Which OS system is the Best?

[Alteran Ancient]

Which one was your hero?

Mine is Windows XP, becuase I've never tried Linux.

PS, admin, please Change username to Cycloneflame

[Patrick Moore]

Which operating system system?

[budrick]

None are the best. Next question!

[Alteran Ancient]

Stop trying to be clever!

[Al2]

Why yes. What system of operating system do you like best?

I don't have a favourite. I like Linux because it runs properly and doesn't take all day to start up. Also I don't need an antivirus taking up resources all the time.

But I like Windows because everything supports Windows, and all my games run in it.

Thus I run Windows to play games and take advantage of hardware produced by biased manufacturers, and Linux to do anything worthwhile.

Edit: Now that your poll is up, why have you separated all versions of Windows out and yet left all versions of Linux under the one option? There are more distros of Linux than there are Windows editions, and more customisations to each Linux distro than you'll ever see in Windows, so surely it's fair to include every single one of those?

Or how about just putting "Windows"?

None are the best. Next question!
None is the best :eng101:

Stop trying to be clever!
Who's trying? :p

[Alteran Ancient]

This is a poll! Just vote something!

[Cheechy]

its a stupid poll.
Windows is cearly not the best OS for webservers.
Linux is clearly not the best for gaming purposes.

[Lewiji]

I'm going to vote Linux, but only on the basis that it is more efficient and therefore has the best "system".

However all OSes have their pros and cons.

[Playbus]

Dos 6.22 > All

[Nuclear Spoon]

So why does Windows get it's own versions of OSs? Apple has OS9 and OSX, but you chose to generalise into Apple.

[Alteran Ancient]

It's because I don't have Macs and I hate them, so I wouldn't know about different systems.

[EDY-innit]

None are the best. Next question!
None is the best :eng101:


Ehm, no, Weird Al.

Expand the sentence out and it becomes:

None of the options (or none of the OSes) are the best.
by Budrick

Versus your reply of:

None of the options (or none of the OSes) is the best.


Who got their grammar right after all? :eng101:

If he had said:

No OS (or option) are the best. Next question!
or effectively that,

THEN:

Your reply of:

No OS (or option) is the best. :eng101:
or effectively that,

would've been correct.


Now who knows their :eng101: eng101 :eng101: ?? :rolleyes: :p

[budrick]

It's because I don't have Macs and I hate them, so I wouldn't know about different systems.

So, you can't have a logical reason for hating them then.

EDIT: I wasn't trying to be clever earlier, either. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Arkwright]

I've said it before I'll say it now

Come judgement day, I hope terminator shall run on xp, if it runs on linux or OSX then mankind is fucked

[Bloopo]

The operating system of macs are...dumdumdum... Mac OS, not 'Apple', they make the computers.

[Al2]

Ehm, no, Weird Al.

Expand the sentence out and it becomes:

None of the options (or none of the OSes) are the best.
by Budrick

Versus your reply of:

None of the options (or none of the OSes) is the best.


Who got their grammar right after all? :eng101:
Me.

None is a singular noun.

If you remove the prepositional clause you get "None are the best".

Now the multiplicity of "none" does not change in context. In order to understand this, consider than "none" literally means "not one". In order to determine if the sentence is correct or not, you merely replace any instance of "none" with "not one". If it still makes sense it is correct.

Now let us re-evaluate the grammar:

"None of the OSs are the best" becomes "Not one of the OSs are the best".

This is plainly wrong.

It's because I don't have Macs and I hate them, so I wouldn't know about different systems.
Allowing your personal preference or inability to research your poll before posting it is not an excuse for making a half-complete questionnaire.

[Lewiji]

It sounds right to me..

Not one of the OSes are the best

Because you aren't using "none", you're using "OSes" (plural)

[Al2]

Ah yes, but consider to which noun the verb "is/are" belongs. It is not the OSes that are being; it is the none that is being. Therefore the agreement has to be between the objective noun of the sentence, not the prepositional one. If you use the word "of" then the sentence must agree with the "of <foo>" section removed.

"None of the OSes is the best" --> "None is the best".

This is because you can restructure the sentence:

"Of the OSes, none is the best" and have the same meaning. As such, the verb's object is "none", not "the OSes".

