"Revolution" Revealed

[matt bird]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782

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I like it :cool:

[psychohamster]

Shame, Nintendo.



Shame.

[ZekeyLizard]

I have to agree with my buddy Nim% up there known as the insufferable Psychohamster.

Shame, Nintendo. Shame.

Only my faith that they have tested this product to make sure it's not comfortable is keeping me from getting depressed looking at it.

Oh Nintendo. Why do you test my faith so? :(

[RevJ42]

I think that, if they make it intuitive enough and have a killer app to demonstrate it's potential, Nintendo are back in business. There's a whole stack of info at IGN (cube.ign.com) and a video, which is really good, 'xcept all the people are Japanese. But really, I think it'll be great. I can really see Zelda working with this, with the pointer controlling sword movements. Well, thanks for your time

[JonathanEx]

Imagine it. You've got the joystick in one hand - you're moving Link around. The 2 back buttons on the joystick controller providing items, whilst the remote control controls the sword. You're swiping the sword with your right hand - complete control, total imerrsion.
This thing is brilliant.

[Dingbat]

My first reaction was of course "That's ****ing nuts", but the more I look at it the more interesting it seems. That it's essentially a 3D mouse means it could be the first controller that actually makes console first person shooters work as well as their PC counterparts, and the fact that it's modular means they could pretty much have any kind of controller in your other hand.

Anyway, Nintendo are either the biggest ****ing geniuses who ever lived, and have made the controller that works for any game and for any type of player, or they've just killed the machine.

Either way, let's not be dicks and just write it off before we've tried it. The fact that the guy who wrote the 1Up article found it to be as "natural as a mouse and keyboard" is interesting. It's a weird one, for sure, and if nothing else - it is, as promised, revolutionary

[Lewiji]

It looks shite. But you know what? I have this strange feeling that Nintendo are gonna pull this off.

[Dingbat]

I keep thinking about the pad, and the shit that's possible with it. The more I look at it, the less crazy it seems. Any tool or weapon can be emulated with it - you can fish, chop a tree, swing a hammer, whatever. Imagine playing Resident Evil 4 with it - moving with the left stick and aiming with the right simply by swishing it around a few inches in front of you, swinging your knife with a squeeze of the trigger and a poke in the air.

The fact that everyone who's used one says it's brilliant is telling. The praise for it is pretty much unanimous, from the handful who have used it.

I was sceptical when when I first saw it, but I look at it, and I think, "that's a controller my Dad could use", and the last time I had him playing a game, it was Starfox on my new SNES and he was leaning all over the place in his seat with every movement he made. It's a controller that's sophisticated enough to give FPS nuts the kind of control they've always wanted in a console shooter, whilst being simple enough to let my girlfriend pat a virtual Nintendog.

I like it. It's ****ing bonkers.

[ZekeyLizard]

It looks shite. But you know what? I have this strange feeling that Nintendo are gonna pull this off.


Of course they'll pull it off. Like the DS.

But still, as I said to Ding.....it am ugleh. :(

[Bloopo]

Wow...They have gone completely fucking insane.

Cool.

[JonathanEx]

I recived a package in the post today. And in it, was a Revolution controller. Well, how to make one. I got some sticky tape. With the help of my TV remote and my Gamecube controller (with one half covered up by paper) I now have a Revolution controller. I spent five minutes waving it infront of the TV, wondering how I'll keep my friends and why nothing's happening, but it seems pretty good.
I tried to play Zelda on it, swiping the sword at the BBC Breakfast news presenter, but it didn't work too well. I think it'll be pretty cool when I get a REAL one though.

[Viewtiful_Duck]

Omg. Well lets just hope it works.. But even if it doesent. Revolution also supports Gamecube controllers o/

[Lagmeister]

That looks really strange though I can see it being absolutely brilliant, we are just too attached to the current controllers and gamepads, just shows us what Ninty are good for, thinking outside of the box.

On a second thought, this is probably a typo but "DEMO: PILOT WANGS", damn Im far to immature.

[Jay]

Think its one of those things that people will wanna try befre they buy...

I'm...amazed... I knew it would be different, but wow...
I didn't like it at first...but the more I look the more I like...kinda like the first time I saw the DS.
Has some real potensial I think...I want one :D.

[Meatball]

Nintendo need to sort themselves out if they want to stay in the industry. They're too busy going against the grain instead of giving people what they think they want. I highly doubt this controller will work and please it's market. You have to admire them for thier balls!

If nintendo was a member of this forum, i'd minus them!

[Jay]

You have to admire them for thier balls!They have balls...I like balls...

I think this could be truely great after reading...it is sensitive to movement and other things can be added to it via the top and bottom slots :)

Anyone with doubts should seriously re-read dingbats comment...I keep thinking about the pad, and the shit that's possible with it. The more I look at it, the less crazy it seems. Any tool or weapon can be emulated with it - you can fish, chop a tree, swing a hammer, whatever. Imagine playing Resident Evil 4 with it - moving with the left stick and aiming with the right simply by swishing it around a few inches in front of you, swinging your knife with a squeeze of the trigger and a poke in the air.

The fact that everyone who's used one says it's brilliant is telling. The praise for it is pretty much unanimous, from the handful who have used it.

I was sceptical when when I first saw it, but I look at it, and I think, "that's a controller my Dad could use", and the last time I had him playing a game, it was Starfox on my new SNES and he was leaning all over the place in his seat with every movement he made. It's a controller that's sophisticated enough to give FPS nuts the kind of control they've always wanted in a console shooter, whilst being simple enough to let my girlfriend pat a virtual Nintendog.

I like it. It's ****ing bonkers.That seems to be EXACTLY what Nintendo were going for...w00

[Taekwon-joe]

I was just thinking how it would be used in a fps. I think that the aimer thingy would kick an unbelievable amount af ass, the z1 and z2 buttons could be like trigger buttons like on xbox and the add on analog thingy could be used to strafe and move back and forward. but what about turning in a circle? would you have to point the aimer of screen or would you have to hold down a button and point in the direction you want to turn. There probably is an easy solution to this but i just cant think how it would be done.

[Paradigm^]

What, no Chassisbot?

It's weird. It's like a TV remote with a D-Pad. First impressions are OMHWTF THAT'S ALL WRONG, but it's curious enough to grab my attention. It's definitely one of those try-before-you-buy jobbies; in all fairness to Ninty, they've done something which is very, very different. Whether that will make them or ultimately be their undoing is yet to be decided; for now, like a lot of people, I'm watching with interest.

[Jay]

All the hands on impressions from people that I've read have been very good so far...yay.

[Dick Champion]

Wow. What a risk.

I hope it works, I really do.

[Cap'n Zog]

I feel sorry for the x-box 360 controller, PS3 gets a batarang and Revolution gets Nunchucks, they won't stand a chance in a fight with their crude bludgeoning implement.


I will definitely need to try the controller before i buy a revolution, but i am most definitely interested

[Bones]

Looking at the sword bit from the teaser on IGN.. If that's what the next Zelda will be like..

:jizz:

[Mystery Pie!!!!]

OH MY GOODNESS!

This is what ive been waiting for, it looks so fun, so simple to use, I can't wait to try it out, i think its the best looking one of the 3, PS3 boomerang looks stupid and 360 one is just nice. The peripheral idea is sweet. Motion sensors! Built in rumble, same charge style as wavebird, so that 30+ hours gameplay for the 2 AA batteries. The responce will indeed rock. I am really looking forwards to it, guess im not going to get a 360 now

[Jay]

Wish I could go on IGN...alas, its blocked by college :(

[Mystery Pie!!!!]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/15/news_6133335.html for you Jay, if it too isnt blocked, SONY, Microsoft, this is your worst nightmare

[Jay]

:( noooo blocked too...*cries*

[Mr.L.Xp]

Nintendo Just Dug their Graves...

[splodge]

Its kind of like a light pen for a tablet pc, so basicaly another touch screen, but could work better.
Nintendo have moved away from fighting with sony and microsoft, now they are on there own, which is a good and a bad thing. This could be a new level for gaming, or just a load of crap, we will have to see.

[flapjackboy]

Oh yeah. Ninty once again shows why they're still in this game.

That's why I'm never disappointed when they push back their console release dates, because I know that whatever they bring out will totally turn gaming on its head. There's been a lot of speculation about whether Ninty is shooting itself in the foot by delaying the revolution until 2007, but if this controller is anything to go by, it's going to show Fony and M$ that Ninty's still got game.

[Cap'n Zog]

2007? since when? The trailer says 2006

[faragher]

fish, chop a tree, swing a hammer I hope they update Animal Crossing for the Revolution...

I think this is a brave move, but a sensible one. Nintendo have become known for games that are immediately playable. Compare Mario Karts to say Project Gotham Racing on the XBox. Whilst Gotham is arguably the "better" game, it takes ages to get the hang of. Mario Karts - anybody, whether a gamer or not can pick it up and play in about 10 minutes.

