The Stock Market Thread

[jonffm]

The Stock Market Currently seeking thread owners


This is the stock market for the betting forums.
It is a new idea, originally thought up by gxfu, so credit to him for the idea.

Now I will explain how the stock market works. This will be split into two areas for the thread owners and the customers.

The Thread Owners

1. Why Sell Shares? Well, by selling shares in your thread, you will insure a steady income through the sales of your stocks. Of course this means you lose a little controll over your thread. By selling a percentage of your thread, you are selling a percentage of your profits, meaning while you gain extra income from share sales. you lose income from your thread.

2. What exactly Am I Selling? You are selling only a percentage of your threads profit. You are by no means selling a percentage of your own rupies that you gain from outside of the specified thread.

3. What Happens If My Thread Dies? If your thread dies, or becomes inactive, the share prices will plummet. This means that you will no longer recieve such a steady amount of income from the stock exchange, and those who have already bought shares in your thread lose nearly all of the value of their stocks.

4. What Am I Liable For? Nothing. By buying shares in your thread, the customer is ultimatly taking a gamble that your threads income will rise. You are not liable for plummets or peaks in your shares price or value. So relax.


The Customers

1. Why Buy A Share? By buying a share, you are effectivly buying a percentage of that threads income. Most new threads will start out quite cheap to buy into, and existing threads may be extreamly expencive to buy into. As time goes by, the value of your share will rise and fall. This may be due to intrest shown in the thread, income of the thread ect.

2. What If I Want To Sell? If you want to sell a share, you do so in this thread. Say you bought a share for 50 rupies. A week later, the same share is being sold by the thread owner for 200 rupies. You now have a share that you bought for 50 rupies that is now worth 200! Nows the tricky part. You decide to sell he share. To sell a share, you must come to this thread or PM me with the amount you with to sell it for. So say you have a share worth 200, you might want to sell it for 150 to get rid of it quickly, or if the demand is high, you might want to sell it for 250 rupies and so on. The trick of the stock market is knowing when to hold an investment, and when to get out.

3. Who Buys My Shares? Other forum members and the thread owners. You may end up selling the share on to another forum member. That forum member then gains the percentage of the profits from that thread that you owned.Confussing? Well. Say you had a share worth 50 rupies that was worth 5% of the threads income. You then sell it to someone else for 50 rupies. You then lose the 5% you previously owned in the that thread, and the buyer gains the 5%. Another possibility is that the thread owner might want to buy the share back from you. This may be becuase he/she isn't gaining enough income, and wishes to own some of the percentage of the profits that you own. This is easily done and the thread owner then owns more of his own thread than previously.


4. How Many Shares Can I buy? As many as you want, but you should consider the following first. The owner of the thread chooses the percentage of his/her thread they wish to sell as shares. So PoofBird may choose to make 50% of his thread available to be bought. With this in mind, shares are now sold. Now, say 100 shares are sold in Poofbirds lotto. This will mean that the 100 shares are worth a total of 50% of poofbirds profit. If you own 10, then you own 5% of poofbirds profit, and so on.


How the shares work

Bought a share? Wandering 'what now?'. Well. Over time, the share you just bought will increase and decrease in value. Every time someone buys a share in the same thread, the price and value of the shares rises by 5%. Also, should the thread start to increase its weekly income, the share prices will rise. However, bad publicity for the thread (spamming, plugging ect) may cause your share to drop, and inactivity and/or deletion of the thread could compleatly void all your shares. But then, thats all the fun of the stock market.


The Market


This is the actuall stock matrket. Threads values are shown, along with some other information you may consider when purchasing a share.

PIPS= Percentage Income Per Share

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==Angry Pauls Betting Shop== ### Percentage of Income in shares= 40% ### Price Per Share= 48 rupies ### PIPS= 2%

Share Owners
Barret-1 (3%)
Mr Stabby-10 (37%)
Empty Pie Dish-8 ()
StupidCatOfDoom-1 ()

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==Jonnys Board Game== ### Percentage of Income in shares= 50% ### Price Per Share= 20 rupies ### PIPS= 5%

Share Owners
Anown-2 (10%)
Plastic Vicar-2 (10%)
Sheep go moo- 3 (15%)
I-am-the-eggman- 2 (10%)
__________________________________________

==Piemanmoss Horse Racing== ### Percentage of Income in shares= 50% ### Price Per Share= 25 rupies ### PIPS= 5%

Share Owners
None

__________________________________________



Stock Sales

-There are currently No Stocks being sold by other shareholders-


Thread owners, if you want to be a part of this, just post and tell me the percentage of your thread income you want to sell as shares.

