Time for a serious question.

[Glimpse]

Can anyone tell the difference between Butter & I can't believe its not butter?

if so how?

[PoofBird]

you call this serious?

take it to pap, and keep the debates forum clean

[Glimpse]

Originally posted by PoofBird
you call this serious?

take it to pap, and keep the debates forum clean

You're not a fun person are you?

[PoofBird]

oh i am,

very much so

just take the fun to pap... you know the debates forum has a high change of flaming?

[Glimpse]

Originally posted by PoofBird
oh i am,

very much so

just take the fun to pap... you know the debates forum has a high change of flaming?

Oh Kay will do so in future


hmm to preserve the debate forum

OK

WARNING SUBJECT IS BEING CHANGED

ok

Is tony blair going to lose the next election due to the hutton enquirey and all that coincides or will he pull one out the bag and stay as our PM?

there now thats a debate question

[Tofufi]

i think he will go, but i may be a little bit biased.
I think the media is not helping the situation :D

[nNski]

He's gonna go because he's a crap PM. If only Hague hadnt quit..

[psychoticdemon]

i cant tell teh differance, they all taste like crap and make me wanna barf

also: tony blair wont win, due to the fact he's been diagnosed as being a small trunkless albino elephant poseing as a stupid guy

[Mat^]

can any one tell the difference from spam and i cant belive its not spam

yes me
elephants have a great chance of winning elections
i mean look at churchil

[Cabbage]

I really don't think much of Tony Blair. In fact, i don't think much of the whole government. At all. There might as well not be a British government and America would just assimilate us.

love from
the 51st state

[Micky]

Originally posted by nNski
He's gonna go because he's a crap PM. If only Hague hadnt quit..

:eek:

IDS is one of the best things that's happened to this country - if the Tories had another leader they'd almost certainly stand a chance of winning the next general election, as it is they've got almost no hope (thankfully).

Hutton enquiry? TB won't go, in my opinion, he's surrounded by people whose position is partly to take the fall for the PM, I also think Labour will win the next election, though there's a good chance the Lib Dems will get into the opposition, or we'll get a hung parliament with Labour forming a Lib-lab coallition (which would be good).

Dr Kelly was, it seems, going to be a scapegoat for the inaccuracies of the '45 minute' dossier, and when he found this out he didn't feel up to it [/speculation] As regard the PM's position, the only way he could go would be if someone could prove he knew he was lying to the country, which is next to impossible.

On a semi-side note, observe the Tory reaction to the Lib Dem win in Brent East, IDS made a speech today (or maybe yesterday) claiming that the LDs were a left party masquerading as centre, and somehow came to the conclusion that the Tories coming third was good for them and bad for the Liberals!

My main worry as regards British politics is the realisation of the Tories (at last) that the electorate are stupid (pardon the coarse word, but it's a known fact that people are always stupid, whereas individuals need not be - that's the one thing politicians must never tell the public, but have to play off it all the time) - I recently heard a new Conservative 'initiative' - abolish speed cameras and raise the Motorway speed limit to 80mph - now if that's not a crude attempt at vote winning, I don't know what is. The trouble is that people will vote for that, not paying attention to the fact the Conservative party will no doubt have some rather less popular policies lying around (don't bother with the NHS, let everyone have private healthcare - what? you can't afford it? well that's your fault isn't it [/generalising, kinda]).

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Hmm, now that's what you call a ramble...

[rabid anarchist]

Well, tbh, i hope he loses the elction to the Liberal Democrats.
Might as well give them a chance.

And one time in power they introduced welfare reforms..

But thats slightly irrelevant now isnt it?

[GorillaBearBear]

If he doesn't go this election he'll go next election. He just wasn't cut out to be a politician. I think part of the problem is he doesn't seem to care about the countries internal wlfare. He just wants to run it. This could be all wrong but it's just the impression that you get when all that spin is thrown around and half his speeches are mudslinging.

I think that the hutton enquiery and the war were the turning point, and if the recent by election results are anything to go by then the Lib Dems will at least become the opposition, if not the government. However, a combination of poor leadership in the form of charles kennedy (a man full of ideals but not a great leader imo) and the downward spiral that Tony blair and his cabinet put us in will mean they won't last more than two terms. From there I think that it will fluctuate between the 3 main parties until someone capable of actually turning the country around gets in and he (or she) will do a good job and stay in. This could take a long time or no time at all. This is my prediction.

[SemiCircle]

rightyho. memo to self: keep it brief, cos noone can be arsed to read the long ones.

ids is a muppet. the tories are digging themselves deeper and deeper into the "unvotable for" category.

blair will not win. the media is out to get him, and the herds and herds of fools that seem to make up the british public (you know, the kind of people that watch "reality tv") are heavily swayed by the media. if labour get a new leader then they'll do ok. which is a shame, because deep down new labour is no better than the tories.

the lib dems have no policies. get a policy or two that joe public agrees with, whatever it is, and they will get in. they need to go hardline on SOMETHING, instead of this wishy-washy crap that they seem to be peddling at the moment. most people who would support them are too apathetic to vote at all.

if nothing i have suggested here happens then labour will win, simply by inertia.

[rabid anarchist]

I hope not..