The new controller looks like it will make it even more instinctive to play their games, and will cement their reputation as the producers of the most playable and innovative games in the market, even if the graphics aren't as good as their counterparts.

We've all seen a new gamer wave the gamepad about as if it will help them avoid the baddie / get round the corner - now it will!

[flapjackboy]

2007? since when? The trailer says 2006

Ah, my mistake, was talking to a GAME store manager and he said 2007. Just goes to show, GAME staff are tards.

[d0djem]

I hope they update Animal Crossing for the Revolution...

I think this is a brave move, but a sensible one. Nintendo have become known for games that are immediately playable. Compare Mario Karts to say Project Gotham Racing on the XBox. Whilst Gotham is arguably the "better" game, it takes ages to get the hang of. Mario Karts - anybody, whether a gamer or not can pick it up and play in about 10 minutes.

The new controller looks like it will make it even more instinctive to play their games, and will cement their reputation as the producers of the most playable and innovative games in the market, even if the graphics aren't as good as their counterparts.

We've all seen a new gamer wave the gamepad about as if it will help them avoid the baddie / get round the corner - now it will!

I never really thought of that... pretty much all nintendo games you can pick up the control in minutes.

As with the new players gettin more involed that just pressing buttons, actually leaning the controller would be awesome for motorbike games like Moto GP

[Splush]

My mind is boggling, but I will reserve judgement until it's stopped.

Sorry to repeat what others have said but Nintendo must have huge balls.

[Jay]

My mind is boggling, but I will reserve judgement until it's stopped.I was like that...but more a kinda state of shock.
I'm loving it now though :D

[Lewiji]

I've been thinking about it all day and I really think this is gonna be great. I've always found console controllers boring and tedious but this looks so free and different. Now I can only hope that the Revolution will pull a Gamecube and be dead cheap :p

[BlueberryMuffin]

I'm having a bit of trouble grasping exactly what that would be like to play with. I guess I'll just have to try it out when it gets released down here, but I am liking the look of the aiming system. It's a bit of a gamble, but it looks like it could pay off.

[Cjw]

I too, was thinking "What the fuck" this morning when i first saw it. However, after thinking about it, the possibilities of this controller could be huge.

If it becomes popular or not in the UK, is anybodys guess. I think trying to create a controller that appeals to both the seasoned gamer and the novice gamer is a fantastic idea.

[Katie_D]

Just out of interest, I wonder how much the revolution is going to cost.

Nintendo have always released reasonably cheap consoles compared to the rest of the market. Whilst the PSP was selling at £180, the DS was only a mere £80 and while the ps2 still sells for around £100 brand new, the Gamecube is only about £40. However, no console so far has seen anything like their controller.

Not only is it wireless, but it's a neat little piece of technology. Wireless controllers are quite expensive anyway, for the X-Box at least, so I'm guessing it must put the price up a fair bit. Then we have the actual console itself. It's very flashy and it's...well...better made (in my opinion) than the Gamecube. Not so much "better made" but it looks better.

My guess is they'll have to sell the console for a bit more than previous ones. Hopefully it will still be cheaper than the PS3 and X-Box 360, giving Nintendo the edge on price and value again. If it ends up costing £200 or so, I can't see it taking off as well as the bigger budget consoles.

All in all though...I like the design but I'm a bit worried that Nintendo are leaving there "Fun and imaginative" streak behind and adopting a Playstation style "OmFG PURDY!!!!11!!" view. This isn't exactly a bad thing but we already have two consoles that follow this trend. Personally, I always look to Nintendo to provide me with new, exciting ideas.

Although the controller might take me awhile to get the hang of it. And I'd probably look like an idiot swinging it around.

Meh, I suppose I just like something to hold on to.

Edit - until you turn the controller 90 degrees and it becomes just like an old 8-bit NES joypad, with the D-pad under your left thumb and "a" and "b" under your right. (Don't forget-Nintendo has promised downloadable versions of their classic games for the Revolution's "Virtual Console.")

I really like the sound of that.

[Cjw]

Funnily enough, when i first saw it, i thought that it looked like a NES controller on it's side :D

One thing i am glad of-This is the end to the oh so many photoshops. Woo yay.

[Explosivo]

I actually laughed when i saw it, i thought my friend was having me on.

You might as well use a TV Remote to control your games. :/

[basstard]

Is this the first time I can think of that the actual controller comes out as more mad than the photoshopped fake ones pre-revealment?


Didn't know what to think when I saw it, I'm still not sure. I like how it can be used as a NES controller, but they don't have the right buttons for SNES workings, by the looks.

D-pads are good, hope they actually get used this time, unlike the N64/GC D-pad.


I am looking forward to the time when I can make an arse of myself in a games shop trying all this out on the demo unit.

Actually, that's a point - who'd be willing to make such a wally of themselves at the demo booths in a public place? You'd look a right twit. Actually, to play the Revolution, I probably would. But still...

[Cjw]

Actually, that's a point - who'd be willing to make such a wally of themselves at the demo booths in a public place? You'd look a right twit. Actually, to play the Revolution, I probably would. But still...

Plenty of people. There are lots of DDR and interactive games like this already. One i saw recently at alton towers involved killing ninja's with a large foam samurai sword.

[monhay]

I recon the new controller will do well.

although.....
http://revolutionnoob.ytmnd.com/

[Lewiji]

If you read the review, the idea isn't to swing it around as such but just to flick it around with your wrist.

And Explosivo, you've got a pretty fancy TV remote if it's motion sensitive.

[Explosivo]

And Explosivo, you've got a pretty fancy TV remote if it's motion sensitive.

Yeah its made by DMtech comes with the 32" LCD my sister got. Now normally i wouldnt be sour about the fact that i have a 32" tv with a touch sensitive keypad. but, my sister got it.

EDIT

Ohh just got what you mean by motion sensitive and its not. But seriously in my opionion it looks crap.

[AngryPaul]

Thats some crazy shizznet.

They've got some balls trying a stunt like this, but as said in the early posts, I have a feeling that it will work. It is often the break from tradition that work.

This will be interesting to try out.

[flapjackboy]

But seriously in my opionion it looks crap.

It only looks crap to you because you are used to regular controllers. That's the problem, everyone's so used to the way regular controllers look that when Ninty release something like this, people's automatic reaction is:

zOMG!!!111!!!oneoneeleventy! It doesnt look liek my Fony DuelShokz0rz, it suxx0rz!!!!11!111!!!

[Slurp]

wow-looks good-but is i it too wierd????

[Explosivo]

It only looks crap to you because you are used to regular controllers. That's the problem, everyone's so used to the way regular controllers look that when Ninty release something like this, people's automatic reaction is:


No no no your missing the point. It looks crap.

[jaayfarley]

I think it's going to be cool watching someone else playing this console.
But if I end up playing this. Which, heheh, I won't ever see myself even being in the same BestBuy as this console. I would suck horrible at holding and reacting to this remote.

God, racing games must be hell to handle.

First person shooters would be cool though.
I'm not really saying shame to nintendo.
More like, try to be more normal.

PS3 with it's blueray drive.
Xbox 360 with.... well everything that PS3 has but not as much or a bit more but PS3.
And Nintendo Revolution with it's remotes.
I'm not saying PS3 has beautiful remotes.
Come on, a television remote.



So pretty much ignore what I said above.

Now I am saying shame.

[flapjackboy]

No no no your missing the point. It looks crap.

Just because you say it is so, does not make it true.

[Explosivo]

Just because you say it is so, does not make it true.

What just because i think it looks crap doesnt mean that i think it looks crap?

[monhay]

But seriously in my opionion it looks crap

After Fony and M$ steal the idea you won't be saying that.....

EDIT actually in the post he quoted you said "it looks crap" not "i think it looks crap"

[flapjackboy]

What just because i think it looks crap doesnt mean that i think it looks crap?

It looks crap.

No "I think" there. You are declaring it to be crap, not stating that you think it is crap.

[Explosivo]

No "I think" there. You are declaring it to be crap, not stating that you think it is crap.

Read the first post you quoted from me. And stop telling me im wrong.

[Lewiji]

Crap here

Umm...If people didn't stray away from the "normal", there'd never be any innovation. Think about all the major inventions in the last 100 years, they'd never be around if the inventors thought "Nah, I won't try and link up lots of gates to make a thinking machine, I'll go and do something more normal like an abacus with more beads..."

And for those saying "it's a remote"...Wrong. It LOOKS like a remote. It's actually an interface between you and the space around you, not just a button-pusher attached to the console. It's an innovation and adds a whole new level of interactivity and immersion never seen before (afaik).

[Cjw]

I'll give props to them...at least they are trying something different. The PS3 and Xbox 360 controllers don't exactly excite me in all honesty.

[Splush]

The design of the console and the controllers strikes me as very unusual for Nintendo, it looks very smart and (dare I say it) grown up rather than fun and quirky. I'm not sure about the design personally but it's probably a smart move in getting away from the "kiddy" image.

