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weeblsmymum
06-11-2003, 08:40 AM
The British government is gonna be cracking down on fireworks, people possesing them under 18 get fines and no fireworks after 11 O'clock and possibly no fireworks at all apart from professional displays.

Personally, I don't give a damn. Kids near where I live set off fireworks all night and throw them at passers by. Plus they scare my dog. And I've never been that bothered about fireworks. Apart from at the big displays, then they can be rather nice.

What does everyone else think?
squealpiggy
06-11-2003, 09:52 AM
I think that someone i the government is making a big deal about fireworks as a handy seasonal way to pretend they are doing something abut things that people care about so that they don't have to make difficult decisions like re-privatising the rail networks or hiking taxes to pay for better healthcare and prison reform.

It's easy to rush in a law about something like fireworks which noone gives a damn about for about 363 days a year.
felixdahousecat
06-11-2003, 10:00 AM
I think finreworks should be more strongly regulated, especially as some little scally twat threw one at my car yesterday, i wouldn't have minded so much except i had my baby daughter in the car with me, he ran off before he could get the beating he deserved
Ked
06-11-2003, 02:53 PM
I agree. Tighter restrictions does need to be put on fireworks. The little shits that chuck the fireworks about, are not only ruining it for us that want private shows, and are also a danger to people.

I remember last year that this 15 year old girl went into shops asking for fireworks, and got served twice. This of course was covered by the local paper, as they wanted to see whether the shops that sell fireworks keep to the law.

I reckon that the smaller shops shouldn't sell fireworks, as they do tend to end in the hands of young people. Supermarkets however, should be able to sell them.
3v1l |\/|1NiOn
06-11-2003, 03:00 PM
Only professional displays should be allowed to have fireworks. Shops selling them to the public is stupid, because you get all the arseholes throwing them around


I hate this time of year, haloween and guy fawkes night, meaning loadsa hyper kids with fireworks

good game
Atanvarne
06-11-2003, 06:48 PM
I like fireworks.. everyone else.. is a loser..
Dr-Electro
06-11-2003, 08:16 PM
I live in a drought-prone area of the Western United States, namely the Western United States. At times the news media make it seem like the whole damn country West of the Mississippi is burning to the ground. It's a little less drastic than that.

Given the dry nature of the ample vegetation (mostly brittle, brown grass that burns like gunpowder) and dead trees and people's litter (damn them) I think Fireworks should be banned outright, with the exception of professional displays.

Of course, this being the "Wild West" people behave like bastards anyway. The restrictions on fireworks mean no more to them than speed limits in school zones. Absolutely nothing. These moronic freaks spend all their money on fireworks right before New Year's Eve and right before July 4. Those are the two big days for fireworks in America.

Every year, late June and early July are a test of stamina and fortitude for our beleaguered firefighters, because Bubba (common male redneck name) and Sissy (common female redneck name) and Sancho (common Mexican reference to an irresponsible man) and Chica (common Mexican reference to an irresponsible woman) all go bug-fuck with the fireworks and set the land ablaze. Sometimes they start fires in the country, other times they start fires in town.

Every year, there is at least one gruesome story of at least one child being severely injured by fireworks. Last year, a six-year-old boy was blinded when his uncle shot him in the face, point-blank with a Roman candle. When I read the account in the newspaper, I wanted to go right downstairs and beat the living Hell out of the fool. That's right, it happened inside the apartment below the one I live in! They got evicted and the moron uncle is in prison, serves the bastard right!

Eh, it's just my opinion. If you want to have fun with explosive devices and incendiaries, have fun. But if you endanger me, don't expect me to be happy about it.:evil:
Ferret Pie
07-11-2003, 07:24 PM
Fireworks are great and young people can't buy them anyway. When they do get hold of them they often get hurt, this is why in my school there are posters of someone who played with fireworks. I suppose it is a problem if people throw them but they generally don't do any more harm than electrics. Besides which it only happens twice a year really so there is little time in which people can get hurt. If people ban fireworks it will just be yet another restriction on our fun and rocket skates would be hard to make.The government should worry more about guns, especially in america where they can be bought as easily as fireworks. If fireworks were banned except in special displays then it would just tie up the police force with stubborn old people dedicated to tradition and hindus trying to celbrate diwali.
squealpiggy
07-11-2003, 11:55 PM
I set up some fireworks today for my neice. It was good, we could do it from the garden. Making them illegal would be bloody stupid, that would be like banning driving because some idiot crashed a car and killed someone. You can't penalise everyone for the crimes of the arseholes.

