Britain vs. America (USA)

[psychohamster]

Yah, plz dont hurt me, this thread probably has been used already though... Anywho, ill tell you my thoughts after you dont cheese this...

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by psychohamster
Yah, plz dont hurt me, this thread probably has been used already though... Anywho, ill tell you my thoughts after you dont cheese this...

well, that's we're you start off wrong :)

you have a bigger chance of surviving if you stated your own views first.
That also makes it easier for others to join in.
I think, if you post what you feel about this subject, your thread will do alright.

good luck, i can see you are making an effort.

[squealpiggy]

America throws britain against the ropes, Britain turns it around with a kick to the face and a choke slam... goes to make the pin, it's one it's two and WHAT! Canada comes in, drop kicks the UK and pins the States, it's a one two three count Canada wins the title!

I think there are good things and bad things about each country.

[Sloth]

oo this thread is just filled with potential entertainment...

[Reddig]

Well, USA has the cash and all that, but Britain has style ;]. Sometimes at least.

And seriously, discussing one country's superiority to another makes no sense, because it's either obvious (you just compare the right numbers), or imposible to determine (if we're talking about which of these is cooler).

I myself think, that the coolest country is Iceland :]


I think there are good things and bad things about...

I'll make a program, which sends a post to every thread in the debate part every day which will say: "I know that I might be repeating myself, but I state once again: I think there are good things and bad things about both sides of this issue.", and it will generally say the truth and fit to most of the threads. :]

[malcolio]

Britain made America, therefore, if America is good at anything, we founded America and so really America's achievements are ours. If America did anything stupid, it has nothing to do with us. :D Go GB, boo US!!! :p

[PoofBird]

I do not understand any patriotic feeling.

I enjoy being Dutch, mainly because I haven't experienced anything else, and am quite happy here.
But to feel pride over a piece of land, some shared cultural background and your ideals seems silly and rather irrelevant to me.

I will never defend my country. That is: not as a principle.

I will defend my own ideals and believes if necessary. I will defend my country if an outside force attacks, I will protect myself and my family.
I will not find when my government wishes to go to war.

That may be a slightly off topic thing to bring up, but debates like this often concern patriotism, which is something I am not familiar with but which I recognize i times of war.

[squealpiggy]

Well, USA has the cash and all that, but Britain has style

Haha now it's obvious that you're not from here!

observe:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/teens/lads/life/howtobe/images/scally.gif

[cliffhanger]

Britain is better than America at:

1. making chips.
2. burning diseased cattle.
3. playing football (the type you actually use your feet to play otherwise known as soccer not the sissy padding wearing type).
4. scrapping half their naval fleet.
5. flying in airshows as the red arrows.
6. digging long tunnels under water
7. starting a war with whoever the US tells us to.
8. driving yellow 3 wheeled vans.
9. sucking Americas nuts.
10. buying all their movies and decimating our own film industry.
11. making lemon curd.
12. moaning about the weather.
13. not feeling obliged to tip.
14. playing monopoly.
15. waving tiny flags on sticks at the queen and going 'yay'.
16. letting crazy Americans stop all our traffic by living in small perspex boxes hanging from cranes.
17. drooling over Beyonce.
18. kicking Madonna out of our country.
19. letting our heavyweight boxing contenders smash up Mike Tysons fists with their faces.
20. Letting Mike Tyson smash up our undisputed heavyweight champions fists with his face.
21. taking the piss out of baseball's world series. (World Series? when did the Namibian baseball champions last play at Shea stadium?)
22. taking the piss out of Micky Jackson.
23. eating greasy kebabs prepared by swarthy men in dirty shirts.
24. getting pissed on cheap cider and guiness.
25. letting teenagers get pregnant at a tremendous rate.
26. sucking Americas nuts some more.
27. letting old people die of cold.
28. moaning and tutting because nobody queues at the bus stop anymore.
29. squashing onto packed overdue trains.
30. sucking Americas flabby titties.

[ZekeyLizard]

So....what are you saying cliffhanger?:confused: :D

[Sloth]

So....what are you saying cliffhanger? America can't suck its own nuts...

[felixdahousecat]

I don't like america, i find it, on thw whole, to be an ignorant, big headed place. I'm not saying that i don't like all americans, i have met a few who are very kind, quiet thoroughly agreeable people. What i hate most about america is their conviction that whatever they do is right, the whole indoctrination of school kids with the "i pledge allegience to the flag of america etc etc" thing, it is remeniscent of the nazis or facsist governments.

I also despise their attitude towards punishment, including 10,000,000 people in prison, 145 year sentences, the fact that a lawyer is allowed to sleep through a persons trial when they could be sentenced to death (which incidentally i also abhore) because it is not seen as harming their defence. I hate the way the native americans have been treated, the fact that healthcare is not free, that 10% of the population own 90% of the wealth

I have sworn never ever to visit the USA, the year before last i turned down a trip to florida whith my family because i do not want to fund their government any more than i do

[psychohamster]

Reasons why America is better than Britain:
1. Owned Britain in Revolution
2. Mad Rich
3. Kick ass military
4. Oppertunities gallor
5. Bigger size.
6. Less inflation
7. More freedoms
8. Less romantics
9. Nuclear missiles
10. More pie.

