Anime-what's the point?

[William Wallace]

I freakin' hate it. So does this guy:



Originally posted by azusa


I Hate Anime
(aka The Rant That Will Have Anime Fans Calling For My Bloody Public Execution)

Right now, I'm sure whoever has enough free time on their hands to read this section is no doubt thinking, "What the hell are you talking about, Azusa? You are an anime fan!" Well, this is true, but I still hate the vast majority of them, much like the fact that I dislike most humans in spite of being one myself. What follows is probably going to be along the lines of a long, maniacal, screechy spree of pent-up bitterness, so if you are the sort of fan who takes great pride in professng yourself to be an otaku, adding honorifics to your name, or proclaiming yourself the Miko of a certain character, you probably shouldn't read this.

Anyway. On to the rant.

I hate anime fans because they are conceited, anal-retentive, silly, thickheaded, ignorant, inane and elitist. It is true that every human being displays these traits at some point in their lives, but most anime fans seem to have gotten an extra helping of them. Most of the time, I find them simply naive, grating, and irritating when they begin to discuss their preferred medium of entertainment.

Hmm, a good example of the sort of thing I'm talking about would be... try going up to the average anime fan and casually referring to sa's favorite show as a "cartoon." Nine times out of ten, you'll get to see the wheels in their head creak a little bit before the veins in their forehead start to twitch and steam starts coming out of their ears moments before they treat you to an extensive, violent rant on how anime is NOT cartoons, you stupid ugly American, it is a high form of art, unlike the half-hour toy commercials produced on this side of the Pacific, and to refer to it as a mere cartoon is to spit upon, pillage and violate all of the elite aesthetic glory that is anime.

[William Wallace]

Really sorry about this double post.





Discounting the fact that the marketing blitz accompanying popular shows in Japan often surpasses what we get in the West (we never saw Sailor Moon sausages over here, did we?), 'anime' is actually-- surprise-- just the Japanese word for 'animation'! Thus, Pokemon, Akira, Legend of the Overfiend, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mickey Mouse, and Fritz the Cat all technically fall under the enormous banner of 'anime'. And last I checked, it was perfectly acceptable to speak of British or European cartoons; there exists no particular provision stipulating that 'cartoon' must refer only to American-produced work. Anime=animation=cartoons. End of story. (On a similar note, it should be noted that "seiyuu" is merely the Japanese word for "voice actor," and calling someone a "seiyuu" does not mean that they are on an artistically higher level than a mere voice actor.)

Somewhat along those same lines, there also seems to exist a rule in the Unwritten Code of Otakudom that denouncing everything Western and championing everything Japanese is an essential part of being an anime fan. Now, I will freely admit that there are many aspects of Japanese culture I do like. I like their tendancy to emphasize effort as more important than innate ability, their social politeness, and the fact that enough people there take video games seriously enough to orchestrate their music (among other things). It is also an irrefutable fact that Pocky kicks ass. However, I know enough of their history and culture (unlike many anime fans, who think they can glean an accurate picture of Japanese society solely from watching subtitled videos) to know that Japanese culture also has its fair share of aspects that aren't admirable. It's still very much a male-dominated society, despite what anime might suggest, and can be downright repressive at times, not to mention there still remains an omnipresent attitude throughout most of Japan that foreigners, no matter how nice and decent, can never truly be accepted as "one of us." And don't get me started on the fact that the Japanese government has never apologized for wartime atrocities committed during WWII... but this isn't a political rant, so what it all comes down to is that you just can't take something as complex as an entire culture and slap it with a quick judgment like that.

The "America bad, Japan good" attitude, though, has ultimately spawned something even more utterly annoying than mere cultural chauvinism, and this is the irritating plague of fans who try to prove their Otaku Eliteness by speaking in weird bastardizations of Japanese and English, attaching honorifics to their names, and transcribing character names according to their original katakana spellings. Now, the first one doesn't always bug me that much unless it reaches a point where English speakers can't actually understand what the hell you're saying. The second one does annoy me, because honorifics are something that depend on your status relative to the person you're speaking to, so giving yourself an honorific makes no sense. The third one makes me want to froth at the mouth and rake my fingernails down the wall before going out to messily destroy adorable woodland creatures.