[flapjackboy]

Read the first post you quoted from me. And stop telling me im wrong.

I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm merely pointing out to you that saying "It looks crap" before it's even been released is ridiculous. Since all you have are pictures and a small video clip showing a bunch of japanese bods pretending to use it, you can't be so judgemental.

Just because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of what a controller should look like, does not make it crap.

[jaayfarley]

Umm...If people didn't stray away from the "normal", there'd never be any innovation. Think about all the major inventions in the last 100 years, they'd never be around if the inventors thought "Nah, I won't try and link up lots of gates to make a thinking machine, I'll go and do something more normal like an abacus with more beads..."

And for those saying "it's a remote"...Wrong. It LOOKS like a remote. It's actually an interface between you and the space around you, not just a button-pusher attached to the console. It's an innovation and adds a whole new level of interactivity and immersion never seen before (afaik).


Yes, I know.
It has that interactive thing with first person shooters and sword fighting.
But how do you think a Zelda game will handle.?

Zelda is what Nintendo is about.
What other game besides Zelda have you ever actually enjoyed.

It would be hell for me to play a new Zelda game on the Revolution.
Zelda games are huge atleast months long to beat.

I never said, "Crap here".

[flapjackboy]

Yes, I know.
It has that interactive thing with first person shooters and sword fighting.
But how do you think a Zelda game will handle.?


Use the analogue controller to move, use the main motion sensitive controller to swing the sword/use items.

[Explosivo]

I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm merely pointing out to you that saying "It looks crap" before it's even been released is ridiculous. Since all you have are pictures and a small video clip showing a bunch of japanese bods pretending to use it, you can't be so judgemental.

Just because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of what a controller should look like, does not make it crap.

So your telling me, because ive only seen pictures. Right picture being the thing that provide us with an image, in this case the image is the controller. you saying from that image i cant say it looks crap. LOOKS

When have i ever said its concept is crap?

Its great that they are making it so moves with you, so you can be part of the game. But, It looks like a tv remote. And to me for a console that looks crap. LOOKS.

And if it doenst fit my preconcived notion of what a controller should look like, to me, what do you think its going to look like then? Come on smart ass i want an answer. Oh wait ive already given you it. Crap.

[Slurp]

yeh-if u don like it jus go away rather than staing here and tellin everyone its crap

[Explosivo]

yeh-if u don like it jus go away rather than staing here and tellin everyone its crap

Is this not an open forum looking for opinions?

[Lewiji]

Yes, I know.
...
I never said, "Crap here".

I put crap here because it was a long post and it'd be a waste of space to post it again.

Hmm, good nintendo games?

The entire mario series.
The entire zelda series.
The entire metroid series.
Super Smash Bros.
Pacman.
Donkey Kong.
Kirby.
Tetris.
Star Fox.

The list goes on.

And personally, I think a Zelda game would handle brilliantly. What you don't seem to grasp is that Nintendo worship games and wouldn't make this just for attention, they make it because it brings something new and exciting into gaming which works.

Controlling Link's movement in one hand, while actually SWINGING THE SWORD in the other is gonna be fucking cool.

[Explosivo]

I put crap here because it was a long post and it'd be a waste of space to post it again.

Hmm, good nintendo games?

The entire mario series.
The entire zelda series.
The entire metroid series.
Super Smash Bros.
Pacman.
Donkey Kong.
Kirby.
Tetris.
Star Fox.

The list goes on.

And personally, I think a Zelda game would handle brilliantly. What you don't seem to grasp is that Nintendo worship games and wouldn't make this just for attention, they make it because it brings something new and exciting into gaming which works.

Controlling Link's movement in one hand, while actually SWINGING THE SWORD in the other is gonna be fucking cool.

Ive never fully got the zelda series, its always been confusing to me. I must agree as although i have made it clear i think it looks crap. Using the motion sensor as a way of hacking things does sound good fun.

[Bones]

What other game besides Zelda have you ever actually enjoyed.
Super Mario Bros.
SMB 2
SMB3
Super Mario RPG
Kirby's Canvas Curse
Metroid
Super Metroid
Super Smash Bros.
SSB Melee
Yoshi's Island
Super Mario 64
Advance Wars
Resi 4
Mario Sunshine
to name about 1/10th of them.

[Nocashvalue]

Shhhhhhhhhh kids. Explosivo has a right to his opinion (even though he likes the pen). You have a right to yours. He is merely saying that in his opinion it looks poop.

I'm very confused. It looks very sexy in my opinion, but i'm just a bit worried of the logisics of having a D-pad as standard, as oppose to an analong stick. I've never really liked d-pads brilliantly, I don't feel as in control with them. Oh but noca, you're wrong! They can make attachments! ¬__¬ yes, but making ad-ons is expensive. Some of the more poop publishers will make many games for just useage of the dpad, rather than spend stuff on attachments. I may be forgetting the movement thing, which could prove to be the average developer's new analog stick. meh. :/

Also, the thought of a seperate analog stick fills me with O_o. I normally rest a controller on my lap because of my lazy arms (:p),and am trying to work out how it would work :/

But, to rephrase what has been said many times before, ninty has more boobs balls than any other console maker at the moment.

[faragher]

Zelda is what Nintendo is about. I don't think so - Mario Karts, Super Monkey Ball, Mario Party - games you can pick up and play and enjoy immediately are what Nintendo has always made for me. You don't always want to spend 3 hours gaming (especially when you have a job, and a wife, and that TV show you like is on in half an hour). This is where Nintendo are positioning themselves, and I think it's great.

Also the controller will be great for FPS games - move with the left hand on the add on analogue stick, and aim and shoot with the pointy-wand-remote-thingy (I feel that this is the name that Nintendo will settle on). Just like on your PC - one hand on the keyboard, one on the mouse.

And it does look a bit crap, unless you happen to like simple, well designed objects that break conventions in their appearance and usage... :rolleyes:

/edit
yes, but making ad-ons is expensive. Some of the more poop publishers will make many games for just useage of the dpad, rather than spend stuff on attachments I think the analogue stick is part of the standard package... But think how many people bought those bloody bongos, for the sake of one game!

[flapjackboy]

I'm very confused. It looks very sexy in my opinion, but i'm just a bit worried of the logisics of having a D-pad as standard, as oppose to an analong stick.

I believe the analogue bit that plugs in to the bottom of the controller will be supplied with the controller. The analogue stick will still mostly be used for movement and such, the motion sensing capabilities of the main unit will be mostly used for performing actions.

[monkey magic]

erm...........
Can you say 'not real'?
I can't believe everyone fell for that!
look at the name of the site '1up' yes, gaming I know but oneupmanship anyone?
Clearly not real, why, having invented it in the first place, would nintendo fail to put the stick onto the actual pad?
I'm not convinced, and if it is real? I'll eat my words, until of course nintendo get plagued by complaints, at which point I will go 'Hahahahaha!'

[Redux]

To put it bluntly, this looks retarded.

Let's hope it works.

[faragher]

Can you say 'not real'? Clicky. *sigh* (http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=GHvX4mZtsIhFJHkJI0Wf1j9D7O9HY Z7c&feature=cW3zph-okNF9NvpCTVBX3ENn7U6AwIw_)

and this (http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651224p1.html) is a pretty good article on it.

[Lewiji]

erm........... (OVERUSE OF ELLIPSIS)

http://cube.ign.com/

If you don't trust IGN, I suggest you turn off your computer

[Splush]

erm...........
Can you say 'not real'?
I can't believe everyone fell for that!
look at the name of the site '1up' yes, gaming I know but oneupmanship anyone?
Clearly not real, why, having invented it in the first place, would nintendo fail to put the stick onto the actual pad?
I'm not convinced, and if it is real? I'll eat my words, until of course nintendo get plagued by complaints, at which point I will go 'Hahahahaha!'
Wow. It seems all the bullshit rumours, videos and photoshops we get fed have caused a "boy who cried wolf" scenario where we just distrust everything by default :) This is absolutely definitely real.

edit: beaten :p

Now I've had a chance to read the articles and watch the videos I really love this idea. I can't say for sure if I'd be comfortable playing all games like that until I've actually tried the thing out but the potential for this controller is amazing. I was one of the people scoffing at the DS when it was announced and I don't intend to make that mistake again. It's hard to see this kind of control actually taking over traditional two-handed pads but I love the fact Nintendo aren't afraid to live up to their promises of innovation.

I love what Iwata(?) said about the Revolution catering for smaller developers as well, saying that those developers with really great ideas but lacking the funds to produce games for MS or Sony will be able to do all their crazy stuff on Revolution. This is all rather fantastic news if you ask me. It's obviously down to software to make use of the system's potential in a way that actually remains fun, and I'm sure we'll see an assload of shitty throwaway 'tech demo' style games but when people get used to it this system should provide lots of fun and genuinely unique games.

I must say I don't understand how this will suit FPS games, can anyone explain what I'm missing?

