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[Darling]

Man bailed in dog blast inquiry
A man has been bailed by police investigating a gang who blew up a pet dog by tying fireworks to its body.
The body of Emmie, a Yorkshire terrier, was found last Friday near the home of owners Keith and Maureen Barrington, of Linthwaite, near Huddersfield.

Emmie had bolted because of firework noise the previous evening. It is not yet known if the animal was run over before being blown up.

The 19-year-old was arrested on Tuesday morning but later released on bail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4395154.stm



Just why are fireworks still on sale to the general public??? Everytime round about this time of year is is like a bloody warzone around the streets with little twats setting off fireworks at each other and passers by. Not only that but there are always sad cases as the report above where animals are tortured and killed. Add this to the amount of firework related injuries that take place every year, to children and adults alike.

It simply isn't worth it.

Firework displays should be professional affairs only. If not for the reasons stated above then for the fact that the little DIY ones are shit anyway.


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[RobW]

Darling, you know what, I totally agree.

He was released on bail for killing an innocent fuzzy creature. What was the bail? Probably about 34p. I heard this earlier on, it happens every year. Some fucking retards decide it's fun to destroy a creature that has feelings and is fully aware of what's happing to itself.

Yes, they should be professional firework displays only. I think too that it isnt worth it especially with them being set off in daylight and sometimes at people.

[Simon]

Tie the fucker up and kill him with a firework! What kind of sick bastard does something like that?

[Chavvy]

It sickens me that people can do this to animals.

The cunts. :mad:

[*Ooh Sparklies*]

That is horrid!

Poor thing! Why must people abuse such things. I just dont understand how someone can be so heartless to another living creature.

[poliobear]

i can't even express how mad that makes me.....

[Darling]

But that is just one example. Where do you all stand on my wish that the sale of fireworks to the public was made illegal. There simply isn't any good reason for them to be sold. They are dangerous and of a poor poor quality. If people want to enjoy bonfires and fireworks displays then surely proffesional efforts are the way ahead. Not some half arsed effort a few people try and knock up in their back garden.

[*Ooh Sparklies*]

Thats true, but I dont think people would go for it. I mean firework companies would lose alot of money....

[Chavvy]

Maybe you should make a debate of it then fella.

Totally agree though for the reasons you have cited and for the fact that it costs far too much money to do your own. I have held firework parties for the last 3-4 years and it has cost the best part of £300-£400 each time for 30 minutes of banging away (fnarr).

[Quack]

In an ideal world, banning fireworks to the general public would be a brilliant idea.

Although in this shithole called earth, it would probably just have similar effects as prohibition and make matters much worse.

Illegal, more powerful fireworks would become a massive market for shady twats and would be much more available to kids.

So unfortunately the banning of fireworks is probably about as likely as a ban on smoking. (Although both would be lovely :p)

[Al]

If you ban the sale of fireworks to the public, how are we meant to make bazookas out of drainpipes? :(

[Cjw]

I think if people want to do their own, a license, like with proffesional shows should have to be obtained. For that, they would have to prove that they were genuinly going to use them for display purposes only. And show that they know what they are doing in regards to safety.

There really needs to be a total rethink on how fireworks are sold. It's way too easy for twats to get hold of them.

What would worry me slightly, if if fireworks sales were banned, could it possibily lead to the sale of dodgy illiegal fireworks that are far more dangerous than display fireworks to teenagers in grimey back alleys.?

edit:what quack said.

[Simon]

If you ban the sale of fireworks to the public, how are we meant to make bazookas out of drainpipes? :(

He said fireworks, not missiles :D just get real friendly with an army guy

[Mellomeh]

Tie the fucker up and kill him with a firework! What kind of sick bastard does something like that?
Yes what he did was cruel, but not that cruel. At least it wasn't another human being this was done to.

[Quack]

I agree that he shouldn't be fireworked to death but still, why is harming a dog any less important than harming a human? Dogs have feelings too. :(

[Darling]

Hey, I am completely against the whole "nanny state" that Blair and his dangleberries have been trying to force upon us in the UK. Somehow though making the sale of what are technically explosives, illegal to the public general public so that they end up in the hands of all the wrong people is hardly what I would call going over board.