Stop arguing with the grammar police ;) :p

Back on topic!

[Lagmeister]

Dear me, is nothing safe from fan boyism anymore?

None of the provided choices are actually the best, now I could go on and point out every single mistake you have made in that list but I wont as it will probably make you feel bad.

Cant resist the title though, some people really should learn what OS actually stands for.

Also if you so hate 'Apple' OSes and love your microsoft then you have missed out a bunch of Windows versions, Longhorn is a code name for an in development Windows OS, Windows 2000 is not the same as Windows ME, you missed out Windows 1 and for that matter 2 (or Windows 286, for people who actually care), checkmate squire.

[hamsternator]

Woah, a competition to see who's better at grammar. [/offtopic]
I like Windows and Mac OSX. I've never tried Linux so I can't have an opinion on it. Windows is good for me because nearly every program runs on it, and OSX is so sexyful efficient at everything.
And curse you for putting 'Apple' instead of the Mac Os'es!

[SPACKlick]

Although none is a contraction of "not one" none can be used singularly or plurally because of common usage, so infact both versions of it are correct just the corrected version has been around as "correct" for longer. But since we all understand perfectly what was meant either way does it really matter?

[Aladdin Sane]

I voted for Linux as its does what I want it to do witout any fuss, its stable, fast and i think GNOME is a good graphical environment to work with. I would say that XP is the best Windows version in terms of stability, but is far too resource hungry for my liking. I've never used a Mac, so I can't comment on their OS.

Of course the best OS I've ever used was TOS on the Atari ST. :ninja:

[budrick]

you have missed out a bunch of Windows versions, Longhorn is a code name for an in development Windows OS, Windows 2000 is not the same as Windows ME, you missed out Windows 1 and for that matter 2 (or Windows 286, for people who actually care), checkmate squire.

Windows NT 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, and Windows 2003 too. Not to mention the fact that there were editions of NT4 for Alpha and PowerPC machines too :)

[Al2]

And Windows Media Edition or whatever shitty name they came up with for that blunder.

Edit: :D @ the title of his other thread.

[budrick]

That's just a variation on Windows XP, I believe. No significant difference except for some extra bundled software and hardware support.

[EDY-innit]

Weird Al considers himself to be the grammar police? Okay... to each their own i suppose.. :ninja:

'Not One' can be used either way, 'is' OR 'are' depending on how it would be said.
'None' can ONLY be used in the 'are' sense, as it is a result of 'not one'

Think formula.
'Not'+'One'->is as 'one' alone can be the subject
'Not'+'One'->are as 'not' AND 'one' can coincide as the subject, both the subject at once.

'None'->are ONLY; as 'None' is the result of ''not'+'one''. As 'one' is the singular, 'not'+'one' must be plural, and 'Not'+'one'='None'.

THEREFORE, 'None' can be followed only by 'ARE', never 'IS'.


QED.
('Quad Erat Demonstrandum' for thosde who don't know)
('That which was to be Demonstrated' for those who want it translated.)

[RobW]

Windows XP.

I like it anyway.

[Al2]

What the HELL is EDY talking about? How can "one" EVER be plural? And "not" cannot be a subject without the "one" because "not" isn't a noun (apart from in this sentence where it refers to the word "not" as opposed to the negation operator)

Jesus... shut the fuck up already. Get on topic.

Rob, is your spiware sig meant to be accurate? The one that's always totally wrong about everything I'm using? :p

Or is it telling us what you're using?

[EDY-innit]

What the HELL is EDY talking about? How can "one" EVER be plural?
What the HELL is Weird Al talking about? Since when did i say 'one' was plural?
I said NOT+one is plural. Not that ONE is plural, hence NOT one.

And "not" cannot be a subject without the "one" because "not" isn't a noun (apart from in this sentence where it refers to the word "not" as opposed to the negation operator)
I didnt say that 'not' alone was the subject. I said 'not'&'one' together.

Examples (Most Probably Bad/non-understandable ones.)
Not one is the subject, both are the subject!
Not one are the subject, nothing is the subject.

What i mean is, it all depends how you say it.

