Deetee's Badger Badger Racer Thread

[damn tasche]

Credit goes to peg who thought of the idea of having a badger racing thread.

(Poof said he liked the sound of this in a PM so I figured I may as well post it - also thanks goes to Dingbat who explained how odds work)

Here is how badger racing works:

In each race there will be 5 badgers, the 5 badgers will be randomly selected from the list of badgers (there will be 15 to start, but more can always be added). Each of the 5 badgers will be assigned a number so people can bet on them.

The maximum bet is 50 rupies and the minimum bet is 15 (this can be changed dependant on funds).

However, if you want to push luck a bit more to your side, you can always purchase one of our sneaky items. When an item is purchased by someone, everyone else who was betting on that badger or bets on that badger must pay 25% of the price of the item as well because it will benefit everyone (and they're lucky getting it cheap).

How are winnings sorted out you may ask. Like so:

If you have bought an item then 50% of the item's value will be added to what you bet (i.e. if you bet 10, bought something for 16 it would come out as 18). Then all the bets would be added up for each badger then each better will have a percentage worked out - this is the percentage of the bets on that badger which was made by them.

When a badger wins, the money is treated as a whole - say it came to 300 for this instance. The badger that won had odds of 1/1 so 300 comes back as 600. Then everyone who betted on that badger gets their percentage from the winnings e.g. if bob had 50%, tom had 25% and peter had 25% then bob would get 300 and tom and peter would each get 150.

The course is split into 4 different sections, Section 1 being at the start and Section 4 being at the end.

Here is the items list:

6 rupies - random bomb (2 points, - 1 point off a random badger)
10 rupies - specific bomb (2 points, - 1 point off a chosen badger)
14 rupies - golden bomb (4 points, - 1 point off badger with most points or 2nd most if you have most)
18 rupies - nitro (6 points)

These are the base prices, you then add the following modifier for each section:

Section 1: - 2 rupies (+ 0 points)
Section 2: + 2 rupies (+ 1 point)
Section 3: + 6 rupies (+ 2 points)
Section 4: + 10 rupies (+ 3 points)

So for example say you wanted to buy a specific bomb to be dropped on badger 4 in section 3 it will cost: 10 + 6 rupies = 16 rupies for you, then everyone else who bets on that badger pays an extra 4 rupies as well. When it comes to the total income you will get 50% of this added to how much you bet, say you bet 10 it will be as if you had betted: 50% of 16 = 8 + 10 = 18.Then the points added to the badgers base points would be: 2 + 2 = + 4 and - 1 for badger 4.

And finally here are the list of badgers:

1. Thunder Titan - 1/1 (base points: 10)
2. Dark Devil - 1/1 (base points: 10)
3. Fatty the wonder badger - 3/1 (base points: 8)
4. Pinkers - 1/1 (base points: 10)
5. Badger2k - 1/3 (base points: 12)
6. Nightmare Revealer - 1/1 (base points: 10)
7. Badger.com - 1/1 (base points: 10)
8. Blossom - 1/1 (base points: 10)
9. Sunshine of the day - 1/2 (base points: 11)
10. Demon - 1/1 (base points: 10)
11. Death by numbers - 1/1 (base points: 10)
12. Bob - 1/1 (base points: 10)
13. Henry - 2/1 (base points: 9)
14. Edward the second - 1/1 (base points: 10)
15. BadgerBadger - 1/1 (base points: 10)

When a badger comes 1st their odds increase, 2nd odds increase by not as much, 3rd don't change, 4th decrease, 5th decrease by more.

It will work like this like this:

1st: 1/1 -> 1/3
2nd: 1/1 -> 1/2
3rd: 1/1 -> 1/1
4th: 1/1 -> 2/1
5th: 1/1 -> 3/1

i.e. 1st - up by 2, 2nd - up by 1, 3rd - no change, 4th - down by 1, 5th - down by 2.

And we could have it so odds can't drop below 5/1 and get go above 1/5 (though I haven't tested this bit yet).

So for an example the next race will involve the following randomly selected badgers:

1: Henry - 1/1 (base points: 10)
2: Sunshine of the day - 1/1 (base points: 10)
3: BadgerBadger - 1/1 (base points: 10)
4: Badger2k - 1/1 (base points: 10)
5: Fatty the wonder badger - 1/1 (base points: 10)

Then people would proceed to bet.