[Cjw]

I can't believe everyone fell for that!

Yeah..i mean nintendo doing a fake keynote presentation was so funneh. :rolleyes:

[splodge]

*waits for word eating*

[Bisyss]

erm...........
Can you say 'not real'?
I can't believe everyone fell for that!
look at the name of the site '1up' yes, gaming I know but oneupmanship anyone?
Clearly not real, why, having invented it in the first place, would nintendo fail to put the stick onto the actual pad?
I'm not convinced, and if it is real? I'll eat my words, until of course nintendo get plagued by complaints, at which point I will go 'Hahahahaha!'
Personally, I think it's too mad to fake.

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how this works with other games, apart from Zelda and FPS's. I can't see this working with a fighter, but then, I couldn't see a remote-control-like motion-sensitive controller. And look what happened!

EDIT: Does anyone else think "Nunchaku" is a bad name for the remote+analog setup? Sure, it sounds cool, but wait until some idiot (or developer...) tries to use the setup like actual nunchaku.

[Nocashvalue]

Fighter = controlled with d-pad, with real time jabs of the controller?

[jaayfarley]

I just changed my mind.
I think this is going to be pretty decent.

Controlling Link's sword.
Wow, that would be amazing.

But, hahaha.

Imagine you are playing super smash brothers revolution.
And you are playing with let's say 4 friends.
You are going to have 4 people jumping around moving the remote and flying all over the place.

It's going to look ridiculas.

[basstard]

God, racing games must be hell to handle.

I'm not sure - besides the d-pad or an analogue stick, an accelerator and a brake, what more's needed? A back-to-basics racer like that could be great.

Ok, so nitrous, weapons, viewchange and everything else would need to go somewhere too



What worries me is that some of the big "opinion" peoples out there have rubbished it - look at Penny Arcade.

don't have anything polite to say about the controller for the Nintendo Revolution. Watching the DS shift from something I furrow my brow at to something I take with me everywhere has bought them this courtesy.

This worries me, if it can't convince them...


edit - to be fair, it is very left field. But good on 'em for it.


edit edit - everyone, stop looking at it as a glorified TV remote. Now, look at it as a minimalist controller. Looks better that way.

[Redux]

It just seems as though certain games will benefit greatly, while others ought to be crippled.

I would rather them make two controllers available. If an old-fashioned controller with a ton of buttons were made available I would pick that one over the remote control.

[Cjw]

Well, the console is going to have gamecube ports. And i'm sure someone will hammer out an unnofical more basic controller.

[Nocashvalue]

Don't forget the GC controller works on them, so that could be used :3

[Lewiji]

It's going to look ridiculas.

That's true, the likelihood of injury during multiplayer must increase with this!

It just seems as though certain games will benefit greatly, while others ought to be crippled.

I would rather them make two controllers available. If an old-fashioned controller with a ton of buttons were made available I would pick that one over the remote control.

That's a point too, I'm sure Nintendo will think up some amazing stuff but I wouldn't mind a "normal" controller too, although the NES style one sideways isn't too bad.

[Redux]

Is that right?

YES!

[Bloopo]

If they can pull this off, it would be a 'revolution', but I'm slightly skeptical about whether non-die hard Nintendo fans would buy it.

[Splush]

It just seems as though certain games will benefit greatly, while others ought to be crippled.

I would rather them make two controllers available. If an old-fashioned controller with a ton of buttons were made available I would pick that one over the remote control.
I'm hoping they won't just cram every cross-platform FPS and racing game onto this system, and actually concentrate on games developed specifically for it. We can already play FPS games on PCs, Playstations and Xboxen, but theres only one system that will make us spaz out on the sofa while trying to catch fish with our creepy disembodied fishing rods. Or whatever.

[Bisyss]

Fighter = controlled with d-pad, with real time jabs of the controller?
Hmm...

How about being able to control the character with the stick, using A & B for punches and kicks, with the postion of the remote modifing them? (e.g. moving it towards the character's back for a more powerful attack)
This could work...

God, racing games must be hell to handle.Not really. A for accelerator, B for brake and you rotate the remote to steer. You could also flip around and use the buttons on the bottom, so you can rotate it with two hands, like a proper steering wheel.

I've just noticed something typing that. This could spell the end of third party lightguns and steering wheels as the remote can be used as both. The more I write about this thing, the more I like it!

EDIT:I must say I don't understand how this will suit FPS games, can anyone explain what I'm missing?You're missing the B button under the remote, which could be used as a trigger. Analog stick to move+remote to aim and fire=FPS.

[Lewiji]

If they can pull this off, it would be a 'revolution', but I'm slightly skeptical about whether non-die hard Nintendo fans would buy it.

Well I was a die-hard PS1 fan, then a hardcore Xbox fanboy, but this revolution has really got me and I'm gagging to get my hands on one, whereas the other 2 consoles had me doubting whether I'd bother buying a console. I think it's more the non-die hard gamers in general who are less likely to buy one :)

[Redux]

I know.

MOTION SENSOR BRASS KNUCKLES AND BOOTS.

THE ULTIMATE FOR THE FIGHTING EXPERIENCE.

I would probably kick myself in the face.

[Nocashvalue]

Hmm.
Twould also increase RTS playability on consoles 10fold.

[Oooh Yeah]

i honestly think this is rad.
if it is reasonably priced i'm getting one.. they'll be a right laugh.

thank you nintendo, you've won me back since the days of the original see-through gameboy.

i think this is going to be good fun as long as it's well put together and not a gimmick like the PS2 webcam thing.

i think this will mean more good games, but a smaller catalogue, because this isn't a traditional system for people to design games for.. could lead to complications if a proper development environment isn't there and training.

i'll be happy with one of these in my house with a ton of controllers, i do hope this controller is sturdy and well built.

[Bloopo]

I must say, it does look spiffier than the other two consoles, but it'll be the games and the price that finally swing it for me.

[Bisyss]

Hmm, I just thought of something. If the Revolution has ports for GC controllers, does this mean that the Revolution is back-compatable? Interesting...

[Oooh Yeah]

probably, i doubt it will be compulsory.. imagine nintendo giving them namco that to make it work with resident evil.

[Splush]

Hmm, I just thought of something. If the Revolution has ports for GC controllers, does this mean that the Revolution is back-compatable? Interesting...
It is, you'll be able to play Gamecube discs in the Revolution and also play games from the back catalogues of pre-Cube Nintendo consoles by downloading them onto internal memory.

[Bisyss]

It is, you'll be able to play Gamecube discs in the Revolution and also play games from the back catalogues of pre-Cube Nintendo consoles by downloading them onto internal memory.
If Nintendo don't hype that up, they're idiots.

[Boyinabox]

When I first say this I burst out laughing, then I fell solemly silent, then I started smiling, then my face split in two after fighting over which emotion to display.

Only the Japanesse have the fucking balls to do this, thank god for Nintendo and good luck to it!

[Oooh Yeah]

i've never seen such a buisness risk in such a dodgy market.

they've obviously got this crew of researchers who have faith in this reaching a market of non gamers.. "those scared by complexities from sony and xbox"
but those share-holders must be real great people.. i don't think you'd get this in western culture.

[Youlikeyams?]

That's just plain weird. It's a TV remote - but it's a game controller. :confused:

If Ninty can pull this off, I'll be incredibly surprised - that'll be a flipping revolution.

[Lewiji]

That's just plain weird. It's a TV remote - but it's a game controller. :confused:

I'm sure you people are completely missing the point of this controller.

[flapjackboy]

If Nintendo don't hype that up, they're idiots.

Too true. Sony thought they had a good thing going when they made the PS2 backwardly compatible. The revvy just pwns Sony at their own game and then some.

[Swirl]

True.
Reading about the revoloution controller brings a smile to my face. But the 'ultra cool' (chavs) people wouldn't be seen dead waving what looks like a remote around themselves. Plus they all love Playstation.
I think that maybe this is an effort to bring the whole concept of japanese psycho gaming to western culture, so we can enjoy it too. Nintendo have definitely won me over this time. After all, all the sony PS3 and xbox 360 are doing is making the same type of games (racing, FPS, Adventure etc...) with better graphics.
*Ponders whether Revoloution will connect to a computer screen* :) if so.

[Cjw]

If Nintendo don't hype that up, they're idiots.

Wouldn't put a bet on the UK marketting hyping it up. Adverts for the revolution will probably involve people pleasuring themseleves with the controller if the current campaign is anything to go by.

[Boyinabox]

Well according to a poll on the BBC website 51% of people have said the new controller is a miss. And thats out of 74,000 people.

Good start. :p

edit:\ woops, that 7400 not 74000.
Nintendo really would have been screwed then. :rolleyes:

[Bisyss]

Well according to a poll on the BBC website 51% of people have said the new controller is a miss. And thats out of 74,000 people.

Good start. :p
Mind you, people said that about flying...

