Metal Detectors in School

[ZekeyLizard]

America.
Horrible violent kids.....or just misunderstood?


Metal detectors are popping up all around our Nation and I'm just curious about what you fellows and felletes feel.

Dont use this thread just to flame america please. Fanta stay away from this thread. Far away.

[squealpiggy]

I find it bizarre that they should be necessary, and I would question their usefulness. The tendency seems to be to exaggerate any danger and take it all out of proportion. Did all this stem from Columbine? Because I haven't heard of any other similar events in American schools, and if there wasn't any other school shootings, well then we should have metal detectors here after Dunblane.

More recently was this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/3242891.stm) whereby a school kid was stabbed through the heart in a fight, so it's a matter of time before going to class is like getting on a plane.

[SDF of BC]

Its silly to have metal detectors in schools you just shouldn't need them.

I think the parents of some children are partly to blame and why do they carry knives around anywayz!

[Cherokee Red]

More recently was this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/3242891.stm) whereby a school kid was stabbed through the heart in a fight, so it's a matter of time before going to class is like getting on a plane. [/B][/QUOTE]

I read that on the train the other day. It made me me feel quite sick that someone could do that!!

Where I live (Central Scotland) Schools & Colleges doesn't have metal detectors, or anything like it. Sometimes I wish thay did, because the kids that live around my area wouldn't think twice about carrying sharp metal objects - knifes, etc.
I know they wouldn't think twice about guns either.
I can hardly walk to the bottom of my hill (bout 500 yards long!!!!)
without thinking that someone's gonna jump out and attack me.
I've been jumped 2 time already, extremeley close to my house (i.e. lke the next street over) and i get threats all the time.
Not coz i've done any thing. I think they just see me as an easy target.

Anyway. . .metal detectors - i say good idea

[Spoo]

I read about the stabbing in "Metro". Alsoread this morning about a boy who was tortured before being killed. It seems like over here in the UK some schools just aren't as safe as they should be.

Everyday I take the bus from work into Birmingham city centre. I always overhear convesations from school age children. This includes discussing what weapons they and their friends have access to. It is common for them to boast about siblings or parents (even friends) that are currently in prison and what crimes they have comitted. This is in an area where there are gangs and regular shootings. (Perry Barr/Aston/Lozells). I moved away from this area because it wasn't safe.

I think yes metal detectors are a good idea. I think they should search the students. Even if it means lossing time at the beggining and end of the day, weapons should nto be permitted in schools! People would argue its intrusive to search students but once people start taking knives and guns to school i think they lose their rights to privacy!

I think the culture of viloence and deviance needs to be stopped. How i dont know. Suspending kids from school gives them more time on the streets. Sending them to detention centres or prisons potentialy sets them up for a life of crime. Kids like this need to be offered an alternative if school is boring and they turn to truancy and deviance then school has to change to hold their attention.

Things like this are just another aspect of our society that is just falling apart at the seams. I wonder how long it will be before nowhere is safe?

[squealpiggy]

I have to admit I would not like to be going to school nowadays. They are like prisons where your crime is being school age, survival of the fittest, bullying, favouritism. Terrible.

I reckon that there should be a return to old style teaching methods, everyone sits in rows, they teach complicated stuff, they have regular gym class which has physical excercise so that the students are too tired to start trouble! That would make the streets safer too!

[Ferret Pie]

It would really make very little difference , metal detectors that is, in schools i know (except rush hall) because if i wanted to kill someone i would break their neck or stab them in the eye with a compass/pencil/fountain pen. Also parents should really know if their son/daughter has a knife or weapon.
Then again i can see the point in schools in america, where people can have guns and there are quite a few reports of bullied kids in America bringing in daddy's gun and blowing the shit out of their classmates. I really just don't see the point in beingaggressive towards people in a violent manner myself, it's just stupid to initiate anything like that.

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by Ferret Pie
It would really make very little difference , metal detectors that is, in schools i know (except rush hall) because if i wanted to kill someone i would break their neck or stab them in the eye with a compass/pencil/fountain pen. Also parents should really know if their son/daughter has a knife or weapon.
Then again i can see the point in schools in america, where people can have guns and there are quite a few reports of bullied kids in America bringing in daddy's gun and blowing the shit out of their classmates. I really just don't see the point in beingaggressive towards people in a violent manner myself, it's just stupid to initiate anything like that.

But kids start off bringking in knives to show off, then other kids bring them in "for protection" then sooner or later someone feels fit to use the knife and you end up with a murder.

[ZekeyLizard]

The problem is, no one appreciates the value of life these days.
These kids dont care that the people they kill may never be able to smile or experience love ever again. They dont care about the others they hurt; sibling, families, spectators, all feel the pain at someones loss.

Back in High school a good friend of mine was killed with a single blow to the side of his skull outside of a Steack n' Shake.

[Fruiterian]

i don't like them.

of course, i've never been to a school with a serious shooting or incident such as columbine or any copycat shootings that occured afterward.

but in a sense, this indicates underlying problems: you don't just pick up a gun and start shooting people, the feelings require to do this build over time.

there are many kids out there who are depressed, in addition to other disorders. some people are misdiagnosed at depressed when nothing is wrong with them, others are left unnoticed. this can often be attributed to the level of bullying placed upon them, as it was in columbine: the two perpetrators of this act were teased constantly at their school. eventually they murdered quite a few, injured more, and committed suicide.

i'm not saying that all the blame should be placed on the teachers, but they do have an opportunity to report people: those who are bullying others, those who seem to be acting differently than normal, those with scars that are newly apparent, et cetera, in addition to a strong guidance department. you may be able to weed out problems before it gets to the level necessary for metal detectors.

[squealpiggy]

Looks like you had a bit of trouble with the old reply button there :D

I could be wrong but isn't the metal detector thing more to do with gang members than potential loose cannon types such as at Columbine?