'What about these points?' I hear you ask. It works like so:

After betting the total extra points for each badger (and total points removed if someone's used a sneaky bomb) will be added to the badger's base points (which will change depending on the odds for that badger - a badger with odds 1/2 would have 11 base points, a badger with 1/3 would have 12, a badge with 2/1 would have 9, etc.)

Then the total points would be added up so we have a grand total of points, lets say it turned out like this:

Badger 1: 10 points
Badger 2: 8 points
Badger 3: 16 points
Badger 4: 15 points
Badger 5: 20 points

Total: 69 points

The badgers would then get assigned number(s) by their points, so in this case:

Badger 1: 0 - 9
Badger 2: 10 - 17
Badger 3: 18 - 33
Badger 4: 33 - 48
Badger 5: 49 - 68

Then, using the trusty random number button on my calculator I'll generate the winner:

winner = rand. # * 68

(random number generates a random number between 0 and 1 - all decimals will be rounded)

Then this can be repeated until we have all the positions.

Random number can also be used to decided which badgers out of the list of 15 take part and which badger a random bomb gets dropped on.

I will put half of my rupies aside especially for this, but will use my personal stash if need be.




So without further ado let's begin betting!

1: Henry - 1/1 (base points: 10)
2: Sunshine of the day - 1/1 (base points: 10)
3: BadgerBadger - 1/1 (base points: 10)
4: Badger2k - 1/1 (base points: 10)
5: Fatty the wonder badger - 1/1 (base points: 10)

Don't donate any rupies until I say and please make it clear in your post exactly what you want.

You have until next Sunday.


Current Bets:

1: Henry - 1/1 (base points: 10)

PoofBird: 64 (£78 spent: £50 + nitro sec. 1 = + £16 + rand. sec. 3 = + 12)

Point modifier = + 10

Random Badger will receive - 1

Betters have to pay another 7 rupies on top of their bet in item fees.

2: Sunshine of the day - 1/1 (base points: 10)

Smeagle: 60 (£70 spent: £50 + nitro sec. 2 = + £20)

Dingbat: 25 (£30 spent: £25 [+ 5 item fee])

Munky*: 25 (£30 spent: £25 [+ 5 item fee])

Point modifier = + 7

Betters have to pay another 5 rupies on top of their bet in item fees.

3: BadgerBadger - 1/1 (base points: 10)

None yet

4: Badger2k - 1/1 (base points: 10)

Cap'n Zola: 52 (£84 spent: £20 + nitro sec. 1 = + £16 + nitro sec. 3 = + £24 + gold. sec. 4 = + 24)

Sheep Go Moo: 40 (£56 spent: £40 [+ 16 item fee]

Point modifier = + 21

Badger with the most points (or 2nd most if Badger2k is in the lead) will receive - 1.

Betters have to pay another 16 rupies on top of their bet in item fees.

5: Fatty the wonder badger - 1/1 (base points: 10)

dr. derrice: 42 (£54 spent: £30 + nitro sec. 3 = + 24)

Point Modifier = + 8

Betters have to pay another 6 rupies on top of their bet in item fees.


(Legend: rand. = random bomb, spec. = specific bomb, gold. = golden bomb, sec. = section)

[sheep go moo]

deetee i see that you took my idea to make your own one and this will rock
if the first round goes well you should make a stock market like poofbird's that will also do well

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by sheep go moo
deetee i see that you took my idea to make your own one and this will rock
if the first round goes well you should make a stock market like poofbird's that will also do well

Well, no, actually he just made his own idea based on something similar yours and it had shit all to do with you.

Don't claim credit.

[sheep go moo]

no you dumb shite
i was saying that in the other thread he made up all these rules and peg rejected them so i suggested that he should make his own thread and use those rules because they were great

i am not claiming shit
i couldnt care

[damn tasche]

Can we just get on with the betting please.

If people are finding the rules a little complictated then this is all you need to know from a better's perspective:

You choose 1 of the 5 badgers and can bet 15 - 50 rupies on it.

To increase the chances of the badger winning you can buy items from the following list:

6 rupies - random bomb (hits a random badger - could be yours)
10 rupies - specific bomb (hits a badger number you can specify)
14 rupies - golden bomb (hits either the leading badger or the 2nd one if you're in the lead)
18 rupies - nitro (boosts your badger's speed to insane levels)

These are the base prices, you then add the following modifier for each section:

Section 1: - 2 rupies
Section 2: + 2 rupies
Section 3: + 6 rupies
Section 4: + 10 rupies

When you buy an item everyone else who bets on that badger has to pay a quarter of the item's price as well (say you bought something for 16 then everyone would have to pay 4 rupies too).