[gxfu]

Thanks for giving my idea a gamble, JohnnyFFmaster. Again, people, it may not work.

[jonffm]

Remember though, this is just a basis for the stock market for people to have a look at and decide if it will work.

Also, views on how I'v set it up would be great. Obviously views on how it can be improved are even better. Especially around how non-profit threads could be brought into it.

[i-am-the-eggman]

erm....i think i getcha, this seems like a fun idea, and i think it may just be able to pull off. One question though: whats to stop people trying to boost interest on their own threads by replying to their own threads for no reason(hence bumping it back up the list) or by subtly linking to it in other threads? will there be any sanctions for people who are blatantly just spamming their own thread to boost interest ?

[jonffm]

As myself and whoever else wants to be invoved will be ultimatly dictating the price for each share, share prices will go down if those events occur. This is because if a thread is needing to be spammed just to keep up, then it is obviously not active enough to support a decent income. Thus share prices plummet.

[PoofBird]

well done

you may mention my stock market here, but for now, i am running my own experiment.

they may merge eventually, or you can fit my system in to yours... we´ll see


i´m a he, btw

[jonffm]

I called you she again didn't I? *smacks head* I do know your a guy, but I keep calling you 'she'. Like I know anown's a guy but i keep calling him 'she'. God knows why..

Your stocks only an example. If the general feedbacks as good as it is today in say..a day or two, I'll open it up and ask for thread owners to sell their stocks here.

[i-am-the-eggman]

ah fair enough, just wanted to make sure no suspicious goings on could occur, well done to you and gfxu for coming up with it

[jonffm]

yes. Lets not forget this wouldn't have been thought of if it wasn't for gxfu and everyone from the other two threads showing intrest.

Lets hope that thread owners will show intrest too. *starts throwing paper-balls at angrypaul and streety to get their attention*

[jonffm]

Hmm..

I think this will only work decently well if a couple more lottos or compos start, because there are very little threads with steadt incomes barring streetys and angrypauls betting shops.

Another way it could be done is if it where funded properlly. The members could start by buying their own company for a set amount of rupies. Other members could then buy stocks in their company and depending on the owners income and expenditure of rupies, the price of their stock would rise and fall. That would prob work if it was done well, and it would need severe mod funding.

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by JonnyFFmaster
*starts throwing paper-balls at angrypaul to get attention* Bugger off - I was alseep :p

I'm I will most likely be putting up shares for my Betting Shop, but its not in this forum, will that matter to your idea? Also I still dont understand how we share the profits coming into the thread, if we, the thread owner, wont actually be paying-out rupies

:confused:


Had another look and it becmome clearer

eg - Betting Shop makes £100 in one week, if i sold 50% of the thread i would have to allow £50 of that to go to shareholders

Am I right? Would I have to personally donate to shareholders or to you to pay-out?

[PoofBird]

check my roulette stock market for ideas

[jonffm]

I dont quite get ya :confused:

Ok. Say people pay you 1000 rupies in bets. Only one person wins and gets 500, so you make 500 profit. That 500 rupies is then divided between yourself and your share-holders depending on the amount of shares. So if shareholders own 50% of your profits, you pay out 250 rupies between all of the shareholders (obviously people with more shares get more rupies). Its pretty much the point brought up in 'Thread owners', point 2..

"2. What exactly Am I Selling? You are selling only a percentage of your threads profit. You are by no means selling a percentage of your own rupies that you gain from outside of the specified thread.

The point of the stock market thread is it makes it easier. Instead of you having to work out how much money goes to each shareholder, you would just send me (using the example above again) 250 rupies and I would look through notes and see who owns what, and send the rupies accordingly. Obviously you dont have to sell them in this thread, but if you want, your thread can be put up where poofbirds is and people can then buy them THROUGH me, so I would send you the rupies.


Does that answer your question because I wasn't quite sure what you ment...tis early and i'm tired. =_=

edit: Say your edit, And I think I covered what your asking.

[jonffm]

Ok, I'm gunna try opening this. All thread owners within the betting area (and angrypauls on in bestest), if you wish to sell stocks here, you must fill out the following form and post it or PM me with it.