Reasons why Britain is better than America:
1. Sherlock Holmes
2. Accents
3. Tea Time
4. King Arthur (legend)/ Holy Grail
5. Monte Python
6. Crazy old people
7. Reversed Cars
8. Helped US own in WWII
9. Crompets
10. Luxurious Homes

[squealpiggy]

1. Owned Britain in Revolution

A common misconception. The Rebels in the revolutionary war did very little in most battles apart from getting totally killed. The French won that war. If the French hadn't loaned you General Lafayette then you would be pledging allegiance to the queen and eating scones.

Oh and don't forget the war of 1812 where the Americans thought they would press the advantage, this time without the French, and invade Lower Canada, at which point the Canadians, aided by the British Royal Marines, counter-attacked and burned the capital to the ground.

I like Canada.

[freddiestarfish]

why the UK pwns USA

1. Cream Teas


2. Being polite

[Magpie]

I'm gonna go with America on this.

yeah at the moment it's ruled by George Bush.

But since it's start it's been a country of freedom and dreams, producing writers,muscians and artists who send their message out across the globe.

also they had Elvis and John Wayne.

[squealpiggy]

I can't wait til some of the more patriotic Americans see mybit about the revolutionary war!

[felixdahousecat]

britain has the beatles, rolling stones, oscar wilde, stephen hawking

[squealpiggy]

Oscar Wilde was Irish. Thought you ought to know.

We did have Dylan Thomas (Welsh), Mary Shelley and Will Shakespeare (English) and Rabby Burns (Scottish).

Also Emiline Pankhurst, Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale, Winston Churchill, Slade, Saxon, THE MAIDEN, Slash from GnR, Therapy?, Monty Python, er... me!

I prefer Britain to the States, not just for patriotism but also because I genuinely think that we have it better.

[squealpiggy]

Pinkerbell go to a soccer match. Or any sporting event. Or to a rock concert. Then you will see British people showing passion and emotion.

North American sports events are tame in comparison, tht's from experience. The only thing in North America that comes CLOSE to a soccer match here is a Canadian hockey match. Basketball, Baseball, NFL they haven't got the spark. Sure you have the Superbowl, but we have the FA cup...

In fact Britain is less mad about football than many South American and African teams but it is still OUR game and gets us going.

Yo.

[PoofBird]

a bit weird that a discussion like this gets down to personal observations of the way individuals of a certain nationality behave, or personal opinions about the achievements of long dead members of a nation, and make it appear like we're still discussing countries.

[Wahoo]

if you want an arguement for britain vs america, take the old british empire, we must have owned, what now, half the world? must have been very close to that...

[eidderf]

I like Britain cause I have never been to America , but thats not a good reason I have heard there is alot of gun crime and stuff in America .I also don't think George Bush is a good president and the Iraq war could have been handled better .Tony Blair wasen't exactly very good at handling it either .I like America and don't have anything against it though because without it there would no The Simpsons.

[felp]

around 12"

[Dr-Electro]

Britain once owned most of teh civilized world and more than that of the uncivilized world. Colonies are like children: they still love Mom and Dad but want their own space, their own lives. America is like that.

Compared to Britain, America is barely a teenager, owing to the fact that Britain has a much longer history than America does. That is due to the fact that white Europeans like the British, French and Spanish came over to the North American Continent and killed off 99% of the native population and penned the rest of them up on reservations beginning acouple hundred years ago. (Ok, four centuries, give or take)

The Dutch took a look at some of that Eastern Seaboard land and lost interest due to the natives and the British. Mind you, this is just a thumbnail sketch and by no means encompasses all of the truly rich history that we two nations share with each other.

After all the bickering and squabbling between Mama England and Baby America ended, we settled into being pretty decent trading partners and fighting allies. I actually prefer to see it that way.

Forget the differences and personal preferences. We are the TWO GREATEST COUNTRIES ON THE PLANET! That is my honest opinion.

I would actually prefer that nobody start threads like this one, because they almost invariably turn into "pissing contests" in which everybody gets wet and nasty and nobody wins. Everybody loses something when these things start up. I speak from experience and there are other people on this forum who can vouch for that. I have turned into a flamer on more than one occasion when somebody pushed things farther than I was willing to tolerate.

I will not cheesebin this thread just yet, but take my word for it, once the flaming turns nasty, it's locked. No excuses, no compromise. I will lock this thread if it gets out of hand.

The dragon has spoken.

[Sloth]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
I can't wait til some of the more patriotic Americans see mybit about the revolutionary war! Troll... :p

North American sports events are tame in comparison, tht's from experience. You obviously never gone to a High School Football(usa) game in Texas... or a College Football(usa) game in Lincoln, Nebraska... Personally i don't like the major "professional" sports... i perfer the local venues... this is where you see the real passion...

but i'll give you one thing... femal football fans seem to be much more nice looking...:)

[squealpiggy]

Hehe I don't mean to troll, I made those comments in response to something someone said.

Dr Electro is right about the how high can you piss contest. And Brits can piss highest!

Joke...

I really do think that there are good things about both countries, which could be said in any debate really, so why not make this a continental debate? North America vs Europe. The presence of Canada makes North America better whereas the presence of, say, Turkey makes Europe's position worse...

Never mind me, I'm not well....

[Wally]

SCOTLAND!!!!
DIE YOU FAT NATIONALISTIC HAMBURGER EATING FAT FAT FAT FAT TOURISTICAL FAT FAT SKYSCRAPER BUILDING FAT AMEEEEERICAAAAN!

