Philosophy

[Chilly pepper]

PHILOSOPHY

Let's exchange philosophical views
You know, stuff like what' the meaning of life? What happen's after death?
Is there a god? what started the universe?
I think therefore I am.

[terrorbite]

You go first. I want your views on everything you just mentioned. Minimum 1000 words per question.

Only then will I offer my opinion.

[FuriousPanda]

you sound like my english teacher

[shroomhead]

i do not think that there is a god....

although this would be an easy way to answer the
question:"what is life's sense?" and "was there a beginning of life?".

[captain canuck]

the meaning of life is to procreate, therefore continuing life as we know it (albeit not for 'individuals').

problem solved. i don't see what's so hard about the question :p

[Chilly pepper]

I know-it's easy isn't it, but then, why procreate? So that they can procreate?

You go first. I want your views on everything you just mentioned. Minimum 1000 words per question.

Only then will I offer my opinion.
I think that there is no meaning of life. Look at evolution, first some chemicals and shit knocked into each other to make amoebas. These amoebas were different. Some were grey or blue and whatever- but those who lacked a certain quality died before they could multiply. This happened loads of times until the amoebas were plankton. Say some of these plankton could swim faster than other plankton. The slower ones couldn't get out of the way of danger in time, so they died. The faster ones reproduced, and cuz' they were quick, their kids were quick too (genetics). Obviously, two fast plankton have a kid and the kid is very fast, so the species changes a little. This happened more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more until we get to humans. Humans are smart, we don't change when a problem comes, our technology does. So as long as there is genetics and reproduction, there will be evolution. Life must have no meaning at all.

How the universe started, I don't know, I was born in bloody 1993.
I think though that it has always been, it has been as long as time. Think about time, how can that have a beginning? It's probably the only thing that can't, simply because of what it is. The big bang is proven, because radiation has been detected in space. But how do we know that started the universe? could'nt that have just have been a random chemical reaction? Maybe it was aliens killing each other. I don't know any more than that.

I don't know if there is a god. People believe in it cuz' they want to, it helps them through life. The only proof of god though is very suttle. People ask him things and then see a "sign". I believe there defianetly could be a god. just some strange force/mind/being out there. Why not? Because of the laws of the universe? It's the laws that seem impossible to me- humans havn't tried everything that there is to try, we don't know that they can'tbe broken.

After death, I think the body simply seises. The mind is a complete illusion created by chemicals and electricity. We are simply objects that do what we do because of the brain. Once the brain can no-longer go on, the mind vanishes. We don't even have free will, because of the way each person's brain is built, eachh person will enevadebly do what they do (that and the things that happen in our surroundings). Because of this there is only one future that can not be avoided.

[voiceofcod]

If you haven't read it, Sophie's World is simply awesome. It's a fictional story but it guides you through the core of philosophy. Awesome book.

Also, Bertrand Russel is my hero.

I think therefore I am.

^ == v

[m00b]

The only meaning of life: make some god damn babies.

[Chilly pepper]

ok, let me rephrase that, what's the meaning of babies?

[m00b]

To make more and more babies, so the world doesn't get too dull.

[Chilly pepper]

fair enough

[KeirAyres]

If you haven't read it, Sophie's World is simply awesome. It's a fictional story but it guides you through the core of philosophy. Awesome book.

Seconded, it was well worth the looks I got for buying a pink book aimed at young teens :p

[thecaterpillar]

Meaning of life is religion.

"Sophie's World" I'll try and get that book, because I really interested in philosophy.

[Skwee]

To be honest, Sophies World is a great book, with quite a shattering plot twist about two thirds through (NO SPOILERS). As a novel, it's so-so, but it managed to explain about 2500 years of philosophical thought within it.
However, if you really want to get into philosophy, I'd suggest taking classes or discussion groups on it. It is MUCH less daunting talking about it with others who know what theyre talking about than sitting down and reading Plato on your own.

Sure, there are those questions mentioned, but philosophical talks go much deeper than that. 'I think therefore I am' was coined by Rene Descartes for the few of you who don't know, but are yo aware that he also compared God to a triangle, and suggested that there could be robots walking around outside his house?
Nietzsche is famous for 'God is dead, and we killed him', but did you also know that he was massively sexist (not that it was uncommon in his day) and also imagined that one day we would all evolve into Superman?

EDIT - Thats loose paraphrasing; it's not quite as stupid and random as it sounds.

