No More CS 1.5 \o/

[jimeh]

Checkitout (http://www.halflifesource.com/)

Soon there will be no original games, ONLY STEAM, forceing all users to change over to Steam!

OBEY THE STEAM

[Lewiji]

I love steam dearly and don't know why anyone wouldn't want it. It's so much easier managing and getting into servers and the update thingy is nice. Plus the fact that you can launch all the HL mods easily is a nice feature.

Obey. OBEY. OBEY the steam

[Timmeh]

The only thing I think steam could do with is the ability to add other half life mods that you have... say you download a mod off the net, well... you could add it into half life, why not make it so you can add it into steam and it'll appear under games?! Other than that, I agree, steam is lovely :)

[Drew]

I don't like Steam. It seems like Steam has more control over my PC/internet connection than I do. Don't like things that does stuff without me telling it to.

[JaggedG]

Whyplash, you can put non-official mods on your Steam game list. I'm not sure how without a magical installer, but most mods that I've downloaded since Steam came out automatically install themselves where it needs to go.

And my opinion... Right... Steam's a good idea, but it seems like it takes too much control of your computer. I don't like the idea of it totally bypassing my firewall and downloading je ne sais quoi onto my computer. That's why it's off my startup list, I'm not going to touch Steam unless I have the patience to watch it like a bloody hawk. So Steam is flawed, but it's not like it's the Antichrist of videogaming.

[Timmeh]

JaggedG, I know this, but I have millions of old HL mods that I want... and if I want to play them, I have to load them up from half life... which sucks! If they could make it easy like a "place shortcut to exe into this folder" style thing, it'd make it all so much better.

[Dødens Knekt]

My fps dropped by 30 when steam came.
My 800 mhz pentium 3 with a 32 mb geforce 2 GTS and 512 mb of ram gives me 20-30 fps, choke and pain.

Steam never did anything for me that 3rd party programs could do.
It's more convinient, yes, but that doesn't make up for the flaws.

The idea that I have to update a system that was bought 2 or 3 years after the game was made to play it properly is just absurd...

[Private Bob]

Yeah, steam does take over a fair bit of your computer and when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong and screws everything up. Which is why I uninstalled it...I can't wait to see the steampowered forums when the people there hear about that!

[Sand-Man]

Steam was made for 2 reasons, Valve wanted something to stop piracy of their games, and they wanted to make it appealing to users. So hence forth you have steam that is "convienet" and keeps money in their pocket. You can argue it both ways, it just depends on your views. Personally I don't like it. I would rather use X-Fire and an update tool anyday.

[Wahoo]

i can't play cs even if i wanted to, i get close to 1000 ping when i play because sierra are too dumb to configure their game properly so it works with raedons

[Timmeh]

i can't play cs even if i wanted to, i get close to 1000 ping when i play because sierra are too dumb to configure their game properly so it works with raedons

Umm... Radeons... ATI made graphics card?? Internet latency related to graphics card? Hmm. Are you sure it's not your line/internet connection/programs running in the background that are causing you latency problems? During peak times on my server (when I'd be lagging my clients by playing CS on the bandwidth), I use my ISP's free dial-up backup. I've tweaked it and tweaked it to give me around 100-130 ping to a half decent UK server... try fiddling with your config.

I agree with Dødens Knekt about the fps thing, I need a new graphics card, mine has a bit of a nasty habbit of lagging when I go through smoke :p

Out of interest: As a lot of third parties support steam games, would you rather use steam, or a client like all seeing eye? Personally, anyone can whinge all they like about it, I'm rather attached to steam...

[wyrd_fish]

i use a radeon, and it's just peachy :D

[Boyinabox]

I really like steam, before steam I could never make counter strike or any other mods work but now the steam system means that I can log onto games properley now. Besides if you want to load up an unsupported mod on steam all you do is choose "dedicated server" under the games list.

[jimeh]

Convenient if you are too lazy to connect to WON

[l33t k1w1]

Steam is brilliant.

I download the 800meg install so I got everything. Used my Counter-Strike retail key and it qualified me for the Half-Life Platnium Pack (so I got a free copy of HL). I've played on several servers and the output has been quite good. Still suck at it, though.

One thing that ticked me off was that it downloaded Condition Zero for me. I can't use it. But I was downloading it from a local server, so it was no skin off my nose.