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by Wally
SCOTLAND!!!!
DIE YOU FAT NATIONALISTIC HAMBURGER EATING FAT FAT FAT FAT TOURISTICAL FAT FAT SKYSCRAPER BUILDING FAT AMEEEEERICAAAAN!

this is exactly what Dr Electro warned for.
are you trying to get this cheesed?

you sir, are a cunt.

[Pod]

Originally posted by psychohamster
Reasons why America is better than Britain:
1. Owned Britain in Revolution
2. Mad Rich
3. Kick ass military
4. Oppertunities gallor
5. Bigger size.
6. Less inflation
7. More freedoms
8. Less romantics
9. Nuclear missiles
10. More pie.

Reasons why Britain is better than America:
1. Sherlock Holmes
2. Accents
3. Tea Time
4. King Arthur (legend)/ Holy Grail
5. Monte Python
6. Crazy old people
7. Reversed Cars
8. Helped US own in WWII
9. Crompets
10. Luxurious Homes


how many of the british ones there are myths and sterotypes? and the americans ones are fairly crap as well

[Dr-Electro]

Why don't you try rereading that particular post, Pod. This time take it with a grain of salt and try to wee the lighthearted manner in which it was intended by its author.

Wally, come to my place for a visit, I want to slap you in the face with a blazing hot griddle cake. Poofbird is right, you cheesehead. If you intended that as a rib, make sure you indicate that you are only kidding around.

Oh, incidentally, there is a movie in teh works. It is being directed by the same wonker director, Peter Berg, who made "The Rundown" starring The Rock. The title of the movie is "Friday Night Lights." The subject of the movie is this little, old high school where I am writing this very post from right this exact realtime minute.

The movie is based on the book of the same title. It centers around our passion for high school football and tells a great deal about the character, both good and bad, of the players, the coaches, the boosters, the parents and all the rest of us. I personally know all the people the book tells of. Those kids are actually better people than the book makes them sound.

I highly recommend that you not pass up any opportunity you may have to view this movie. Download pirate copies if you must, but see that movie. (I'm not in it and not a character from the book.)

After rereading my post, I'm not sure I made the purpose of the post really clear. The idea of my wanting you all to see this movie is to give you an insightful glimpse into the characters and lives of the people I live and work with. Texas high school football, especially the brand played by Odessa Permian High School really tells a tale. It's more than just a sport for most of us, it's a vital part of our way of life.

College footbll rivalries exist too. Like Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and other universities up the middle of the country go after each other like caged animals every Fall. We love it!

[Sloth]

if you want to see what i have to deal with everyday, watch About Schmidt...

my old car was parked behind the RV... too bad it didn't make the shot...

[cliffhanger]

Why do people worry about arguing about their country. When you see photos of mother Earth from space there are no borders and it makes all the petty wars seem ridiculous. Now I'm not saying that no one should argue as it's what makes life worth living and I am an Arsenal fan who lived in Tottenham for years so I know. (this is a big football rivalry for anyone who doesn't know)

Europe is nearly as big a the USA so when we finally have the united states of Europe we are gonna rule! for about 5 minutes then the English will argue with the French, the Germans will argue with the English, The Scottish will argue with the English, the Irish will argue with the English, the Welsh will argue with the English, the Spanish will argue with the Portuguese, the Norwegians will argue with the Slovenians, the Turks will argue with the Greeks. the Italians will argue with everyone. the Dutch will argue with the Swiss, the Belgians will argue with the Germans, the Croatians will argue with the Serbians, the Latvians will argue with the Ukrainians, the Polish will argue with the Czech Republic, the Swedes will argue with the Slovakians...

[ZekeyLizard]

Can I say something....

The only Ignorant Americans are the Rednecks and the politicians

Thank You.

[Dr-Electro]

Well, Zekey, there are a few blooming idiots in California, too. They don't fit either classification, so just call them flakes.

[squealpiggy]

The only idiot Americans are 99.5% of the population, the same proportion of idiots that you get in any country!

[felixdahousecat]

Originally posted by Pinkerbell
I think the UK is beautiful, and I like the accents and all, but just from my experience with meeting people from there on the net and seeing them on TV, I have found the people for the most part to be quite stuck up and moody. If they find something hilarious, they barely crack a smile. It's like they are afraid of being loud! SHOW SOME EMOTION ONE TIME!

You like british accents? i sound like hugh grant except sexy. and it ain't my lip thats stiff baby (joke)

I don't think that the british are afraid of being loud, you should see liverpool city centre at 11.30 pm, and we show plenty of emotion, like being moody for example. If we find something hilarious we tend to laugh... loudly although i have noticed some major differences in british/american comedy, american tends to be very slapstick whereas british is often more subtle, benny hill excluded.

[Hydralisk]

Originally posted by malcolio
Britain made America, therefore, if America is good at anything, we founded America and so really America's achievements are ours. If America did anything stupid, it has nothing to do with us. :D Go GB, boo US!!! :p

Hear hear!!! Especially Scotland!!! (And if I hear someone say *are you from Scotland, England again, I will fly kick them very hard(No personal beef against England, mind...)

We founded America, therefore we are (in)directly responsible for all the good things.(AND the bad things, I'll admit, but we all make mistakes :)

Originally posted by Wahoo
if you want an arguement for britain vs america, take the old british empire, we must have owned, what now, half the world? must have been very close to that...

Rivelled the roman empire, I believe. One of the biggest ever made EVER. having said that, they both are good.

