gun in school

[randehwebcomics]

Ok, so I live in this quiet little city called manitowoc in Wisconsin. (usa) And there's 2 jr. highschools that teach 7th through 9th grade. My school is Wilson, the other is Washington. So yesterday, some 8th grade kid (the news wouldn't say who) went to Washington jr. high to fight a 9th grader, and he brought a .22 caliber pistol with him. Somehow, the police liason officer (the school policeman) managed to arrest the kid before he shot anyone. This is huge news for this small city of manty. Just thought I'd let u English kiddies know what's going on over in the states.

brock

[Soma]

i'm actually australian myself not english...

but yeh, i feel pretty bad for you, is it really as bad for guns as publicity seems to suggest?

I talked to an american last year and he was sayign how they're starting to put metal detectors up in schools :(

[randehwebcomics]

I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but if you're talking about America being worsened by guns or anything, it's not. I'm all for the right to bear arms and such. It's just unfortunate that some people are so retarded as to use a gun to harm someone. But America as a whole isn't the problem, it's just those few people that were dropped as babies.

[Erasmus]

It's just unfortunate that some people are so retarded as to use a gun to harm someone.

I'm sorry, but what other possible reason is there for carrying a gun?
It's what they're made for after all.
You can't say "I'm for guns, but I'm not for the use of guns" it makes little sense to me.

[argh]

It's probally a protection vs. agression distinction.

[randehwebcomics]

There's all sorts of reasons. Self defense, hunting, and excercising your god-given right to carry a weapon. I'll post more when I think of them.

[argh]

Just as a side note, how is it a god given right, when really, god didn't create guns, people did.

[da-geezer]

I'm sorry, but what other possible reason is there for carrying a gun?

Self defence. If they were used for all evil purposes, then no police force in the world would use them. It's the good old knife theory to a certain degree: knives can be the best culinary tool in the world, or the biggest nightmare of a weapon you can carry. Sure, knives are in the vauxhall conference compared to guns and such, but there are times when guns are useful.

I don't blame the thread author at all, but it seems that everyone's got an image in their heads that guns are soley used to kill. Hell there's hunting, marksmanship, all sorts of good uses for guns.

Bringing one into school is pretty fucked up, though.

[randehwebcomics]

It's a figure of speech over here in the U.S. Just like "bloody hell" over in Europe may have nothing to do with blood or hell, a god-given right may have nothing to do with god.

[Erasmus]

There's all sorts of reasons. Self defense, hunting, and excercising your god-given right to carry a weapon. I'll post more when I think of them.

In england we get around the hunting problem with shooting licenses for select people.
God given right? funny, I don't seem to remember mention of fire-arms in the Bible, in fact wasn't there a whole long spiel about "love thy neighbour", "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill"?
Self defence? If each citizen holds a gun you force the criminals to hold guns to maintain their livelihood. Also, if a criminal and a citizen both have guns, rather than one or neither, there is far greater chance of a fatality, surely?

[McFrenzy]

Having not held a gun I imagine it gives the holder a real feeling of power, with that could come an inflated self esteem which is why a lot of high school kids might like them.

If no-one is listening to them holding a gun in thier hand makes everyone stop and listen, its a great attention grabber.

In the UK we have an area called Moss side which used to be (not sure if it still is) notorious for gun crime amongst the youth.

[randehwebcomics]

Erasmus, all throughout the old testament God used war for his causes. But I agree with the last part of your post, except that if you took away guns, people would use knives, bricks, whips, lazers, etc.

[Erasmus]

Erasmus, all throughout the old testament God used war for his causes. But I agree with the last part of your post, except that if you took away guns, people would use knives, bricks, whips, lazers, etc.

and breeze-blocks.
don't forget breeze-blocks.
Seriously though, I'd rather face a man with anything on your list (bar lazers perhaps) than a man with a gun. Quite simply: you can't outrun a bullet.

[Mat^]

Following the words of Chris Rock I say keep the guns but make bullets fecking expencive.

So expencive by the time your second job has paid you enough, you've probably forgotten what you wanted the money for.

[randehwebcomics]

well said, erasmus.
but wtf is a breeze block?

[Erasmus]

well said, erasmus.
but wtf is a breeze block?