I agree with the idea of natrual selection, and I lose no sleep for those people who hurt themselves doing stupidly dangerous things. These kids that steal cars and then smash them into tress for example. One less waste of my rax money IMO. But the problem with fireworks is that it is more often than not the innocent that are hurt through other people's stupidity. Children and animals seem to be easy targets for the scum who would take advantage.

[Simon]

Yes what he did was cruel, but not that cruel. At least it wasn't another human being this was done to.

So? the dog was innocent, he isnt...

[Stringy Pete]

I think we should ban knives, because people stab eachother, and you should have to be a chef to use them, after all, there are lots of nutitious meals that don't require knives.
I think we should ban cars, because drink drivers and others run people over and cause accidents, after all, we have a perfectly good public transport system.
I think we should ban........You can see where I'm going with this.

Banning fireworks isn't the answer to this, as many people have perfectly safe and legitimate private showings that harm nobody and are a pleasure to watch (as long as you get decent fireworks and not a superdelux box set surprise). Banning fireworks unless you obtain a permit is daft, as people would still be able to get hold of them illegally (many people buy fireworks from dodgy sources anyway, getting display fireworks etc) and it wouldn't solve the problem. If fireworks were banned, this person who has been bailed would have got his illegal kicks some other way, be it beating, stabbing, running over, or doing any number of illegal things to the animal.

[luttman23]

I have a little yorkie, she's called Daisy. Despite my obvious manliness, I have to admit she's the cutest lovliest little doggy ever, I love that little dog. She fills my every day with joy. She's damned clever too.

here's a picture.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8663/daisy8gm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now if some sick fuck was to do anything like this to my Daisy I would be very happy if they got let out on bail. I'd be happy because I'd find the twat, knock him out, stick him in a waiting van and take him to the local park. I would then take out the biggest damn firework I saw in the local shop earlier, and strap it his dick with a leather belt. I'd wait for him to regain consiousness and then tell him about Daisy. Show him pictures of Daisy. I'd tell him little stories about her, before setting the fuse, watching quietly as he tries to scream and untie his hands. Watching quietly as I make sure the bastard doesn't have any offspring. Then I'd drive away.

I love my yorkie, Daisy.

[McFrenzy]

I would strap a firework to his nutz and press record!

Anybody who dislikes thier money enough to waste on cheap shop fireworks can send it to me, I will take cash or cheque or dvds your choice, but seriously fizz bang bollox is what you get at the shop £30 for useless crap.

The big events are usually much better plus you don't need to wash up afterwards :D

[da-geezer]

I think we should ban knives, because people stab eachother, and you should have to be a chef to use them, after all, there are lots of nutitious meals that don't require knives.
I think we should ban cars, because drink drivers and others run people over and cause accidents, after all, we have a perfectly good public transport system.
I think we should ban........You can see where I'm going with this.

I can see where you're going with that yes, but I think the analogies you're using are somewhat flawed. Knives are of massive importance, sharp implements have been the key to our evolution. Cars have revolutionised industries. Both are examples of objects whose positive potentials massively outweigh the negative. I feel the catchpoint here is that the arguments between positive and negative properties are not nearly as biased for fireworks.

In short, the analogy doesn't work because the objects you quote are essential to everyday life, fireworks aren't.

I do feel that whereas a ban is too harsh, stricter licensing laws would be a good start. Creating a much smaller pool of vetted authorised dealers would go a long way to solving the problem; for example not granting a license in an area where a policing issue has been identified, or where there's a higher proportion of issues per year, or having customers provide proof of usage such as a permit from the local council before purchasing such fireworks.

I have a little yorkie, she's called Daisy.
attack attack tora tora tora mein leben exxterrrrminaaate attack attack
Then I'd drive away.

I can appreciate your concerns there, but surely vigilante action isn't the best way forward? Along with tighter controls on fireworks, I do feel a law should be changed to accomodate any fireworks related issues, maybe also the law on cruelty to animals. However, it is important to stress that the man in question isn't out of the woods yet, he's simply on bail. Pending further investigation, the man could still be charged.

[lachie 7]

fireworks are already banned in most states in australia

[LeoZ]

Yes what he did was cruel, but not that cruel. At least it wasn't another human being this was done to.

I don't like the way you think.