A word about the Japanese writing system might be useful here. As most anime fans know, the Japanese have a phonetic alphabet-- katakana-- which is used primarily to write words of foreign origin. (The other phonetic alphabet is hiragana, which is used to write Japanese words.) Now, the deal with katakana is that it only contains sounds which occur naturally in the Japanese language-- thus, there is no "l" sound, no "th" sound, and so on. Thus, it is used to write foreign words according to how the Japanese would pronounce them. Katakana words are NOT to be taken as actual spellings when transcribed literally. Many fans, ironically often those who toss off Japanese phrases at the drop of a hat, don't even realize this and think it is Cool or 1337 to romanize character names as they look in katakana. This is just STUPID.

For example, the anime series Slayers, a recent obsession of mine, has a character named "Sylphiel." Since the "si" sound doesn't occur in Japanese, all foreign words containing the "si" sound are written with the letter for "shi." I can't even count how many pages I've seen referring to her as "Shilfiel," "Shilfeel," "Shirufiel," and so on. Likewise, Anthy Himemiya from Revolutionary Girl Utena often has her name butchered into "Anshi" by fans. "Amelia" becomes "Ameria," "Martina" becomes "Maruchina," and... well, anyone who's spent any length of time visiting anime pages has probably seen this. One of the worst examples that I've seen concerns a character in Slayers called "Copy Rezo"-- "Copy" because, well, he is a copy of a character named (surprise) Rezo. However, anime fans PERSISTANTLY and CONTINUOUSLY insist on mangling this into "Kopii Rezo" or "Koppi Rezo." It's an English word. An ENGLISH word!! "Kopii" is just the Japanese pronounciation of the word "copy"! I haven't heard any anime fans claiming that they watch anime on their "terebi" recently. And yet I still see innumerable shrines, fanfics, and self-professed "information" pages referring to "Kopii Rezo."

The ultimate blow to my last shreds of confidence in society, though, was dealt when I saw a page referring to the series whose name is usually rendered into English as "Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon" (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon, Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon, or Bishoujosenshisailormoon, or whatever the hell the Elite Hard-Core Otaku way of writing it is) written as "Bishoujo Senshi Seeraamuun." Is "Seeraa Muun" the way it is written in katakana? Yes. Did Naoko Takeuchi actually intend the name of her manga to be "Seeraa Muun?" I highly doubt it, especially taking into account that katakana is used mainly to write words of foreign origin, and since the words are written in katakana, the most obvious conclusion is that they're intended to be-- GASP-- foreign words! No, misspelling character and show names does not make you elite. It just makes you look like an idiot. Anyhow, if you've ever even seen any officially licensed Japanese SM merchandise, it usually has S-A-I-L-O-R-M-O-O-N written on it in very unmistakable romaji. Then again, I've fairly well given up on expecting anime fans to display anything in the way of rational thought. These are people who engage in flamewars over whether "Sailor Moon" is one word or two, for God's sake.

Now, I've become increasingly aware that there are more than a few other people who share my view on the vast majority of fandom, but quite frankly, from what I've gathered, most of them are afraid to speak out. And who can blame them? If there's one general characteristic of anime fans which irks me more than any other, it's that they take themselves and their entertainment too damn seriously. Sure, Japanese animation seems to put more of an emphasis on telling a serious story with well-developed characters than most of the animation we get in the West, but it's hardly an inviolable constant. I've seen some extremely crappy anime and some really damned good non-Japanese animation.

Not every anime series is an irreproachable masterpiece of cinematography and character. That said, a bad dub is not the end of the world either. Sure, DiC did a hack job on the English version of SM, but to be frank, it's not as if what existed in the first place was classic cinema either. SM is entertaining fluff, with no deeper meaning to it beyond the usual shoujo series "the power of friendship and love" message. If you're one of the sorts of people who expounds at length on webpages and bulletin boards about the "incredible beauty and power" of SM, why the last episode is the greatest masterpiece of cinema since "Citizen Kane", and how Usagi is a metaphor for Jesus, please do the rest of us a favor and garrote yourself with piano wire. (And yes, before you ask, I have seen the Original Real Japanese Version. I don't want to get started on this. I'm not saying that it's a bad show-- only that most fans take it entirely too seriously.)

In sum, I suppose the gist of my advice to anime fans would be:

1. 'Anime' and 'cartoon' mean the same thing.

2. Watching anime does not make you a qualified expert on the Japanese culture.

3. Sailor Moon (Sailormoon, whatever) is not the be-all and end-all of animated entertainment.

4. Stop taking yourselves so damned seriously. Being an anime fan (or a fan of a certain series, or a fan of subs as opposed to dubs) does not make you superior to the average person.