Of course there was one complaint. About a dozen households got to watch fireworks but one fool complained because a rocket hit his bay window. Nice try but we didn't have any rockets!
Pod
08-11-2003, 12:48 AM
its nice they anounced this AFTER bonfire night ;)
Dr-Electro
09-11-2003, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by Ferret Pie
The government should worry more about guns, especially in america where they can be bought as easily as fireworks.

I just love reading posts based on ignorance. Buying guns here in the United States, where I have lived most of my life, has become increasingly difficult with every passing year. In 1980, an American could purchase handguns, rifles and shotguns in grocery stores, drug stores and feom mail order catalogs. Those days are long gone, now.

There is a fourteen day waiting period in effect for handgun purchases. A person must pass a criminal background check before being issued a permit to buy a gun. The application is for a specific gun: make, model, serial number and all other details of the sale go on record. Photo IDs are required. No, the system is not perfect. Yes, criminals still manage to get guns, mostly by illegal means which they have always preferred.

Fireworks, in most states, can be purchased by anyone over the age of 18, but most fireworks stand operators don't bother to check. They will sell fireworks to anyone tall enough to put money on the counter. The counters are not very high.

Before you make such statements, check your facts. Some of us get tired of being ragged on by ignorant foreigners who don't know which end they are talking out of. Not to mention the fact the America is always capitalized. We are as sovreign a nation as any other, thank you.
-Yami-Kitty-
09-11-2003, 05:29 AM
Here is retarded Lawrence, Kansas... it's illegal to even shoot fireworks (even on holidays woo)

-.o!
squealpiggy
09-11-2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Dr-Electro
I just love reading posts based on ignorance. Buying guns here in the United States, where I have lived most of my life, has become increasingly difficult with every passing year. In 1980, an American could purchase handguns, rifles and shotguns in grocery stores, drug stores and feom mail order catalogs. Those days are long gone, now.

There is a fourteen day waiting period in effect for handgun purchases. A person must pass a criminal background check before being issued a permit to buy a gun. The application is for a specific gun: make, model, serial number and all other details of the sale go on record. Photo IDs are required. No, the system is not perfect. Yes, criminals still manage to get guns, mostly by illegal means which they have always preferred.

Fireworks, in most states, can be purchased by anyone over the age of 18, but most fireworks stand operators don't bother to check. They will sell fireworks to anyone tall enough to put money on the counter. The counters are not very high.

Before you make such statements, check your facts. Some of us get tired of being ragged on by ignorant foreigners who don't know which end they are talking out of. Not to mention the fact the America is always capitalized. We are as sovreign a nation as any other, thank you.

The problem that say, the British have with the ease in which Americans can purchase handguns isn't that criminals might get them, criminals will get them anyway. The fact is that in America everyone has a constitutional right to own weapons, so this means that if you are a criminal about to rob someone then the person you are robbing could well possess a legally owned weapon. If you are a housebreaker you need three things. You need gloves so you don't leave a print, you need a means of breaking a window, and you need a bag to put your loot in. That is what most burglars have in Britain. If you are breaking into a house in which the occupants are going to have a gun guess what else you need? You need a gun.

Of course most people who own a gun won't be that into the idea of shooting someone in cold blood. But to a drug addict criminal there is no such moral issue. Making guns freely avaiable (and a criminal background check and 14 day waiting period IS freely available by our standards where you need approval from a Justice of the Peace on review of a character reference from professionals such as priests or doctors to get a SHOTGUN - handguns are illegal) means that criminals have more reason to purchase and carry and even use weapons than if it was nigh on impossible to own a gun.
ZekeyLizard
09-11-2003, 07:34 PM
I learned something this Halloween my friends....


Never sit on a bottle rocket cause someone dared you to.
fat bear
09-11-2003, 09:58 PM
oh, i'll never forget that face you had when you sat on that rocket
(laughing with tears)

but one reason they may be doing this is that England is a much smaller country than america with much older, accident prone buildings all-around the whole damn place. i guess you'll just have to stick to controlled fireworks from now on!
Dr-Electro
10-11-2003, 04:09 AM
I am also a proponent of gun control. I do not own a handgun. I do not own a hunting rifle. I have an antique shotgun that I inherited, but I have no ammunition for it or any other gun. The shotgun does not even have a firing pin.