[squealpiggy]

The British Empire was bigger than the Roman Empire as it included North America, the Antipodes, India and also parts of China. The sun never set on the British Empire, but they could have achieved that by invading Iceland and Antarctica, it would have taken far less manpower.

[felixdahousecat]

the sun never set on the british empire cos it didn't trust it enough to look away

[Pod]

Originally posted by Hydralisk

We founded America, therefore we are (in)directly responsible for all the good things.(AND the bad things, I'll admit, but we all make mistakes :)


remember we didn't directly found it. It was a bunch of religious extremsist escaping "persecution" .... ie "people laughing at you for you obbsession with religion"

[eidderf]

I'm not moody I'm the jolly green giant and I'm british
Britain and America are geting more and more like each other really and I can't hear my own accent
Britain is good for = Lord of the rings and others thing (that rhymes)
America is good for = The Simpsons and the Matrix and other things

[fat bear]

why do we argue with each other about this (besides that it makes and interesting thread)? Each culture has its own way of looking at things. British look at rednecks and think that all americans are like this and decide to hate us. Yet, the Simpsons are one of the biggest shows in Britan and thier is even a Ned Flanders cult there which dresses up as him. Americans look at the Britians with the bad teeth and the stuck-up attitudes and decide that they are all like that. Yet, they bring us James Bond (well.. most of them), trigger happy t.v, and may I not forget that they also have one of the best gaming companies. Yes the fabled Rockstar Games. Plus, both Americans and Britans can agree one one thing, we all hate the French

[Magpie]

yes by the gods we detest those cheese eating surrender monkeys:rolleyes:

slightly more to the countries than T.V shows and Computer Games....


and Pod.

if you genuinly belive something in a culture that won't accept you, then you are fully justified moving elsewhere.

sadly the US repeated Britain's mistakes in it's treatement of the Mormon faith.

[Wally]

Originally posted by PoofBird
this is exactly what Dr Electro warned for.
are you trying to get this cheesed?

you sir, are a love box.
I love you too man.... indeed it is wwrong,... Holland is waaaay better then Scotland.. no wait.. there both cool.. they should have an allience... against what? I dunnoo...

[TrulsRohk17]

Hmmm, lets see here what can i say. To the people who decided that "briatin" is so called the better of the two, how come the U.S. left them for being sucha crappy ruling nation, and how come we (the U.S.) always get stuck protecting most other peolples countires and not Britain just sits around and loses all its once so colonies of long ago. Plus we got better porn hahaha. :D

[Dr-Electro]

Originally posted by TrulsRohk17
Hmmm, lets see here what can i say. To the people who decided that "briatin" is so called the better of the two, how come the U.S. left them for being sucha crappy ruling nation, and how come we (the U.S.) always get stuck protecting most other peolples countires and not Britain just sits around and loses all its once so colonies of long ago. Plus we got better porn hahaha. :D

I had no idea that the schools in Florida were so bad! Good grief, TR17, please try to at least check your punctuation and grammar if not your spelling. You make the U. S. look more ignorant than it actually is. (A telling argument from a similar topic on the older version of this forum.)

Incidentally, the Brits did a whale of a good job of defending themselves against Hitler before we (America) joined that particular war. We relied on the intelligence and expertise of the British military very heavily at the beginning of our involvement in WWII. Yes, we had more people in our armed forces, but they had a much higher percentage of their able-bodied people in their armed forces than we did.

Between the Brits, the Russians and the Americans, we kicked Hitler's ass. We could not have done it alone and it has been acknowledged many times over that it took all three superpowers plus all the smaller allies combined to crush the Nazi war machine.

As wrong as the war in Iraq may be, Britain was our first and strongest ally. We might have finished the job without them, but we didn't. We relied on their fighting skills and intelligence one more time. Now, I want to see Bush impeached for being a liar and causing unnecessary deaths on false premises. Blair will probably lose the next election for backing Bush with more falsehoods and deception. All the citizens of both nations lose in this case. We should be ashamed of our leaders, not our countries or our people.

[Rhaeven]

^^^

Hear, hear.

We're all citizens of this planet. What bit of it you happened to be born in is nothing really to be proud of. All the country is, is a bunch of stereotypes and what the leaders decide to do. We just all live in it.

On what Elektro said about Iraq, it totally dumbfounded me how no one seemed to care at all that the leaders of two of the most powerful countries in the world BLATENTLY lied to the whole world so they could start a war. Something really should be done about it.

(Damn it's hard being so anti-war and anti-government when your girlfriend's dad is the local Labour MP. I just try not to have political discussions with her :confused: )

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by TrulsRohk17
Hmmm, lets see here what can i say. To the people who decided that "briatin" is so called the better of the two, how come the U.S. left them for being sucha crappy ruling nation, and how come we (the U.S.) always get stuck protecting most other peolples countires and not Britain just sits around and loses all its once so colonies of long ago. Plus we got better porn hahaha. :D

I think I can just about decipher an onus of meaning from this. Britain is "losing all of it's colonies". Er... we lost them a long time ago after WW1 under the treaty of Versailles, that's all the ones that weren't already granted independence. And don't forget that the Commonwealth is still the biggest cooperative collection of countries on the planet.

The US declared independence from Britain for three main reasons:

1. The very rich objected to paying tax. What did this mean to the ordinary colonist? Not a lot. Only the richest paid tax, and this was at a rate of about 4%. Rich powerful men did not want to pay tax to the British even though it was with British money that the new land was colonised.