A large, concrete brick with holes in it

[randehwebcomics]

o. I thought it might be a cube of wind or something harsh like that

[Mat^]

...cube... of... wind?

[randehwebcomics]

Yes, it's common knowlege that a cube of wind is the deadliest weapon of all.

[Erasmus]

randeh, you're such a genius, you mis-spelled genius in your sig :D

[Redux]

guns r for makin u look kewl lol am i rite????

[cybex]

it seems that everyone's got an image in their heads that guns are soley used to kill. Hell there's hunting, .....



You do know that hunting is still killing, right?

[eleanor]

your god-given right to carry a weapon
is not an objective fact, and the Americans who claim this right are basing it on a misinterpretation of the Constitution.

edit:-
It's a figure of speech over here in the U.S. Just like "bloody hell" over in Europe may have nothing to do with blood or hell, a god-given right may have nothing to do with god.
That's pretty funny :D btw you mean the UK, not Europe :eng101: :)

[Preasure]

America has a strange thing with guns. I think I read somewhere that about 1 in 3 households with children have one. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I just remember reading something like that) Somebody brought a kitchen knife into my school, but it never came to anything serious and now people just laugh at the lad for trying to be 'rude'.

Guns are only dangerous when the person behind them either wants them to be or doesnt know how to use them properly. Most people with guns use them responsibly and make sure that they're kept safe. Its the percentage that dont that endanger us and give the responsible users a bad name.

[3v1l |\/|1NiOn]

I have the firm belief that a society built on 'ammendments' one of which is the right to carry a gun cannot function at all.

If it is acceptable to carry a gun around, the implications of using a gun to cause harm to others is greatly reduced due to the fact that guns are common-place.

Children who are not yet knowledgable to the intentional function of a gun will not necessarily know that bringing one into school is bad. If their parents can carry one in the street, why can't little Jimmy bring one into the school. He may not have the intention to use it, but how can we be certain?

There is no purpose of owning a gun. Lets be honest, a VERY small percentage of Americans will use a gun for non-lethal sports like markmanship. Lots may use guns for hunting (which I still disagree with, but meh), but lots of people use guns to kill people.

Where do we draw the line? Is it OK for me to carry a pistol with me? Is it OK for me to carry a 12-gauge with me? Is it OK for me to carry a rocket launcher with me? It's still for protection, right?

It's the same everywhere. The example I can think of is the over-abundance of large 4x4s in England. One mother buys a 4x4 because her children can be safe inside it. Then another mother buys one, then another, and eventually everyone drives 4x4s because they are safe.

If one person carries a stick to protect themselves, eventually everyone will be carrying a stick to protect themselves. Then people will start carry a stick with a rock on it, then a bat, then a knife, then a gun. It will have started centuries ago with people not trusting each other, and it has now escalated to America being such a gun-loving society.

But it will be impossible to stop, because no-one will want to give up their guns because they want to protect themselves against people who keep their guns.

[argh]

Arizona scares the hell out of me. They want guns in bars. They lost, but they still tried. To have GUNS in BARS.
Oh my hell (http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=1823187)

[McFrenzy]

Doesn't Canada have just as many guns per household as USA?

And they have very little to no gun problems?

I would love a gun but it would need to be a Simon Bisley styled gun which would make me look both Cool and Awesome at the same time :D

[randehwebcomics]

Some mod should move this over to the debates section cuz this thread is just falling apart! I meant for this to be a kind discussion about a loser with a gun, and now it's a debate over the right to bear arms? O well, that kinda happens in forums a lot. I think from now on, Evil Minion and I need to do some breathing excercises and yoga.


but not really.

[Smartie]

I think all schools should have metal detectors anyway. That'd solve a lot of bloody hassle in the first place. for staff, students AND visitors.

[randehwebcomics]

Having metal detectors would make more hassle, they would stop u for just about everything. It would take forever to get everyone in school, and people would have to take off watches, dig through their backpacks for whatever metal is in there, etc. And belts. Lots of belt buckles would be taken off. Especially from the hot chicks.

Actually, I just convinced myself to support metal detectors in school. Thanks Smartie!

[Simon]

Now this is the kind of thing that makes me so happy that we have strong anti-firearm legislation in England. When a schoolkid gets a .22 to pick a fight with some other kid you know theres something wrong with the laws.