What you say about burglars has some merit. However, there are more shooting deaths of unarmed civilians than killings by criminals being threatened with private firearms. Criminals in the U. S. like to kill people. They also like to rape and plunder, even torture their victims. In my eyes this does not mean that all civilians should own handguns for self defense purposes. I am still against the idea of people owning handguns, whether criminal or not.

The U. S. still needs stronger gun control measures, even if it means amending the constitution to repeal the right to keep and bear arms. I just object to the concept that handguns are as easy to purchase as fireworks are. It is simply not true, no matter how you phrase your argument nor where you are from.

I am in favor of stricter gun control. I would support an amendment to the constitution repealing the right to keep and bear arms.
squealpiggy
10-11-2003, 06:52 AM
In some states it is easier to gain firearms than fireworks. Particularly in some Southern states where fireworks are prohibited but rifles are de rigeur!

As for England being smaller with much older buildings, England's older buildings are made of stone, in the US there is more wood used for building materials whereas in the UK wood tends to be used for support rather than construction.
Dr-Electro
11-11-2003, 04:25 AM
Squealpiggy, I have no idea where you get your information, but it is so non-factual it makes you come off sounding like a dumbass deluxe. You tell me when you were over here to buy guns and how successful you were, eh? That's what I thought, you are making up bullshit again just to make yourself look taller in your own eyes. Find some facts to back up your claims! Otherwise, just tell the truth about what you know. There is not one place in the United States where firearms are as easy to purchase as fireworks. Fireworks are legal in Southern states, the fireworks stores are owned by the state governments!

The only truth in the matter is that in two states you can buy fireworks from the state, but it is illegal to shoot them off. That's Southern lawmaking at its finest.
squealpiggy
11-11-2003, 07:05 AM
I wouldn't be able to buy a gun in the US as I am not a citizen, I don't have a constitutional right to bear arms. There's no need to be insulting about it. I watched the movie Bowling for Columbine and unless that was entirely fictional it seems fairly easy in some locations to purchase firearms. I am also aware that in some states it is illegal to let off fireworks, ergo I would assume that there would be noone selling them. Seeing as it is your constitutional right to buy firearms a state cannot overrule this so it figures that in the states in which fireworks are banned it is easier to buy firearms legally than it is to buy fireworks. Forgive me if I am wrong about this but if that is the impression that foreigners get of the US then to be frank you need some better PR.
felixdahousecat
11-11-2003, 04:45 PM
If you didn't have a right to bear arms would that mean u couldn't wear a t-shirt in public... a ha ha ha haaa! sorry

Hurray! I agree Dr. E, the USA needs much more gun restriction, in my opinion (being a staunch pacifist) a gun is never a defensive weapon and owning one is not necessary for your average bloke.
Also i would like to point out that even if a person has had a background and criminal record check before they are allowed a gun it does not mean that they do not intend using it to commit a crime, it just means that they have never been caught.
Pod
11-11-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Dr-Electro
Squealpiggy, I have no idea where you get your information, but it is so non-factual it makes you come off sounding like a dumbass deluxe. You tell me when you were over here to buy guns and how successful you were, eh? That's what I thought, you are making up bullshit again just to make yourself look taller in your own eyes. Find some facts to back up your claims! Otherwise, just tell the truth about what you know. There is not one place in the United States where firearms are as easy to purchase as fireworks. Fireworks are legal in Southern states, the fireworks stores are owned by the state governments!

The only truth in the matter is that in two states you can buy fireworks from the state, but it is illegal to shoot them off. That's Southern lawmaking at its finest.


Ever watched Michael Moores "bowling for columbine" ?
I'd say signing up to a bank to get a free gun is a DAMN SIGHT easier than BUYING fireworks.
squealpiggy
11-11-2003, 04:58 PM
Maybe there are banks where if you sign up you get free fireworks!

For the record I thnk that Dr Electro is awesome which only made his comments all the more cutting...
fat bear
11-11-2003, 08:47 PM
stop sucking-up to Dr. Electro
do you realize how bad that sounds?

Yes, Dr. Electro posts strongly opinionated, thought out posts because that is who he is. They can either be right or wrong. By you sucking-up to him, it makes you seem lesser. Just stick to your ideas, but don't make them your beliefs.
Dr-Electro
13-11-2003, 04:09 AM
No, Pod, I have never watched Bowling for Columbine and I don't intend to. I have (vicariously through the news media) relived that horrible day too many times already. Rachel Scott's father visited the school where I work last month and I had a hard time containing my emotions then. I hate seeing kids hurt. Killing them is much worse.

