Censorship in games?

[Mexican Pie]

I like my games hard, violent, fun, with depth, and above all, great graphics and story.

However, there are such games with too much violence and sexual references. Take GTA: Vice City as one example. The Australian Government censored out some things, like not being able to pick up prostitutes, and censoring out the nudity.

Now that's what I just don't get. We can have a massive, racist massacre, filled to the top with blood and gooey eyeballs, but the first sign of sexual references, we need black bars and bra's. Now, what is up with that? Don't people know that we have the censorship categories on the box? Doesn't the Government think we can't be trusted? Hell, we don't even have R 18+ for our games, but our movies and DVD's can be rated R 18+!

Now, what are you views on this issue, with your host, Maurise Chauvess!!! (Get it? He's from GTA: VC...)

[Cookies]

I think that we should have censorship catergories on games that are guidelines for us but we should choose whether we or our children should be allowed to view or play the games/films.

We can't be protected from wars or terroist attacks and who says that people under 18 can't handle violence we are living in a world filled to the rbim with violence. And you walk down the street and see women wearing hardly anything most kids have posters of naked women plastered around their room, so whats the deal with censorship. Once all the violence sex and bad things are gone in the world they can censor games but until that day they should leave us alone!

[rabid anarchist]

exactly.
Censorship isnt necessary. You cant censor life, deal with it.
The Aussie Govt should just create the 18+ restriction and leave the game as it is. Its not as if there arent whores in Australia.
Age restrictions are all that should be necessary, if that.

[macky]

DID Y'ALL SEE THAT POKEMON STADIUM GAME ON N64 WHERE THE POKEMON COULDH'T TOUCH EACHOTHER, SO IF U TOLD YA PIKACHU TO PUNCH JIGGLYPUFF, A LOAD OF SPARKLY STUFF WOULD GO AROUNG JIGGLY AND IT WOULD FALL OVER- SO THERES NO CONTACT.
THAT SUKKED
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[rabid anarchist]

and that was censorship?

was there a version where they actually hit each other?

[Cookies]

Omg they are censoring pokemon now? that is just pathetic!

the thing that really annoys me is how musicians are treated for their music i mean we aren't that stupid just because eminem did a song of him killing his wife doesn't mean we would do it. Personally i love eminem he is an amazing rapper but just bcos i like him doesn't mean i will act like him, people should be able to draw the line :mad:

[Mexican Pie]

Dude, I didn't notice that:eek:. Seriously, that is pretty stupid. I played it like 4 years ago (or something like that). The game sucked badly anyway:mad:.

And yes, there are Whores in Australia, so why don't we have an R 18+ classification for our games? Stupid Government, really. Nex thing you know, Beef Jerky is Illegal!

[Pseudo]

At the risk of bandwagon-hopping, censorship is very, very bad.

Certification, on the other hand, is cool.

Restricting access to certain materials/images to specific age groups makes perfect sense - young 'uns aren't really emotionally ready to watch scat films (to be honest, I'm not emotionally ready to watch scate films, but that's beside my point)

Censoring things makes baby Jesus cry - if you need to cut something out to allow youngsters to watch, then maybe that film/game isn't for them.

As for censoring adult material - that's just silly.
Deciding what adults can and can't watch or listen to is more than a little ridiculous.

Yes, that does mean that certain things that most of us find sick and/or wrong (we're back to scat films again, methinks) will be available in the public domain.

Guess what ? - you're an adult; you decide what's suitable for you to watch.

The price we have to pay for being entitled to free speech is this : some people will talk shite.

Same applies to freedom of choice - I don't like being babysat by the government.

[Cookies]

The goverment is basically controlling what we watch and don't watch at a level, some films have been banned The exorcist for example, i mean who are they to put us under a stereotype. I agree though, censorship is stupid, if only people who are 18+ can watch the film whats the point of censoring it they are old enough to handle most things, your an adult!

[rabid anarchist]

Where do you live?

I dint think any films are banned anymore in England.

Tho, i could be wrong?

I know films used to be banned, but things like a Clockwork Orange have been un-banned etc.

[Mexican Pie]

I live in Australia- land of the free... if it's censored, that is.......