[Sorcha]

Here here! It's just a cartoon. :rolleyes:

Nothing speshal.

[William Wallace]

Originally posted by Azusa


In sum, I suppose the gist of my advice to anime fans would be:

1. 'Anime' and 'cartoon' mean the same thing.

2. Watching anime does not make you a qualified expert on the Japanese culture.

3. Sailor Moon (Sailormoon, whatever) is not the be-all and end-all of animated entertainment.

4. Stop taking yourselves so damned seriously. Being an anime fan (or a fan of a certain series, or a fan of subs as opposed to dubs) does not make you superior to the average person.

Nothing speshal.


Exactly. Why must most people continue to refer to themselves as "otaku" and say a whole load of crap like "kawaii" and act as though Anime is the greatest thing since Guinness when IT'S JUST A FUGGING CARTOON. Jesus H. Christ, I wouldn't care so much if people would stop acting so superiour and all when you say you don't like it. I mean, bloody hell, if it makes you feel any better i'd be pretty pissed if people were that crazy about Mickey Mouse. The p'int is: yer just making yourselves out to be freaks doing this. It's just wrong.

[Garrett]

Who gives a flying monkey's ass what kind of cartoons people are interested in? IMO, this is a dumb topic for debate. Some people might hate Star Wars with a firey passion....that doesn't mean that they should start a "Star Wars hate" thread. This isn't a very good debate.

[William Wallace]

Originally posted by Garrett



Who gives a flying monkey's ass what kind of cartoons people are interested in? IMO, this is a dumb topic for debate. Some people might hate Star Wars with a firey passion....that doesn't mean that they should start a "Star Wars hate" thread. This isn't a very good debate.


I never said its a hate thread. all I'm saying is,

It's just a cartoon.

I posted my opinion, and I really don't give a pieces of projectile diarrhea if you like it. I be's posting my opinion and a topic-starter, and I am suspecting you are an Anime freak. So, stop causing trouble, and


http://www.graphicupstart.com/clients/misc/stfu.jpg

Oh, and if it makes you happy:

http://www.raspberry.nildram.co.uk/gaythread.gif

[Sorcha]

Originally posted by Garrett
Who gives a flying monkey's ass what kind of cartoons people are interested in? IMO, this is a dumb topic for debate. Some people might hate Star Wars with a firey passion....that doesn't mean that they should start a "Star Wars hate" thread. This isn't a very good debate.

On the contrary, it is a good debate. Like you just said yourself, it doesn't matter if people have different opinions or tastes, but it does matter when they take themselves and their beliefs too seriously and abuse, insult or belittle someone because they don't like what you like and uphold theirs to be sacred and holy.

[William Wallace]

w00t.

[William Wallace]

Directed toward garret:

http://www.raspberry.nildram.co.uk/lessflame.jpg

woot.

[Sorcha]

Hehehehehehe... :twisted:

I feel proud, this is like my second day here and I've already shut someone down! W00t! Go me. :rolleyes:

[Mexican Pie]

Meh. If I came here like 5 years ago, I'd be a little bastard on this post. I find that Anime is okay from time to time, but you still can't class it as your main thing. You still got to have reality shows and shit, like Jackass, Fat Pizza (hillarious shit) etc. I was real excited (well, not that much) when Neon Genesis came out. Once I saw all the episodes and both movies, I realised 1 thing...

It was a big anti-climax. Seriously, in the entire world, only 2 people survive at the end! That is pretty DAMN screwed up. Or maybe it was because the fans sent hate mail and death threats to the producer when he made the TV series end- so I guess he wanted to get a bit even. DIE YOU BASTARDS WHO SENT ME HATE MAIL! Change you into urine, or orange juice... or something.

I found that I have been paying more attention to American reality TV shows. And Aussie ones too. Hahaha, Bobo from Fat Pizza is a Chainsaw Pshycopath- he chainsawed the Aussie Poloticts and the guy that hosts Rove. Funny stuff:).

[I'm Jim Too]

Anime is just a medium for telling stories.
Hating anime is like hating books.
Perhaps some people are totally obsessed with it and that can be a little dull - however finding the time to hate those people would be a really negative waste of energy that only a bigoted fascist would indulge in. IMO.

