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Dr-Electro

03-02-2004, 05:29 PM

Quick quiz: Do your parents smoke at home?

Do your parents smoke in the car?

If you answered yes to either question, you are a smoker, too. It does not matter if you ever ut the cigarette butt into your mouth or light up. You breathe. They exhale. You breathe some more. You smoke. Period.

I was a tobacco addict the day I was born. Mamas-to-be, if you smoke, your baby gets as much nicotine as you do, directly into its tiny curculatory system. The baby's bloodstream is loaded up with a higher concentration of nicotine than yours is.

My mother was a chain smoker. So was my Dad. I didn't have a chance! I finally quit smoking at the age of 48, after smoking (my own fags) for thirty years!!! I have emphysema. I think I would have eventually contracted it even if I never lit a single butt.

The other drugs you are talking about start many ways. Some kids swipe Mom's "nerve pills" when she's not looking. In other cases it is a matter of opportunity reinforced by peer pressure. This is a generally accepted chain of events. It is not 100% true for every person who starts using drugs.

In every case where the user tries the drug, whether it be alcohol, tobacco, heroin or marihuana, and stops using it, the use is called experimental and the user is said to not have an addictive personality disorder. In every case where the user tries the drug and cintinues using it in spite of warnings and pressure from family and friends to stop, the user has an addictive personality disorder.

All psychology aside, don't kid yourself about using drugs, regardless of their legality. Once you start, stopping is horribly difficult and sometimes fatal. It would be much better for you if you never start.

I am not making value judgments. I do not judge other people. You do what you do, I do what I do. I just wish you sould reconsider using any drug at all, especially if you are very young.

Ok, somebody else can use the soapbox, now.

mm pretty dress

03-02-2004, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Oliz
Alcohol........

You can get hooked on it, But if your carful you dont.

As with any other drug.

You can’t argue that 'all drugs are bad except this one which happens to be legal & socially acceptable'.

All drugs are the same.

All have the potential to seriously damage your health, all drugs have the potential to enhance the way you feel or alter your state of perception & it is just as easy & dangerous to get addicted to alcohol as it is anything else.

Oli

03-02-2004, 05:41 PM

I will use drug's for medical reason's (obviously).

But i do see what you meen about smoking, not only if you are at a very young age and inhail lot's of smoke but it can be geneticaly passed down,(cravings and all that twoodle)

My Grandad and My Mum's auntie smoke very heavily.

My auntie Chain smoke's.

My Grandad smoke's through a pipe but used to have 40-60 fag's a day. (In the war day's)

He smoked so much in fact that the day i was born, he had a heart attack. But luckily survived.

Thing is, my brother has inherited this and feel's he has to smoke, but there is one good thing that get's in the way.
If he has over 4fag's a day he will throw up. Hence he gave up.

I hope i dont get this urge to try a fag now, start smoking and all that.:nana: :nana:

notmarcie

03-02-2004, 05:53 PM

I have just applied for a job in drugs education with under 18s so this comes at a very timely uh..time.

I used to drink and use various recreational drugs (please don;t let this thread turn into a discussion of which drug is better) and to be honest I am not sure really why I did either. I quit doing both, and am now proud to be drink and drug free. Coming from a family with three generations of alcoholism its probably been a very good thing for me to do.

Hmm, I never have really thought about why I took drugs, partly to self medicate as I suffered with depression as a teenager although it was undiagnosed at the time. As well as the chemical effects which temporarily relieved the emotions I felt (although exacerbated them in the long term) the whole ritual surrounding drug use appealed. It made me feel part of a group (peer pressure and a desire to fit in) although when I decided to stop using drugs entirely I soon found these people weren't friends but just people I shared chemical experiences with.

I was curious about the effects, from the feeling of being very relaxed whilst using weed to the accute introspection and self realisation induced by LSD. Obviously I didn't realise that my oh so profound drug induced proclamations and discoveries were in fact total balls.