[3v1l |\/|1NiOn]

Having metal detectors would make more hassle, they would stop u for just about everything. It would take forever to get everyone in school, and people would have to take off watches, dig through their backpacks for whatever metal is in there, etc. And belts. Lots of belt buckles would be taken off. Especially from the hot chicks.

Actually, I just convinced myself to support metal detectors in school. Thanks Smartie!

They should be so sensitive that they can detect bra clips too.


There, I cancelled out my long complicated post with a short retarded one.

[Bisyss]

Doesn't Canada have just as many guns per household as USA?
I believe that the highest gun-to-person ratio in the world is in Switzerland, I think*. I saw this subject on QI, and Jeremy Clarkson mentioned that he was once pulled over by a policeman, who didn't bat an eyelid at the fact that Clarkson had a machine gun in his lap.

As much as I will probably be flamed for this, gun crime in America is really more down to attitudes towards firearms, rather than firearms themselves.
If guns kill people, then I can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil.Anything is a weapon if you use it right.

*I'm fairly sure it was Switzerland, but I'm not certain. It was definitely a country near to it though.

[Simon]

It is switzerland, but thats because almost everyone has a gun as they can be conscripted to emergency militias. Thats why they have no army.

[3v1l |\/|1NiOn]

Anything is a weapon if you use it right.


But still, having a gun means its easier to kill someone. Therefore more guns = more deaths.

If it were as easy to kill someone with salt as it would be with a gun, then countries that mine salt would have a high salt-death ratio.

[randehwebcomics]

Now this is the kind of thing that makes me so happy that we have strong anti-firearm legislation in England. When a schoolkid gets a .22 to pick a fight with some other kid you know theres something wrong with the laws.

There's nothing wrong with the laws, Simon, just the kid and his parents for raising him that way.

[Ouch!]

thats very dodgy.... i don't get the whole .22 thing about guns, but all i know is they're bad.

[MONKEY050]

I wonder if any of you noticed the fact that it was an 8TH GRADER with the gun. Meaning he was 12-13 years old. O_o

It always makes me think, "WTF?" and "How the hell did they get their hands on it?" I just can't comprehend answers to both of those questions.


Edit:
@Ouch: Calibur is the measurement of bullet size. Paintballs which are .68 calibur are bigger than a bullet of .22 calibur, just for an example.

[randehwebcomics]

Not that it matters, but here, 8th grade is 13-14 years old. He probably got it from his messed up parents. I'll tell you guys all the specifics after they come out, probably on Monday.

[MONKEY050]

OK so I was off by 1. Not everyone in here is from the UK and other not-United States countries, you know.

I'm in NJ.

edit: That is, assuming you meant "Here" as in the US.

[dude in a box]

I don't understand why Americans have the right to bare arms, it dosen't make sense, why bother, they just cause violent outbreaks, and rather than using a gun as a self defense weapon, what happened to the good ol' baseball bat?

[MajesticM00se]

americans think british is a magical place where there's no crime or guns........ Gun crime in britian is gettin worse slowly especially around the north west manchester being the biggest issue

[dude in a box]

americans think british is a magical place where there's no crime or guns........ Gun crime in britian is gettin worse slowly especially around the north west manchester being the biggest issue
mentioning the word Manchester means i'm not surprised

[Simon]

There's nothing wrong with the laws, Simon, just the kid and his parents for raising him that way.

There are bad parents everywhere, but it doesnt happen everywhere does it. Someone will inevitably draw my attention to an example but I have never heard of any schoolkids carrying guns or school massacres or any of that shit in England.

[MONKEY050]

I don't understand why Americans have the right to bare arms, it dosen't make sense, why bother, they just cause violent outbreaks, and rather than using a gun as a self defense weapon, what happened to the good ol' baseball bat?

(A bit off topic but)

Baseball is America's pasttime! We wouldn't want to ruin its image now, would we? (Just like people who play pranks with paintball guns. It defaces not only people's windows but the name of the sport too. I hate that.)

[Dude]

A .22 couldn't do that much damage to a person. But in a school full of children, wtf

[randehwebcomics]

If you got hit in the right place, a .22 could easily kill you, dude. If you don't believe so, we can test it out on you first. (Or not, you know. Whatever) :)

[Eridanus]

I believe that the highest gun-to-person ratio in the world is in Switzerland, I think*. I saw this subject on QI, and Jeremy Clarkson mentioned that he was once pulled over by a policeman, who didn't bat an eyelid at the fact that Clarkson had a machine gun in his lap.