[Cjw]

I think this will be a thing that you really have to try out before totally dismissing it. Well not really i suppose, you can easily lambast it now, but i think it's worth a look at. Regardless,I look foward to the hilarity of instoor units next year/2007 :D

That's if they actually bother to not set them to rolling demos..aye game? :rolleyes:

[JonathanEx]

Well according to a poll on the BBC website 51% of people have said the new controller is a miss. And thats out of 74,000 people.

Good start. :p

And according to another BBC poll less than 0.1% like the DS, and more like Gizmondo. Uh huh.

[drunk_monk]

Its very mind-boggleing but the more i look at it the more potential i see in it. It will feel wierd controlling a 3d game with 1 hand & a remote so i'd say this technique will require getting use to. I'm considering buying the Revolution if it isn't too dear.

[basstard]

During the demonstration during Mr Iwata's speech, the controller was seen being used by players to conduct an on-screen orchestra, play a virtual musical instrument and even use an in-game dentists' drill.

Am I the only one excited by all three of these possibilities?

Link here - http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4251720.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_news_nintendo_16_ 09_05

[Cjw]

That's a bit misleading. All that was was just a promotional video of people imitating what could be done, with acompanying sound effects.

[CoX]

My first reaction: Oh no. Nintendo has just sealed their fate.

There has always been a niggling in the back of my mind that they will make it too different. People don't like change, especially in the UK. Thats why in this industry, the sequel is king. People know what they are getting.

I have just been arguing with my X-Box fanboy friend for over an hour. He is still judging the controller on one picture, and when I told him that it detects motion, he said "wow". Which is a pretty big thing for him.

I'm watching the keynote speech, and I am beginning to get excited. However, I will not play one until I try one in a shop or at a friend's house. This appears to be the reaction for a lot of people, so there better be a lot of demo pods shipped to these shores.

[Jay]

I just had a thought...imaging Wario Ware on this thing...that'll be sweet.

Also...no Chassisbot posts? WTF??

[Tiggs]

If someone makes a multiplayer sword fighting game for the revolution, I will be buying one, no arguments.

The more I look at this controler the better it looks to me. I can see some killer potential in it

[Jay]

zOMG Lightsabre dueling anyone?

[faragher]

heh. That was quick (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/mousedown/revo.swf). thanks to madsen for the link

[Jay]

Hahaha, they should of made that a tech demo :p

[Chassisbot]

What, no Chassisbot?

It's weird. It's like a TV remote with a D-Pad. First impressions are OMHWTF THAT'S ALL WRONG, but it's curious enough to grab my attention. It's definitely one of those try-before-you-buy jobbies; in all fairness to Ninty, they've done something which is very, very different. Whether that will make them or ultimately be their undoing is yet to be decided; for now, like a lot of people, I'm watching with interest.

Present!

Herbie showed this to me in school, and my first impression was: This has GOT to be a fake. Then I looked.

And wet my pants.

But not with urine.

This is AWESOMELY ninjaric. Jesus, it does everything. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.

Winnar.

[JonathanEx]

After a day of thinking of awesome ideas, I've realized, if this thing has Mario Tennis, I'm gonna be ready for that game outside the store, camping for a week.

[Cerberus]

It really will be a revolution huh?

Looks very nice, maybe not from a gaming view at the moment, no analouge?

[Jay]

Theres an attachable analouge foo...

[JonathanEx]

Analouge is on the main 2nd-hand-add-on which will be included with the system.
edit:arghsametimepost

[Jay]

:p Jay 4 teh win

[JonathanEx]

You know, I want a Revolution right now. Not to play games, no, it's not a killer Mario title that wants me to get one, I just want to be able to pick up that controller and play. MAN that's pretty damn good, I got a DS cause I saw the cool stuff it could do, but I want one of these for the cool stuff it might be able to do and we haven't seen any ingame footage!

I think I want to become a game developer.

[Jay]

Sure almost all sport ames would be ace with it.

Not sure about footie mind...

[RevJ42]

Well, I'm having a revolution hangover. I can't be bothered to do the time conversion, but in Australia, I've had a night to sleep on it, and I've concluded that it really has a lot of potential, and now it's just down to the marketing. Which, of course, obviously isn't doing too badly. I mean, 9 pages in about half a day ain't bad.

Anyhoo, lets look at the genres that it will help and hinder, IMO:
Help: FPS, mostly. I mean, look at it, IT'S A GUN
Sports games
Action games (I think it'd work really well as a sword, and think that their killer app will be a Zelda game)

Hinder: Racing games
Adventure games

Well, I've never like Racing games, so I don't care.

But, If I remeber correctly, EyeToy and SingStar and all that bullshit sell like hotcakes, and this is basically that times a million. So, I really am betting on Revolution to at least boost Nintendo's market share.

Have you ever watched someone who isn't a gamer play the nes or snes? With the leaning and stuff? Nuff said.

[Jay]

Think it'll work well with racers...after all its basicly a steering wheel.

[RevJ42]

So your saying you'd hold it in two hand and rotate it like a steering wheel? Interesting idea... I think it'll depend on how sensitive the rotation is.. we already now that the movement is sensitive, from IGN, but I haven't heard much about the rotation. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch to implement a gyroscope. I think that we'll have no real idea until we feel it, but we can get a basic idea. IMO, using it as a NES controller looks incredibly uncomfortable, too fat and narrow.

[Jay]

Well its not 100% finished yet apparently...ironing out the bugs begins now.

[Fade Away]

I think.

Nintendo is going to pull this off, and it's going to be AMAZING.

I just think that since it's a gun pretty much, is the shit.

And if you can drive by tilting it.

It is the shit.

Exciting!!

[Soapie]

I am hoping with all of my Nintendo fangirl heart that this controller works and works well. Looking at it and the myriad of ways it can be used (and the fact that if you turn it on its side is a NES controller!) it really really should. The Revolution just keeps looking better and better.

[Slurp]

hang on, i cant see anyway that platformers are going to benifit from this-any ideas???

[Nali]

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

taken from: http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html

this isnt real, but the final design will have a "shell" pretty similar.

[Thomp]

Looks very nice I must admit. The Controller design is nicely done too, never seen anything like it :)

Still prefer the Xbox 360, but now Revolution may prove to be a very good contender

[Mezmerize]

It looks strange, i can't wait to play it.

It looks like it will be something that you have to try regardless if you like nintendo or not

[Lewiji]

Here's a thought...

"Proper" duel weapons...It's a one handed controller without the analogue stick, 2 controllers = 2 weapons, rather than shooting with one controller and controlling 2 weapons in the same place (think dualies in CS...now imagine being able to control them as 2 individual weapons!)

[Goose in a jar]

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg
All the buttons and the movement sensing... space ship games aced.

I have only ever owned a couple of ye ole gameboys over the years, but I have been eyeing Nintendo throughout my gamerling life.

This makes RPG players sing for their supper instead of hack and slash, possibly draw symbols for spells hmm /B&W.

As has been mentioned before RTS on console at last *submits to ADD a goes around running and jumping*
The mouse is the heart of RTS, this controller is a tyrant sized heart
Let me explain the mouse senses on a flat surface this is 3d meaning even more control and many implications for that new dimension of movement(Also no hotkeys never could do them).

Being a mech warrior fan this makes me hope for mech games to go to shooting and hitting like in the original battle tech books n stuff, but sadly M$ owns the mech franchise.

Open your minds, gamepads are not aeons year old tools we evolved with, the revolution controller works like many sorts of real life tool rather than just being buttons and nobs on a vibrating lump.

And possibly being able plug a DS up to it (which I don't have) = mmm.

Anyone utilising the natural human ability to interpret information should have oppurtunistic expectations once they look further into it.

[Jay]

And possibly being able plug a DS up to it (which I don't have) = mmm.Get one, they're freaking sweet :D

[Mozzer]

Anyone who wants to see the keynote speech and the controller in action:

Linky McLink (http://cubemovies.ign.com/cube/video/article/651/651383/revolutionunveiling_091605_qtlow.mov)

Similar to everyone else, my first reaction to the picture was "WTF mate?" which slowly warmed into "Duuude!" having begun to read the information and how it works and stuff.

I think this is a really bold move from Nintendo. There's no doubt it will attract non-gamers, but I'm just slightly worried that it will alienate non-Nintendo gamers. Then again, to hell with them, it's their own loss, and no doubt Ninty will easily replace them with the new gamers they hope to appeal to. I want one. If it's easy on the bank balance like Cube was/is, then I have no doubt whether I'll be getting one.