I just can't explain properly. I try, with failed results.

[Arkwright]

I ain't undee' shtandin' none what yous feelas be sayin'! Hyuck-huck!

[RedRoygbiv]

What the heck ever suits your needs. There isn't an absolute best OS IMO. All the "M$ = EVIL !!!!!" kids should seek help, to put it nicely. (Yeah I mean the fanboys, I've got nothing against good behaving people.)

Windows 3.x
Windows 95
Windows 98 SE
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Linux

Have tried those. Windows XP has been the most suitable for me so far, although it's a pretty even match with Windows 2000. I've only ran Linux on a crappy computer just to try the OS out, though...

I'd like to give Mac OS X (if I remember the name correctly) a try, as well as Macintoshes in general. They even run my two favourite games, Unreal Tournament 2004 and World of Warcraft. :) Some games would be left out, though... :(

[da-geezer]

omfg davidmjays cycloneflame whatever/whoever/whenever, you've pissed this fanboy off now.

Windows Millenium Edition is nothing like Windows 2000, it's comparable to saying Windows 95/Windows NT4.

However, I'm still going to stand by my guns and say that Windows Millenium Edition is the king. It was fast, responsive, didn't hog the memory unless a system was up for more than three days or so (though if you were doing that, you were using the wrong operating system anyway).

It had it's faults, it was very picky about hardware compatibility as many users will sureley point out. However, when you had a hardware config that Windows Me liked, boy did it fly. Also, don't even think about upgrading from Windows 98, Windows Me would look at it and say "nokthxbye".

I will admit that Windows XP does put a lot over Windows Millenium, but still, it always has that "oooh yay!" factor whenever I use it.

Unfortunatley, I haven't had the pleasure of using a *nix based system as of yet, so I'm going to plump for Windows Me/2000 (grrr)

btw, what the fuck is this spelling nazism all about? great for comedy value!

[Al2]

This
Not one are the subject, nothing is the subject.
Is 100% bullshit. Fuck off back to school.

As for the ACTUAL TOPIC:

However, I'm still going to stand by my guns and say that Windows Millenium Edition is the king. It was fast, responsive, didn't hog the memory unless a system was up for more than three days or so (though if you were doing that, you were using the wrong operating system anyway).

I removed Windows Me from Ellie's laptop when I last went to France and replaced it with Ubuntu. Why? Because Me wouldn't stay up for more than half an hour, and most of the time it would crash again while running the crappy disk checker because of the last crash.

It's been running Ubuntu for two weeks straight.

PS Also, under Me it was either Trillian OR mIRC, and that was it. Under Ubuntu it's gaim and x-chat and Firefox and Bittorrent and Skype.

PPS When I installed Me it would only do 800x600 in 8-bit colour. It took me half an hour of searching the net to find drivers that I had to force Me to use (that is, it wouldn't recognise them even with its hardware wizard) in order to get it to display properly. Ubuntu has the correct resolution in 24-bit colour all the time.

[EDY-innit]

This

Is 100% bullshit. Fuck off back to school.


i wasnt physically stating that nothing was the subject. That had nothing to do with the argument, other than it being an example sentence of how 'not one' can be followed by 'are'...

Fuck off back to school yourself, whether you need to or not, instead of telling me to.

[Tiode]

An operating system system ey?
Has to be apple OS X

[Al2]

i wasnt physically stating that nothing was the subject. That had nothing to do with the argument, other than it being an example sentence of how 'not one' can be followed by 'are'...

Fuck off back to school yourself, whether you need to or not, instead of telling me to.
Number one: that example is wrong. "Not one" cannot be followed by "are" unless you speak a different language where it can.

Number two: stop debating your ill-conceived grammar in a TB thread.

[EDY-innit]

i was NOT sure whther that example was correct anyway. I realise that it isnt.

It still doesnt void the fact that 'None' can only be followed by 'are'.

As for 2:
There shouldnt have been a debate to start with, only your stupidity/retardation have kept it going this long

Accept that i was right and you were wrong, and get over it.

[/debate(hopefully)]

[Al2]

Me pointing out that a singular noun takes a singular counterpart verb is not retarded.

You complaining about it is.

Do you have an opinion on the topic or not?