I would never say to someone "don't take drugs, they are bad" just as I would never say "take them they are good". I do veer to the don't take them side though. As Dr-Electro previously said starting is easy, stopping is hard. The cons far outwight the pros as you never know what underlying physical and mental health problems you may have that only emerge once you add chemicals to the mix.

leeroy

03-02-2004, 06:03 PM

here we go again.

first off you shouldn't catogorise them all under the heading of 'drugs' and not all are damaging in the same way. smoking aint a nice habit but people i know who smoke say they do it as it relaxes them. people use cannabis chill out and have a giggle its a pretty social thing and i think is very enjoyable. phsycadelic drugs on the other hand i have used for spiritual enlightenment and finding out about myself. cocaine though is the exception, its fucking briliant but unfortunately not to good habit, and it really doesnt seem to have a bad side.

Death says: Heroin makes me look cool and individual, as well as this smoking increases my sex appeal by 8-12%

that was some lovely input by Death a former forumite.

sack the chimp

03-02-2004, 06:25 PM

Smoking only relaxes you when your hooked. Its the only major psychotropic drug, which means it speeds your heart rate but relaxes at the same time, so without it you feel restless but lethargic, which is pretty unpleasant.

Smoking weed is fine for some, but affects some people badly, and longterm use can often lead to schitsophrenia and depression. Like beer though, the odd joint isn't really that harmful, but apart from anything else its much worse for your lungs than fags if your a heavy smoker. I've heard doctors talking of 20yr old weed smokers with the lungs of 60yr old chainsmokers.

Serious hallucinogens like LSD alter your mind a lot, and people have gone permenantly mad from just one acid before. You never know how your gonna react for the first time, and in the long term i'm sure problems are likely.

And as for cocaine, that largely does bad things to people's personalities making them much more aggresive (in my experience) aswell as being hugely addictive.

Ecstasy causes paranoia and can lead to serious long term depression. As well as killing brain cells, fucking your kidneys, and the balance of water required to stay safe when on them (although this is the lesser of the evils, despite what the government used to preach).

Speed also causes paranoia, speed comedowns are absolutely horrendous, and it screws your body (rots teeth, ages everything). Again, long term use tends to lead to big mental problems.

Well, thats what I think about the dangers. Apart from anything else, just don't get into them while you're young. You're far more likely to get hooked, and you won't know how susceptable you are to this until you are hooked.

Rant over.

notmarcie

03-02-2004, 06:30 PM

Sack the Chimp, I think I love you !

Its easy to deny the potential damage drugs can do, be they alcohol, cigarettes, Class A or Class C. I urge anyone who doesn't believe this to visit a psychiatric unit and see how many poeple have had condtions caused or exacerbated by drug use.
As a former user of acid I am of the opinion that using it to get in touch with yourself is a somewhat bizzare rationale. How can you get intouch with your real self when you are bombarding it with drugs ?

squealpiggy

03-02-2004, 06:34 PM

The problem with more people taking drugs is that education doesn't really exist as to the actual effect. Most "drug awareness" programmes centre around this kind of propaganda:

THIS IS UR BRAIN ON TEH DRUGZ!!111
http://trollgold.com/trolljune/crazy%20dog%20ka.jpg

The effects are exaggerated, so you begin to believe that all anti-drugs programmes are lies and there is no harm to drugs. I am neither ashamed nor proud to admit that I have tried drugs of varying kinds in the past. And I will tell you the truth about what they do. All it takes is for the government and health departments to adopt this attitude and less people will get involved in drugs because they don't believe in the dangers.

GorillaBearBear

03-02-2004, 06:41 PM

Don't let cadex in :P

Anyway, I do drugs because it feels nice. Same reason I drink alcahol. I don't smoke, because it tastes horrible. I think in the majority of people that's the reason. I mean there are people who smoke or whatever to look cool, but the amount of people who do that is minimal, either because they give up quickly or because they grow out of doing it for that reason. Bleugh, I can't think how to finish this off.