But yeah, this strory makes me well up with rage. How can you torture a dog to death and still be allowed to walk free? The guy who did this is a sick bastard who needs a punch in the face.

[Angel@heart]

The whole concept is sick and wrong. I saw 3 kids (young teenagers) walk into a fireworks shop and come out with a set of fireworks. It was really late at night and obviously the owner thought he could get away with it. Fireworks are bloody dangeous (and annoying when set off at like 3 in the morning) Fireworks should be only used in professional displays, but then again we have a greedy community and government who wont make that rule because of the high income it produces! :rolleyes: *growls*

[Stringy Pete]

In short, the analogy doesn't work because the objects you quote are essential to everyday life, fireworks aren't.
I know my examples were a little extreme, however I was giving examples of a nanny state gone mad. Fireworks have been used to celebrate history for hundreds of years, banning them would solve nothing. Just like knives and cars they have a legitmate use, and can also be used to illegal ends, in that way they are similar. Punishing law abiding citizens for the acts of the illegal few is not the solution to the problem.

[Paradigm^]

I'm with Pete. It was exactly the comment I was going to make (but didn't because I was lazy). Just because something is potentially dangerous and can be used for harm, doesn't mean it should be banned.

The argument that fireworks aren't essential to daily life is also flawed; I'm sure examples of "unnecessary" things can be found to have caused harm. I'd have used the "bludgeoned to death with an iPod" one, had it not turned out to be a hoax :rolleyes:

[Dibbie]

But the point is that teenagers don't run around throwing knives at each other (well not as often as they do fireworks)

One thing that people are missing here is not that I give a monkeys about teenagers maiming themselves but pensioners get scared, pets get scared and people get injured. I am pretty positive that if guns were as easily accessible you guys would be calling for a ban - they serve no purpose.

Organised displays are more sensible because:

1) They are safer
2) Everyone knows when it is happening and can make arrangements for pensioners/pets/babies to be elsewhere
3) The firewaorks are bigger, better and prettier

After the July bombings I would have thought that over-the-counter explosives were probably not in the publics best interests

[NarkAgent]

I don't think that fireworks should be banned or limited to public displays. I do think that there should be tighter controls on who can buy them. You're supposed to be over 18 years old anyway aren't you? Maybe they should raise that to 21.

Angel@Heart - Why didn't you go in to the shop and give the bloke a bollocking. He shouldn't be selling fireworks to kids. Arsehole.

As for the dog. I don't care whether someone harms a human being, or an animal. It makes no difference. It's still wrong, and he should be harshly punished. He murdered an animal. Someone's pet no less, and I'm sure they want justice for their poor dog.

[Angel@heart]

Angel@Heart - Why didn't you go in to the shop and give the bloke a bollocking. He shouldn't be selling fireworks to kids. Arsehole.

I considered that but i was kind of scared. I backed out. Now i feel like i've let down the community (sounds funny but i couldn't put it another way)

[Darling]

Rather than that, phone the local police station and inform them. Get this guy closed down!

[maw3193]

I say responsible adults should be awarded a piece of paper saying that they can purchase fireworks and use them responsibly, make them do a course on firework safety before giving it to them. And make sure that shops only sell to people with the piece of paper.
Age is easier to fake than proficiency with fireworks.

[Arkwright]

I'm with Pete and Sarchasm in saying we can't just crack down on something because there are incidents of products being misused.

In theory the world would be made a wholely better place if alcohol was prohibited, as happened in 1930's America. It would be the sacrifice of an unnecessary intoxicant and would improve life all round. There'd be no cases of drunk-driving, no bar fights, less football hooliganism, less attacks and rapes of people who've drunk themselves unconcious and we'd all be more healthy, no more need for alcohol-related liver and kidney transplants.

It would be paradise! No, of course it wouldn't, there would be up-roar and people would drink more than they did whilst alcohol was legal (as in 1930's USA) and all this alcohol would be unregulated boot-leg with no gaurantee of it's safety (as in 1930 yada, yada, yada).

Alcohol isn't necessary, but it keeps the public happy and sedated.
Bonfire night isn't necessary, but it instills a patriotism in people and confidence that in general our country is going a-ok. If the government started restricting how we celebrate the holiday the whole point of the holiday, to unite the public, would be ruined with yet more grumbles about the nanny-state and the fact that our freedoms once again were getting fewer.

