bloody euros

[psychoticdemon]

i dont know about you ppl, but i bloddy hate this new money crap they're trying to get us to accept instead of english money

it should be bloody melted down and made into a big cage to keep the french ppl inside france

[cyrusr]

the euro is, to be honest, a big pile of crap.

the 2 main economies in europe (france and germany) both in economic recession, it would be idiotic to join the euro at this time or at anytime in which we were not alinge with the german and french economy. it would throw the country into economic chaos. and let us not also forget the huge costs in which to convert £s into €s. we are literally talking about billions of pounds. indeed these are a one off cost, but they are a very considerable cost.

so what are the benifits of the euro? well, it supposidly will help uk exports buy making it easier to exchange money. could someone please tell me how this will make a significant increase? also it will make us more united with are good chums the europeans. but hang on, didnt we just tell them to piss off when we invaded iraq? hmmm... and besides, it is not like the uk is alone in not being a part of the euro. denmark and sweden have already rejected it. yes these are not the cruical economies but we have seen in germany and france many people unhappy with the euro. let us not forget the german town that actually went back to accepting the mark.

tony blair is now afraid that the euro referendum wont go before next election. with the economic tests still nowhere near their targets, we cannot see it justifiable in the interests of the uk. this means that it would fail at the polls. and this is even without the "the pound is a part of the british heritage" argument:p

we will see in the next few years the euro collapse. i for one will be glad. the economies are too diverse for it even possible to work.

[cadex]

Originally posted by psychoticdemon
it should be bloody melted down and made into a big cage to keep the french ppl inside france


this is a warning

racism will not be tolerated.



also, note the difference between your post and cyrusr's.

his is a long, reasoned responce.

yours is idiotic and short.

[PoofBird]

a hint:

a debate starts with arguments.... you explain your viewpoint, than a counterpart does the same.

anything else: take it outside

[psychoticdemon]

oh yay, just 3 days and i pissed somebody off already........

[Smeagle]

2 people to be precise :p

At least


But anyway, don't worry about it, loads of people piss people off when they're new.

You can get away with it, as long as you only do it once.

so

Don't do it again!

Wanker.


/edit: I think the euro's fine. It'll be really convenient for going abroad etc, and I really don't see what's wrong with it.

[thedevilmademe]

so whats so bad about the euro? so you think england will bee 'less independant' or 'weaker'. We are pretty much hated by most of the world because if the Iraq war thing. I reckon we need as many alliances as we can get. So we'll be weaker, uhh... how does that work? a continent working together as one is weaker than one country... right.

If you go on holiday, you have to change your money at every country. It is inconvenient and to much work for some peoples frail anti-math brains.

working together is the way forward. in the future, the world will have a universal currency, and to be honest, who cares if it's the pound or the euro or the dollar or anything?

[Mystical Parrot]

i feel joining the euro would be a good move for the economy and the euro as well but loosing the pound i dont want to do. while hte benifits of the single currency really outweigh the costs in most respects people dont want it for the pound its our currency that has been in circulation for hundreds of years

so if tony blair has his refurendum tomorrow the answer would probably be no mainly for asthetic reasons

[Ouroboros]

I see no reason not to join the euro. It will make traveling in Europe (which many people do a LOT of) much more convenient and cheaper. In any case, we should not be trying to pull away from the rest of Europe.

The euro may not seem like much, but it is a small step to bringing countries closer, and when I see Tories telling everyone to save the pound, to be independant from "those foreigners" it really makes me sick.

[Dr-Electro]

You left me no alternative, Psycho. there is no choice for American Dollars there. I can't speak on behalf of the British monetary system. By default, that makes you bloody stupid. Sorry.

I have never had reason to change to Euros. It has been ages and eons since I have had any pounds, not counting my body fat. I hope you can all find an equitable solution that a majority can live with. Those in dissent will just have to learn to barter.;)

[rabid anarchist]

Well, im happy to stay with pounds.
Its easy, i know how much things should cost, and I like changing money. It makes a change from the same old currency all the time.
Plus, it wouldnt do our economy any good.
ok, it may have the advantage of making closer ties with France and Germany.
But is it worth it?

[macky]

:nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
ICH LIEBE DIE EURO- JA !!!!

[rabid anarchist]

Why are you pro-euro?
How do u think it helps?

[macky]

well, when i go on holiday in europe (which i do alot as i am upper class) i hate going to the bank to change munny with all those commoners
:nana:

[rabid anarchist]

Then why didnt your parents send you to a decent school to learn spelling? ;) :p

[macky]

just cos im rich doesnt mean im clever:nana: :nana: :nana:

[rabid anarchist]

So we can see.... :p

but! where do you get your money? from a bank, same as everyone else...

[Micky]

Originally posted by macky
well, when i go on holiday in europe (which i do alot as i am upper class) i hate going to the bank to change munny with all those commoners

Seriously, what was the point of adding the things I've highlighted for you? That is paramount to racism - shame there isn't a convenient word for discrimination based on social standing (if you believe we still have a class system in this country). I thought I'd point this out as offensive comments relating to 'class' often go unnoticed whereas as more typical forms of discrimination don't.

Now, to my opinion!