Ferret Pie

03-02-2004, 06:43 PM

The current drug classification system and law enforcement is too hypocritical and seems more to do with the money than actually stopping people doing drugs. Nicotine and tobbaco together make a horrible drug, more addictive than heroin and possibly as dangerous. Yet it is sold syill. Marijuana is about the same as alchohol if it is not mixed with tobbaco but it is not legal when the very dangerous alcohol ius. It is just too profitable to our governmant for tham to ban it. (not alcohol, ciggies and cigars)

sack the chimp

03-02-2004, 06:51 PM

Somne people do start taking drugs to look cool, but being accepeted into a social group, feeling like you belong is another factor, especially when people are young. Personally, I just liked getting twatted (hated life as a teenager), but got pretty low when i saw how things were turning out.

I still have the odd joint/pill/line of coke. I don't touch acid or similar anymore, and havent done speed in years (largely because its foul, and no-one seems to do it anymore), although I haven't ruled it out. Once in a while, for a good night out, I do these things, but i can have a good night out without them these days.

I've come out of it alright, but i know many people who took things to far, and they're in various bad situations, and I often wonder how i could have turned out without the stuff.

elliekinz

03-02-2004, 07:09 PM

one of my friends smokes. i've asked her to stop but she says shes addicted, but she cant be because she doesn't take it back! shes addicted to looking good. as are some other people i know who smoke weed and flaunt it!

squealpiggy

03-02-2004, 07:13 PM

\I have to admit smokers do look good! I can't help thinking every time I see them of their stinky breath, ashtrays next to their bed, yellowing fingers and absolute lack of sexual stamina because their lungs are poor at uptaking oxygen!

Don't smoke, people, it's really crap. You know I would rather people were doing toher drugs because at least I wouldn't then get home stinking of cigarettes.

Oli

03-02-2004, 07:21 PM

Or how about we forget the whole drug's thing!

I can understand getting hooked and stuff but it seems pretty piontless to me!

cadex

03-02-2004, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by GuerillaBaaBaa
Don't let cadex in :P

sup

Originally posted by Oliz
Or how about we forget the whole drug's thing!

I can understand getting hooked and stuff but it seems pretty piontless to me!

once again, not all drugs are addictive, but they can be so good that you want to do them again, but no real need like crack addicts.

ever hear about a bum offering to suck dick for a spliff?

I use drugs.
I want to try most substances (bar crack and heroin, maybe opium) and doing a good job so far.

I see drugs as being split into to groups.

Naturaly occuring substances
Man made/Synthetic substances

I see natural occuring substances as being the least harmful, apart from opium, which has been modified to creat heroin and other opiates.
Things like magic mushrooms, cannabis, salvia, peyote and HBWR seeds have been a part of human conciousness for thousands of years.
we have evolved with them, we ourselves are a product of the world around us and the things that grow here.

I dont use drugs to look cool, and think that anyone who does is a waste of space, and drugs.
I would much rather smoke some cannabis or eat some mushrooms on my own, preferably around nature or while doing something I love.

I try to keep myself from taking anything that isn't natural, apart from alcohol and LSD.

The world is full of misinformation concerning drugs, and I think it's a disgrace that some drugs are legal and some drugs aren't. It's a great breach of freedom.

I mean, take caffine vs cannabis for example.
There is a law that states that any workplace must have a set amount of time put aside for workers to stop working and fuel up on caffine.
This helps workers work basicaly, keeps them doing monotonous, repeatative tasks without questions.

If however, there was a set amount of time for people to smoke some cannabis then this will stop them from wanting to work as hard, start to realise that they are wasting their time stuck indoors while there is a beautiful world outside and stop making them want to earn their BMW.

basicaly if you can control the drugs society has then you can control their behaviour.

and if you send out the message that all drugs are bad, harmful to the world (sup capitalism), harmful to yourself (sup misinformation) and create a false pretence that drugs are antisocial then its quite easy to stop people from experimenting safely.