Yes, and he was pulled over for his car exhaust being too loud and the police didn't bat an eyelid at the machine gun in the seat next to him.

I don't understand why Americans have the right to bare arms, it dosen't make sense, why bother, they just cause violent outbreaks, and rather than using a gun as a self defense weapon, what happened to the good ol' baseball bat?

The law was changed to that so people in America could defend themselves, during a civil war.

[randehwebcomics]

I really wished this won't turn out to be a debate. Someone call a mod and have him move it!

[GorillaBearBear]

If you got hit in the right place, a .22 could easily kill you, dude. If you don't believe so, we can test it out on you first. (Or not, you know. Whatever) :)

I think some of the smaller magnums are point .22 calibur. I know I've shot with point .22 rifles as well. Besides, a small bullet tearing a hole in you is pretty much as lethal as a big bullet tearing a hole in you, when it comes down to it. It's still going with a fucking huge amount of force, I doubt that the size of the bullet is going to be anything people split hairs over.

[randehwebcomics]

It's not the bullet hole that kills you, it's all the stuff that it pushes out of it's way. That's why exit holes are always huge, and you hardly notice the entering hole.

[GorillaBearBear]

well yeah, but you catch my drift :P

[randehwebcomics]

Yes, when compared to other guns, a .22 caliber bullet seems harmless. If that's what you're saying.

[Wahoo]

just don't let jack sprat hear about this and we should be ok.

[playa killa 911]

i have a question wut started the fight any way plus that is pretty dtupid to bring a .22 i would a brought my AK-47!!!!!

witch is a 22.3 bullet just for info

[Boyinabox]

Wow.
Great bump there playa, how the hell did you even find this thread. The archives are huge. :\
I'd recomend spending some time in beginners.

[eleanor]

i have a question wut started the fight any way plus that is pretty dtupid to bring a .22 i would a brought my AK-47!!!!!

witch is a 22.3 bullet just for info
Haha. You're 15... as if you own anything besides paintball guns, let alone an AK-47.

[Timmeh]

hahaha, I laughed so much. So let me get this straight, I'll get to this in a minute but lets just say I believe you that you do indeed have an AK47, you are going to... what, conceal it about your person, maybe... down your trouser leg? In your school bag? Up your arse? in the event of someone starting a fight with you in school? Yeah, im sure you can hide a 3 foot odd rifle.

Number 2;

Date of Birth:
September 6, 1990

So, you've obtained an AK47 at 15 eh? And adding to the amusement

witch is a 22.3 bullet just for info

22 and point 3 of a bullet eh? You've just shown a complete lack of gun knowledge; .22 refers to the size of the bullet in mm, what you just said refers to the length of the barrel, utterly unrelated to the bullet... in inches. So you've just compared bullet size to barrel length in different units of measurement and still expect us to believe you? Amused quite frankly. Now, lets all slink away and let the thread die back to its former slumber.

[Pilk Man]

i have a question wut started the fight any way plus that is pretty dtupid to bring a .22 i would a brought my AK-47!!!!!

witch is a 22.3 bullet just for info
Wrong.

Ak-47's are chambered in 7.62mm x 39.



I'll go now.

[playa killa 911]

depends i have a chinese ak-47 not some russian one just for info and srry i
was thinking of somehting else in the barrel size.lol anyway i would just bring it in school and just start spraying rounds or i would hipe it in my guitar case or even bass case anyway i would still kill someone!!

hopefully the principal or the nerds oh well ill still egt to kill someone

[Jimmy]

hopflly if yuo wnta too stya in thees forums yuo wlii strt speekng yn englsh

[Boyinabox]

depends i have a chinese ak-47 not some russian one just for info and srry i
was thinking of somehting else in the barrel size.lol anyway i would just bring it in school and just start spraying rounds or i would hipe it in my guitar case or even bass case anyway i would still kill someone!!

So your saying that if you owned a "Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle" you would make best use of it by shooting your classmates. I take it your not really the most popular kid there.

And mate I think you'd need a bigger carrier to conceal you bag then a guitar case.