[Death]

i really dont have time 2 read all of williams posts but at a glance they are very confusing... ill add more later. i like 'anime' for the simple reason that i love doodeling and sketching things involving movement and from when i was about 10 and got my hands on my first manga video i thought that no other cartoon had captured action/movement with as much style as most people in the japenese anime industry had done. its hard to put into words but what they do i think is really cool. yes they have the funny translations and for the most part the 'made for kids ones' have really retarded dialogue which is mostly due to the fact that direct translations would have floods of letters coming in from over-protective parents. again ill add more later but for now thats all i have and i got to go.

[PoofBird]

Hey William Wallace,

Surprise, you are not maddox.


this is an utterly stupid debate. Not because of the subject, but because of you.

Debates can have any subject, but you post a rant, written by someone else, double-post a couple of times and claim you posted an opinion...

[The Digital Pie]

Anime is just a medium for telling stories.
I agree, compaired to some shows iv'e seen like mutant x, nightman, big brother(ok the celebrity one was ok cause they where raising money for charity but still).

however i do agree with the other half, that there are anime that are just cartoons for retarted kids.
And in my onist optinon, if your over 20 and get pissed at people who mock shows like pokemon and Sailormoon, i say to you......
you are a sad little wanker, and we all know what happens when you are a wanker.

[Destrukto]

What I don't get is that WW starts a "debate", using someone elses material, and then at the first "against" position he goes of and posts pics that are just "ner, shut the fuck up"

WW, you really need to read a dictionary and look up the word debate... :rolleyes:

For the rest of you...carry on :)

[skoo]

http://www.skoo.nildram.co.uk/stuff/willybum.gif

[manny]

sorry i think this thread is my fault cos i told him to stop trolling a comics thread in pap.

[engaging proper grammar mode]

What a well constructed argument you pose, WW. You just googled and pasted "loL i hate anime" I presume? Does no one put any effort into threads anymore?

Seeing as the majority of your threads are utter retarded trash, I shouldn't really be surprised. But I will play along anyway.

I like some anime. Woah, that feels like a dirty admittance doesn't it? I don't like all of it, hell I don't like most of it if I'm honest, but I'm a fan of a couple of series, enough to buy imported DVDs anyway.

From the viewpoint of someone thats dabbled in animation, I can see it from an artistic point of view. The big-budget motion pictures are astoundindly beautiful. Every frame is a hand-crafted masterpiece. I love beautiful things, and I am deeply envious of the skill involved to create such things.

Seeing as your idea of anime is probably the badly drawn grunt-fest that is Dragonball Z, you wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Perhaps you should open your eyes and explore the creativity of world a bit more instead of hiding from it all for fear of change.

Another thing I like is that it takes animation (lol cartoons!) as a serious story-telling medium. In the west, up until the simpsons I guess, drawn animation was something to keep the kids occupied. I know I sure miss the good ol' 80s cartoons that had proper storylines. Anime kinda takes the place of that for me. It's cartoons for adults \o/ . It's like a cartoon, but it deals with serious adult issues, par example: life, death, sexuality, morals etc. Charactors can be dirty and gritty - drinking, smoking, gambling, killing. It's all good fun.

My favourate series has to be Cowboy Bebop. Most of my friends in america arent anime people, and they've either seen it, or at least heard of it. It's one of the first serious animes to cross the gap to western culture. Everyone I've shown it to has loved it. The style is very westernised anyway, which I think helps.

Of course the cross-over works both ways. For every Cowboy Bebop we get, along comes another Beyblade. I can see how people would become disillusioned from just seeing the bad kiddy stuff.

I said theres plenty of anime I would rather not watch. All the Pokemon-esque things such as Beyblade and I think someone mentioned Yu-gi-oh (spl)? But I don't HATE someone just for liking them. People are entitled to like what they want. Sure I feel a bit sad for them, when theres bigger and better things about, but it's up to them.

I can't respect your opinion though, because you just blindly thrash about, pasting chunks of crap that I bet you haven't even read. I would even agree with you on some points of you had tried to make a decent argument out of it, but thats a bit beyond your skills I guess.

There are aspects I don't enjoy about anime. Hentai is a bit of a nasty area, especially as from what I've seen, some of it draws damn near paedophillic.

Also the series built around fan service (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanservice) are a bit too much for me. Look up a series called Love Hina (http://www.csusm.edu/anime/galleries/LoveHina/index.htm) and you'll see what I mean. Panties!