So whilst the country would be a better place if there were no more fireworks and we all sat in as a family watching the telly on Bonfire Night, it's not gonna happen.

We have to hope that the majority of people will govern themselves before the police have to step in and do it for them, because there are always going to be those who ruin it for everyone else.

[/psuedo-sociology 101]

[Darling]

I don't agree.

The abuse of fireworks takes place because they are freely available at this time of year. If it was such a thing that prohibition would only increase demand then why are there not such incidents happening more regularly throughout the year when they aren't available?

The difference with alcohol is that that is part of people's lives, and to take it away will increase demand naturally. Fireworks aren't. They are just a gimmick and a novelty for a few weeks when available. Take away the availability and I doubt you would see the demand for illegal fireworks increase dramatically.

[Arkwright]

I don't agree.

The abuse of fireworks takes place because they are freely available at this time of year. If it was such a thing that prohibition would only increase demand then why are there not such incidents happening more regularly throughout the year when they aren't available?

Fireworks are on sale throughout the year, and yes these incidents do increase during november, but that is because no one thinks about fireworks throughout the rest of the year an suddenly their on everyone's minds as Bonfire night approaches.

But the only way to completely stop this happening would be to cancel the holiday permanently and as I've said, this would not reflect favourably upon the gofernment.

[Angel@heart]

But the only way to completely stop this happening would be to cancel the holiday permanently and as I've said, this would not reflect favourably upon the gofernment.
That's not necessairily (sp?) true. They were thinking of making a law to say firwoeks could only be used on Fireworks night and on new years/x-mas eve or night. They totally abandoned that idea though. sounded quite good.

[Darling]

No, you don't need to ban the *celebrations* completely. That's pointless. Just simply have to make them more organised* and focused rather than the average back garden nonsense that is always such a huge let down.


Organised displays are more sensible because:

1) They are safer
2) Everyone knows when it is happening and can make arrangements for pensioners/pets/babies to be elsewhere
3) The firewaorks are bigger, better and prettier




Exactly.


*Not just for Guy Fawkes night, but also Diwali and other celebrations.

[Angel@heart]

That's not necessairily (sp?) true. They were thinking of making a law to say firwoeks could only be used on Fireworks night and on new years/x-mas eve or night. They totally abandoned that idea though. sounded quite good.
although of course i like the idea of fireworks on big birthdays kinda thing :p *ooh sparklies*

[Mellomeh]

I don't like the way you think.
What I meant by "it's not that cruel" was that it is not cruel enough to sanction the revenge murder of the dog's killer. Some people need better priorities, now I don't want to drag this thread into another debate on the death penalty, but the death penalty, or any form of physical punishment, for killing a dog with fireworks sounds like some fucktarded BNP policy.

[bellybutton]

That's really sick :(
Last year some freaks put a black cat (firework) up some cats arse and blew the hind legs off it, these people gots problems..

[Ouch!]

that happens a lot over here...

[Angel@heart]

where's here?

[OKO]

Any money the stupid fucker was an alcoholic chav wearing Burberry trying to impress his smoker buddies.
Stupid cunts, if anyone did that to my dog; I'd strap a firecracker to their bullocks.

[Angel@heart]

Any money the stupid fucker was an alcoholic chav wearing Burberry trying to impress his smoker buddies.
Stupid axe-wounds, if anyone did that to my dog; I'd strap a firecracker to their bullocks.
That's a bit stereotypical, no matter how horrible the thing was... could have been anyone

[Darling]

I just recieved this in a rep comment.... i also hate fireworks.

I feel I might have given the wrong impression. I think firework displays are amazing things, and done properly they can truely be an amazing thing to witness. I've been lucky enough see some amazing displays, with one sticking in my mind from a few years ago when I was in the US during the 4th of July celebrations.

Somehow though, the little put together efforts made by these people in their back gardens simply don't compare. I know which I would rather spend my time experiencing.

[Angel@heart]

I just recieved this in a rep comment.... i also hate fireworks.

I feel I might have given the wrong impression. I think firework displays are amazing things, and done properly they can truely be an amazing thing to witness. I've been lucky enough see some amazing displays, with one sticking in my mind from a few years ago when I was in the US during the 4th of July celebrations.