2. The British forbade any encroaching on Indian (sic) or French owned land. Certain sections wanted to settle on those lands particularly if they suspected that there was gold there. So the second reason is that there were prospectors who wanted to steal land off the native Americans.

3. There was a very strong anti-slave movement in Britain and it looked ikely that there would be legislation forbidding the trading of slaves being made by the British. Colonial Southerners, particularly plantation owners did not want to stop using slaves. I shouldn't need to point out that George Washington was a slave owner. I shouldn't need to but from what I can tell from reading the opinions of many Americans (not all, just the ones that aren't bright enough to check more sources) the brand of American history taught in schools is a very toned down and underplayed one. Kind of like an edit to bring down the certificate at the movies.

[ZekeyLizard]

Perhaps if we started looking at whats the same, instead of whats different......well who knows?

[squealpiggy]

Well some Americans speak English ;)

[ZekeyLizard]

:rolleyes:
Oh, Snortlehog!
You card, you.

[Pod]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
Well some Americans speak English ;)

only some :D

off topic : did you watch that programme on BBC2 yesterday about the history of the english language? that one episode featured American english creating words that we (the 'British') now use.

[Dude]

Is this going back to the wars again, very sad. (just a few examples)

1. If the US military is soooooo great, how come they lost the Veietnam war ( I think they did anyhoo )

2. what about the freindly firing Incedents in Iraq?(great use in technology there)

3. In the 2nd world war, it was the British Lancaster bomber that made the difference in the early stages, not that flying fortress thingy, that just got shot out of the sky.

4. What is the point in discussing who is better than who if we're all chums???

Has anyone noticed that UK's sitcoms are so much more funny than American sitcoms? Another point is that Americans are stealing all of our programs eg. 'Who wants to be a millionare?'
'Pop Idol' (even though its crap.

Well that was a good waste of time.:D

[eidderf]

Yeah and you nearly killed that news reporter from panorama
(not that I like panorama)
but I forgive you

[squealpiggy]

The technology used in Iraq was largely used to avoid civilian casualties. It would have been easy to level the place with nukes or even with daisycutter bombs, but this would be at a far greater cost of civilian life.

The Vietnam war was a big big mistake, with the US military thinking that they could use superior technology and numbers to fight a war that they knew nothing about.

[Dr-Electro]

Wrong again, Squealpiggy and you might as well listen to what I have to say this time because I was in the thick of it all.

In the first place, we entered the conflict in Viet Nam as a courtesy to the French, who had wanked themselves to death by trying to make Frenchmen out of the Viet Namese. Eiesenhower added more "Military Advisors" (my ass!) to the mess already present in the jungles.

Then, we started sending troops to protect the advisors. We were not allowed to shoot first, because "The U. S. had not specifically declared war against North Viet Nam." More bureaucratic bullshit. We also had trouble identifying the enemy from the ally, since they were all short, brown and had one hell of a tendency to dress alike.

We were also handicapped by Washington's fear that the Chinese would get involved. (Bullshit again, they were involved up to their chopsticks.) So, we stumbled through the jungles wondering how long it would be before we got shot in the back.

For some of us, it didn't take long. Think about it, you go to war in a non-war, the enemy can shoot at you but you can only shoot back if you can "document" that the enemy was actually taking hostile action against you. If he was shooting up your buddies in the next hamlet over, you didn't dare go in to support your buddies. If they got killed it was on them. Same concept applied to you, if you were in a firefight, nobody else was supposed to come to your aid. Is that any way to run a war? Hell, no!

Ok, I shot first on occasion. Usually, I was super-sneaky, like the rest of my special ops buddies. We did the dirty work and were not allowed to talk about it. We could have won in Viet Nam, but Washington wouldn't let us. It really sucked.

I knew how to live off the jungle. I knew how to fight and survive in the jungle. I knew the enemy and his dirty tricks. I knew more dirty tricks than the enemy did. I came back all in one piece and so did all the other guys in my unit. Or motto was "No buddy left behind." Yeah, Bush plagiarized that slogan, too, the liar.

So, boys, before you get too saucy with the putdowns about Viet Nam, just remember that I am here to set you straight. I will not tolerate any bullshit from anybody when it comes to that.

For the record: consider it a loss if it makes you feel bigger at somebody else's expense, but Gerald "the chicken" Ford pulled the U. S. military out of Viet Nam. He made us leave.

I was there at the fall of Saigon, too. I can tell you exactly how badly that sucked, but I won't. Some of the things I saw there still give me nightmares.

Can either of you truthfully say you are as brave a warrior as I am? Now shut the fuck up about Viet Nam since you know doodly shit.

[squealpiggy]

I think you have been quite abusive towards me over the last couple of posts. I'm always open to new information so there's no need to get nasty about it, and there is no way I would attempt to state that I am a "braver warrior" than you, or try and make out that I know more about the vietnam conflict than you do.

Do you think that the Vietnam war was a mistake?

[Pod]

Originally posted by Dr-Electro
Now shut the fuck up about Viet Nam since you know doodly shit.