The whole "otaku" thing can be a bit nauseating too, altho the cosplay conventions are a great source of hilarity for me. Sure, a slice of my enjoyment is because its from a culture that is foreign to me. But it's not because I want to become that culture. I dont go around mixing japanese words with my everyday speach. (KAWAII!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^)

As someone mentioned earlier, Evangelion is SUPERB for the first 8-10 episodes. It has giant robots, and whats not to like about giant robots? But then it goes seriously wacky and kinda dented my whole enjoyment of the series.

So generally, I only like a tiny fraction of anime (I can name the series I like on the fingers of 1 hand). But I keep my eyes open for new things, instead of ignoring a whole genre that could bring you at least some enjoyment. Because that's what it's all about, enjoyment. I enjoy watching cartoons, just as you enjoy being a twat and posting x-wing threads. Maybe if you stopped being so angry about stuff you seemingly don't understand, you could enjoy more things in life too.

And finally to the person who said "its just a cartoon?!"

Thanks for posting the most ironic statement ever on a forum thats about guess what?

Woo, my first essay in a while.

[PoofBird]

's not your fault by far, manny,

the guy should have taken the hint and start to make sense.

[Garrett]

Originally posted by SazZa
Hehehehehehe... :twisted:

I feel proud, this is like my second day here and I've already shut someone down! W00t! Go me. :rolleyes:

Dumbass.

And, no, William Wallace, I am not an anime freak. And if I were, I wouldn't be any worse than the star wars freak...or any other human being for that matter.

And, I also gave my opinion...this thread sucks.

[SemiCircle]

i understand the sentiment, but i think you took maddox a little too far. (it is maddox, isn't it?) the sole reason i don't like it more is that my little sister is one of those "ram it down your throat" types, and she's obsessed with it all. i, being who i am, don't like it because she does.

people being wrong about spelling, etc is annoying, but that's just becaise they're idiots. you can't blame people for being idiots. some people just are. nothing you can do about it.

manny, by the way, is absolutely right. it is an artistic medium. anime can vary as much as any other medium. it's like saying you hate beethoven because you don't like vivaldi.

woo for skoo and his sarcastic pic!

and woo for non-sequiturs (again)!

[Piedude]

Anime is all advertising japanese products

[Garrett]

"William Wallace-What's the Point?"......hmmm....

[Piedude]

y thank you

[SemiCircle]

nooo, anime is not ALL advertising products. some is, yes, but only shitty kids cartoons. most is artsy and complex.

[manny]

Originally posted by Piedude
Anime is all advertising japanese products

there someone goes with the over-generalisation again :(

admittedly kids stuff like pokemon/beyblade etc is there to sell toys.

cowboy bebop like i said earlier, has a western theme to it (partly a reason for its success in japan, theyre apparantly nuts about looking at foreign cultures). it isnt there to see toys, in fact finding any nice action figures to stand on my monitor is proving quite a feat.


in the hope some people might open their eyes:
http://www.jazzmess.com/down/mooch/cbtrailer.asf

theres also all the Hayao Miyazaki stuff which is very popular, Spirited Away (http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/spirited_away.html) which doesnt grab me personally, but I know some people are fanatical about it.

i'm beginning to see posting any more in this thread is pointless when the average mental age is about 12 :(

go pikachu!! :nana:

[Garrett]

Originally posted by manny

i'm beginning to see posting any more in this thread is pointless when the average mental age is about 12 :(


Sounds like that's the sum of things in this thread.

[eidderf]

all anime is is japanese cartoons weather drawn down or animated

[manny]

thank you for completly missing the whole debate and driving in headfirst with the most retardedly obvious statement ever.

[Garrett]

Originally posted by eidderf
all anime is is japanese cartoons weather drawn down or animated

Thanks for pointing that out for us.:rolleyes:

[eidderf]

Don't you understand nanny ,with the retarded name, anime is for entertainment thats all .No point to it but there isn't a point in a lot of things :D

[manny]

ive not noticed a lot of point in any of your posts so far.

please see to this.

Anyway, I wasn't arguing if it had a point it not. It certainly has a point, because it brings people entertainment and enjoyment from watching it.

And if enjoying yourself is pointless, then theres no point in living really.

[eidderf]

i havent got anything against you garret so leave it ok
nanny i doesnt take a wise man to work out my point and hey whats wrong with you

[manny]

The problem my dear friend, is that you are mentally deficient.

Your brain does not work like any normal persons. It's almost verging on mental disability, something I've been unfortunate enough to know something about.

you can't even work out my name starts with a "M" ?

then you probably also cant work out it says "A D M I N I S T R A T O R" underneith.