GorillaBearBear

03-02-2004, 08:42 PM

wow...I thought you'd post that thing about that brain drug...GHD or whatever it is again :P

That was a great post. Kind of exactly what I feel. Sup +

cadex

03-02-2004, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by GuerillaBaaBaa
wow...I thought you'd post that thing about that brain drug...GHD or whatever it is again :P

DMT

can be extracted from plants and occurs in the human brain.
is released when you fall asleep to help the transition of consciousness and unconsciousness.

also a theory that it released when you die (near death experiances of a "beautiful tunnel of light" = tripping balls) as well as theories that when DMT is created in a babies brain while in its mothers womb is the moment that your consciousness is created.

sack the chimp

03-02-2004, 09:39 PM

Alcohol occurs naturally (rotting fruit), and has grown with mankind, although largely created by humans, i'd class it as naturally occuring (most things need some prep, like drying ganja).

What the hell is DMT? I've never heard of that.

Also + for truth on the ganja argument. A society can get pissed every night and still do a hard days work. If everyone was allowed to smoke weed, things wouldn't get done. That and most politicians drink but don't smoke weed, therefore some things remain legal while others don't.

Oli

03-02-2004, 09:41 PM

What the hell is DMT? I've never heard of that.

That is what i was going to say!

Or is it some kind of short-cut spelling thing?

Incompetent

03-02-2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Dr-Electro
Quick quiz: Do your parents smoke at home?

Do your parents smoke in the car?

If you answered yes to either question, you are a smoker, too.

My parents ave never smoked, and neither have I, but I sort of know what you mean: if I go somewhere where lots of people are smoking, after a while I stop noticing it; then when I leave, I notice the lack of tobacco in the air, and find my clothes don't smell particularly unpleasant, even though they smell pretty strongly of the stuff (I really hate the smell of smoke normally). It's all too easy for your brain to adjust to a smoke-filled environment.

Smoking while pregnant is reallly,really bad and is in my mind a form of child abuse: as well as suffering many of the afflictions smokers get, children who are exposed to nicotine etc in the womb are more likely to be underweight and have developmental defects.

To cadex: I don't see what you're getting at with natural vs man-made drugs. Drugs like cannabis and cocaine are just highly refined forms of natural substances, whereas things like LSD and ecstasy have little connection with plants. Does that make ecstasy worse than cocaine? Also, with the possible exception of alcohol, no drug, natural or otherwise, has been in every culture's consciousness for millenia, just the ones that happened to live where these substances could be found; for example only Native Americans can be said to have 'evolved with' tobacco.

sweetfloss: "I didnt look very pretty after he'd finished with me"
:eek: That sounds horrible! I hope it least caused him to think long and hard about his habit, after he'd calmed down.

cadex

03-02-2004, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by sack the chimp
What the hell is DMT? I've never heard of that.

N,N-dimethyltryptamine
C12H16N2

N,N-DMT is a psychoactive chemical in the tryptamine family, which causes intense visuals and strong psychedelic mental affects when smoked, injected, snorted, or (when taken with an MAOI such as haramaline) when swallowed orally. N,N-DMT is most often called just "DMT", although this name sometimes causes confusion with its chemical cousin 5-MeO-DMT. N,N-DMT is present in thousands of species of plants and has been used traditionally in South America both in Ayahuasca brews and snuffs since at least the time of first European contact.

When smoked, DMT generally reaches full effects within 10-60 seconds of inhalation

The smoked DMT experience is short, but generally incredibly intense. Onset is fast and furious, sometimes compared to being launched from a cannon. It is a fully engaging and enveloping experience of visions and visuals which varies greatly from one individual to the next. Users report visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities, profound changes in ontological perspective, fanciful dreamscapes, frightening and overwhelming forces, complete shifts in perception and identity followed by an abrupt return to baseline.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

sack the chimp

03-02-2004, 10:01 PM

Interesting. I dont do trips anymore though, so I think I'll give it a miss.