But hey. It will probably end up being completely rubbish, until an inspirational leader comes along changes it all around.
Then itll decline again...

And it just keeps repeating.

Possibly.

[Dr-Electro]

Tony might have stood a chance of being a decent leader if he would have pulled his head out of G.W. Bush's arse soon enough. As it is, he is a lame duck and he knows it. I hope you all vote Lib Dem next election.

Just imagine what it would be like if the UK wound up becoming American states. A total reversal of the situation of the 1700's. Would there be a revolution? I'd bet heavily on it. Would U. K. win their freedom from the U. S. Of course they would. I just don't want to see it come to that.

[rabid anarchist]

quite...

we ARE turning into a mini version of the states.. o.O oh dear..

(nothing wrong with America, but we dont need two of any country)

[The Angry Elvis]

Don't you see? They sung the Red Flag song! It doesn't matter if they win an election! They are planning a communist revolution!
And I say: Jump on the bandwagon! If you don't join now they'll shoot you later. And with bullets they will force you to make in their low-effiency work houses and factories! Why do you think they called themselves labour? Blair will overthrow our parliamentary system, assassinate the other party members and take over in a bloody, dictatorial fashion! With red flags! Oh the red, red flags!
Communism is back, baby!

[rabid anarchist]

I almost wish it were....

Now if they could do it without turning us into Russia or China..

[lzzrdgrrl]

Can't tell the difference - really?!?....

One is a condiment - the other is a lubricant.....

[rabid anarchist]

erm

explain yourself young lady :)

[lzzrdgrrl]

A marketing firm burns a six-figure budget to call it: 'I Can't Believe It's Not Butter?.....

Well. I can believe it's not butter.....

It sat in fridge for half a year, until the time we could not find the K-Y....

It filled in admirably, except for a slightly suspect 'popcorn' smell......

[PoofBird]

in the future, please bother to read the whole thread

[lzzrdgrrl]

I did....

And I chose to address the initial question, which had important implications about state of our cultural and personal aesthetics in a modern market society....

This could have been a serious discussion about how the forces of capitalism shapes our values and why - but NO!!! Instead, we have the silly and trivial boilerplate about 'world politics' which is 65% of the traffic on all discussion boards, everywhere....

Take it to The Guardian, where it is done with with more wit and depth of insight.....

[Vivi]

dude, you nd a life to ask this question, really. Sort of like the guy who made this claim...

http://www.theonion.com/onion3317/associatechrist.html

[smiley clown]

I think that by far the most worrying thing is that in some districts one or two National Party candidates have got into the Council. Racist Filth.

[Ferret Pie]

I think it will be LD's this time, the rest are either the same, useless or both.

[squealpiggy]

If he doesn't go this election he'll go next election. He just wasn't cut out to be a politician.

Tony Blair is possibly the most cut out to be a politician person the world has yet produced! He makes Machiavelli look like a straight up kinda guy!

I think that Tony Blair hasn't done a bad job. Many of you won't remember the Thatcher years, which were pretty damn awful. Fewer still will remember before that with old labour and the winter of discontent etc when the unions held way too much power. If there was an election declared now I think it would end up being a labour victory with a diminished majority because people wouldn't know who to vote for. If there was an election coming up the labour spin machine would be starting and you would see more positive press about the government. That fact is that things are not so bad in the country and indeedin the world. Why else are they making asylum a big issue? A couple of thousand people a year entering a country of 58 million people is not making a massive impact.most of the non-issues that politicians assure us are important such as ID cards and the "war on terror" are smokescreens to distract us from things like the appallingly run health service and the joke of a penal system. Because to draw people's attention to that is to encouraged demands to make changes, and if you have to make changes you have to make uncomfortable decisions. And if people think they might have to pay and extra tenner a year in tax to prevent criminals from reoffending all they see is the extra tax, going to criminals.

People are stupid.

The issue with council seats being won by genii such as the BNP is another flash in the pan which is being blown about by a storm in a teacup... People in areas Oldham and Burnley are idiots who believe the News of the World so vehemently that they actualy think that there is an asylum seekng plague about to steal our children and sell them to Arabs. In the 70s before Thatcher single handedly destroyed the National Front by suggesting the tories would "get tough" on immigration it was a far bigger issue, and it was a genuine fear that these strange foreign people who weren't even the same colour as "us" were taking our jobs. The people who have voted for the BNP recently are not really in a position to worry about losing their jobs. They are petty minded little idiots that are concerned that people who have been through terrible situations such as war are getting benefits, the same as them, and they're not even from round there!

I can't imagine anyone who has enough brain to find a job would vote for these jokers.

[GorillaBearBear]

You do realise that being a good politician isn't just being able to lie through your teeth. The ability to keep the public on your side (oops, Tony 0), the ability to keep your promises a) Obtainable (no luck) b)just keep them (oh oh oh? nope!) and also just the ability to do your job well overall make a good politician. It's people who take your view who have ruined Politics.

Just as a side note Machiavelli was a straight up kind of guy. He was just ruthless. He was a man of principle, and that principle was to do anything you could to do what you needed to do. Nothing particularly devious about that. At least he was honest about his intentions.

(NBy the way I strongly recommend "the Prince" as some light reading. Damned interesting)