[Preasure]

depends i have a chinese ak-47 not some russian one just for info and srry i was thinking of somehting elsein the barrel size.lol anyway i would just bring it in school and just start spraying rounds or i would hipe it in my guitar case or even bass case anyway i would still kill someone!!
No, you would not. Because you do not have a AK-47, or any kind of firearm for that matter. I doubt you've even fired a air rifle. The laws of this country are designed to stop hardcore terrorists getting their hands on these weapons, I very much question that a 15 year old kid could get pst them.

This isn't paintball. People piss around with real guns, people die. It's certainly not something to joke about.

[Lagmeister]

people would use knives, bricks, whips, lazers, etc.

Im surprised no one picked up on the fact that you dont get 'lazers', some people.

Anyway, christ how do people find these threads? Is there some sort of thread necromancy program that I havent heard of?

[Acid]

First of all and slightly of topic, ive seen a video wher a teenager concealed 20-something guns including an AK-47 and a shotgun. I think that wa son bowling for Colunbine.

Which leads me to another point, joking about going into a school and killing people is not a good idea, especially as it has happened before with disgusting consequences.

[Youlikeyams?]

In otherwords pk911, STFU >: (

I have a feeling you wont be popular around here, either.

[playa killa 911]

well i wasn't intending to do it im just ''SAYING'' and plus the ak 47 was owned by my dad who bought it in california when he was 23 and he gave it to me

p.s. i would never do it i was just ''SAYING''

[Jimmeh]

well i wasn't intending to do it im just ''SAYING'' and plus the ak 47 was owned by my dad who bought it in california when he was 23 and he gave it to me

p.s. i would never do it i was just ''SAYING''

Your dad shouldn't be allowed near children if he gives you a loaded ak 47 at 15.

[SPACKlick]

Ok, Ok, OK. so we're talking guns in america, then i have to do it

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Second amendment says that in times of civil uprising, where civilians need a militia then thye are allowed to keep and bear arms. It also fails at grammar, get with the times.

even at a state level

Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state (1818). 2


Kentucky: [T]he right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned (1792). 3


Massachusetts: The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence (1780). 4


North Carolina: [T]he people have a right to bear arms, for the defence of the State; and, as standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power (1776). 5


Pennsylvania: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power (1776). 6


The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned (1790). 7


Rhode Island: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (1842). 8


Tennessee: [T]he freemen of this State have a right to keep and bear arms for their common defence (1796). 9


Vermont: [T]he people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power (1777). 10


Virginia: That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. 11



it's a hoo ha

[Ozzylator]

Im surprised no one picked up on the fact that you dont get 'lazers', some people.

Light Amplification by Ztimulated Emission of Radiation?

I think not.

[Pilk Man]

depends i have a chinese ak-47 not some russian one just for info and srry i
was thinking of somehting else in the barrel size.lol anyway i would just bring it in school and just start spraying rounds or i would hipe it in my guitar case or even bass case anyway i would still kill someone!!

hopefully the principal or the nerds oh well ill still egt to kill someone
Wrong again.

If it's a live firing AK-47 it was produced in Russia (AFAIK, the only legit AK47 producer is the Russian Izhevsk Mechanical Works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhmash)).

If it wasn't, it's almost certainly a fake. I'm almost certain that the "chinese AK" you're referring to is the Chinese Type 56 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as49-e.htm), an AK remake produced by slightly modifying the original design.

[SPACKlick]

Nobody needs a gun in school.
Nobody needs a gun while doing their shopping.
Guns do nothing other than kill and injure, saying you have it for "self defence" is just saying "i only intend to kill/injure someone i feel is a threat, not just random people"
Guns do nothing other than kill or injure saying you only have it for "hunting" is just saying "i only intend to kill somthing that isn't human"
Guns make you LESS safe, people who own guns are likely to have them used against them or aggravate sittuations into violent ones.
Guns are only nescessary while the criminals have them. Stop the import of ammunition and guns, have a gun amnesty and what are you left with? A lot of criminals will still be armed short-term but slowly guns break and they run out of ammo. Then you can monitor imports for illegal weapons.
If these weapons were illegal in America, Britain would have les gun crime (since most imported guns were made with the intention of being sold to Americans)

I know two people who i will extract as examples here.