[Oooh Yeah]

god dam i want one, if you haven't seent he video on ign of the people playing the game go watch it.
it looks so much fun.
i just watched the 50 minute keynote from the TGS and it's just sealed the deal hearing what hideo kojima and the guys at square enix think of it.

the base console is hopefully going to be priced at $200 = £120ish, will include the basic remote and the nunchuka controller, the shell will be an extra which has been shown earlier in the thread.

my only criticisms so far are.. i hope these controllers aren't plasticy and cheap, i want something made from a quality plastic that you can get away with dropping and transporting in a ruck sack to a mates house etc.. unlike NES controllers, and original playstation controllers..

i think sony got it right with the dual shock 2, right balance of weight and quality, i'd also like it to have force feedback but this seems unlikely considering it's going to be running on batteries.

i hope it's responsive and accurate enough to create great gameplay. i hope they get a good set of titles out. i hope the multiplay is fun (super monkey ball *drool*) and online play is as good as they're hyping it (and free)

the console design is great, silent, small, cheap and simple.. i really don't have any beef with nintendo except the quality of interation with the machine and multiplay.

[Slurp]

hav they given a price for the ps3 or xbox 360 yet??? im a devout nintendoer but i was jus wondering-an ill say agin-this issne gonna be any good for platformers

[Mozzer]

the base console is hopefully going to be priced at $200 = £120ish, will include the basic remote and the nunchuka controller, the shell will be an extra which has been shown earlier in the thread.
Just remember that unfortunately in the UK we suffer from b*stard game price conversions:

e.g. Xbox at launch $299 = £299?!

But even if it does come out at about £200, that's still a damn good price for a console launch and is sure to be an important factor in the console's success. I know it'll be crucial for me. :)

[saha17]

to tell you the truth i dont actually like it it looks horrible.

[JonathanEx]

http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?page_id=25 have got a better quality version of the Revolution demo video. I'm not sure how good the full Keynote is though, but it's all from the official feed.

[Oooh Yeah]

the keynote i found was excellent, it showed the slides from the presentation and while the dubbing was poor, and because he was speaking so slowly there are often 10 second pauses..
please bear in mind this keynote does not talk about the console much, but more the economy of the games industry, lots of babble you might not be interested in really, especially considering it's 50 minutes long.
taking into consideration i'm on a mac where WMP sucks i was happy, very good feed.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/176/screenshot1425df.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this poll is taken from a .BBC news article (http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4251720.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_news_nintendo_16_ 09_05)

12,000 says a lot in my opinion.

[eidderf]

hav they given a price for the ps3 or xbox 360 yet??? im a devout nintendoer but i was jus wondering-an ill say agin-this issne gonna be any good for platformers
If you read through this thread you would have read that there is an adaptor being made so you can games the old fashion way if it is needed and for third party games. So platformers will be possible, though the controller does have an analogue stick free with it so you should be able to play platformers without the need for an adaptor.
Anyway I think the controller seems very promising, but like most people I have to play it first and see how it handles and how comfortable it is. I would probably just purchase a Revolution to test this control out.
I have a question, did Iwata say that there would be more news in October?
Edit) If you want to watch the keynote, watch it on Nintendo.co.uk it has some good features like the slides. You get to see some good pictures of Animal crossing's cover and the rev control.

[Jay]

Yeah but they also said people rathered a Gizmondo to a DS...you do the math dude.

[Oooh Yeah]

yes, more news in october with demos he hinted.
perhaps working demos.

gizmondo = junk, geez i wonder how people backed that thing with money. yuk on a stick

[JonathanEx]

I have a question, did Iwata say that there would be more news in October?
Information on Wifi Connection will be given in October.

[Jay]

I can't wait for Metroid Prime 3...it will be amazing with those controllers.

[Oooh Yeah]

i think while sony and microsoft will be out to rape UK consumers as much as they can with effectively what is anti competition strategies nintendo want this to be cheap, that's why they're not going all out with the hardware.

"we're not following microsoft and sony"

the gamecube was reasonably priced, and i remember seeing donkey konga for £30 with the bongos.. i see gamecubes in town for £69.99 with a game.

i think it will be cheap.

[JonathanEx]

With the 360 core system at £210, Nintendo will definatly price this below £200 to make it seem like the better, more affordable one. I'm thinking £150 to £179.99 personally.

[Jay]

I'm getting this release day I recon...start saving ASAP :D

[JonathanEx]

I think it's time for an old-fasioned midnight queing. I mean, GAME and stuff have been screwing that up with their preorder stuff, asigning their entire stock to preorders and you have to wait for "second shipment".

[Oooh Yeah]

get it from amazon. simple as that..

why the hell should you pay game £20 months in advance to get one.. when they earn interest on your money. then they cock it up.

pre-order it elsewhere.. amazon don't charge. and you'll get it sent out the day before release to get to you by release morning.

all prices are standard on release really..

[Bones]

For those wondering about the controller & downloaderised games:


Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on?

Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded.

So there's that option - but even while it's inserted into the classic-style shell, the freehand controller will still be able to sense positioning and so on, so there are more options too.

It's something that's just as true for the DS - not every game uses the DS's unique features. But some multi-platform titles do, like The Sims 2 for example. We hope other developers will do the same and look at ways their multi-platform titles can make use of the Revolution's features.

Eurogamer: Is the freehand-style controller your trump card, or have we got more exciting stuff to look forward to?

Jim Merrick: Let's just say we have more surprises in store.

[Oooh Yeah]

standard. pretty simple assumption from the pictures earlier on in the thread.

another quote this time from Wired News (http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,68869-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1)

"The analog-stick pod, which Miyamoto playfully referred to as the "nunchuck controller" due to its shape, was used to move around while the standard controller was used to point, aim, look in all directions and shoot. Within seconds, I was running down corridors and blasting enemies with pinpoint precision."

sounds like it's going to be a quality bit of kit as far as interaction with the machine is concerned if you can shoot and aim.

this demo Miyamoto put together with the Metroid team was made in like 2 weeks.
and ported a level from metroid for the gamecube. bear in mind that many games are years in the making.
so it's all looking promising from my previous criticisms of the system

[Slurp]

If you read through this thread you would have read that there is an adaptor being made so you can games the old fashion way if it is needed and for third party games. So platformers will be possible, though the controller does have an analogue stick free with it so you should be able to play platformers without the need for an adaptor.

i didne mean how are platformes going to work i meant how are they going to be ENHANCED-are revolution games going to have too much forced enginuety??

[Oooh Yeah]

doubt it. they want to widen the games market, appeal to new people who will use a simple one handed controler for new styles of games, and still please their hard-core gamer market with the option of using the shell or not.

i doubt many games will 'force' you to use something you don't like.

they will however force you to try it out :) by only giving you the nunchucks in the box.

[Jay]

Wonder if you'll actully need to use them as nunchucks in a game...that would be fun...

[Slurp]

damn straigt-however-nunchuks are painfull to use........for me anyway

[Goose in a jar]

Wonder if you'll actully need to use them as nunchucks in a game...that would be fun...

That would be broken.

What worries me about wireless controllers (other than this one) is the chance of them being dropped accidentally, because I would sure hate to pay for a new one.

[Lewiji]

to tell you the truth i dont actually like it it looks horrible.

Errm...I don't know how anyone can say it looks horrible, it's basically a white rectangle with buttons on it. It is impossible to make a white rectangle look ugly.

Besides, I dunno about you but I tend to look at the screen when I'm playing games, not the controller...

[Jay]

Besides, I dunno about you but I tend to look at the screen when I'm playing games, not the controller...Good point...unless your an arse who can't grasp a layout of a controller, you do not look at a contoller.
What worries me about wireless controllers (other than this one) is the chance of them being dropped accidentally, because I would sure hate to pay for a new one.I have dropped my wavebird countless times...still A-O.K.
Nintendo makes stuff thats bloody invincible...by right my SP should be in pieces, but it still works as well as the day I bought it. Not to mention my bongos which ive beaten the shit out of numerous times.

[Nocashvalue]

That would be broken.

What worries me about wireless controllers (other than this one) is the chance of them being dropped accidentally, because I would sure hate to pay for a new one.

:/
they have jsut as much risk of being dropped as controllers with cables. Cables don't do some kind of antigravitational thang and keep the controller from hitting the floor :P

[jonffm]

Nintendo makes stuff thats bloody invincible...by right my SP should be in pieces, but it still works as well as the day I bought it. Not to mention my bongos which ive beaten the shit out of numerous times.


Gotta give Nintendo credit for that. I've had my gameboy for a good 8 years, and it's been beaten around more times than a dutch hooker, but still works fine.

[Splush]

The mouse is the heart of RTS, this controller is a tyrant sized heart
Let me explain the mouse senses on a flat surface this is 3d meaning even more control and many implications for that new dimension of movement(Also no hotkeys never could do them).
To be honest, when I heard that 360 and PS3 were supporting Hi Def as standard I thought "woo, RTS on consoles!". I think a decent screen resolution is almost as important to RTS games as a mouse is, so it's a shame Nintendo are ignoring HD.

What worries me about wireless controllers (other than this one) is the chance of them being dropped accidentally, because I would sure hate to pay for a new one.
Isn't it just as easy to drop and break wired controllers? It's not like they're wired to the ceiling.

[JonathanEx]

It's not like they're wired to the ceiling.