If you've bought an item, half of it's price will be added to the value of your bet, so you will gain bonuses from buying items (whilst making it more likely for your badger to win) but you could also lose out by buying too many - so think twice!

That's pretty much everything summed up from the betters point of view for those who were finding the rules confusing.

[Smeagle]

RIght, £50 on Sunshine of the Day if you please, plus an extra £18 for a nitro :)

[Zackron Goldago]

if your still using the badger races game for this then the odds shouldnt change as the results are completely random and have nothing to do with past races

[Deathdevil]

15 on henry...

do i donate now or later? and an extra 10 for a specific bomb that i'll use to bomb sunshine of the day with...

on a second thought i'll keep my money and withdraw the bet...

good luck

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by Zackron Goldago
if your still using the badger races game for this then the odds shouldnt change as the results are completely random and have nothing to do with past races

He's not using the badger game though. Read it all, Deetee's going to randomise it himself.

[damn tasche]

Smeagle - when do you want the nitro for: Section 1, 2, 3 or 4? because it affects the price.

Originally posted by Deathdevil
15 on henry...

do i donate now or later? and an extra 10 for a specific bomb that i'll use to bomb sunshine of the day with...

on a second thought i'll keep my money and withdraw the bet...

good luck

So are you betting or not?

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by Zackron Goldago
if your still using the badger races game for this then the odds shouldnt change as the results are completely random and have nothing to do with past races
read the thread before you reply... :rolleyes:

now then... let´s have a go...

I´m betting 50 on henry

with a section 1 nitro (18 - 2 rupies) and a section 3 random bomb (6 + 6 rupies)

that would be 78 rupies i believe?

[damn tasche]

Righty-o.

Poof bets £50 on Henry.

He's also buying a nitro for 18 rupies - 2 because it's section 1

= + 16 rupies.

Also a random bomb for 6 rupies + 6 because it's section 3

= + 12 rupies

Total amount owed = 78 rupies

Poof's bet value currently stands at 64 and Henry's current point modifier is 6 + 0 + 2 + 2 = + 10

And a random badger will receive a - 1 modifer before the race.

Everyone who bets on Henry will have to pay another 7 rupies (4 + 3) towards what poof has bought.

Poof, you can donate as of now.

[Deathdevil]

Originally posted by damn tasche
So are you betting or not?

I'm not, sorry...

[damn tasche]

Current bets have been added to the first post.

[sheep go moo]

poof please add this thread to the stock market of yours if damn tasche wants it

[Smeagle]

Originally posted by damn tasche
Smeagle - when do you want the nitro for: Section 1, 2, 3 or
Ah, sorry - I'll have section 2 please, bringing the overall price up to a nice round £70 :)

[sheep go moo]

deetee before you race the badgers can you give a chart or table of the bets and prices so that people can see what the bets are like

[damn tasche]

Jolly good.

Smeagle bets £50 on Sunshine of the day.

He's also buying a nitro for 18 rupies + 2 because it's section 2

= + 20 rupies.

Total amount owed = 70 rupies

Smeagle's bet value currently stands at 60 and Sunshine of the day's current point modifier is 6 + 1 = + 7

Everyone who bets on Sunshine of the day will have to pay another 5 rupies towards what smeagle has bought.

You can donate as of now.

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Sheep go moo - can you explain what you mean further, I'm not quite sure I understand.

[sheep go moo]

e.g.
smeagle: £50 bet + 20 nitro (section 2) = 70 rupies
random: 25 bet + 16 nitro (section 1) = 41

[damn tasche]

See the first post:

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=326235#post326235

[sheep go moo]

you really should sell shares in this thread

[damn tasche]

Well I might think about that later, but at the moment I can't do anything unless this thread takes off and we get some more bets.

[Dingbat]

OK, I'll bet 25 on Smeagle's badger, and then I'll pay the 5 on top for the nitro.

[damn tasche]

Dingbat bets £25 on Sunshine of the day.

Because of what smeagle's already bought he has to pay an extra 5 rupies which aren't counted towards his bet.

Total owed = £30

As it is, Dingbat's bet has a value of 25.

You can donate as of now.

[Cap'n Zola]

sheep go moo - you're last 4 posts could very easily have been sent as PMs and your first post in this thread was stupid and uncalled for and trying to insult Dingbat is not a good idea.