However, the issue of signing up at a bank for free firearms is never to happen again, if there is any sense in anyone alive today. I think the constitution should have an anti-stupidity clause in it just for people like those bankers. Lock them up for the good of society, eh?
squealpiggy
13-11-2003, 07:23 AM
We had Dunblane, where a man broke into a primary school and started shooting. Awful thing, and as a result of that handguns are now completely illegal. You cannot own a handgun even with a license and membership of a shooting club. The only people with handguns are some members of the police (only after extensive training) and officers in the military.
Ferret Pie
13-11-2003, 08:47 PM
Yeah, firearms are really hard to get hold of legally in the uk. On the continent it is alot easier, you can get a pocelain gun (can't be seen on metal detectors) if you make up a french adress.
Dr.Electro, maybe it's just some states where you can get a gun if you're over 18. I don't know because i'm not particularly interested in guns. Last i checked you can order an uzi over the internet from an american site though.
patdude
13-11-2003, 09:12 PM
hey whats this about fire works its like 7-8 months till july forth and like a month and a half till newyears? any who fire works is awesome i love fire and fire works yall suck who dont
squealpiggy
13-11-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by patdude
hey whats this about fire works its like 7-8 months till july forth and like a month and a half till newyears? any who fire works is awesome i love fire and fire works yall suck who dont

Guy Fawkes night is the 5th of November in the UK, we celebrate Guido Fawkes being caught and tortured and tried for treason after failing to blow up the Houses of Parliament and spark a Catholic revolution in Britain.
patdude
13-11-2003, 09:17 PM
i love fire works
patdude
13-11-2003, 09:20 PM
whos that
patdude
13-11-2003, 09:21 PM
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13-11-2003, 09:24 PM
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13-11-2003, 09:25 PM
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patdude
13-11-2003, 09:26 PM
same thing i said up there
Smeagle
13-11-2003, 10:14 PM
Patdude, click here (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22).

Don't come back :)
Dr-Electro
14-11-2003, 03:25 AM
The temptation to cheese grows with every post from patdude. Where's Zekey when we need him to grate the cheese?
Scribbly
17-11-2003, 10:53 AM
Fireworks are fun and all, but kids aren't carefull enough. Personally, I'll just skip the whole 'let's but lots of fireworks and fire them all night' part this year and just go into town and have good time...
Cossack
17-11-2003, 06:54 PM
Fireworks' laws suck. In USA, in some states, they are just illegal as a whole. In Russia, where I came from, anyone can use them. They are sold in stores. You can choose from a huge rocket to a "noisy bee"(the on that spins and flies up with a very loud high pitch sound). On New Year's Eve my whole town was exploding. Everyone was poping something. The "bombings" continued from 6PM to 6AM of the next day.


patdude, you name doesn't suit you. You have a bad attitude(atdude)...
Wahoo
17-11-2003, 07:21 PM
* reported *
Dr-Electro
19-11-2003, 02:41 AM
There are many reasons I like to stay home on New Years Eve and enjoy the quiet. The rest of you celebrate it any way you like, but stay clear of my home with your fireworks, please. I occasionally have flashbacks to the jungles of Viet Nam.

Tonight, I feel fine, however.:D
Fruiterian
19-11-2003, 02:54 AM
Fireworks are pretty much banned where I live, with the exception of professional displays and those little midget sparklers, which aren't even incrediby readily available.

Go over to another state nearby and there's billboards advertising fireworks.

fireworks are quite dangerous, even in their chemical composition. (there was something about fireworks in my chem book... but i left it in my locker.) they really are quite reactive, and they're not innocent: fireworks are explosions. think of how they originated.

Just thinking about the average teenage population and thinking of what would happen if they had their hands on fireworks makes me shudder.

and the sound. gah. the sound is enough to outlaw them. it's a disturbance to the neighbors and such.
squealpiggy
19-11-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Dr-Electro
There are many reasons I like to stay home on New Years Eve and enjoy the quiet. The rest of you celebrate it any way you like, but stay clear of my home with your fireworks, please. I occasionally have flashbacks to the jungles of Viet Nam.

Tonight, I feel fine, however.:D

You scary scary man!

Fireworks are great in the hands of responsible adults, but lousy in the hands of irresponsible kids. To me I think the biggest concern is not whether or not they should be sold, but what we can do to stop them finding thir way into the hands of groups of young teenagers who think that it's funny to throw them at council workers like some idiot schoolkids did this morning.