I don't like banning people just because theyre a bit young or slow in the head, but I will if you continue to be abusive.

[eidderf]

sorry for getting stressed i deleted what this said
k
=)

[Garrett]

Originally posted by eidderf
and you don't seem to have worked out that i knew your name was manny.And if you cant work out why i was calling you nanny you must a have a D I S A B I L I T Y can you say that long word or is it to hard for you what about I T is that to long

Thread hijacker, that might've been your last post on this board.

[skoo]

You can't read this but I've banned you.

[moog]

this calls for some hot macro action

[Garrett]

Originally posted by the colonel
this calls for some hot macro action

Best macro posted in this topic so far. :nana:

[Sloth]

oh dear... look what i have missed... and all happening right after asking manny about a possiblity for support of an anime forum...

i like anime... and i watch enuff to be called an anime fan... but really... i like anything that will spark my imagination... no matter how simple it is...

Otaku... means "fanatic"... just like sombrerro(sp?) means "hat"

"kawaii"... atleast is a real word... not some idiot's made up word... like say..."woot"...

i can understand why an anime fan could annoy you, but i don't understand why this is ground for hating anime...

It could be worse... We could only have Hana-Barbera cartoons... and i'm not talking about yogi bear or the flintstones... i'm talking about the old super hero cartoons... like what the Adult Swim cartoons are base off of...(space ghost, brak, harvey birdman, sealad 2021)... if you don't not get adult swim which is a cartoon block on Cartoon Network... demand it...

so really about this umm... debate... i don't really have a point but... you either like it or you don't.... and if an annoying fan won't get out of your face about it... then i suggest you punch'em in the face... and quit bitchin' about it...

suggestions... if you like...
Cowboy Bebop (given)
His or Her Circumstances
Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu (no western release yet)
Abinobashi Mahou Shoutengai (no western release yet, but licensed)
Otaku No Video (old documentary Gainax did, must watch if you want to make fun of fanatics!)

Edit: i can't believe i forgot FLCL....

[Mexican Pie]

sleep.

[eidderf]

hey
im not banned any more
just thought i'd tell people sorry it is nothing to do with the thread
bye

[Vivi]

At least be respectfull. GD. I mean, do I go blabbibg jsut because you hate football or something, no. Anime is some of the greatest inspirational stuff out there. Seriously. But then again, you CANT JUDGE BY WHAT THEY PUT ON TV. THEY PUT BARNEY AND TELLETUBIES ON TV, but there's better shows out there. Anime unlike most put on tv, such as sailor moon, and ronin warriors, has to be sought out. I promise you that if you go and watch ONE episode of Excel Saga, email me and tell me you hated it, by god i would swear that i would PAY you. For example, if you want to research, go to www.xionstation.com You'll find a pretty good forum of archiving anime. And don't even go near to dissing anime again without at least showing respect. Also...

someone said a cartoon and anime mean the same thing. They don't. Anime, means animated design. It is said anime, because that's the Japanese translation for animation, yet its more geared towards seriouse matters which tell epic tales, life chaging stories, and heroics of all kinds. Not cartoon. Cartoon is a made up word to describe pictures in animation.

[William Wallace]

I don't mind GOOD anime like Big O and suchlike, but sailor moon!?

AAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

[Sloth]

actually i wouldn't recommend someone new to anime to watch excel saga... to many jokes would go over their head...

[Vivi]

To any who would know!!! Does anyone know where I can get the Excel Saga movie Puni Puni Poemi?

[eidderf]

i liked the animatrix has anyone seen that
but isnt the point of anime
to enjoy it or hate it

edit sorry it didnt make much sense manny

[William Wallace]

There, you see! The high-and-mighty attiude of thse who watch it. Jebus.

[William Wallace]

Exatly. But you have to admit, the animation is bad at best, and is always jerky and rough, not smooth.

[HempMonkeyJwk]

i wouldnt classify Anime as a 'cartoon' because the western idea of what a 'cartoon' is makes images of Tom and Jerry or Marvel Comics spring to mind.

Id Classify Anime as a 'show or series usually 26 episodes long that uses drawn images in a certain style and is related to , normally, gaint robots'

its almost always aimed for older people. Esp that Henti crap thats just utterly pointless. Different cultures, different pasts, different techniques.

and gaint robots can be cool. Although the sterotypical 'high pitched screaming anime girl' is just REALLY starting to piss me off

EDIT: and cowboy bebop is a CLASSIC series. The music is fantastic IMO. I bought all the CD's and throughly enjoyed it.