Rogue

04-02-2004, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by cadex

If however, there was a set amount of time for people to smoke some cannabis then this will stop them from wanting to work as hard, start to realise that they are wasting their time stuck indoors while there is a beautiful world outside and stop making them want to earn their BMW.

.

I would rather be out being productive than all strung out on dope. Just my opinion

it would not be such a beautiful world if it started to rain or snow and you discovered you had no house !

piemanmoo

04-02-2004, 02:22 AM

If you want to get dizzy, spin yourself in a chair for hours on end.

If you want to relax, listen to soft music.

If you want to breathe fumes, fart.

Now why would you pay $300 a pound when you can do stuff free for the same effect?

plattbridger

04-02-2004, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Oliz
So what is it that drive's people to smoke and take drug's.

A weak mind and an empty life usually

Now all I need do is sit back and await the - ratings :D

Rogue

04-02-2004, 02:28 AM

well i gave you a plus dear platt. Not sure if the rest of the forum will look upon that bold statement as kindly. But if you cannot be bold in a debates forum then where can you be bold?

I think that drugs really mess people's lives and minds up. It is sad. No one deserves something like that.

Chookmeister

04-02-2004, 02:43 AM

I smoke cannabis now and then in my house, and my housemates smoke it more regularly than I do. I just share a joint whenever I feel like it.

Cannabis abuse can make a person lose their motivation in everything. Yes, everything. I have indeed seen this happen to people first hand, and have heard stories of people who have managed to escape their mental addiction. Notice, however, that I have made careful use of the word 'abuse', which is central.

Doing drugs isn't necessarily being addicted to them, or the precursor to an addiction. Smoking cannabis will not necessarily lead to someone going through a phase of what I've just described. A weak mind will lead to that.

However, it's extremely lacking in insight for someone to suggest that doing drugs, period, is the product of a weak mind or an empty life. Even usually.

I guarantee you - you don't know the half of it if that is what you think. It's a bold statement indeed, but a grossly misinformed one.

Expect much a much stiffer argument from Cadex if he can be bothered. :) There's a man who really knows what he's talking about.

plattbridger

04-02-2004, 03:03 AM

Well I think that drugs and depression (on any level) are irrevocably linked. There has to be something missing in someone’s life if they have to fill the void with drugs and drugs are just an easy way out of confronting yourself and/or your situation.

Tobacco is slightly different as society is more permissive towards it but most smokers will tell you they started because of peer pressure etc and there obviously has to be some self doubt with these people if they are that desperate to be conformist, especially knowing what we know now about tobacco.

Look at the sorts of places that have the highest drug abuse rates and the sort of people who live there and the mentality it gives them. This is not so much a personal problem as one caused by society as a whole. There are those that simply do drugs for shits and giggles and you have to ask yourself why they are doing that, even if its just because drugs are frowned upon.

Dr-Electro

04-02-2004, 03:16 AM

Most of the time that I smoked, I never even had a sub-conscious thought about what I was doing. I lit up when I felt like lighting up, almost never being aware of teh chain of chemical events that led up to my body's wanting a hit of nicotine. I was on tobacco autopilot 99.9999% of the time. Nicotine was me. Now, the stuff stinks so badly that I can tell you if a neighbor lights up with all the doors and windows shut! I am dreadfully allergic to it, too.

I tried pot and fell asleep. The only acid trip I ever took was the time somebody at a party spiked my drink and I did not have a pleasant trip. Or was it something else in my booze that did it? I will never know for sure, but I intend to avoid a repeat of the experience.

Cadex, are you a straight-A student in chemistry? I know you really know your stuff when it comes to chemicals, but never thought to ask before.

Piemanmoo, a + for humor. You made me laugh with that one, "If you want to breathe fumes, fart."

notmarcie, my respect for you grows with each post I read. I am glad you are a member of these forums.

Keep it going, folks. This is turning out to be the best discussion we have ever had on the subject.