Guy A carries shuriken in the sleeves of his favourite jacket and regularly carries an extended pen-knife in his pocket. He carries them because he doesn't feel safe. Guy A is very well trained with shuriken, most criminals are not. These make him safer. The knife in his pocket has never been drawn in defense, but many street criminals are well trained in de-kinifing and knifing their victims. the penkinfe would make him less safe.

Guy B carries a japanese sword (the one shorter than a katana) on his back under his coat 90% of the time. This sword is sharp as it can be. Guy B carries it because he has been violently attacked three times in the last two years, and has lost his wallet to would be attackers seven times. He is very profficient with the sword, however the sword makes him less safe, any fool can do damage with a sword and any fool can get a sword out of someones hand if they don't mind afew small cuts on their forearms or shins.

Moral of the story, the only weapon which improves your safety is one

a) in which you are well trained
b) cannot be taken off you
c) would be useless to the attacker if he did get it off you

Your fists fit this description perfectly, as do your feet and knees. wanna defned yourself? You are the perfect weapon.

[Pilk Man]

To be honest, if you need a gun to feel safe outside it's time you moved neighbourhoods.


PS: PK11, that + was meant to be a - but I forgot to change tick boxes. I O U.

[Shave]

Your fists fit this description perfectly, as do your feet and knees. wanna defned yourself? You are the perfect weapon.

don't agree with carrying guns or any other weapon. but i also disagree that you are the perfect weapon.

a) the attacker also has the same weapon and may be better trained in it that you
b) it inflicts minimal damage and is probably best used a quick stun so you can make an escape
c) you are extremely squishy and easy to cut/wound
d) and in worst case scenrios can be taken off you :(

now, it would be nice if everybody could get along and we wouldn't need weapons :)

[Timmeh]

well i wasn't intending to do it im just ''SAYING'' and plus the ak 47 was owned by my dad who bought it in california when he was 23 and he gave it to me

p.s. i would never do it i was just ''SAYING''

No, no he didn't :rolleyes:.

1) "Hi there son, I bought this AK47 back when I was 23, now I know you're only 15 but I want you to have this fully automatic rifle and play soldiers with it". Now why can I not quite imagine this sentance ever coming out of any father's mouth, even the worst father in the world?

2) Now, you claim to have a Chinese AK-47. With a barrel length of 22.3 inches? Now, a Dragunov variation of an AK-47 has a barrel length of 22.3 inches. The Dragunov is also Russian. The chinese AK-47 has a barrel length of 16.2 inches. Why are you still lying????

3) California you say? Lets take a look at the gun laws. Following is a list of states where you cannot legally buy a gun similar to the one you mentioned (I say similar because the one you're talking about point blank fails to exist):

California
Maryland
Hawaii
Massachusetts
New Jersey

You could have picked any of the other 45 states, but no, you sucessfully selected one of the 5 where buying such a weapon (if it existed) is illegal.

Do the fucking sensible thing here, admit you were being a lying little turd, say you're sorry, go back to beginners and in a little while, people will no doubt forgive you. Good day.

[Pilk Man]

If he is talking about a Dragunov, I'll just laugh even harder.

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/magyar.gif

http://www.airsoft-portal.cz/mod/sky/dragunov.jpg

Now THAT'S a difficult mistake to make.

[Mat^]

It's only Russians and Korean's that carry AK's with them now.What about Africa?

Mozambique have it in their coat of arms. ¬_¬

[Preasure]

The AK-47 is the most commonly used firearm in the world, mainly because of it's cheapness and the larghe amount of them that have built up from various conflicts. Many nations that lack the large military budget of the west and other large countries use them because of this. In any place where one needs to get one for the required defence or assault, the law is probably broken down enough to get one easily.

However I still have no idea why we're discussing the finer points of firearm legislation and avalability here. Playa killa 911, having a gun at 15 does not make you 'cool'. Pretending to have one, or trying to brag about it online or elsewhere, makes you even less so. Grow up.

[Boyinabox]

The AK-47 is the most commonly used firearm in the world, mainly because of it's cheapness and the larghe amount of them that have built up from various conflicts.

And the fact that the Russians gave them free to groups it supported.