[Arnuma]

There is no meaningful answer to the meaning of life it's just go by most basic point survive and to procreate to keep surviving the rest is just what the mind and society have given us to answer these questions with more meaning but less truthful answers

[Skwee]

But the fact still remains that we can explain through science and psychology and chemistry every single thing that happens inside the body of every living thing to a mechanical degree, apart from the connection between our bodies and 'us', meaning our own consciousness and our own knowledge of our existence.
I can think of a chair, and the scientist can explain all of the nervous system happenings, and also all the chemical reactions that take place in my brain, but he can't explain how these reactions and impulses have any relation to the image in my head of a brown chair. Only theories.

And it is this; this sense of ourselves that is so unexplainable even our brilliant science cannot pinpoint it, that makes us step back and think 'We can't explain all of life and existence as a means of numbers, atoms and forces.'.
If we can't conceive, let alone explain, of our own minds, what evidence do any of us have to simply say 'Life is nothing more than procreation and survival instincts'?

[cadex]

well I cant really sum up my many thoughts on all the subjects that philosophy touches on such as religion, life, death and all the choices we are faced with in our lives that affect them so dearly so Im going to put as much effort into my post as the OP.

here's the legendary Bill Hicks expressing my thoughts much better than I can right now.

The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey – don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride." And we … kill those people. "Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because – it's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

Bill Hicks - Rant in E-Minor
Folks: It's time to evolve ideas. You know, evolution didn't end with us growing thumbs. You do know that, right? Didn't end there. We're at the point, now, where we're going to have to evolve ideas. The reason the world is so fucked up is we're undergoing evolution. And the reason our institutions, our traditional religions, are all crumbling, is because … they're no longer relevant. They're no longer relevant. So it's time for us to create a new philosophy and perhaps even a new religion, you see. And that's okay 'cause that's our right, 'cause we are free children of God with minds who can imagine anything, and that's kind of our role.

[Amazing how this is once relevent today. He's talking about George Bush Senior, however.]

And I knew Bill Clinton became one of the boys when he bombed Iraq. Remember that? It was just a little news story for two days, isn't that interesting? He launched 22 cruise missiles against Baghdad in retalliation for the alleged assassination attempt against George Bush, which failed. We killed six innocent people, launching twenty two, I think three million dollars-a-piece missles on Baghdad, killing six innocent people. Umm … I think that's a little bit overdoing it if you ask me. What we should have done is embarrass the Iraqis. And here's how we should have done it: We should have assassinated Bush ourselves. "There, that's how you do it, towel heads. Don't fuck with us." And see, if it had been Bush who had died, there would have been no loss of innocent life.

The late, great Bill Hicks (December 16, 1961–February 26, 1994)

[Skwee]

I see the analogy of the ride, but I'm confused as to whether the 'we always try to kill the good guys who tell us that' is a reference to religion in particular, or just to the general hatred of libera thinkers throughout the ages?

One passage I like, from Nietzsche, shows that even though we spend all our time asking why we are here, maybe there is no reason, because we are nothing more than a speck on the cosmos:

Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner into that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of "world history," but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed, and the clever beasts had to die. -- One might invent such a fable, and yet he still would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature. There were eternities during which it did not exist. And when it is all over with the human intellect, nothing will have happened.

[allfalldown]

I'm pretty sure I gone over some of this on the forums before, but I'm going to tell it again :p

What happens after death? For a start, I am extremely doubtful about the idea of heaven and hell. Mostly I believe in a kind of reincarnation. Energy cannoy be created or destroyed, so whatever energy it is that powers life must go on to form new life when we die. As far as I'm concerned, this theory only falls down if you believe we spend eternity in the afterlife, and you can't prove either idea right or wrong.

Is there a god? I reckon not. There's that Biblical quote or something that goes "God created Man in his own image", or something to that effect. I think it's the other way around, man created god in his own image. Thousands of years ago when didn't have science, people needed a way to explain how things happened, and an all-powerful being we can't see made as much sense as anything else. I'm not saying there isn't some kind of god-like being or powers beyond our current understanding, but if there is, it sure as hell isn't the beard in the sky that people want us to believe in.

What started the universe? I'm pretty sure it wasn't god, but other than that I couldn't say for sure. The Big Bang is the popular theory, but what was there to cause it? I like what Chilly Pepper said about the universe being there before the Bang, and the Bang having some other cause.