Name: Your threads name

Percentage of Profit in shares: How much of your profit you wish to make available for shares. Average is around 50%

Average weekly income: Take an average week of betting and work out how much income you gained. This will be a factor in how much your shares are worth.

Thanks.

[AngryPaul]

Name: AngryPaul's Betting Shop

Percentage of Profit in shares: 40%

Average weekly income: £300/£350 (last pay-out £172)

[jonffm]

Great. Thanks for giving it a go paul. I'll stick your info up and calculate your stocks value.

[PoofBird]

my roulette stocks will eventually go here, if this place runs well.

for now, it´s to much fun to do mine myself :)

Name: Roulette(TM) Stock Market

Percentage of Profits in Shares: 90% to 100%

Average weekly income: well over a thousand, often more

i think as AngryPauls stocks have a lower income and a lower PoPiS, the starting price for a share should be lower too.

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by PoofBird
Average weekly income: well over a thousand, often moreSuddenly feeling very poor and unsuccessful :(

[jonffm]

Originally posted by PoofBird
my roulette stocks will eventually go here, if this place runs well.

for now, it´s to much fun to do mine myself :)

Name: Roulette(TM) Stock Market

Percentage of Profits in Shares: 90% to 100%

Average weekly income: well over a thousand, often more

i think as AngryPauls stocks have a lower income and a lower PoPiS, the starting price for a share should be lower too.

oh, Poofbird does this mean you want to sell them here as well? Or are you just showing off :D

edit: A side note- Stock prices are available to be changed if you think yours is wrong. If you think your shares should be sold at a higher price, by all means say so and i'm sure something can be worked out.

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by PoofBird
my roulette stocks will eventually go here, if this place runs well.

for now, it´s to much fun to do mine myself :)


so yes, showing off :P

i think my prices are alright now, but i think AngryPaul´s should be lower, as there is less profit.
If they were just as high, people wouldn´t buy them, because they´d get better results with me :P

[jonffm]

Angrypauls are currently going for 24 rupies because of the sheer difference in income and percentage of income to stocks. However as soon as 8 are sold, the 5% PoIPS will obviously fall while the actuall price will be on the rise. (5% of the value is added every time one is bought.)

I added an extra section in the first post explaining it too.

[Barret]

Can I hav a share in angrypauls betting shop?

Sent the 24 rupies

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by Barret
Can I hav a share in angrypauls betting shop?

Sent the 24 rupies Do I not get sent them?

[jonffm]

Got them and done barret.

Paul, they just pass through me, to save you and the other thread owners time. I'll send them on now.

[AngryPaul]

Ta

I wasnt demanding them, just didnt know if I was supposed to have them or not :confused:

What % of my profit does a share calculate to?

*Woo! I sold a share! :D*

[jonffm]

At the moment, 5%.

The will go down when there are 8 shares, because that will mean that 8 5% shares are held, which equals 40% (the maximum percentage paul set). So after 16 are sold, the shares will be 2.5% of your profits.

EDIT: Hopefully this'll get the ball rolling as many more shares will have to be sold for the idea to work.

Update

Angry Pauls Betting Shop shares have raised by 5%. Rounded to the nearest whole, shares now cost 25 rupies.

[Mr stabby]

Ill have 10 shares on AP's betting shop.
And 6 on The roulette thread.
That is why i am poorer.
I would put my blackjack up, but i wont make any money

[AngryPaul]

Thats £250

I think that the price now rises by 3 as it was a sale over 10

So the new price is £28 per share (each share = 2.5% of Betting Shops profit)

Shareholders are:
Barret: 2.5%
Mr Stabby: 25%

[Cap'n Zola]

4 shares in teh AngerPolly, pelease!

ermm...4 shares on AngryPaul's Betting Shop :) £100, yah?


EDIT/ new price?

[jonffm]

EDITING. DIDNT SEE THE POST BEFORE

[jonffm]

Stabby, as angry paul said, thats £250.

Each share that was bought raises the valueof the share by 5%, and with 10 bought in one go, it raises it 50%. Meaning that now the shares are worth 35 rupies.

The roulette thread shares can only be bought at the thread made by poofbird, because hes doing his own experiment for now, but later on there might be a merger.

Zola, 4 shares costs 140 rupies now, if you still want em.