[manny]

Originally posted by William Wallace
Exatly. But you have to admit, the animation is bad at best, and is always jerky and rough, not smooth.

Some is (low budget kids stuff, pushing a toy franchise).

A lot of it isnt (proper movies aimed at the more mature mind. oh shi ).

You can't comment on it if you havent watched it.

You did watch those trailers I posted didnt you?

[manny]

Originally posted by eidderf
i liked the animatrix has anyone seen that
but isnt the point of anime
to enjoy it or hate it
theres not really a point it doesnt mean anything

:confused:

[William Wallace]

Yup... Maybe it's just my computer.

[Vivi]

Empty pie dish

Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Cambridge
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i wouldnt classify Anime as a 'cartoon' because the western idea of what a 'cartoon' is makes images of Tom and Jerry or Marvel Comics spring to mind.

Id Classify Anime as a 'show or series usually 26 episodes long that uses drawn images in a certain style and is related to , normally, gaint robots'

its almost always aimed for older people. Esp that Henti crap thats just utterly pointless. Different cultures, different pasts, different techniques.

and gaint robots can be cool. Although the sterotypical 'high pitched screaming anime girl' is just REALLY starting to piss me off

EDIT: and cowboy bebop is a CLASSIC series. The music is fantastic IMO. I bought all the CD's and throughly enjoyed it.


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first of all, it doesnt have to be about robots. Anime is not for everyone most definetely. But also, They're not classified as 26 episodes long. One of the most popular series is Dragon Ball Z. Most of the displays of them are aimed towards children, a.k.a, the toys and video games. It has a REALLY deep understory that you wouldn't get just by watching the show even 20 times. The series itself ran up to 300 episodes! That's not counting Dragonball, and Dragon Ball GT. Also, you can't forget the mighty Inuyasha. There's an anime type for everyones taste like it or not. Say, Sailor Moon, its more aimed towards Power Rangers but cute to the female audience. Dragon Ball, its aimed towards the Mortal Combat/Street Fighter type fans. Inuyasha, it aims towards fighting, but also towards to more adventurous and mythical quests type audience. Gundam Wing, of coarse it aims towards the childhood lovers of such as transformers, and the beast wars fans, while springing up the more modern day, and much cooler technology. Then Tenchi Muyo, the pimp of guys who's afraid of girls. He could be a player without trying. He lives inside of a house with a bunch of hot chicks and flat chested youngsters that are in love with him, sort of likje a soap opera for 4n1m3 lvrs. It depends on your taste really, but dont base anime's on ANYTHING!

[Mexican Pie]

You didn't mention Neon Genesis. It is pretty good, but you have to watch it some times if you don't understand the story. The movie is quite confusing too, if you don't listen to it carefully.

I think it's not really about giant robots and angels kicking the crap out of each other, I think it has more to do with Human emotions and such. Still, the action scenes are pretty good, especially when Unit 2 fights the U.N. army, then the Mass Production Eva's. Nice. Then Asuka gets the shit kicked out of her...

and her skin torn off...
and her skull cracked open...
and stabbed with heaps of sharp, point lances...
and gets her arm split in half...

Damn, that is nasty stuff.

[goody 2 shoos]

anime... hmmm.. pondering:o

[The Digital Pie]

Mex you forgot to mention ripped apart and then eaten.
...... is anyone ealse getting hungry?

[GauntletBob]

i love anime, it is my life, my best friends life, and the lives of many others. can we just give it a rest? why dont we debate about something like... um... ok never mind. keep on debating.

[Beef Magic]

Anime's fucking great. So you can fuck off. It's a debates Forum. So your post of the "How about a nice big cup of shut the fuck up?" (which, by the way, is too big. Like your cunt) was something uncalled for, because people are *SHOCK FUCKING HORROR* HAVING AN OPINION.

And it's something i used to do, and look where that got me.

Your points of the animation being jerky and dodgy - Stop watching Pokemon. Watch something like Blood: The Last Vampire, which is a perfect example of a quaility amine, ablet with some CGI moments. But besides that, it doesn't make much difference. It's different from the Computer Programmer's wet dream of Finding Nemo or Toy Story, as most of it is hand drawn. I'd like to see you do something like that. And having rough animation just adds to the rawness and grittyness that anime's have, not like the aformentioned wankfest movies for geeky little boys.