I think therefore I am. I've never properly understood what that means. Does it mean that if you think you exist, then you do? What if other people think you exist? Could it be about self awareness? There are other creatures on this planet that are not self-aware, as far as I know. I'm sure I've even seen something on TV showing that small children are not self-aware. Does this mean they don't exist? If you're not aware of yourself, then from your own point of view you don't exist. I suspect that quote as being something that was said purely because it sounds hugely deep and no-one could possibly understand it, therefore it was hailed as genius and whoever said it gained much recognition and glory. Arsehole.

[Skwee]

Last post for the night.

I would class myself as an existentialist. I believe not only God, but even human nature itself, is just a concept dreamt up by man. We are born, and sometime after that we die. No afterlife, no reincarnation save maybe the atoms from one of your cells turning into a mushroom or something. Now this point is where most philosophers go 'Pfft, existentialists, emo twats!' but I say NO Mr Bible Basher! We may not have anything to look forward to, so to speak, but that does not mean we do not have a reason for living. After all, what good is something if you have to bloody die to get it? No, for the most part we aren't driven to do good things to reap rewards after we die. We are driven to do good things because we know we can, and we know we shall all benefit if we work together. Yeah, you won't be around to see the worst effects of global warming for example, but if you do your part to help not choke the planet then you can live your entire life in safe knowledge that you havent screwed over your grandkids, or that you have contributed to the grander scheme in some small way.

[Macca]

Cadex you little fricking legend!

I love how everything ever can be boiled down to simple analogies. That is something we do to try to understand complexed things. Strip things apart to find their simplest form.

We stripped away at the human form to try and better understand it, we stripped away at matter to understand molecules, then atoms then sub atomic particles...

We divide time into measurable units to try and greater understand it, centuries, decades, years days minutes, seconds, nanoseconds, parsecs...

We have even aged the universe based on simple equations and data readings. A feat never even imagined by our forebears.

We have looked and touched and smelled and heard everything we can in our reach and grasp even further every single moment.

We quest to know what makes us human, we quest to know absolutely everything. We are at a point now, where even if Jesus came down from heaven for the second coming, he would be put into a laboratory and have every single test performed on him to ascertain the source of his power. We'd find out his mass, his volume, his age, his geneology. We'd quest to know more on our own, as opposed to simply sitting down with him and asking him questions.

We carbon dated the Turin shroud ffs!

Our quest and thirst for knowledge is unending no matter what we have found out, or what we will find out. The quest to know more will continue, we will archive our knowledge and experiences in newer and more interesting ways over time, but we WILL continue our quest.

This is my meaning of life, to know more and to expand the database of human knowledge.

Whether we are all aware of it or not, we are continuously doing this through whatever means, from word of mouth to internet forums, we share our acquired knowledge and experiences all the time.

[katt]

I was influenced by ayn rand's objectivism; her belief in individualism.

However, I am not an atheist.

[shroomhead]

i am though and i can only see one sense of life: FUN! why would we have such a thing which developed from instincts else?

i mean fun in a kind of hedonistic way, but i should be careful with this word.

[dead]

i don't believe that there is an actual set purpose to life other than what you choose to make of it, which can be anything you damn want. I'm also an atheist, just in case you wanted to know.

[Chilly pepper]

This is my meaning of life, to know more and to expand the database of human knowledge.

I like that. Perhaps each individual person has their own meaning of life, that's probably the case in fact. Whatever it is, you're good at it you love it, you want to do it, and you where built for it. Maybe the human race is like an ant's nest,* each person has their own job to do.


*accept we don't all get on:rolleyes:



I think therefore I am. I've never properly understood what that means. Does it mean that if you think you exist, then you do? What if other people think you exist? Could it be about self awareness? There are other creatures on this planet that are not self-aware, as far as I know. I'm sure I've even seen something on TV showing that small children are not self-aware. Does this mean they don't exist? If you're not aware of yourself, then from your own point of view you don't exist.

It means that because you think, that's definate proof you exist. You might look down at your body and think, of course I exist, I can see myself. But what if it's an illusion? But you think, because there is defiantly something going on in your brain you exist. If you don't think, you still exist, thought is just proof. Animals that are not self-aware exist, they think, but they would probably not ask themselves, do I exist?