Have any of you heard of a recent medical study that claims hte capsaicin in hot chile peppers can bring about psychological dependency? I know I like hot foods and occasionally overeat on jalapeno peppers, but I never imagined that anyone could get hooked on them.

notmarcie

04-02-2004, 05:44 AM

Thanks for making me feel welcome Dr-Electro. I try to make intelligent comments on things I care about and have a modicum of factual information on. I've been on enough horrible and flame hurling debates to appreciate this forum for its general level of maturity and respect for other views, whilst not being afraid to challenge those views.

Shovelling myself back on topic, I think there was a study a couple of years ago which indicated some people could become addicted to curry. Apparently regular eaters of spicy food develop tolerance levels and need to get hotter and hotter food to get the same high. Eating curry apparently creates the same bodily responses as sex, higher blood pressure, faster heart beat and a release of endorphins.

Oooh, just found this, it talks about chile cravings and a little bit about using cigarettes and alcohol. I never knew this

...humans are the only mammals that "reverse their natural rejection" to bitter "innately unpalatable substances" such as nicotine, coffee, alcohol, tobacco...and chile peppers. Weird, humans amaze me.

Now, I want curry, even though its 5.40 am. Addiction ?

squealpiggy

04-02-2004, 07:58 AM

Well chilli peppers must be eaten by some animals as they are fruits, fruits are designed for the purpose of being eaten to spread the seeds within. So I dunno about that.

Yes you can get addicted to peppers as notmarcie mentioned. The way it works is that the hot flavour sets off pain-controlling endorphins and so you get a rush like you do immediately after orgasm. Your tolerance increases too as you get used to hotter and hotter food.

cervantes

04-02-2004, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by piemanmoo

Now why would you pay $300 a pound when you can do stuff free for the same effect?

you been paying way too much for your shit dude, $300 a pound is daylight robbery ;)

cadex

04-02-2004, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Rogue
I would rather be out being productive than all strung out on dope. Just my opinion

it would not be such a beautiful world if it started to rain or snow and you discovered you had no house !

well there's a difference between smoking the odd joint now and then, and smoking it all the time and becoming "strung out on dope".

it's the difference between use and abuse.

Lots of my friends I would say abuse cannabis, that is to say that they cant go a day without a joint and in some casses it has really impacted their lives and become introverted and paranoid (this would be more a problem with the mind itself, enhanced by cannabis). But there are others that go to work all day and go home, have a joint and chill out, just to get back up in the early hours of the morning and happily do it all again.

nowadays I rarely smoke and keep it limited to weekends only. This makes your tolerance level lower which means you get twice as high as the stoner sitting next to you (score).

Originally posted by piemanmoo
If you want to relax, listen to soft music.

If you want to breathe fumes, fart.

1.) you have no idea how amazing music can be while stoned, a very very pleasurable experiance in my eyes.

2.)I dont breathe farts.

Originally posted by plattbridger
A weak mind and an empty life usually

quite the contrary.
I know some people take drugs and will have a weak mind and an empty life, but there are thousands more who dont take drugs and also have weak minds and an empty life.

I think it takes a very strong mind to handle magic mushrooms, LSD and DMT during a strong trip.
It's learning to control your thoughts, focus on the positive and keep your grip on reality.
Psychadelic drugs are powered by thought, if you start to think something bad then the trip can go bad, very bad. It's hard to explain the feeling of being scared, nervous or paranoid while tripping. Basicaly take the most fear you have experianced in your life along with your doubts and times it by 10. Not pretty.
Keeping yourself from reaching that point is hard, it's like a running on a tightrope.

It all depends on set and setting.
Your mindset (happy, sad, scared, nervous, excited) and your setting (surroundings).
If you are very happy, with some people who you are very close to, in a great environment (say a field in the countryside in the middle of summer) and on LSD / magic mushrooms then you can be sure to have an amazing time, relaxing in the beauty of nature, holding long conversations about life/the world/the universe and coming away from it feeling closer to your friends and the world. If thats not a rich life then I dont know what is.