You just gave me a very stupid idea involving a button and movement. AND a controller wired to the celing.

[Boyinabox]

Do tell. :p

[JonathanEx]

Well, you press this button, and it's all 'wwwweeeeiiiirrrr' and the controllers all come down from the ceiling with lots of smoke and it's also all 'frooosh' and then the controller lands on your lap. You'd press it again and it'll be all 'rrrriiiieeeeewwww' and takes them back up.
I haven't yet figured out the problem about seeing around the wires yet.

On another note...
DoA Beach Volleyball 2 would be perfect for the Rev. The remote is in your hand, literally hitting the ball.
The other hand is free to do 'other' things.... and well, take that as what you will.

[Splush]

In the event of the loss of cabin pressure, a SNES controller pad will lower from the panel above you and allow you to happily play Mario Kart and try to ignore your impending doom.

[Oooh Yeah]

i hope they get a good racer for the gamecube.. i'm sure they'll get burnout but please get something as good as gran tusimo/project gotham nintendo..

i dunno about driving games in general with the controller.. perhaps the nunchuck adapter could be used for manual gear shifting

i'm sure mario kart would be a laugh but a good racer and a rally game would really get a lot of gamers into nintendo's hands.. it's a requirement to a good console for many players, i think it's why sony have the dominance.. they have their flagship gran turismo.

[monkey magic]

After a long wait.
After reading all possible articles on this subject I've ome to realise that this is a fantastic idea, much like everything nintendo does.
I would also like to take this oppotunity to say..... Well, I think this gif says it well enough:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9698/eatwords9ra.th.gif (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eatwords9ra.gif)

[Jay]

Heh that made me chuckle :)

[Oooh Yeah]

i believe the saying is: i'm so hungry i could eat a horse.

chop chop

http://secure.racecafe.co.nz/store/html/images/bandanas/cartoon-horse-01.gif

[monkey magic]

You want me to eat that?

[Oooh Yeah]

el. oh. el.

[splodge]

You want me to eat that?
I think you have eaten enough.

[ZekeyLizard]

i believe the saying is: i'm so hungry i could eat a horse.

chop chop

http://secure.racecafe.co.nz/store/html/images/bandanas/cartoon-horse-01.gif


Good lord.
Could that horse be any more homoerotic?



*mspaints a pen0r on it*

[basstard]

Good lord.
Could that horse be any more homoerotic?



*mspaints a pen0r on it*

MSPaint a Revolution controller on it. Apparently some peoples are already calling it "the penis".

[Soapie]

MSPaint a Revolution controller on it. Apparently some peoples are already calling it "the penis".It looks about as much like a penis as a desk calendar looks like a horse.

[Oooh Yeah]

depends how drunk you are, i've seen some real sexy desk calendars around the office at christmas parties..

[Soapie]

depends how drunk you are, i've seen some real sexy desk calendars around the office at christmas parties..You find horses attractive?

[monkey magic]

only on weekends.

[splodge]

only on weekends.
And what day is it today?

[Cailet]

To avoid bestial wrongness here (and announce my first post) I think I know what the next big surprise of Revolution is.

Take with salt I guess but there were some rumours floating around about a new coding system that Nintendo were working on which is simpler and produces more graphics with less hardware power.

But what I'm really excited about here...

30-player F-zero games through the wireless internet! Everyone dead by the end of lap 1 :D

[Oooh Yeah]

i think that the coding system is unlikely.
are they power PC processors going in there? like in the xbox..?
because powerPC processors used in macs use less electricity, they are slower but more efficient at churning out processes in one cycle, which is why mac laptops are so good for battery life.

i think they want to announce something that the consumer directy cares about, something revolutionary, living up to the name.. i think coding technology is the stuff left on the fact sheet at the back of the glossy magazine with pict0rs and in the board room.

[CoX]

I will be buying an XBox 360 and a Revolution - the Revolution may not receive a lot of third party support from EA and the like, who would not want to spend too much money on porting a game to Revo.

It certainly looks promising though.

[Cerberus]

Heh

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/mousedown/revo.swf

[monkey magic]

I will be buying an XBox 360 and a Revolution - the Revolution may not receive a lot of third party support from EA and the like, who would not want to spend too much money on porting a game to Revo.All the more reason to buy one, The new control style will put off lazy developers like EA and make our genepool all the more clear.

[Cailet]

i think that the coding system is unlikely.
are they power PC processors going in there? like in the xbox..?
because powerPC processors used in macs use less electricity, they are slower but more efficient at churning out processes in one cycle, which is why mac laptops are so good for battery life.

i think they want to announce something that the consumer directy cares about, something revolutionary, living up to the name.. i think coding technology is the stuff left on the fact sheet at the back of the glossy magazine with pict0rs and in the board room.

The real thing about the coding is the shiny graphics (unlikely but if the coding lives up to the hype Sony might look very silly with it's graphics obsession). Plus they planned to support small developers (the ones who do freeware and stuff) so the simpler the coding the better for it.

The biggest suprise to matter directly to the consumer would be internet. If it really is free and as good as Microsoft's then that would be impressive.

[flapjackboy]

Plus they planned to support small developers (the ones who do freeware and stuff) so the simpler the coding the better for it.

I can think of one game that would kick ass on the revvy.

Darwinia.

Here's hoping Introversion are planning a port. (Actually, it wouldn't be too difficult as there's already a Mac version and since the revvy is going to be using PPC processors too...)

[ZekeyLizard]

If the "shell" for this controller is INDEED a gamecube-esque 2nd controller (a bit like the gamecube and dreamcast merged together) as the picture 3 or 4 pages back shows, then I officially name Nintendo WINNAR of the "Ugliest but Most Innovative Thing Since Sex" award.

[poliobear]

the controller does'nt really look like the dreamcast controller other than the thumbsticks. i think the revvy will be a pretty cool console, although i won't be getting one, i play xbox, if i had enough money i'd get both, still seems like a pretty solid system.

[Slurp]

OMG-can u imagine a crazy online multiplayer zelda fight!?!?!?!-i cant reeli but if i cold i reckon it would kick ass

[Dingbat]

This page so far makes me cry. :(

[Woloch]

it looks... interesting.

I'll have to see how the games make use of it before I pass judgement, but at first sight it looks like it's going to be very very awkward for a lot of games. However, the whole point and click controller thing is AWESOME. Now they just have to get some good FPSs.

[Slurp]

i agree with dingbat- i ccant think of anything good or interesting to say..................for a change

[JonathanEx]

Are you sad, have no life and are desperate to play with the Revolution controller? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THIS POST!!!

You too can be a sad person who has made a PAPER MODEL! That's right, sit in the living room looking like a twat hitting the air with a folded piece of paper!

Download today!
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/320/revconpaper1rj.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2954/reference3rn.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8428/10033691ah.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8028/backangle6jf.jpg

[Slurp]

AHAHAHAHA-thas truly amazin-well done

[Oooh Yeah]

sexual.
i want one made out of cream crackers and rich tea biscuits (well they're not worthy of being eaten are they?)

[Jay]

I am so making that when I get home :D

[Chassisbot]

On a tangent, I have noticed that whenever the word Nintendo is said, I am instantly expected to pop in and defend their decisions against any heathen fanb0ys who happen to own anything not made by the big N.

[Sebastian]

Everyone says bad stuff when Nintendo release something new, but why is it now that we treasure games such as the Wind Waker and the DS?

[Slurp]

On a tangent, I have noticed that whenever the word Nintendo is said, I am instantly expected to pop in and defend their decisions against any heathen fanb0ys who happen to own anything not made by the big N.
yeh,same here-infact the other day someone was tryin to piss me off by saying: hay james,i hear the DS is really crap-not that u know what i look like but do i have nintendo defender stamped on my head or something???

[Oooh Yeah]

sums up society don't it? driven by possesions.. defence of something you put your name to.
our possesions in fact own us..

[Jay]

...um...on topic...

I've seen loads of mock-ups people have made as controller attachments one that looked like a hand gun and another that looks like a steering wheel...

I'll post them if i can find them again..

[Jay]

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheel24to.jpg
Steering wheel...

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gun4qc.jpg
Light gun...

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=revfish8qs.jpg
Fishin' attachment...

Some good ideas I recon.

[Dingbat]

Hey, I know!

Why don't we get an attachment for EVERY GENRE OF GAME.

¬_¬

[eidderf]

Now this is starting to worry me, I hope there isn't that many attachments. I mean I know they enhance the game, but I don't want to have to pay extra for an attachment to get the most out of the game. I will probably buy a traditional control shell and maybe another a control but nothing more than that, unless something really amazing is released

[Oooh Yeah]

all very reasonable.

the steering wheel i find most elegant... but i wonder if the system could be accurate enough to warrant it.. they did say that it would be able to detect angles and distance, but only at the screen.. many games for powerslides require high speed driving, i seriously doubt the wireless could handle that.

i would be in my element if that was do-able though, god.. lets hope they get a dam driving game out besides mario kart.

i think the gun is unlikely seeing as the remote already functions as one.. it seems a pointless acccesory.

fishing rod.. i'm sure there was one of these for the dreamcast, but obviously not motion detected...