You're such a warm, loving moderator

[felixdahousecat]

Pod wouldn't you be pissed off and go on the defensive if you had fought in an extremely brutal war only to have some kid come along and start spouting bullshit without being in possesion of all the facts 1st hand

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by felixdahousecat
Pod wouldn't you be pissed off and go on the defensive if you had fought in an extremely brutal war only to have some kid come along and start spouting bullshit without being in possesion of all the facts 1st hand

Firstly I'm not "some kid". Secondly the only thing I said about vietnam was that is was a big mistake and the American military had no idea what it was getting into.
It's hardly spouting bullshit, unless you believe that Vietnam was not a mistake and that the American military fully expected what subsequently happened. I admit that I am not very knowledgeable about vietnam but that's why I mentioned it here, because if I am wrong I want to be told that I am wrong and have it explained to me, that way I will learn.

But the last thing this thread needs is for it to split into factions with people sticking up for me and people sticking up for Dr Electro because neither myself nor Electro would be on either side.

[felixdahousecat]

fair do's

[cliffhanger]

Originally posted by TrulsRohk17
Hmmm, lets see here what can i say. To the people who decided that "briatin" is so called the better of the two, how come the U.S. left them for being sucha crappy ruling nation, and how come we (the U.S.) always get stuck protecting most other peolples countires and not Britain just sits around and loses all its once so colonies of long ago. Plus we got better porn hahaha. :D

I make my own porn! (I wish).

Did you get your username from a Terry Brooks book by any chance? I just recently finished reading The Voyage of the Jerkle Shannara. 'Twas indeed a fine read.

Anyway, The Vietnam conflict from 1965 to 75 is something you can read about in the history books. Any book written usually will contain some bias but the people who were not involved or are too young are still entitled to an opinion based on the information that is available. Dr Electro I do not think you should be to hard on those who do not have the undestanding that you have gained through your experiences as long as they do take on board first hand information that you give. I personally have a lot of respect for our (UK) and the US military as they are fine troops but remember that you will also have a biased opinion when it comes to discussing certain issues. Felixdahousecat, no one ever has "all the facts".

[ZekeyLizard]

There is so much anger and useless hate in this topic.

[squealpiggy]

That comment made me angry and I now hate you, but in a useless kind of way!

Cliffhanger, fair comment.

I reckon this thread has pretty much run out of steam now, but I would like to remind you that I love each and every one of you!

[ZekeyLizard]

Even Me?

[Sloth]

i don't know much about the Viet Nam conflict... but all i can say... being a son of a vet... I don't think the war was unjust... But, just like the Iraq War that is going on... it was horribly mismanaged... and after the Americans being involved... we did the worst thing possible... We pulled out... i have read that ~2.5 million S. Vietnamese people paid a huge price for america pulling out it's troops and aid... and i'm very ashamed knowing this happened...

[Dr-Electro]

Originally posted by Pod
You're such a warm, loving moderator

Try not pushing so many buttons at the same time. Honestly and as gently as I can put it: If you aren't sure that what you are saying is true, look it up. Pure conjecture is a quick way to het things up in certain circles.

There is a warning at the description of this forum tha things can become heated and feisty. Squealpiggy, I was not directing any of that stream of invective at you. I'll try to warn you to duck next time.

A little background: Ever since my older brother came home from his first tour of duty in 'Nam, which was before I left for my own first tour, I have felt like I am on the defensive every time the subject arises. He was subjected to abuse by total strangers in places he had only passed through before.

I shared the same experience myself repeatedly over the following six years. Every time people would see me in uniform, with the notable exceptions of the cities of San Diego and Chicago, I would hear such loving comments as, "Look! There's one of those @!$ !!!$ baby killers! Hey! Baby killer! Shot any infants in cold blood today?" and " I think all you military goons should be lined up and shot dead for what you did over there in Viet Nam!"

One elderly woman in my own home town cursed me loud and long in the street because her son died in Viet Nam and I didn't. She said that she held me personally responsible for her son's death because I was still alive and I had been involved in the military. That was a painful experieince.

Every college professor, whether in Social Studies or Language Arts or Mathematics or Sand Shoveling wanted to take every Viet Nam vet to task for the whole shebang as though he or she were personally responsible for everything that happened there, even before we were born.

I was told by one Government professor that all military personnel were leeches on the economy because military pay was social welfare and that none of us should ever receive a penny of pay, let alone any form of assistance from the Veterans Administration. He thought the idea of taking care of paid thugs after they retired from gratuitous killing of innocent people should be a crime punishable by life at hard labor.

Every time anyone other than another American Viet Nam vet hears that I was over there, I get the same song and dance all over again: "America sucks because America lost the Viet Nam War." "American military people suck because they fought in Viet Nam." "Viet Nam was a mistake and every single G.I. who fought there was a volunteer. The draft never happened, you all went because you just wanted to kill people." "As a social experiment, Viet Nam should have been left off the American agenda. Everybody who went over there to fight is a traitor and shoud have refused to go, even if you would have had to go to prison for it."

The list goes on. My apologies to anyone who feels my indignation is unjustified. If my harsh words and evil demeanor have hurt you in any way, sorry mate, but that's just me. I'm still a little raw around the edges after thirty years of shit for something that was beyond my control. It all begins to sound the same after a while.

The rest of you can do as you please in this thread from this moment forth. I will now unsubscribe from this travesty of a debate and good riddance.

[squealpiggy]

I have two uncles, three cousins and many friends that have served in the military, most of them have been in combat, my uncles in the Falklands, my cousins in Kosovo, and I have the utmost respect for the profession.

College professors that want to "take you to task" should be reminded that first they would need a lengthy osteopathic procedure to help them uncurve their spines, thereby removing their head from their ass.