The problem the government faces with the Euro issue is that if it went to a referendum Britain would almost certain not join - therefore the government are unwilling to take us into the eurozone as it would be very unpopular.

One of the main reasons you find for people wanting to stick with pounds is that they don't want the British currency to be controlled by (and I've completely forgotten where, sorry) - believing that all of Europe is too large an economic zone to allow for individual nation's economic fluctuations (and so some country's will lose out).

Most other reasons are fairly insignificant, such as basic xenophobia, or a fear of losing our identity as a nation.

Personally I don't think I'm in a position to have a valid opinion on the euro (in a yay/nay sense), as I do not possess the information upon which to make a reasoned decision in terms of the economy, but I do believe many arguments on both sides of the argument are poor.

[Jolly Pyruvate]

Originally posted by Micky
That is paramount to racism - shame there isn't a convenient word for discrimination based on social standing


[minor hijack] Tantamount. It is tantamount to racism and is referred to as classism. [/ minor hijack]

[GorillaBearBear]

I would have to say that it makes it more convenient in a lot of ways, but also needs a lot of administration if it were to work. As was said several countries have seen slight economic recession and price rises since joining the eurozone. It is however possible that with some dedication and fine tuning to get it stable. I think that if everyone who is ever going to join it joined, then they would be able to stabilize the economies. I think that it is perhaps the additins of new countries to the eurozone that causes fluctuations in the economic strength of the countries in it.

I am not sure how correct this is as Economics isn't my strong point though

By the way devilmademe. When he refers to Economic Strength, meaning the strength of our currency and how much it is worth to other countries, which is important for importing and exporting etc you ignorant fool. So in fact he was correct and you look like an idiot.

[Micky]

Originally posted by Jolly Pyruvate
[minor hijack] Tantamount. It is tantamount to racism and is referred to as classism. [/ minor hijack]

Thanks for the correction, although that was a bit embarassing, I normally pride myself on my language skills - makes an argument so much more persuasive:)

[Tofufi]

I personally want to keep the pound, as i see no reasons for changing to the euro, especially the amount it would cost our government to change to the euro, there seems to be mainly negative reasons.

[Beir_Gee]

If you think it's such a drag to go to the bank to
exchange your money into other currencies,
then why do you even travel to other countries?
Keep the pound I say, you're better of without
the euro and so is everyone else.

[Dr-Electro]

International commerce is vital to Britain. It is what feeds you. If you change to Euros, will you wind up on the short end of the commerce that feeds you? A heavy thought. I'd hate to see you starve.

(opinion based on historical facts but then, what do I know, I spend dollars)

[rabid anarchist]

Dont worry, we wont starve.
We've still got tourism from Japan and American at least..

[Dr-Electro]

Viva las touristas. Ole por los pesos! Arriba!

Besides, you can always come to my house for dinner.;)

[macky]

im so rich
:nana: :nana: :nana:
lets have a mass debate- get it?

[rabid anarchist]

*sigh*

Quelle est le point?

:p if in doubt, use bad french to say: that was a useless and pointless. :D

[TEX_Cougar]

I think its a bad idea, i dont have much to say that hasnt already been said, but ill give my humble opinions.
When i go abroad, its great to get your foreign money and think how cool it is to get ripped off with conversion rates, but i think it is a bit of fun.
I dont think there's much to worry because most of the british people will vote against it, I know i will.
People who like the idea of not needing the hassle of changing money when going abroad, you'll be LIVING with money conversion, for however long it takes you to get used to it.

I went to crete a couple of years back, and i cant see how a whole country can change a currency with ease.
It will cost every relatively large business a LOT of money to deal with it all; computer software having to be updated/changed everywhere, staff wages having to be paintstakingly sorted out all the way up to the accountants etc

I work at mcdonalds and i know that every single menu board and translite would have to be replaced (which do most of the time), tills would need new software, and everything down to the till draw would need to be replaced.
think of all the small things, right down the little money bags with £ & p stuff on them. So i really cannot comprehend how a country can change its currency with ease. Its more hassle than its worth.
I want to keep the pound, my british passport, and my British nationality.
besides, dont you think its a rather bad name? "alrite mate, lend us a euro"

[Dr-Electro]

Currency-schmurrency! Let's all barter our clothes for lamp oil and run about nude! The TV cameras can have a field day!!

[MaC_ThE_DaDDiO]

converting to the euro will completely cripple our economy, businesses will be well and truly fuct. keeping the pound will ensure the economic success of britain's future

[Magpie]

i don't really know the economic aspects of the change


but.


by adopting the euro we would get better inter-continental relationships.

Britain seems to think it is better to assosiate with the US, because we speak the same langauge and neglect our direct neighbours because they don't.

we should take a more european role in world politics and this would be the first step.


my two cents

[Dr-Electro]

Meanwhile, we in the U.S. never forget that we owe our very existence as a nation to Mother England and remain loyal. Some of your closer European neighbors would just as soon slice your collective throat and eat your collective royal liver. Go figure.

Actually, there are folks on both sides of the Atlantic and both sides of the Channel who think life without the UK would be just as good as with. Those people are not the ones Mother would have wanted you to be friends with.

My point? In spite of the unfortunate nature of the revolution, there is a tighter historical bond between UK and US than there is between UK and EU. My two cents.

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