[Splush]

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheel24to.jpg
Steering wheel...

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gun4qc.jpg
Light gun...

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=revfish8qs.jpg
Fishin' attachment...

Some good ideas I recon.
The gun one makes a lot of sense, I was questioning how good a shooting game with a remote could be, at least a gun grip on the end will make sense. Also, Nintendo can then be blamed for training kids to shoot up their schools which will do a lot to change their boring 'family friendly' image :)

I'm still thinking that driving with a disembodied steering wheel would be pretty nasty, though.

Edit: Now Oooh Yeah mentions it, paying seperately for that gun 'shell' might not be too popular unless it's dirt cheap.

[Splush]

Now this is starting to worry me, I hope there isn't that many attachments. I mean I know they enhance the game, but I don't want to have to pay extra for an attachment to get the most out of the game. I will probably buy a traditional control shell and maybe another a control but nothing more than that, unless something really amazing is released
People spaz out about the Xbox 360 and PS3 not having HDDs as standard, saying that developers will always develop for the lowest common denominator, and therefore the largest potential market. It seems to me that having too many controller attachments could have a similar effect.

[ZekeyLizard]

Nintenbarber anyone?

YTMND.

[KamikzeWatermln]

well i think the controller looks pretty good

really. if you stop and consider the possibilities so much could be done with this. give it a chance.

[Woloch]

how would the point and click style work in multiplayer?

if I have to point and shoot in that tiny little box on my screen while my friends are trying to do the same on all their tiny little screens, it's bound to be awful frustrating.

barring that, you would still have to learn a new control style for the multiplayer. I guess that wouldn't be too hard.

I'm actually pretty excited about this now. The revolution has gained my "early frontrunner" classification.

the ps3 and xbox look like "more of the same, only with 15BAJILLION MEGAPIXELS AND TERAFLOPS!" to me.

[Jay]

I can't see them making loads of pointless one's, these after all are only mock ups that fans have made...

[Splush]

I can't see them making loads of pointless one's, these after all are only mock ups that fans have made...
Not necessarily lots of pointless ones, I just think we could end up with decent peripherals made specifically for one game which never really get used by anything else and leave the buyer feeling a bit ripped off, like ROB for NES, the 'trance vibrator' for Rez, the fishing controller for dreamcast, the sword controller for Onimusha, or maybe that bloody Steel Battalions controller, although I'm sure mech nutters thought that was a 2nd mortgage well spent.

[Oooh Yeah]

lets consider nintendo's history with controllers..

we had the gameboy which had logical accesories, battery packs.. magnifying hoods with lights..
the NES had the light gun.. the gamecube had the donkey konga.. and probably some kind of dance mat too

they were all reasonably priced from what i remember, and considering a console companys complete history that's not too much (please don't worry if i miss one of two out like the wave bird or something)

those accesories were all cool and welcomed as far as i know, except that stupid hand thing which never took off (VR gloves or summin i read?)

anyway.. i don't think they'll go over the top sony style by having effectively what the PSone tried to do, with the lock on screen accesories and battery packs so you can play mobile

i found an interesting link of video game failures on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_failures_in_computer_and_video_ gaming

LOL at that steel batallion game, they have one in our local shop for about £200, i heard it's not even that good

[Splush]

Well R.O.B. did basically nothing and really just existed so that the console would qualify for sale in toy shops when electronics shops wouldn't take them. You won't find many people seriously praising the Virtual Boy or Powerglove, either. Also, I think the likelyhood of getting decent controllers which only work for one or two games (I keep picturing the DC's fishing controller) is higher than usual on a system which is actively encouraging developers to come up with unique gameplay ideas, and boasts a modular controller as a feature.

Nintendo are pretty strict about 3rd party hardware so they could keep it from getting silly, but I still think a lot of gimmick hardware (not to mention software) is likely.

[Oooh Yeah]

i think 3rd party is out of the question for this device.
too complex of a device.. nintendo no doubt have something very specific planned.
3rd party devices could give an advantage over another player or disadvantage in a multiplayer game, or conflicts between devices.

it's not like it's a few buttons where signals are objective, the accuracy of the laser and the speed is subjective for the computer to interpret.

[flapjackboy]

the accuracy of the laser

Um, what laser? It doesn't use a laser.

[Oooh Yeah]

whatever, you know what i mean you 'tard..

[Splush]

I'm sure if Capcom or somebody similar said they had an exciting game idea and wanted to make a custom controller to go with it, Nintendo would allow them. Hopefully not so much Madcatz shovelware, though.

[Jay]

Bring back the Samba de Amigo maracas :D

[bigmother]

to be honest, as someone who has slowly moved away from console gaming since my beloved snes kicked the bucket oh so many years ago (I've had a PS1 + 2 and played Xbox and Gamecube) this is actually quite exciting. I tend to jolt about all over the place while playing games anyway, so it would be quite nice to find a controller that responded when I shoved my it forward to go faster etc.

Really I think I already prefer Nintendo but I think this could be the innovation to bring me back to console gaming. Maybe.

[Oooh Yeah]

me and lew have become uber nintendo fan/boys since this has come out..
if you think about it.. the xbox doesn't offer a lot you can't enjoy playing on the PC, with the new consoles costing so much it makes sense for a lot of people to upgrade their PC for a better experience.
sony and nintendo i'm sure will succed with intense success in europe and japan.

[Lewiji]

me and lew have become uber nintendo fan/boys since this has come out..

Hehe true :D

You're right, I play so many PC games that it's pointless getting a machine that is just like a PC but solely for games...I need something different. The revolution is different (however I disagree about Sony doing well, since the PS3 is an almost identical machine to the x360), it's not just a button pusher, it's not just a PC in a box for casual gamers, this is actually something exciting and refreshing.

[BeverlyHillHobo]

I barely play consoles anymore, I wasn't even considering buying any of these new ones soley because of the above reasons but the Nintendo is starting to appeal to me. If I can be bothered and have the cash I might purchase one, it'd be a nice change rom my beloved PC.

[Stringy Pete]

Wow, I'm definitely not going to buy the Nintendo now, too unorthodox for me thanks. There's only so much 'touchscreen-handstand-fishing-while-taking-photos-of-Pokemon' style innovation that I can swallow. Just make games, not gimmicks.

[Chassisbot]

Wow, I'm definitely not going to buy the Nintendo now, too unorthodox for me thanks. There's only so much 'touchscreen-handstand-fishing-while-taking-photos-of-Pokemon' style innovation that I can swallow. Just make games, not gimmicks.

You are a cultural philistine. Please die. Go enjoy your PS2 with extra shiny juice. Bastard.

[Jay]

Chassisbot strikes again...

[Chassisbot]

I aim to please.

[Bisyss]

Wow, I'm definitely not going to buy the Nintendo now, too unorthodox for me thanks. There's only so much 'touchscreen-handstand-fishing-while-taking-photos-of-Pokemon' style innovation that I can swallow. Just make games, not gimmicks.
As much as Chassisbot bit his head off, Pete has a point. If developers spend too much time trying to think of new uses for the controller, they could end up with some really crap games.

[Jay]

Well, alot of it can be incorperated easily into games, and will help to make you feel like your a part of it.

[Oooh Yeah]

i can't wait to play SSX with it.
going to be so weird spinning around mid air with the controller for grabs.

[the last sheika]

AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! why is everyone saying that games that obviously aren't made by nintendo are? pac man is made by namco, SMB by sega, and tetris by... russia

[Bloopo]

Something that's just been pointed out on GameFAQs:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1966/revcont4bd.jpg

I think its an official pic from Nintendo too...

[Nocashvalue]

Probably because they had to photochop it in like that, on a plain white bg.

[JonathanEx]

Something that's just been pointed out on GameFAQs:

(imagything)

I think its an official pic from Nintendo too...
Yes, that's the official press picture. Nothing new though, I noticed it on the first day. If you want a closer look, http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?page_id=37 has a high resolution image pack including that image. It's verrry large. 2000 odd pixels.

[Splush]

In the video they showed at TGS the controller that emerged from the liquidy floor had X and Y buttons if I recall correctly.

[JonathanEx]

The 3d model in it had X and Y all the way through, which was more clear at the end.

[Jay]

Sorry to bump, but I just found this on IGN

http://cube.ign.com/articles/653/653867p1.html

Made me chuckle...

[Mezmerize]

That looks well snazzy ... can't wait for it to come out ^_^

[monkey magic]

Ah, the gun ideas have verified my double pistol thing, by having a control stick on the back of the pistol.

[splodge]

I do love ign.

[Redux]

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1609/11278813410259kz.gif

[RevJ42]

Uhhh??

Well, that's Revolution's Killer app, right there. "Forget Halo! Now you can make small children dance with a wave of your hand!"