Anyhoo, browsed wikipedia and thought this might be interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_%22Cousins%22_of_the_AK-47

[SPACKlick]

The Ak-47 is also used for it's reliability. you may not be able to hit the broadside of a veyr large barn door at half a pace but if you want a gun that you can play american football with, take deep sea diving, bury in the sand and run over in a tank befor you fire it , the AK is your weapon.

this post may contain hyperbole

[Tweekish]

if you want a gun that you can play american football with

For one second there I thought you were actually being serious! I know Americans take their football seriously. Not that seriously though.

Its like a Swiss Army knife. Cept I dont think you can pull a little stick for picking stones out of horses hoofs from an AK-47. Or a mini pair of scissors.

[SPACKlick]

You can use an AK as the ball in an americna football game and i bet you $10 it'll still fire afterwards.

[Ozzylator]

Yeah, you'd have a sore foot though.

[Roachy]

All I can say is guns are bad. They kill people and should be left inside videogames.

[Pilk Man]

Its like a Swiss Army knife. Cept I dont think you can pull a little stick for picking stones out of horses hoofs from an AK-47. Or a mini pair of scissors.
Well you could use the front iron sight for the horse hooves, and you can fit it with a bayonet if that's any help :p

All I can say is guns are bad. They kill people and should be left inside videogames.
IMO, guns are cool. Not particularly when you kill people with them but just generally for looks. Guns are awesome.

[Roxsie]

Got to disagree with you there, gun's don't look cool in fact i think they look rather stupid. The main reason men like guns is the same as why they like sports cars - their penis and their problems with it.

americans think british is a magical place where there's no crime or guns........ Gun crime in britian is gettin worse slowly especially around the north west manchester being the biggest issue

You've left out my home city of Nottingham - we're only gun capital of the UK :)

[Boyinabox]

Got to disagree with you there, gun's don't look cool in fact i think they look rather stupid. The main reason men like guns is the same as why they like sports cars - their penis and their problems with it.


Desert Eagles anyone?

[Roachy]

Sure, sure guns can look cool. But they aren't much use without the ability to spray bullets everywhere, which undoubtedly is a bad ability.

[Taysmith]

hopefully the principal or the nerds oh well ill still egt to kill someone

The 'nerds' eh? Why, then, have you posted this:

im a combat level 125 magic is 98 range 93 attak 99 deff 95 str 97
full dragon armour rune full
my weps are abbys whip obby cape obby shield drag long dds ddp d long d mace d axe d b axe d spear zamorak staff iban staff
i have 30 mill
how good am i?

by the way i forgot to add my 3 dwarf cannons and my tons of runes

I hope you're not considering committing suicide...

[Pilk Man]

Guns don't have to be used to kill people.

Target shooting with an AWM is just plain win.

[Roachy]

Point noted my good man. I hate killings. The random shootings of innocents are the worst. :(

[playa killa 911]

fine just cause you said it nicely timmeh i lied and im sorry anyway im board already is there any pizza here i dont see any i hungry...


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moo

[Boyinabox]

OMG you killed this thread!

And there isn't any pizza here anyway.

[Pilk Man]

fine just cause you said it nicely timmeh i lied and im sorry anyway im board already is there any pizza here i dont see any i hungry...
Made me smile :)

[SlapDoc]

What is breezeblock anyway


Its like, bricks for cheap people =]

[Acid]

How is it like "bricks for cheap people" please explain.

[SlapDoc]

Its like a big, airy brick.
And cheaper.

[SPACKlick]

Breeze blocks cost me more than bricks when i built my garage.

[Pilk Man]

Cost us more for the kitchen/washroom/back porch extension.

They're also larger (hence you require fewer of them) and allow for all manner of doody insulation techniques :p

[Ozzylator]

fine just cause you said it nicely timmeh i lied and im sorry anyway im board already is there any pizza here i dont see any i hungry...


MOOOOOOOOOMOOOOMMOOOOOOOMMMMOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMOOOOOOO Mooo
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moo

k. Now GTFO, please?

Or at least learn to type like someone who isn't six.

[GorillaBearBear]

Cost us more for the kitchen/washroom/back porch extension.

They're also larger (hence you require fewer of them) and allow for all manner of doody insulation techniques :p

I always get confused about breezeblocks. The name suggests they let the chill winter winds through, but my rudimentary knowledge of things physical always told me that trapped pockets of air, like the ones i thought breezeblocks created, were insulators. Is it just that the pockets of air are too big? or that t's not trapped because of what the breezeblocks are made of, or am I right in fact about them being a warm material?