[FLYBUYF1]

im in Aus too. game censorship here sux. everything else is fine though. other mediums are fine. games simply need an update though. R18+ is needed and the rest needs to be re thought. games arnt like the movies. games get better and better and more realistic. so we basically have a form of censorship for games from years back. just try to compare Quake 1 with soldier of fortune 2. shooting things that are old and arnt realistic in graphics and in common sense is just odd when compared to shooting people and making their limbs fall off and blood splatter all over the place while watching them scream in agaony until i slash their face with my big knife. then i continue to mutilate the corpse with a 12 gauge shotgun. i mean seriously! games are a lot different now with much more variety in what you can do. more games with different stuff means that better censorship is needed. :)

[Dr-Electro]

Originally posted by macky
DID Y'ALL SEE THAT POKEMON STADIUM GAME ON N64 WHERE THE POKEMON COULDH'T TOUCH EACHOTHER, SO IF U TOLD YA PIKACHU TO PUNCH JIGGLYPUFF, A LOAD OF SPARKLY STUFF WOULD GO AROUNG JIGGLY AND IT WOULD FALL OVER- SO THERES NO CONTACT.
THAT SUKKED
:nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:

Turn off your caps lock. This is debate, not a shouting match. Debates should be a bit more dignified than that. Ease up on the nanas, too, please.

Take your nanas to Where's the BEER? in general.

I am generally against cencorship. I don't play gory games, though. I like Monster Truck Madness.

[rabid anarchist]

heh

sorry, couldt help laughing at the description of Pokemon as a gory game.
Altho thats probably not what you were reffering to, it can be willfully miscontsrued to mean that (which is what im doing now)

[Evilone]

Originally posted by macky
DID Y'ALL SEE THAT POKEMON STADIUM GAME ON N64 WHERE THE POKEMON COULDH'T TOUCH EACHOTHER, SO IF U TOLD YA PIKACHU TO PUNCH JIGGLYPUFF, A LOAD OF SPARKLY STUFF WOULD GO AROUNG JIGGLY AND IT WOULD FALL OVER- SO THERES NO CONTACT.
THAT SUKKED
:nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:

you're a fucking idiot. that is all.

[TEX_Cougar]

if i cast my mind back to GTA3, i think that on the italian language setting, you cant kick someone to death when they are on the floor. i found this out like, a year ago so i could be wrong, but i think im right:D

[The Digital Pie]

It ok for us in australia, just import the games from england. They don't have the same censor laws like we do and since they use the PAL format we will be able to use them, unlike the ones you import from the US.

[The Angry Elvis]

There are two things we ahve to look at here: One is the fact that there will be parents who let their children play whatever they want, so will be exposed to games like GTA3 and others. This could plant ideas into their mind about killing and criminality, lkeading to a socially maladjusted person in later life, leading to events maybe akin the Jamie Bulger case.
However, for those who are older, censorship in games is shit. I thought GTA3 was one of the best games i have played, and would definaetly be worse off with a loada restristions put on it.
JUST DONT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY VIOLENT GAMES, PEOPLE

[KualaLumpur1997]

Personally I don't think there should be censorship on anything - and I definitely hate age restrictions. (except for driving a motor vehicle, it would be just insane and dangerous to let an 8 year old drive a car, you need to draw the line on that example).

If you take drinking alcohol, the legal age for doing that in the UK is 18. There are surely going to be 17 year olds who can handle their drink more sensibly than some 19 year olds. Me, for example. I am 16 and have outdrunk people in there 40's (excuse the boast - I'm just trying to make my point). I think they should do tests on how advanced your liver is, and make a judgement on that about whether or not you can drink. That might well be a huge drain on NHS funds, but it's justice!

anway back to the topic...?

[The Angry Elvis]

So then when you are a parent you will be happy to let your kids watch atrociously violent films at the age of 3?
Once again I refer to the Jamie Bulger case. The two kids who killed Jamie Bulger did so becuase of what they saw in a film, and they did it at the age of 11 ish (maybe less but its near enough). This says to me that to produce well-balanced and socially accpetable kids we need age restrictions just to protect our children from becoming axe-weilding maniacs like those in films. I like violent films and don't think I'm affected by them but I'm not 8 years old.
Also, in terms of drinking alcohol, I don't think many of us have a problem drinking it outside of pubs, due to the age restreicition. I am less than 18, and have alkso been able to get hold of some kind of alcohol. The only thing that I feel I am missing out on is the pubs. So we shoulkd take Germnay's view on alcohol: Allowed in pubs at 16 to buy beer, and allowed to be in a pub drinking with parents at any age.

[rabid anarchist]

Well, using that example, the age restrictions obviously had no effect.

Thus, they are useless.

So why have them?

[KualaLumpur1997]

I'm also fond of the German's ways of thinking. Did you know that in Germany, you can buy any alcohol when you're 18, but if your 16-17, you can only buy alcohol that's less than 40 proof? Talk about the precision of Germans! I don't think they should differenciate between the age at which you're allowed in a pub and the age at which you can drink - the idea of going into a pub is to consume booze, frankly, and most 15-17 year olds have drunk alcohol in pubs on a Saturday night, myself included. To all intents and purposes it's an unenforcable law, they should just drop it. As is known to many, it's legal in the UK to drink a limited amount of alcohol in a restaurant aged 16-17 - again, why make different laws for pubs and restaurants, you're still drinking the same stuff, just in a differently named establishment!