[Skwee]

I think therefore I am. I've never properly understood what that means. Does it mean that if you think you exist, then you do? What if other people think you exist? Could it be about self awareness? There are other creatures on this planet that are not self-aware, as far as I know. I'm sure I've even seen something on TV showing that small children are not self-aware. Does this mean they don't exist? If you're not aware of yourself, then from your own point of view you don't exist. I suspect that quote as being something that was said purely because it sounds hugely deep and no-one could possibly understand it, therefore it was hailed as genius and whoever said it gained much recognition and glory. Arsehole.

Descartes managed to explain this by using the robots I mentioned earlier. He said that there are people in black coats walking under his window on the street now, and what is to say that they aren't just automatons with no free thought or mind at all? How the hell will anyone else know? The phrase 'I think therefore I am' isn't just a quote that deliberately tries to sound deep and meaningful.

Think the Matrix, which, to give it credit, has some VERY epistemic (philosophical word for what you think you know) themes to it. If we were in the Matrix, or we were brains plugged into some big fake world, then the only thing that we could truly KNOW exists is ourselves. Absolutely everything you know, experience and encounter in this world comes through your senses, meaning your senses are your one and ONLY means of interacting with the outside world. So, if your senses are completely wrong and lying to you, i.e. the Matrix, there is only one thing that does NOT come through your senses, and that is your own mind. You know without any doubt that if you choose to do something, you can freely choose to do it or not do it, and that free will is what enables us to exist. You know YOU exist; you are aware of yourself in a very direct way, but to you, everyone else is just simply a mass of sights, sounds, textures, smells and (on odd occasions) tastes. You have absolutely no grounds for claiming that other person you recognsie as your mate has the same free thoughts and will as you do. So, and this is what solipsism entails, for all you know, you could be the only person in existence.

[The Grim Reaper]

42.
(is the meaning of life)

[Chilly pepper]

Here's one for you, what's the difference between a
duck?

Think about it......................................I'll reveal the awnser later.

[Cactusman]

To make more and more babies, so the world doesn't get too dull.
Hang on a minute, make babies so the world DOESN'T get dull? Babies and small children are so annoying! All they do is whinge, cry and, in our fast food based society, get fat. Ye, right now I'm sat in front of a computer screen with a Big Mac and large fries burning it off by typing but...Shut up!

[KeirAyres]

42.
(is the meaning of life)

IT IS NOT. It is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.

Sorry, but it annoys me when people make that mistake :p

[Instinct]

You know, we only discuss this because we're human. Take it back to basics.

Meaning of life = to be better than the last generation.

God = our creation

Death = end of.

[cadex]

You know, we only discuss this because we're human. Take it back to basics.

Meaning of life = to be better than the last generation.

God = our creation

Death = end of.

what if the basics are flawed?
who is this god everyone speaks of? Is he a solid entity, in the form of a human? does he have the same drives and hormones as us humans? If so he can't be flawless.
Is he an entity that we cant percieve in our current mindstate? Not solid but pure energy? and if so, what kind of energy? Id assume he/it would be the all positive, ever loving, 100% pure good. An entity we can't see? it must be far from our planet? which would mean it would be an alien (oh shit).
Or is he in all of us? ever present in every living thing? and if so, why cant we see him/it? Are we not looking well enough or are we not utilising our third eye enough? Maybe through our minds eye we can come into contact with such an entity, that may or may not already be present right this minute on a plaine of existence that we can't tune into due to our distractions of life, people, money, jobs, status and the life we are fed through our current senses?

Philosophy has many questions but answering them is futile, so I ask you, where is this thread going? It's as without meaning as life itself, until it ends.
We live, we die. o I believe our own individual purpose is found at our own personal end.

[katt]

Hang on a minute, make babies so the world DOESN'T get dull? Babies and small children are so annoying! All they do is whinge, cry and, in our fast food based society, get fat. Ye, right now I'm sat in front of a computer screen with a Big Mac and large fries burning it off by typing but...Shut up!

babies exist to be cute and useless. dont knock the babies.

[Chilly pepper]

If there is a god who is all powerful, then, can he make a boulder so big that he can't lift it?
No?
But I thought he was all powerful.
Yes?
But I thought he was all powerful.

[Cactusman]

Babies exist to be completely pointless
Yay...Someone who...agrees with me...(nervous laughter)Yes, that's it...agrees. He he he...