Also. Shares in pauls thread are now worth 3.6% of his profit due to the amount sold. This will lower if zola also buys some.

[jonffm]

Sorry for double post but..

Notice

Just to let everyone know, all trades MUST pass through myself or any of the stock market staff (none yet :( ) This is because when I recieve a trade, I screenshot, save the image and send the rupies on so that everything can be proved to have taken place should a mishap occur. Trades that do not pass through the Stock Market are not legit and will mean that the shares will not be worth anything.

edit: Paul, I already know that stabby sent you the 250 direct so its ok.

[Cap'n Zola]

I didn't read that it had to be passed through you. I sent £112 to AngryPaul. :(

[jonffm]

Ok, Its fine because it happened before I put that update up. It's more for the people I don't know at all. Its fine though, I'll just jot down that you bought shares and ajust the share %

[jonffm]

Update

New stock added to the first post. Jonnys Board Game. Shares starting at 15 rupies each.

[gxfu]

JohnnyFFmaster, are you sure you can handle all this? i don't want the pressure of my idea to go all on your shoulders...

[jonffm]

I'v discussed this in a few PM's, and heres whats going to happen.

Becuase one or two people have offered to help, once there is one more stock being sold (besides my own) I will be looking for staff. Each staaf member will be assigned a thread and they will be responcible for sorting out distribution of rupies andgiving me info on the stock to change the top post.

So if anyones intrested, please post or PM me again.

[gxfu]

I'll help. But only if I'm online, because I can't be online all the time... i'm only 13....

[jonffm]

Thats ok, as long as your online a little, just enough for a quick update most days.

I won't need help for a little. I'll post when some more threads join in and it becomes too hard to manage.

[i-am-the-eggman]

can i have 2 shares for your board game please johnny?

*sending rupies*

[jonffm]

Important

To reduce the constant flow of rupies, I think it would be the best idea to send rupies twice a week. Once on thursdays, once on sundays. So thread owners would recieve bigger amounts in lumps sums rather than smallers donations clogging up their PM inboxes, while customers wouldn't constantly be recieving donations for small amounts of profit from their shares.

Everyone think this is a good idea?

EDI: Sure you can. That means you own 10% of whatever profit it makes at the moment.

[jonffm]

Update

Due to Angry Pauls Betting Shop losing money this week, the share price and value has dropped by 2 rupies.

[Mr stabby]

as i said earlier, ill help.

If my threads could possibly make money without everyone thinking i was scamming them,id sell shares.
Once i play as banker in my blackjack thread i will sell shares.

[jonffm]

Ok, sure. I dunno why people think your scamming them though...very paranoid people I say.

[sheep go moo]

if the prices on the first post are correct then i will buy 3 shares in jonnys board game
51 rupies right?

[PlasticVicar]

ill buy 2 shares on board game... how much will that be?

[sheep go moo]

hey jonny i own 15% of your board game right?

[jonffm]

Yah, thats right.

And plastic vicar, two shares is 40 rupies.

[PlasticVicar]

payed

[jonffm]

Ok, two shares means you own 10% since very little shares have been sold. If I make a profit, you'll get 1/10 of it.

[PlasticVicar]

any chance of you putting a list of who owns how many shares on the first post??... like in the Roulette stock market.

[jonffm]

Sure. a little later I will

[SWE]

I'll also buy two shares in board game. 40 right? sending now.

[jonffm]

Yup, 40.

Check the first post, I'm updating it now with share owners and their share amounts.

[gxfu]

As I said, I will take over Jonny until he comes back from the smelly confines of the cheese and crap. (hope he maintains sanity there.) He pm'ed me, donated 2100 rupies for business, and gave me the thumbs up.

All rupies will be donated to me. I will give jonny the profits when he comes back. Hope he does.

[sheep go moo]

how come jonny is leaving

[jonffm]

Nevermind, as I said in the board game thread, you might as well forget the last post or two because its irrelivant now.

[gxfu]

He's back! As I said before.

Welcome back... you smell of cheddar

[Mooselord]

i would like to purchase of share of jonnys thread. one. just one.

[jonffm]

Sure, thats 20 rupies please.

[Mooselord]

pming now :)

[sheep go moo]

i want to sell my three shares of the board game

[jonffm]

Ok...I'll send you your 60 rupies.