[SlapDoc]

i think they're supposed to do both.
And they are cheaper, because each breeze block is the size of about four bricks, even though one is more expensive than one brick.

[Pilk Man]

I always get confused about breezeblocks. The name suggests they let the chill winter winds through, but my rudimentary knowledge of things physical always told me that trapped pockets of air, like the ones i thought breezeblocks created, were insulators. Is it just that the pockets of air are too big? or that t's not trapped because of what the breezeblocks are made of, or am I right in fact about them being a warm material?
I was referring to packing insulation carpet stuff between a double layer of them but yes they do trap air within them.


E/ A thread going off-topic for a discussion about wall insulation, now I really have seen it all.

[Dyakson]

Breezeblock = cinder-block, I think, depending on which side of the pond you learned English.

I think that the most effective way of reducing knife crime is to give out free handguns to everyone.

Seriously though, if you want to defend yourself (or your house), get a dog. According to Michael Moore, guns used in gun-crime in the USA are mostly stolen from people's houses.

Oh, in the USA a swimming pool is much more likely to kill your children than a hand-gun, apparently.

Guns should stay in videogames, armies,in the wing-root of the Eurofighter, kthxpls Mr Minister of Defence Cost-cutting, and on the ranges of the many responsible, safe rifle clubs across the UK kthxpls Mr Home Secretary.

[Boyinabox]

I thought the British olympic firing team have to train abroad due to gun laws? :\

[Dyakson]

Following the Dunblaine incident of 10 years ago, the Home Office(s) 'cracked down' on gun use in the UK, which is to say that they created very restrictive laws on gun use, such as the complete ban on conventional pistols. This caused much upset amongst those who shoot at paper targets at secure shooting galleries, who keep their guns in the proverbial locked cabinet securely fastened to the building it's stored in, who were always following the law to begin with, but unfortunately it didn't really affect those people using black-market guns in crime. But the good news is that the legal shooting community is uncelebrated enough to be safely marginalised and ignored by the government. The shooting community needs celebrities - that way the current type of politician might care about its needs...

[/rant from disgruntled ex-shooter]

[PWN33]

yeah America has a huge obsession with guns. There ar more guns than people. Civillians are more heavily armed than police. Im all for gun control. But I still think police should be aloud to have guns. but civillians carrying concealed weapons is rediculous, a switchblade is much better for close quaters combat (just kiddin):)

[Roachy]

Breezeblock = cinder-block, I think, depending on which side of the pond you learned English.

I think that the most effective way of reducing knife crime is to give out free handguns to everyone.

Seriously though, if you want to defend yourself (or your house), get a dog. According to Michael Moore, guns used in gun-crime in the USA are mostly stolen from people's houses.

Oh, in the USA a swimming pool is much more likely to kill your children than a hand-gun, apparently.

Guns should stay in videogames, armies,in the wing-root of the Eurofighter, kthxpls Mr Minister of Defence Cost-cutting, and on the ranges of the many responsible, safe rifle clubs across the UK kthxpls Mr Home Secretary.
Who needs breezeblocks?...
WHEN YOU CAN HAVE CHEESEBLOCKS!!!
sorry
aren't breezeblocks off topic of guns? lol

[SPACKlick]

yeah America has a huge obsession with guns. There ar more guns than people.

Switzerland as more guns than people and they have nearly no gun crime.

Also, the way to lower gun crime is to stop making it illegal.

[Pilk Man]

Honestly, making guns legal wldn't stop people using them for crime, it would just make it easier to get hold of them.

[SPACKlick]

I didn't just mean make guns illegal, i mean make all crimes guns can be used for legal. Ten there can be no gun crime.

[Dyakson]

Har har, very funny there Spacklick... :rolleyes: :D

See what you've done? You've made me use smilies.

[Roxsie]

Switzerland as more guns than people and they have nearly no gun crime.

However switzerland has stringent tests and trains them how to use them properly. In america you can have a gun once you reach a certain age (generalising).

[SPACKlick]

My point was that it's not nescessarily numbers of guns available that cause crime, it's attitude.

[Roxsie]

And part of that attitude is that guns are cool and you are cool if you have a gun.