The subject matter is useally a lot more adult than Western animation. Agreed, Sex with tentecles features in a somewhat not small amount. BUT IT'S NOT THERE ALL THE TIME. Honest. Like Bubblegum Crisis. And the short but sweet Blood... But anyway, some do feature some fun, good quality mindless sex and violence. Because the Japanese, being fairly intellengent, are not offened as much as we are.

Anf rough looking films almost ALWAYS are the ones to feature something that's bound to provoke something in someone... ie - You.

Complain about the shit quailty of Hollywood Teen Slasher flicks and hail Evil Dead as the Bible and maybe i'll start listening to you.

[Mexican Pie]

This is starting to heat up abit. But it's a debates forum. I know that your title of "Anime- what's the point?" is kind of like saying what is the point of McDonalds over in Japan. You have to really know both sides of the wall before you start.

Most people here are on one side of the wall or the other. That's okay, unless they have completely different thing to say about the subject. For example:

ANIME IS THE ROXORZ!!! I LUV IT LOTSA!!!!!

And then theres this:

ANIME IS THE SUXXORS! U R ALL PUBERTY STRIFFEN BOYZ!

I'm not saying that these are the direct moods of the people who post here, just using them as examples.

Anyways, lets continue the subject.

[Beef Magic]

I may have used the term "Wankfest for Geeky little boys" but I did put some points down as well. And I'm doing Film Studies. So I can. Just.

[Rhaeven]

Anime is teh r0x0r.

I like it. Some of it is very mature, some of it is not. Some of it is funny, some of it is not. Some of it is gory, some of it is not.

I don't get why everyone denounces hentai as pointless. Different people like different kinds of pornography. If someone has a foot fetish, they watch foot porn. If someone enjoys watching cartoon sex, they watch hentai. -shrug-

Anime is drawn well, and the storylines are interesting and pretty cool. Yes, I even liked Pokémon when it came out, probably becuase I was only 12 or so, but still. I played the computer game before most over here in the UK did, so the cartoon actually interested me.

Akira. W00. Akira is great. Just watch it, go on. And Ninja Scroll. I luuuuuuuurve NINJA SCROLL. The scene where the golem demon kills the ninja group with his groovy throwing weapon is great.

It just interests some people, and doesn't interest others. Big deal.

[Sloth]

Originally posted by Vivi
To any who would know!!! Does anyone know where I can get the Excel Saga movie Puni Puni Poemi? Puni Puni Poemi has been licensed by ADV but has not been released yet...

fyi

[The Digital Pie]

I was told that Puni Puni Poemi was a hentai, or is that the other excel movie/ova?

[sjaak]

I just love the huuuuuge eyes and the green hair :D

[Sloth]

Originally posted by The Digital Pie
I was told that Puni Puni Poemi was a hentai, or is that the other excel movie/ova? ecchi... although they both mean pervert... (although i think its something like, you can be a hentai (pervert) and hentai looks at ecchi (perverted material)... i dunno never looked it up)

its easy to be a pervert... you don't need porn to be a pervert... you just need unclean thoughts...

Puni Puni Poemi is perverted humor... but not porn... atleast no more perverted than Excel Saga ep. 26...

[Mr_Moo]

Id describe ecchi as "softcore porn" (T&A/Fan service and the likes) Hentai on the other hand can cover all sorts of stuff (Bondage/bdsm/tentacles/rape or just plain ol Sex)
mmm If im wrong, feel free to correct me.

Personally, I like Anime (cowboy bebop, Akira, Tenchi Muyo(Cant help my self heh)) If you dont like it..then....Dont watch it, i guess (assuming youve seen more than Dbz/Pokemon/Sailor moon)
Ive heard to many people say they >hate< all Anime and upon asking what theyve watched, they spout out the afore mentioned shows. imagine that

[Sloth]

actually i will...
hentai and ecchi mean the same thing... as i describe above... i'm just not sure about the grammar...

but, your right, the western anime fan normally refer to ecchi as fan services 'T&A'... and hentai as porn...

a good example would be Mahoromatic by Gainax...

but softcore porn is porn without the naughty bits... T&A would not be included... nudity is not porn...

[goody 2 shoos]

dont hate it, dont like it, u know?
but i voted i hated it cuz im in a bored mood today!
and my b-day is only 4 days away!

[Babeinboots]

Just anime porn for me.

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by Babeinboots
Just anime porn for me.

this thread was dead for months!

stop posting crap