Note: Credit goes to Dingbat in Damn Tasche's post but you're name is not there. So Dingbat made a fair point.

You're a n00b in denial, mate.


Enough of that shit, on with the gambling...


I'm betting on Badger2k

Let's see..I'll also buy a nitro in section 1 and a nitro in section 3 and a specific bomb on 1st place (or second place if I'm 1st) in section 4.

So ermm...10(base)+18(nitro, sec.1)+20(nitro, sec.3)+13(specific bomb, sec.4)=total of £61 I think but revise this over when you're back on. Sending £61 right now anyway ;)

edit/ Thanks, Munky* but what you mean "On this one"!? :p

Anyways - I was there once and no one told me to shut up. I'm doing you a favour.

edit2/ and Thanks to Pinkerbell who really helped me out when I started off :love:

[junior]

i'll bet 25 on smeagle badger.

so i think that is £30 all together? correct me if im wrong.

and i agree with cap'n on this one... sheep go moo... you post like you own the place. please don't, it can get very frustrating

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by munky*
and i agree with cap'n on this one... sheep go moo... you post like you own the place. please don't, it can get very frustrating

Right, I'm going to + both of you for saying what I think. sheep go moo, when you eventually see this in the morning, you do post as if you own the place. And as Twig says, you are a n00b in denial.

Badgers! Yes! Under a week to go, y'all! I can't wait! And yes, munky*, that is £30 overall.

[damn tasche]

Here we go then:

The good ol' Cap'n

Zola bets on Badger2k.

Your post was a little confusing, I'm not quite sure what you want.

You're buying a section 1 nitro which comes to 18 - 2 = 16 rupies

You're also buying a section 3 nitro which comes to 18 + 6 = 24 rupies

So currently the items you're buying come to 40 rupies.

Then I get a little confused: "a specific bomb on 1st place (or second place if I'm 1st) in section 4"

Do you mean you want a golden bomb (which drops on either 1st place or 2nd place if you're first) in section 4 which would come to 14 + 10 = 24 rupies

Or do you want a specific bomb in section 4 which would come to 10 + 10 = 20 rupies - if it's this then you need to specify a specific badger to drop it on.

I also can't see where your original bet (between 15 and 50 rupies) is. I may have just missed it though.

Don't donate any extra rupies yet if there will be any - I'll donate your rupies back and once we get it sorted exactly what you want and exactly what the price is you can donate.

Munky*

Munky* bets £25 on Sunshine of the day.

He also has to pay an extra 5 rupies towards what smeagle has bought for it.

Total amount owed = 30 rupies

Munky*'s bet value currently stands at 25.

You've already donated so you're all sorted.

[Cap'n Zola]

I did think it might have been a golden bomb but wasn't sure. That is what I want. Tell me what rupies to donate and I'll donate if that's all...

Glad I confuse people :/


edit/ betting £20 on Badger2k then :p

[damn tasche]

Right, I understand what you want to buy now - but how much are you betting?

You need to make a bet, then you buy the items to increase the chances of your badger winning.

[sheep go moo]

i will bet on badger2k winning(the one zola bet on)
if i bet 40 to win how much do i owe you

[damn tasche]

Sorted at last ;):

The good ol' Cap'n

Zola bets £20 on Badger2k.

He buys a section 1 nitro which comes to 18 - 2 = 16 rupies

He also buying a section 3 nitro which comes to 18 + 6 = 24 rupies

Then he buys a golden bomb for section 4 which comes to 14 + 10 = 24 rupies

Total owed = 84 rupies

Cap'n Zola's bet value currently stands at 52 and Badger2k's point modifier is 6 + 0 + 6 + 2 + 4 + 3 = + 21

The badger with the most points before the race (or 2nd most if badger2k is in the lead) will receive a - 1 point modifier.

Other people who bet on badger2k must also pay a 16 rupies fee towards what zola has bought.

You can donate now.

Sheep Go Moo

Sheep Go Moo bets £40 on Badger2k.

He also has to pay an extra 16 rupies towards what zola has bought for it.

Total amount owed = 56 rupies

Sheep Go Moo's bet value currently stands at 40.

You can donate now.

[Smeagle]

Originally posted by damn tasche
Sheep Go Moo bets £40 on Badger2k.

He also has to pay an extra 16 rupies towards what smeagle has bought for it.
Just to prevent possible confusion, by Smeagle he meant Zola ;)

[Cap'n Zola]

Heh I noticed that too but couldn't be arsed doing anything 'bout it. 'Sure he'll change that when he comes back...