[ZekeyLizard]

Mr. Mackey
"Triple-Posting is bad, M'kay?"

[ZekeyLizard]

w00t go Pinkerbelle!

Sadly whenever this happens, it affects all teens. Each time a new episode of some drama on T.V. comes on that has to do with teenagers, life seems to get worse for them.
Same with shootings. Just cause some depressed little maggot wanted to kill some people doesnt mean everyone should pay the price. Yes, metal detectors are neccesary.

[felp]

wow, seriously you guys! like I am soo much happier that I live here, where I can honestly say the most serious problem we have with school kids, is some of them taking some weed when they shouldn't. Other then that to put metal detectors in is just silly (here) because the most serious thing ever brought to my old school (i'm at uni now) was a switch blade, and the dude who brought it caught more flack from being an idiot and bringing a knife then for "being cool like those dude on Tv...yo". And according to my brother it's still pritty much the same.
And I think metal detectors wouldn't be the answer if we had a gun problem (which we've never had [here that is] ) but if there was a youth gun problem, surely the answer would be investing the money of a metal detector into finding out how the bloody hell they GET the guns in the first place!
I have nothing against guns, but as a fellow shooter, i get very offended when I see some1 being reckless with a firearm of anykind, not just that but any father/mother whom owns a gun should at all times keeped them locked away and out of reach.
Also people caught selling guns to kids should be dangled off a bridge for several weeks whilst listening to constant Hanson song(arguably plural)s.

[Fruiterian]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
Looks like you had a bit of trouble with the old reply button there :D

I could be wrong but isn't the metal detector thing more to do with gang members than potential loose cannon types such as at Columbine?

just a little. it wasn't forwarding to the next page, so i assumed that it didn't post. i wound up clicking several times. bad idea, eh? when i refreshed the original page, only one popped up. O_O

well, yeah, some of it probably does have to do with the gang members. but even then, that can prevented to some degree. we do need to get rid of the whole thug culture that is infecting america, and undoubtedly, some other places too.

i blame the recording companies selling "gangsta" rap, glamourizing all the criminal stuff. i hate it.

[ZekeyLizard]

True Pinkerbelle very true!!!!!!

Micheal Mores "Bowling for Columbine" proved how on several occasins people always blame somthing or someone else for their problems.
Parents blamed Marylin Manson for Columbine. Why?
I dont like M.M. but still, music doesnt change who you are.
Neither does T.V. .......unless your stupid and impressionable.

[Sloth]

Parents blamed Marylin Manson for Columbine. Why? der, you know the answer to that... because it is easy to blame a controversial popstar like Marylin Manson... and why they would do it is because we live in a world that values truth or honor less and less by the day... the parents are not about to confess it is all their fault if they can reverse the blame on a easy target...

killer child
+
chicken shit parent
+
Lunchbox

on we plow
the big bully try to stick his finger in my chest
try to tell me, tell me he's the best
but i don't really give a good goddamn cause
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i got my lunchbox and i'm armed real well
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me
i got the pencils in my pocket, try to put me down
wanna go out, gotta get out
to the playground, gonna throw down at the playground
i wanna go out
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker gonna get my metal
next motherfucker
pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow, pow pow pow
i wanna grow up
i wanna be a big rock and roll star
i wanna grow up
so no one fucks with me

=
The perfect scapegoat...

[ZekeyLizard]

A lunchbox sang that?

[Sloth]

that is the lyrics to the song Lunchbox performed by Marylin Manson...

:rolleyes:

[ZekeyLizard]

Oh.

Well, there goes what little respect I've earned out the window again.:(

[Ked]

This is quite an interesting topic.

I do see violence rising in schools, (being a secondary school studnet myself) and frankly it is quite worrying. There was an incident at my school where a kid held a knife next to some other kids eye once. It does worry me quite a lot. Students are bringing such items as pocket-knives and BB guns.

Although I do think the idea of Metal Detectors does seem a bit over the top, you can't help keeping a school safe. The security of a school could be deeply dangered by a kid with a knife or so.

I kind of see the metal detectors as a bit radical, yet I do think they could sort out the problem of violence within schools in another manner.

I also think that TV and Films do contribute to some of the violence. I agree with one of the earlier posters saying about dramas, about teenagers and violence. It may seem to be expressing a true point, but yet it does kind of give kids a reason to say, "Hey, if they do it, and get away with it, surely I could do it?" Peer pressure also accounts to it. Some people do carry weapons just to fit in with people to make them seem cool.

And to music contributing to violence, I don't think so.

[RadiationHazard]

Being from southern coastal New Jersey....my time in secondary school was very uneventful. You wouldn't beleive how well kids get along here.


The worst that ever happens is a fist fight.

[Ked]

Heh, I think the way I set that out made it seem like theres something dangerous going on every day. We do get some trouble three or four times a year. And we probably get a fist fight every week. I think its quite pathetic though how everyone just runs to see the fight.

[RadiationHazard]

I've actually walked straight through fights.
"Excuse me...don't mind me."

[Ked]

Theres no way I could walk through a fight. The crowd just make you part of it and then all of a sudden you got two guys beating the crap out of you.

I'm not speaking from personal experience but from what I've seen. :)

[RadiationHazard]

No, I've actually done it. They look at me for a minute and then laugh dismissivly then continue.

[Ked]

They wouldn't laugh at all if anyone did that. The normal response you get is, "fuhkin twat".

[RadiationHazard]

You've obviously never been to southern New Jersey.

[Ked]

I obviously haven't. :)

If you want a guide to Swindon, the town I live in, then follow this link.

http://swindon.boggoblin.co.uk

[RadiationHazard]

Yea....I'll pass. I'm going to florida on the 26th. permanently.