People who don't do their research about psychadelics are at the greater risk of getting into a bad trip and maybe causing some damage to themselves because they aren't fully aware of a drugs affect, although saying that, you can't be 100% what its like until you have tried it. It's all about doing your research on how to handle trips.

Just say know.

Originally posted by Dr-Electro
Cadex, are you a straight-A student in chemistry? I know you really know your stuff when it comes to chemicals, but never thought to ask before.

heh

I've only been experimenting for 3 years (first smoked pot at 15) but it's a subject that interests me greatly (could you tell?).
Everything I have taken I have done much research about it so I know what Im letting myself in for. I started reading up on LSD a year before I took it, as well as talking to veteran trippers and to friends who only just taking it as to get a greater understanding of acid. I also waited until I have put the final full stop on my final essay for college before tripping for the first time. no point in screwing things up over drugs.

Rogue

04-02-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by cadex
[B]well there's a difference between smoking the odd joint now and then, and smoking it all the time and becoming "strung out on dope".

it's the difference between use and abuse.

Yes i know what you mean.....I have a friend who smokes a joint once in a blue moon for kicks. However, she is quite studious and productive most of the time.

I think you ought to be careful cadex. I do not mean to sound preachy or anything...Just giving my 2 cents.

these drugs you are taking might not have any strong effects now, but as you get older the effects might begin showing up. I do not know much about drugs but i have heard of stories where people go on trips years and years after they have taken a mind-altering drug.

cadex

04-02-2004, 02:53 PM

thanks for the concern, I will try to be as careful as possible.

plattbridger

04-02-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by cadex
quite the contrary.
I know some people take drugs and will have a weak mind and an empty life, but there are thousands more who dont take drugs and also have weak minds and an empty life.

I think it takes a very strong mind to handle magic mushrooms, LSD and DMT during a strong trip.
It's learning to control your thoughts, focus on the positive and keep your grip on reality.
Psychadelic drugs are powered by thought, if you start to think something bad then the trip can go bad, very bad. It's hard to explain the feeling of being scared, nervous or paranoid while tripping. Basicaly take the most fear you have experianced in your life along with your doubts and times it by 10. Not pretty.
Keeping yourself from reaching that point is hard, it's like a running on a tightrope.

It all depends on set and setting.
Your mindset (happy, sad, scared, nervous, excited) and your setting (surroundings).
If you are very happy, with some people who you are very close to, in a great environment (say a field in the countryside in the middle of summer) and on LSD / magic mushrooms then you can be sure to have an amazing time, relaxing in the beauty of nature, holding long conversations about life/the world/the universe and coming away from it feeling closer to your friends and the world. If thats not a rich life then I dont know what is.

People who don't do their research about psychadelics are at the greater risk of getting into a bad trip and maybe causing some damage to themselves because they aren't fully aware of a drugs affect, although saying that, you can't be 100% what its like until you have tried it. It's all about doing your research on how to

Well like i said, usually and some people just do it for shits and giggles :D and yes it does take a lot to control a trip but as you said later on; it all depends on your state of mind to begin with, if your all tense etc then it's not going to go too well and getting in a good mood doesn't really take much effort and it certainly takes less effort than than trying to improve your life or your mental well being.

Obviously there has to be some sort of barrier between a drug user and the rest of the world and other people if they need to use drugs- it is EXACTLY the same as someone needing to get off their face before they can walk over to someone and try and pick them up.

Panto

04-02-2004, 03:12 PM

...it is EXACTLY the same as someone needing to get off their face before they can walk over to someone and try and pick them up.