[Mexican Pie]

Parents just blame videogames when their kids bring sawed off shotguns to school and cleanse the Earth, while these parents are usually pretty bad and stuff up their kids mind, hence they don't wish to take the blame, and put it all on someone elses shoulders. Pitiful ball less pricks- shouldn't have kids in the first place if they are incompetent at taking care of them.

Luckily, when I went to buy Fat Pizza The Movie- an excellent source of entertainment, one scene includes Pauly rifing in his Pizza delivery Car, he sees a "hot chick" riding on a motorcycle in front of him. He calls up his friend, Habib, who he is describing her to him.

Pauly: "Oh man, shes got a nice thighs, nice butt, it's like, Puss in Boots Mate!"
Habib: "Stop it, your making me Horny!"
Pauly: "Oh damn, I gotta get this chicks number!"

Pauly speeds up beside her, but the camera views to the riders face- it's a male with skinny shirt, mostache and a long mullet. Pauly screams in horror :).

Anyways, the lady at the stand asked for my age. I was 15- almost 16, but she didn't believe me and asked for my Mum. Just goes to show that people follow the laws.

[crzycookie]

yup there shuld b censorship in games, i mean come on some shooting games mite influence young kids and stuff

[squealpiggy]

Me, for example. I am 16 and have outdrunk people in there 40's (excuse the boast - I'm just trying to make my point). I think they should do tests on how advanced your liver is, and make a judgement on that about whether or not you can drink

Your liver deteriorates with time, and the fact that you have claimed to have outdrank people in their 40s is possibly one reason to believe that 16 year olds are not mature enough to handle acohol consumption. I can outdrink my dad, but this has more to do with the fact that I am 6 inches taller than him and two stone heavier than because I can "handle" booze any better. For the record I'm 26. I used to think that people should be allowed to drink at 14 (when I was 14 and going to the pub!) but now I think that to be allowed to drink you should be... 26!

[Vivi]

exactly.
Censorship isnt necessary. You cant censor life, deal with it.
The Aussie Govt should just create the 18+ restriction and leave the game as it is. Its not as if there arent whores in Australia.
Age restrictions are all that should be necessary, if that.
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I'm agreeing with that guy. Put a label on the games for mature, then they have to check for i.d. If ya don't like it, get someone to buy it for ya dang it. And don't give me crap about well thats not right. Go on a Street corner and ask for drugs or beer, within 15-20 minutes it's statistically proven that you have a 75% chance of success. It's life, deal wtih it and move your a$$ on.

[Sloth]

eh... have you ever thought that maybe certain game developing companies might WANT to have a rating system?...

Mother: You game taught my kid how to kill 50 people with a gummi worm!

Game Developer: We have a rating system and a warning. Complain to your retailer.

Mother: Oh, you're right... carry on then...

what aussieland's gov't is going, imo, is wrong... But the rating system play a major role in legality issues... whether you think it is for the betterment of children or not...

its all about covering your asses...

[Psychic Jack]

Originally posted by crzycookie
yup there shuld b censorship in games, i mean come on some shooting games mite influence young kids and stuff

...you didn't read through the rest of the thread, did you?

Since you don't seem to have read through the rest of the thread, I'll give you a breifing. Games have ratings. Games have ratings for a REASON. The ratings say, "You should be THIS age to play this game. If parents don't care, and allow their kids to play that kind of game, you can't blame the game companies. (Well, you CAN, but it wouldn't be right) The parents are the ones who are giving the children permission to own and play these games.

Quite personally, I would never kill or try to badly hurt someone, but I would see shooting games as a great way to vent, without actually killing anyone.

[PeePers]

Originally posted by rabid anarchist
exactly.
Censorship isnt necessary. You cant censor life, deal with it.
The Aussie Govt should just create the 18+ restriction and leave the game as it is. Its not as if there arent whores in Australia.
Age restrictions are all that should be necessary, if that.
marry me
im drunk
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[rabid anarchist]

i thought i already had?

[/offtopic]

games are games, not real life.
People (even kids) should learn to realise the difference, though i know some dont.
but seriously, some kid plays a game in which his character can get off with a whore. Do people honestly think this kid will then go off and find a whore?

Maybe there are the odd exceptions but..

[Magpie]

(offtopic: get your hands of my wife, both of you, you belong to me not eacover, fools.)

People will be influenced by things, it's human nature.

but then there are people who use a favoured scapegoat to try and blame their problems on it to get a lesser sentance.