My task for the week is to find out a little more about Vietnam.

[eidderf]

briatin
Sorry but what the hell is that
You spell it right

[pie chicken]

arghhh can't any american see that britain (esp england,Bristol) is a million times better than america

a)we have ORIGINAL ideas that are not stolen from other countries

b)most of us are not disgustingly obese

c)we have nice food

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by pie chicken
arghhh can't any american see that britain (esp england,Bristol) is a million times better than america

a)we have ORIGINAL ideas that are not stolen from other countries

b)most of us are not disgustingly obese

c)we have nice food

We're catching up in the obesity stakes, food in America because of it's large immigrant population, is very very good and certainly more varied than ours and America does in fact have some ideas that are not stolen from other countries.

[pie chicken]

you know i have a large gloarfndjnioagidrjdn

[Pod]

Is that peonspeak for "spamming ability"

[pie chicken]

WTF IS SPAMMING ABILITY, i was just being odd because that is what i am ODD odd odd odd odd odd odd odd odd odd MUSHROOMS

[pie chicken]

:nana: :nana: Im so sad, have you somthing agaisnt odd, hyper fun,happy people I just am what i am i express my feelings, you are an oppresser to our odd. I f there was no odd in the world we would not have badgers:bb: , weebl and bob :weebl: and other hilarious cartoons Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I laugh in your face

[pie chicken]

so everyones against me now and how is it mundane

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by Pinkerbell
Gods, I hope that was a joke... :rolleyes:

Actually the food is good in Britain as we too have a large immigrant population. Any big city can get you superb food from many different cultures, but the particular speciality is curry. Yes it is Indian and Pakistani food but many dishes were invented here nd now it's the most popular food, but it's superb. I have never had anything as good in North America (up until I move there, I know a few mean recipes myself) of that kind.

The best East Asian food I have had is in Toronto.

[pie chicken]

yes the best food is italian or indian

[Sloth]

haha.. i made you double post...

mundane as in.. you think your being odd... but you're not... you're just doing what every flaming troll does in your position...

Edit: btw... last weekend i have fell in love with sushi...

[pie chicken]

what the hell is wrong with double posting

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by Sloth
haha.. i made you double post...

mundane as in.. you think your being odd... but you're not... you're just doing what every flaming troll does in your position...

Edit: btw... last weekend i have fell in love with sushi...

Sushi from Queen Street West in Toronto, there are a million japanese and Korean restaurants, and they are awesome!

One time a few of us got sushi and one of my mates went to the toilet so I picked up some of his sushi and spread a big dollop of wasabi on the bottom. Oh how we laughed thwn his eyes started to water!

[Sloth]

~note: do not eat sushi with squealpiggy, or atleast use the potty before the food arrives~

[pie chicken]

ok what position am i meant to be in mr sloth

[Pod]

Originally posted by pie chicken
what the hell is wrong with double posting

that join date of NOV 2003 just jabbed me in the eye with a giant pointy stick.
i take it this is your first forum experience?

[canadian cub]

hey, the usa is a real crapshoot. being from canada, and living is a liberal paradise, i believe Bush is a jerk. :rawk:
Go france, and iceland is very cool. almost as cool as canada.

[canadian cub]

yes.

[squealpiggy]

Canadian club is bad whiskey.

[Ouroboros]

Britain is better.

America is filled with idiots and fundamentalists.

This guy (http://www.spies.com/~gus/ran/0012/antiporn/)

These people (http://www.godhatesfags.com/)

And all the lying Christian Rights movements trying to make state religions and persecuting atheists.

And the food and sports suck.

[squealpiggy]

Is that anti porn guy for real? Or is it a joke? I want it to be a joke so badly, like landoverbaptist.org or something.

Although it has to be said that we have this collection of genius (http://www.bnp.org.uk/) that hold positions of power in such hotspots of mental eptitude as Burnley and Oldham.

[Ouroboros]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
Is that anti porn guy for real? Or is it a joke? I want it to be a joke so badly, like landoverbaptist.org or something.

No, I'm afraid he is serious.

[Ked]

Benny Hill was God.

[squealpiggy]

Benny Hill was rubbish! Ronny Barker is where it's at. Porridge was such a good programme, as was Open All Hours. "Ger-g-ger-g-g-ger-Granville!"

[Dude]

Jethro is one of the best comedians in the world.

[king of all pie]

americans always boast about their army (which can never be a good thing anyway), but britain can claim to have the regiment that has the most vigorous training in the world. the SAS, but like i said this shouldn't be rejoiced over, as this is what causes wars. but there is one thing that the uk (along with other countries like belgium) does better than america and that is chocolate. Everyone who i've known who's gone to america says that chocolate there tastes like cheese (i don't know how true that is, but several people have mentioned it) personally i'd prefer some cadbury's dairy milk to a lump of edam.

[squealpiggy]

Terry Pratchett makes that joke about chocolate comparing British chocolate to French or Belgian chocolateand saying that in Belgium, British cocolate is officially classed as cheese. Because it is mostly milk, see? Putting Belgian chocolate in the same category as British chocolate is like organising a game of icehockey between the Canadian olympic team and a basket of slugs.

[Reddig]

"Shut up! Shut up you American. You always talk, you Americans, you talk and you talk and say 'Let me tell you something' and 'I just wanna say this', Well you're dead now, so shut up."