Smeagle, you bet on Sunshine of the Day? To be sure?

[damn tasche]

:ninja: You didn't see anything :ninja:

[dr. derrice]

£30 on fatty the wonderbadger with a sec3 nitrobomb please :p

[damn tasche]

dr. derrice bets £30 on fatty the wonder badger.

He also buys a section 3 nitro which comes to 18 + 6 = 24 rupies

Total owed = 54 rupies

dr. derrice's bet value currently stands at 42 and fatty the wonder badger's point modifier is 6 + 2 = + 8

Everyone who bets on fatty the wonder badger has to pay 6 extra to cover what dr. derrice has bought.

You can donate as of now.

[sheep go moo]

Sorry for the bump, it is just that the actual race doesnt happen until tomorrow and i dont want this to go onto the second page.

Deetee, it is tomorrow right?

[Dingbat]

Originally posted by damn tasche
You have until next Sunday

[Dingbat]

Sorry for double post/bumpage - but isn't it about time, deetee?

[sheep go moo]

Don't worry i have pmed him and he says he will fo it today.

[damn tasche]

Betting ends!

The race is about to begin!

Henry receives - 1 because he has the second most points (i.e. a bomb is dropped on him).

And, ironically Badger2k receives - 1 because of Henry's random bomb.

The Adding up:

1: Henry - 1/1

Points = 19

Total bet value = 64

PoofBird: 100%

Random Badger will receive - 1

2: Sunshine of the day - 1/1[/color]

Points = 17

Total bet value = 110

Smeagle: 55%

Dingbat: 23%

Munky*: 23%

3: BadgerBadger - 1/1[/color]

Points = 10

Total bet value = 0

4: Badger2k - 1/1

Points = 30

Total bet value = 92

Cap'n Zola: 57%

Sheep Go Moo: 43%

Badger with the most points (or 2nd most if Badger2k is in the lead) will receive - 1.

5: Fatty the wonder badger - 1/1[/color]

Points = 18

Total bet value = 42

dr. derrice: 100%


So here are the badgers' numbers:

1. Henry: 1 - 19
2. Sunshine of the day: 20 - 36
3. BadgerBadger: 37 - 46
4. Badger2k: 47 - 76
5. Fatty the wonder badger: 77 - 94

(you may or may not have noticed that I'm doing it slightly different to how I said in my first post as I have realised that this is much fairer - values less than 0.5 will be ignored as will values of 94.5 and above, if anyone wants me to explain why this is fairer please pm me as I don't have the time now)

So the equation will be:

Ran# * 95 = winner

What are the probabilities then?

1. Henry: 19/94
2. Sunshine of the day: 17/94
3. BadgerBadger: 10/94 (or 5/47)
4. Badger2k: 30/94 (or 15/47)
5. Fatty the wonder badger: 18/94 (or 9/47)

So by the laws of probability Badger2k should win and the finishing positions should look as follows:

1st place: Badger2k
2nd place: Henry
3rd place: Fatty the wonder badger
4th place: Sunshine of the day
5th place: BadgerBadger

...but will this be the case?

*race begins*

And the winner is...............






Badger2k

(I guess probability was right this time)

Here are the badgers' positions:

1st place: Badger2k
2nd place: Sunshine of the day
3rd place: BadgerBadger
4th place: Henry
5th place: Fatty the wonder badger

(looks like probability wasn't so correct about the overall race, however)

So Badger2k wins and the betters get their winnings:

Total bet value was 92 and the odds were 1/1 so this comes back with:

184

Zola = 57% of 184 = 105 (£84 spent, so a profit of 21)

sheep go moo = 43% of 184 = 79 (£56 spent, so a profit of 23)

Congratulations to the winners.

As you can see, you've got to be careful about what you buy - although it increases your chances greatly, it does lower your profits.

A new round may start shortly, but for now I'll leave winners to gloat and losers to sob :)

[edit]

Forgot to add the odd changes for badgers:

Henry - 1/1 (base points: 10) -> 2/1 (base points: 9)
Sunshine of the day - 1/1 (base points: 10) -> 1/2 (base points: 11)
BadgerBadger - 1/1 (base points: 10) -> 1/1 (base points: 10)
Badger2k - 1/1 (base points: 10) -> 1/3 (base points: 12)
Fatty the wonder badger - 1/1 (base points: 10) -> 3/1 (base points: 8)