[Wahoo]

i have a raedon 256mb with a 1mb connection. I can connect to a uk server, normal ping about 30, ping with this kinda lag crap, about 500

[wyrd_fish]

connection bandwidth and latency are differnt

the latency is the speed at which a server responds
and the bandwidth is how much data you can get per second

for example a satalyte connection may be 2mb, but the latency would be high.
but an 2mb ADSL line would seem faster for normal use as teh latency is much less


typically 'profesional' as opposed to 'domestic' lines have a lower latency

[n00bzilla]

i can't play cs even if i wanted to, i get close to 1000 ping when i play because sierra are too dumb to configure their game properly so it works with raedons

in console type
(for 1 meg connection)

rate 25000
cl_updaterate 80
cl_cmdrate 80

(if on dsl)
rate 20000
cl_updaterate 80
cl_cmdrate 80

(if on lower than dsl)
type quit in console and uninstall CS :P

the lowest you should put you rates i think for any connection is 15000.

I love steam dearly and don't know why anyone wouldn't want it. It's so much easier managing and getting into servers and the update thingy is nice. Plus the fact that you can launch all the HL mods easily is a nice feature.

Obey. OBEY. OBEY the steam

The update thingie is annoying at the moment because of the bugs such as "game is unavailable" or the way it auto updates and since the release of steam there has been a "pause all updates" button that has never worked.
Finding servers with steam is pants because you can only filter it to EUROPE. i suggest The All Seeing Eye. it has many more options and you can filter it to things like game,mod,map,type of weapons,ping,regions(such as UK) and some others.
It also finds a much wider range of servers than steam does.


My fps dropped by 30 when steam came.
My 800 mhz pentium 3 with a 32 mb geforce 2 GTS and 512 mb of ram gives me 20-30 fps, choke and pain.

Steam never did anything for me that 3rd party programs could do.
It's more convinient, yes, but that doesn't make up for the flaws.

The idea that I have to update a system that was bought 2 or 3 years after the game was made to play it properly is just absurd...


choke is mainly to do with your rates. if you fiddle with them or set them to things like i have put at the top of the post. 800MHz is pretty low nowdays. and since steam came along they revamped all the graphics so they have more detail and use up more memory from your comp and gfx card.

The only thing I think steam could do with is the ability to add other half life mods that you have... say you download a mod off the net, well... you could add it into half life, why not make it so you can add it into steam and it'll appear under games?! Other than that, I agree, steam is lovely :)

http://www.hdpixel.com/gallery/data/500/251cs-3rdparty.jpg
heres a pic of my steam games. (by the by that other CS is CS1.3) just search google for a guide to how to get 3rd party games/mods. Most mods support it even if they dont specify

Anyway. i saw one game thats going to run on stam thats not by valve. i think its called Pirates of the burning sun or something. But if that goes well i can see a load of other games going steam-wise in the future and once they iron out the kinks steam will be really good.

anyhoo i have posted far far too much...

[Timmeh]

in console type
(for 1 meg connection)

rate 25000
cl_updaterate 80
cl_cmdrate 80


On a 1mb connection, you should have

cl_updaterate 101
cl_cmdrate 101

it wont give you choke. My mate on 512 uses 101/101 and doesnt choke and has almost perfect reg.

Thanks for the 3rd party info btw n00bzilla :)

[wyrd_fish]

i use 101, 101, 11000...on a 512kbps connection, no choke , no lag... sorted :D

and i added a toggle to change them if things get desperate... (Top Tip: use the 'speak' command in your aliases to let you know what settings things are in, as in 1.6 printing to the console and turning on developer doesnt work.)

you may want to read this, it's the best info i could find - http://www.mfa-lan.net/rates.asp


and if you write it in you console, it'll usually need re adding every time you play CS, it's better to use a config file... mine :D (http://mooses.34sp.com/mi/art.php?id=112&pn=1)

and my friend went throuch all the cvars he could :rolleyes:...

[n00bzilla]

hmm maybe ill try that. i was told 101 101 were lan rates. but then they have changed CS a lot since the old days. i will give it a go. thanks for the advice :D

EDIT: i was told most servers are capped at 60 or 80 so putting them on 101 is only good for LAN in the end.

[Scribbly]

Since I'm never going to play HL/CS anyhow, I couldn't care less...

CS isn't fun anymore

[Wahoo]

my 1mb connection is on a cable modem so i don't see how a uk server ( jolt for example ) can have 30 ping on other games but about 1000 on cs? I've turned v_sync off, put refresh rate up high, updaterate high and cmdrate high, and this makes no difference.