[Chilly pepper]

babies exist to be cute and useless. dont knock the babies.
Useless?
But they'll become adults later, that would mean there's no meaning of life.
Am I being to serious here?

[Cactusman]

If there is a god who is all powerful, then, can he make a boulder so big that he can't lift it?
No?
But I thought he was all powerful.
Yes?
But I thought he was all powerful.
My brain just asploded even ATTEMPTING to comprehend that concept...

[Chilly pepper]

well that is the idea.
Go see a doctor


Speaking of asplosions, it is said that if anything should happen, that has a totally unimaginable result, the universe will implode. Like the sentance: "This is a lie". WWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA????????????? ?????
Have you played a game called Mario Kart Double Dash? You know those sparkly stars you can get that make you indestructlable to any player or object, what if two players got one of those both at once and hit each other? Maybe your gamecube would blow up.

[Cactusman]

Useless?
But they'll become adults later, that would mean there's no meaning of life.
Am I being to serious here?
There is NO meaning of life. It just...is. That's all, you're born, you live, you die and it's like being in an eternal sleep. You know nothing of what's happening around you, except there's a slight feeling of knowing you'll wake up, but with death, that feeling is there, but you don't wake up. OMG! That's horrible...putting that into words I just realised how much I don't want this to end...to never die...(shakes head vigorously) Sorry everyone, went into a rant-esque type thing again...I need therapy. Bad.

[Chilly pepper]

I told you to see a doctor!

[Cactusman]

I told you to see a doctor!
I was too busy comprehending the fact that life is...all. No afterlife...no rebirth...nothing. I guess the only thing to cheer me up now would be a wank, but oh well...should we continue this debate over PMs because we are taking up the forum space.

[Chilly pepper]

What if life is a dream, and when you die, you actually wake up to a life that is even longer than the life you just just dreamt, and that dream is just another one of many you've had in that life? And when you die in that life, you just wake up to a longer on?


I've heard that if you burp and fart at the same time, you implode.
Bollocks, I do it all the time.

[Cactusman]

Impossible.

[Chilly pepper]

Watch me!

[lilparp]

I believe in God because I am simply not prepared to disbelieve that which might conceivably be true.

I'm not trying to convert anyone or anything, but I had a quick think, and this is what I pondered, 2 hypothetical situations, which you will find, very badly explained in a rush, below:

1) Person 1 is religious. They go through life being nice and doing godly things. They die, and, because in this hypothetical situation there is no divine entity, they are none the wiser about that fact. Their consciousness, their being, is gone, and they feel no pain, they feel nothing. You could say they were at peace, having died looking forward to something else, something greater.

2) Person 2 is an evil person, and does not believe in ultimate consequences because they are atheistic. They make their way through life murdering, laughing at religious people and doing what others see as sinful because they do not believe in a god. Now, person 2 dies, and as there is a god in this hypothetical situation, and because they have sinned they get blammed and sent to hell faster than you can say 'shoop da whoop'.

Both are worst case scenarios, given the deity/no deity factor, and person 2 is a right bastard by anyone's standards - I'd rather be person 1 though. Any thoughts?

[thecaterpillar]

If there is a god who is all powerful, then, can he make a boulder so big that he can't lift it?
No?
But I thought he was all powerful.
Yes?
But I thought he was all powerful.

You are not suppose to test God, even if you manage to test him he'll do nothing. Remember the time when the devil tries to test Jesus?

[RobW]

I personally believe God is everything and nothing. He exists and doesn't exist. The Universe is just a cell to another Universe of being which is percepted as the same size, which goes on for both infinity and nothing at all into a huge, perfect circle of being, with nothing surrounding it.
My views, in a way, are Pantheistic, but I can't say I'm a philosophy expert, I haven't even read a book on philosophy.

[Cactusman]

On my bookshelf at home, I got Stephen Hawking's A Guide To The Universe, or whatever his second books called. I'm only 13, yet I have more than vaguely understood it. However, I disagree with some of Mr Hawking's theories, I don't believe time travel with ever be possible, but that's not for here.

[Macca]

Pretty damn interesting.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5896048467372201322

Interresting at about 19 minutes into it. Don't get me wrong, the 19 minutes before isn't boring.

I have some other links if you want. Just request them in this thread.
Actually I might as well just put the links down now :trex:
"Are we alone?" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-450368980119913739

"Why are we here?" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3817015405378189678

"Are we real?" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6104300253381448501

There all about 45 minutes long, so when you got free time and got nothing to do, this is perfect.