"Be quiet! You Englishmen... You're all so fucking pompous and none of you have got any balls."

[fat bear]

wow, that anti-porn guy is a little bit of a mental case!
and what's up with the part of invading our homes, isn't that an invasion of personal privacy and searching a home without a warrant

[ZekeyLizard]

Has anyone noticed that this thread has really only made the problem of bad feelings between British and Americans worse?

[fat bear]

Yes Zeke it has. But let me also point out that probably only Britan and America, as a whole, have the brains to debate about a topic like this one and like the many other ones in the forums. So what if it makes things worse between us. It all basically stays inside the debate forum anyways. And even if it does, none of us, by ourselves, have much of any political power over the next person (except Wally-leader of the raisins).

[squealpiggy]

Au contrair this thread has made me want to hug Americans!

[smong]

Monte Python there we go Britain wins:p

[GorillaBearBear]

My dad's bigger than your dad...

[Zuckuss]

THe phrase "jelped US own in WWII" earlier in this thread ignores that the US didn't come in until the latter part of the war.

[flibbles]

anyone ever think that people are people, whatever race they are?

i'm english and i cant stand the place, i cant stand the US either. i just generally h8 everything;)

[Rogue]

Originally posted by malcolio
Britain made America, therefore, if America is good at anything, we founded America and so really America's achievements are ours. If America did anything stupid, it has nothing to do with us. :D Go GB, boo US!!! :p

Britain did not make america. There were many settlers from other countries who helped make america.

america made america. Since 1776 we have not had any ties with britain and that is when things started to go uphill :p

But I really do like Britain because i think it had a positive cultural influence on america.

[NBGreenDay]

Ah this thread was carried out under my nose. For a historical stat battle be sure ti visit Plattbridger vs NBGreenDay in the US vs UK thread somewhere in this forum. Oh and btw Squealpiggy, youre very correct on America's depedance on France in the Revo. war. And on Canada's defenses in 1812, but dont forget the battle of New Orleans in that war when an outnumbered,outtrained,and out supplied army of Americans and Pirates fended off the superior brits.

[squealpiggy]

True but like with the Battle of Hastings we brits don't like to remember getting beat!

[Playbus]

I'm a bit of a paradox because I'm English but my wife is American......

[flibbles]

i like Americans, i like english people, i dont like the countries or the history though...they seem too cruel:nana:

[spongmonkey]

Originally posted by smong
Monte Python there we go Britain wins:p
Execellent point.
Originally posted by flibbles
anyone ever think that people are people, whatever race they are?

i'm english and i cant stand the place, i cant stand the US either. i just generally h8 everything;)
A better one. I've never been able to understand patriotism. It just makes people hate other people more. And in mon avi neither nation has much to be proud of. In fact they should both be ashamed because they fucked the world up big time.
Im from the UK and i absolutely fecking hate it. But I like many of the people... well i like some of the people... well actually i hate all people. but thats not the point. Both countries have some great sides, but they have more that are just truly awful.

I wonder If Canada's anybetter *goes away to browse Canadian holiday brochures*.

[cliffhanger]

Regarding spongmonkey's comment that the UK and US have ruined the world. This could be perceived as true but how exactly have they fucked up the world? Yes the US has a poor foreign policy and the UK seem's to have lost it's wedding ring up the US's arse which is why the UK follows the US around with it's hand stuck up it's batty (anyone seen Say it isn't so?) but no country in the world is innocent. Name one major country that hasn't had a war at some time in it's history or had some leader that commited some sort of atrocity? Making out that the US and UK are the bad guys all the time just because the US is the most powerful is short sighted. I think the US can be a bully on a fairly regular basis but should they then let a smaller weaker country kick the shit out of them? If they do that today then we'll never find out how Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader.

PS. Americans make me laugh. To find out why just ask one of their college students a question about geography. Point out Asia on a map and ask them to show you the town of Kamasutra. then and sit back and feel superior through their lack of knowledge.

[renatzu]

originally posted by squelpiggy
The Rebels in the revolutionary war did very little in most battles apart from getting totally killed. The French won that war
Someone may have addressed this, but the French didn't win the war. They refused to eneter until the U.S. started winning on it's own. They wanted to make sure there was a chance of beating Britain.

And about the anti-porn guy, most people aren't like that, it's a ridiculous stereotype. Most people I know, even the Catholics, are liberals who despise Bush.

[BigEgg]

I'd just like to say something on the matter, it is MONTY Python not Monte Python

[MrPlowHamburglr]

Well I've read the thread up to this point without posting and it seems to have run the gamut from ignorant 12 year olds spouting off about politics and history when they don't know what continent they live on, all the way to Dr-Electro's personal and serious posts on Vietnam. Wow.

Anyways,

america made america. Since 1776 we have not had any ties with britain and that is when things started to go uphill

I might have to disagree with the above quote for the following things that have occured since 1776:

Wars!

Extreme racism

Extreme disparity in wealth between the classes and terrible labor laws

Jingoism and extreme self-centeredness

The subversion of the American media and the crappy American Education system (Here's a little bit of trivia that probably wasn't in your lil' patriot brand textbooks: Henry Ford was basically an anti-semitic Nazi)

On the other hand, the US has given much to the world, in science, politics, the arts, etc.


Basically my point is that this thread bites of a little more than we can chew in examining the US alone, nevermind comparing it to the UK, but still there have definitly been some worthwhile posts.

[NBGreenDay]

lo third party