P.S. You give me one valid use of "not one ... are" and I'll eat my hat, sonny jim.

[eleanor]

EDY-innit, u sux (http://www.geocities.com/grammardoc5/none1.html), and I hereby send you back to school (http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/lpronouns.htm). If you're gonna argue a fine point expect to come up against my l33t Google skillz.

edy - you still don't get it.

"One of my posts is relating..." becomes "Not one of my posts is relating..." When debating a very fine point of grammar, take time to research it and understand it before you argue pigheadedly.

Ontopic: From what I've seen of it, Linux is my favourite. Efficient, stable, not a resources hog, open source, and less bloated than Windows = teh secks. I'm not really a gamer, so it suits me :) I haven't really used it much though. I'll be dualbooting as of summer \o/

[EDY-innit]

not one of my posts in here are relating to the thread's topic.

Hat -> mouth.

[Al2]

not one of my posts in here are relating to the thread's topic.
Wrong. The plural in that sentence is "posts" not "one".

Your argument is revolving around the idea that since "one" is singular, "not one" must be something other than one, which must be plural.

I'm afraid that only maths works like that. Besides, -1 is also singular.

The snip "not one" does not mean "anything but one"; it means "for every one, it is not this".

This is where your confusion lies.

[EDY-innit]

ÈÐÝ - ¡ññ¡t says:
which of these sounds right:
ÈÐÝ - ¡ññ¡t says:
None are the best.
None is the best.
{Notme.} says:
None are the best.

ÈÐÝ - ¡ññ¡t says:
Exaxctly.
{Notme.} says:
onles none is the name of the object
{Notme.} says:
unless*


I think i may just make a poll on this subject.

And eleanor, i can find sites saying that jesus is hitler and allsortsa crap using google.
That doesnt make it any more true, now does it?

/me goes off to make topic/poll in W&B General.

[Aquarium]

In formal usage, it should be, "none of them is going." In general usage it is acceptable to say, "none of them are going."


In short, who gives a rats ass, both are fine, it's not a formal situation.

[eleanor]

Your MSN friend is no more of an authority...

[edit]yes, this has been derailed enough.

[Al2]

Linux r teh best0r OS bcos it's not maed by Mircosoft lol & it will run anyfing*

* As long as you don't mind adminning it entirely in console.

[Arkwright]

Most games are actually transferred to mac format, its just that many retailers don't stock mac games and so you have to order them online or go to the apple store (teh most sechsyful place evar!!1!11eleventy11!11) in London, so yah, difficult to get those games

[Oooh Yeah]

OS X is nice, it's the best in my opinion because it suits the widest audience of people.

it's simple, and easy to look after unlike windows (to average joe not you who is pr0 at tetris)

looks pretty and the stuff is stylish, the new mac mini is cheap for people and aims to open up the OS to a wider audience.. it's a nice platform for media work which is what i do.

"what good is 10 million applications when apple make the 5 you want?"

unless you're into gaming or absolutely need a windows based program then macs are good

[Al2]

Can someone fill me in on this?

I was under the impression that HL2 had been built and released for Linux and OpenGL, while I am now getting vibes that it may just have been that it is officially supported by Cedega.

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

[Arkwright]

Insane... urge... to make... sigs!

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Arkright/Art/macsig.jpg
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Arkright/Art/linuxsig.jpg
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Arkright/Art/windowsig.jpg

ok, I'm fine now. [/offtopic]

[Alteran Ancient]

From a few pages back, I don't like Macs because hardly anything runs on te, their systems only have one mouse button and their keboards have to be different. hey also stole the Hard Drive MP3 idea off Creative Labs, so I hate the cheapskats!

[terrorbite]

Not long til Mac OS X Tiger. Woo!!!

[FoxDhoj]

OS X is nice, it's the best in my opinion because it suits the widest audience of people.

it's simple, and easy to look after unlike windows (to average joe not you who is pr0 at tetris)

looks pretty and the stuff is stylish, the new mac mini is cheap for people and aims to open up the OS to a wider audience.. it's a nice platform for media work which is what i do.