From a thread in LWIF, these videos (the last three) are scientific, yet intensly philosophical at the same time.

I recommend viewing them to anyone who has posted in this thread.

The Statement below is true.

The Statement above is false.

[Chilly pepper]

You are not suppose to test God, even if you manage to test him he'll do nothing. Remember the time when the devil tries to test Jesus?

Saying "Your not suppose to test god" doesn't awnser anything, I mean what if you did test him like that?

Don't remember the devil and jesus or anything.:eng101:

[thecaterpillar]

Saying "Your not suppose to test god" doesn't awnser anything, I mean what if you did test him like that?

Don't remember the devil and jesus or anything.:eng101:

If you did test him, he'll do nothing. Can't remember the exact chapter or verse in the Bible, but I remember from RE lesson. Jesus was stuck in the desert for 40 days, and the devil came and said something like "if you really are the son of God you can turn this stone into bread." But Jesus then said something to make him go away. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

[Chilly pepper]

probbly

If you did test him, he'll do nothing. Can't remember the exact chapter or verse in the Bible, but I remember from RE lesson. Jesus was stuck in the desert for 40 days, and the devil came and said something like "if you really are the son of God you can turn this stone into bread." But Jesus then said something to make him go away. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

He'll do nothing cu'z he can't do it. That's like if I said I can through a ball at that tree over there blind folded! And someone said show me then, and I said, eerrrrr.......... I don't, eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... feel like it....

[thecaterpillar]

probbly



He'll do nothing cu'z he can't do it. That's like if I said I can through a ball at that tree over there blind folded! And someone said show me then, and I said, eerrrrr.......... I don't, eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... feel like it....

No. Is more like I can go into a supermarket and put a can of beer in my pocket , then walk out without paying. I can but I won't.

[Chilly pepper]

But what if you did?
What if god did?

[thecaterpillar]

But what if you did?
What if god did?

Outcomes are usually unpredictable, I might get caught I may not. God knows what God will do.

[Skwee]

For a Pap thread, this went on for a while as quite a serious and intelligent thread. But, like all good threads, it eventually included the phrase 'Fuck off you wanker!' and went from there.

(love you really Cactusman :D)

[kotu]

I know the answers to all the above questions.

*tips hat*

[katt]

my ex-boyfriend is into the philosophy stuff. Once i threw one of his philosophy books at him (i forget what book and philosopher ) when i got mad at him and was ordering him out. it turned out it was about controlling emotions or something but i didnt know that when i threw it.

[El Kabong]

The meaning of life? That's simple. Look it up, lazy ass.

life [lahyf] 1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

Now shaddup.

Seriously though, as far as I'm concerned, there is no profound, universally true meaning to life. One person's reason to go on with life is probably completely different from someone else's. Even if it was, say, procreation, most people don't want to believe that, and make themselves live for something else. We all live for our own reasons, and most of us live for more than one simple thing (i.e. for love, to expand our minds, for cheap, casual sex in a sleazy motel).

Though I know biologically, we are mostly driven by the urge to find a mate and make babies, I'd like to think I'm alive to make other people enjoy thier lives a bit more. Cheering people up is enough to get me through the day.

And I refuse to believe that we are all destined to a fate God decides for us. Having that mindset would probably make me just sit on a couch and say "whatever happens happends for a reason." I doubt I'm right, but even the illusion of free will will do.

[Cactusman]

For a Pap thread, this went on for a while as quite a serious and intelligent thread. But, like all good threads, it eventually included the phrase 'Fuck off you wanker!' and went from there.

(love you really Cactusman :D)
I thank you.

[cyber_turnip]

I think therefore I am. Or am I?



Think about it.

[Skwee]

Is this a question?

[Chilly pepper]

I like your style. What you just said, ( I daren't put it into words myself) does not compute. At least not to me anyway.
Wait! that is a question! because we're all searching for the awnser
third post up from page 2 I asked "What is the difference between a duck?" here
it is



One leg is both the same.
Anyway, in Minority Report, they have some freaks predict the future, and they try to prevent crimes.
But I think There is only one exact future and it is enevadeble. We stand there, about to make a desicion, and we don't know what it is. There is one future, and whatever we do we can't change it, because whatever we try and do to change it, that was already part of the slightly less distant future.