Somehow though, the little put together efforts made by these people in their back gardens simply don't compare. I know which I would rather spend my time experiencing.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY!
It's better when everybody meets up to go and watch a professional display! Banning fireworks being sold publicly or so freely might encourage people to have more professional displays - meaning YAYNESS! \o/

[dude in a box]

Things like this make you want to barf, do people these days have no consideration for animals?

how would they like it if the dog strapped a firework to them?

[Arkwright]

I just recieved this in a rep comment.... i also hate fireworks.

I feel I might have given the wrong impression. I think firework displays are amazing things, and done properly they can truely be an amazing thing to witness. I've been lucky enough see some amazing displays, with one sticking in my mind from a few years ago when I was in the US during the 4th of July celebrations.

Somehow though, the little put together efforts made by these people in their back gardens simply don't compare. I know which I would rather spend my time experiencing.

Prohibition doesn't work.

If the government bans back-garden fireworks, psychos and fire-starters aren't going to stop because they can't pop down to spar, they'll just go to a mate who smuggled some bangers and bottle-rockets home after a day-trip to France in the Channel tunnel.

The illegality of animal abuse hasn't stopped them, why would the illegality of owning fireworks stop them?

And argueing that YOU don't like back-garden displays doesn't mean other people don't.

I don't like Budweiser therefore no bar is allowed to serve Budweiser anymore because it is shit. That is a Fallacy (Not a phallus, that's something else entirely).

[duggyfresh]

Fireworks are not the issue here. Regardless of them being on sale or not, these kind of sick fuckers would just get their kicks from hurting animals in other ways.

It's very sad.

[Paradigm^]

I object to the sentiment that I should be prevented from having a couple of Roman Candles in my back garden just because someone else decides to blow up a dog with them. And whether you think professional displays are better or not is entirely subjective; if I want to dance naked around a tree with a Catherine Wheel in it I don't see why I should be denied that pleasure.

[Stringy Pete]

Fireworks are not the issue here. Regardless of them being on sale or not, these kind of sick fuckers would just get their kicks from hurting animals in other ways.

It's very sad.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I have been to some great back garden fireworks display efforts, and I go to one house in particular every year, almost like a family reunion type thing, to celebrate someone's birthday (4th Nov). Are you telling me because someone abused an animal with fireworks it means they should be banned, and we shouldn't be allowed our perfectly safe fun in the back garden?
It's not the fireworks causing the accidents, think about it. If the accidents were due to unsafe fireworks exploding in the unexpecting publics faces, then yeah, I can see your point, but it's because some idiots use them to illegal ends. If there were no fireworks these same idiots would take inspiration from something like jackass or whatever, and roll the dog down a car park ramp in a shopping trolley. Where does the banning that spits on the law abiding citizen stop?

[Quack]

Maybe fireworks shouldn't be sold in every corner shop and only sold in designated shops with licences? That'd illiminate the availablity to kids, as only a few shops in their area would sell them and it would stop the shady shopkeepers from knowingly selling them to kids.

They should raise the age to 21 too, it's not as if anyone under that age actually uses fireworks for their intended reasons anyway. :rolleyes:

[whiskers]

its bad blowing up dogs and all, but public displays are shit. you have to stand in the cold and crane your neck and its no good at all. and then there would be firework smugglers. its fun to do them at home.
if people are going to blow up dogs, make it more serious and dont give them bail.

and what do you mean, intended purposes? im under 21 and i dont want to blow up dogs :yarr: im a pirate

[da-geezer]

and what do you mean, intended purposes? im under 21 and i dont want to blow up dogs

That's not the point he (or she) was getting at. Some people - over twentyone - would still go out and do something as retarded as this. However, I'd guesstimate that the percentage of 18-21 year olds who haven't quite learned the ways of the world is a lot higher than anyone over 21.

Think about it :)

[Darling]

In the UK 18 is the age limit, but I'll be honest and say there aren't many 18 year olds out there I wold trust to safely make a cup of tea never mind use fireworks. :rolleyes:


And I've already given my reasons why I don't believe the banning of the public sald of fireworks would work in the same way as any attempted prohibition of alcohol.