[sheep go moo]

thanks

[piemanmoo]

I'd like to start selling shares in Horseracing.

[Empty Pie Dish]

I'd like to buy 7 shares on angry paul's betting shop please..
that should be 231 rupies

i buy them here right?

[sheep go moo]

please can you set up the selling of the horserace thread on the first post
thansk

[jonffm]

Sorry, Yesterday I couldn't get on the forums for most of the day, then I had to do some stuff.

It'll all be set up and sorted in the next few hours.

And yes, 7 shares is 231, and yes, you buy em here.

[Empty Pie Dish]

I'll buy them eight shares of angrypaul's betting shop.

[StupidCatOfDoom]

I'll buy 10 shares of Angrypaul's betting shop.

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by StupidCatOfDoom
I'll buy 10 shares of Angrypaul's betting shop. You need a bit more muneh to actually buy them - Around £350 to be exact

Originally posted by Empty Pie Dish
I'll buy them eight shares of angrypaul's betting shop. That'll be £264 please ;)

[Empty Pie Dish]

Ok!
must...reach...store..button..

[StupidCatOfDoom]

K, 1 share of AngryPaul's betting shop. By the time you read this, I should have got to 35 rupies.

Ah, hell, I can't afford stocks. I'm gonna go gamble on the Horserace thread instead.

[jonffm]

Nope. Beat you to it :p

[Shave]

how much would it cost to buy a share in 'the ultimate unpredictable betting game' for when it's up and running?

[jonffm]

It depends.

I make the price based on the average profit, so I'll have to wait and see how well it does.

My guess would be around 20-30 rupies each.

[InsertNameHere]

Shane, I will be intending to sell shares for 25 rupies. If the bank wins they go up by 1 rupie. If it loses they go down by one rupies. 50% of the profits will be shared equally. If one person owns one share and nobody else does he gets all 50%. There will be a seperate thread for my shares

[jonffm]

Insertname, you don't get to choose how much your shares sell for.

Stock Market Update

Angry Pauls Betting Shop
Profit to be divided among shareholders- 135 rupies

Barret - 7 Rupies
Mr Stabby - 67 Rupies
EPD - 54 Rupies
Stupidcatofdoom - 7 Rupies

[AngryPaul]

I made a mistake where I needed to pay out more - btu I decided too allow the shareholders too keep their pay-outs this week :D

[sheep go moo]

jonny isnt piemanmoo meant to be selling stocks to his thread here?

[KneHigHbOb]

yeah, what he said. can we buy shares in piemanmoo's horse race. and how much?

[jonffm]

He needs to actually come here or PM me to ask. He kinda touched on the subject, but I can't sell stocks in his thread without his full permission.

[woobi]

2 shares in johnnys board game my good man

[piemanmoo]

Originally posted by JonnyFFmaster
He needs to actually come here or PM me to ask. He kinda touched on the subject, but I can't sell stocks in his thread without his full permission.

You have my permission now.

[jonffm]

Coolguy, you need to send the money.

piemanmoo, i'll put the info up for your shares later today, abit busy right now.

[woobi]

Incoming moolah

[problem child]

how much would 1 share in angry pauls betting shop cost?

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by problem child
how much would 1 share in angry pauls betting shop cost? 48 rupies - Its on the first page ;)

[problem child]

k ill buy 1 share wat i do now?

[AngryPaul]

Originally posted by problem child
k ill buy 1 share wat i do now? Donate that amount to me :D

[piemanmoo]

can I sell shares in my thread now? And for how much?

[jonffm]

Ok, its on the first pages now. Shares are currently 25 rupies.

How much of your profit do you want to sell in shares? I defaulted it to 50%...

[Shave]

i'll buy two shares. donating to piemanmoo

[problem child]

iv just brought a share in angry pauls betting shop.

[Shave]

so... have i got my shares then or not?

[KneHigHbOb]

i think i'll take 2
(thats 50 rupies yes?)

will donate now

[Furnie]

Can I buy a share in Piemanmoo's Horse Racing
I've sent 25 rupies to him

[jonffm]

Everyone who bought shares in piemanmoos thread will have to wait untill he confirms that you paid him.

Please, can people wishing to buy shares donate to me. I then pass it on to the owner so I know who's bought shares.

[piemanmoo]

I've got the money from Shane, KneHigHbOb, and furnie. They've got their shares now.