"what good is 10 million applications when apple make the 5 you want?"

unless you're into gaming or absolutely need a windows based program then macs are good

That's why I use the Xbox for gaming and the iMac/iBook for computing.

[Tiggs]

From a few pages back, I don't like Macs because hardly anything runs on te, their systems only have one mouse button and their keboards have to be different. hey also stole the Hard Drive MP3 idea off Creative Labs, so I hate the cheapskats!

A couple of corrections to that, you can plus any USB mouse into a mac and have as many buttons as you like. I have atcually seen official Mac mice with 2 mouse buttons and a scroll wheel.

And the forst Hard drive mp3 player wasn't a creative, it was the Hango/Remote Solutions Portable Jukebox PJB-100 (source (http://www.mp3.com/MP3+Insider:+Introducing+the+World's+First+MP3+Pla yer/stories/1144.html))

I do, and probably always will, prefer windows. Mainly because of its compatiablilty. It will work on almost any system, 9/10 applications have a windows version and it has a very good user interface. Also I have found it to be very reliable. Many people moan about it but iI've been using XP for years and never had any problems with it. Even on the odd occasion when explorer crashes, it just restarts the process and you can continue without having lost anything

[Lozzie Stardust]

I do, and probably always will, prefer windows. Mainly because of its compatibility. It will work on almost any system, 9/10 applications have a windows version and it has a very good user interface. Also I have found it to be very reliable. Many people moan about it but I've been using XP for years and never had any problems with it. Even on the odd occasion when explorer crashes, it just restarts the process and you can continue without having lost anything

I agree and I run on XP because...

A) its a family PC therefore I have no choice
B) I can game on it and it runs X-Box live..
C) WMP 10 syncs instantly with my MP3 player so it's fuss free...

but Os's like Mac OS and Linux mean that there is hardly any viruses/spy ware/ad-ware so it would be less hassle.


From a few pages back, I don't like Macs because hardly anything runs on te, their systems only have one mouse button and their keboards have to be different. hey also stole the Hard Drive MP3 idea off Creative Labs, so I hate the cheapskats!

also Dave you should do your research before randomly posting you hate things, give a reason, perhaps you should spend a while looking at posts to get a feel for how to post and augment & make a point in this forum <------- not flaming, just a point. (and if you have issues with spelling like me, go get the Google toolbar 3 beta - its got a forum spell checker, very useful!)

[RobW]

/Me Uses Arkright's Windows sig.

[Al2]

I use XP because it runs my graphics hardware and supports my games.

I use Linux because I don't have to wait five minutes before I can use it.

[Meatwad]

*Shoots those of you who still use ME*

I feel that Linux/XP are the best. XP for gaming, Linux for whatever else.

[Al2]

Yeah! Me and Meatwad on the dualboot bandwagon! Onwards, driver!

[eleanor]

*jumps on at the back as bandwagon sets off* Onward! *cracks whip at... processors? Horses aren't really relevant here...*

[Meatwad]

For all of you who still use only 1 OS, you should consider having a dual-boot system using some kind of linux.

If you need help doing that, go read Wierd Al's thread on it.

[/shameless promoting]

[Al2]

*jumps on at the back as bandwagon sets off* Onward! *cracks whip at... processors? Horses aren't really relevant here...*
Drivers, numbnuts. :rolleyes:

[nickspoon]

I like Linux because it's free and anti-Microsoft. You want to know why I'm anti-Microsoft? http://www.nosoftwarepatents.org I use Wine for emulating Windows. It works OK. Not brilliant, but OK.

[da-geezer]

I like Linux because it's free and anti-Microsoft. You want to know why I'm anti-Microsoft? http://www.nosoftwarepatents.org

I'm itching to shout "Microsoft anti-fanboy!", or "bandwagon jumper!". Alas, I shall withold such slander until I can be arsed to type the reasons why i think so.

Either way, I'm very wary of sites so biased* they mention the Cold War, even when it's about software patents.

*yes I know it's meant to be biased, but this takes the piss.

[Al2]

Remember kids, prejudicial language (http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/pl.htm) is fallacious!

On another note:

Which OS System is the Best?
Is it ... beef OS System?

Yes

[Cheechy]

This is so bad i need to close it b4 I punch my monitor in rage