Heh...It's funny because it's true

leeroy

04-02-2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by cadex
DMT

can be extracted from plants and occurs in the human brain.
is released when you fall asleep to help the transition of consciousness and unconsciousness.

also a theory that it released when you die (near death experiances of a "beautiful tunnel of light" = tripping balls) as well as theories that when DMT is created in a babies brain while in its mothers womb is the moment that your consciousness is created.

ehe i told my dealer bout that and he really wants some, but unfortunately he's relying on me to make it for him as i'm doing chem a-level, as im mashed through most lessons though this is increasingly unlikely.

from all your talking about drugs i'd have expected you (cadex) to have been using them since birth but i guess you learn something everyday.

sack the chimp

04-02-2004, 07:00 PM

Cadex speaks many words of wisdom.

I think the most important bit is educating yourself before you start doing them, thats what I always tried to do.

Government advice is not always the best either, but just talking to mates is probably a much worse idea. The ask frank website seems pretty good, although a little out of touch. It's stuff like the old "take e and you'll die" type stuff.

Risk of death, very low actually, most regular users do it when pissed, it's just about knowing your limits and how to stay balanced. Risk of insanity and depression was never mentioned by the governemnt, I never knew and found out first hand. It's pretty much a certainty for regular users.

Oli

04-02-2004, 07:29 PM

Lol, Piemanmoo! Pluss 1+ for you, Is v funny.:D

Dr_nwa

05-02-2004, 01:12 AM

I spent most of my A level years completely off my tits on several different substances. Now, all i do is smoke cigarettes and drink.
I have seriously fucked up my short term memory from smoking pot and i mean seriously destroyed it. i reguarly find myself wondering why i am doing something, it is amazingly hard going into an exam without doing at least two weeks solid revision beforehand and i often find myself in a place thinking "why the fuck am i here?". One of my best friends from school is now seriously depressed and attributes this to smoking dope.
Yet, for some reason, i have a very liberal attitude to drugs. i do not have a problem with being in a room full of people stoned or pilling, as i find it funny on some level. Even though i have had some very bad experiences during taking drugs, i will not stop someone from taking them, as i feel that it is entirely their own life and i should not be interfering with that.
originally posted by cadex
Just say know.
always know what you are letting yourself into before taking anything. like Dr-E, my first experience of hallucinogenics came from a spike. i accedentally (sp?) handled a piece of blotting paper soaked in LSD. i spent hours in a very bad place. after reading websites like erowid.com and talking to one of my friends who had taken acid several times before, i took LSD again. I also made damm sure i dropped it with my experienced friend. It was an amazingly good trip...
I can only emphasise this point: make sure you know what you are taking and make sure you are always with someone who has done it before. This applies to every illegal drug...
BTW, i did some checking through my biology notes and DMT, or at least a structural analogue, is definately released by the body when you are born and when you die.

Oli

05-02-2004, 04:01 PM

Thing is, too me it sound's like your saying doing Drug's and all that is a good thing, But It's not.

It is bad for your health, And what would your mother say?

Well im not exactly old enough to try yet so i would'nt know but still, Drug's are bad.

Dr_nwa

05-02-2004, 04:13 PM

i wasn't saying that really. i know drugs are bad, thats why i have quit taking most of them. But there will always be people who will experiment with drugs, so it's better to understand whats going on when you take them.

cadex

05-02-2004, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Work?
BTW, i did some checking through my biology notes and DMT, or at least a structural analogue, is definately released by the body when you are born and when you die.

that really interests me.
the fact that a psychadelic drug is released at the two most important moments of your life.

makes ya wonder.
well, it makes me wonder

Dr-Electro

05-02-2004, 06:05 PM

It isn't just a psychadelic. It is also a highly specialized neurotransmitter on the order of endorphins and serotonin.

the natural analog of DMT is released into the neurons in cases of extreme physical trauma. It is one of the naturally occurring drugs that help the body to over come its most stressful traumas, such as birth, death and very serious injuries. It is realeased when the body goes into total shock.

Its synthetic form is a powerful psychadelic and is occasionally used a psychotropic, or mind-enhancing drug for psychotherapy purposes. Dr. says, "Roll up your sleeve." Patient says, "I see more colors that the rainbow has. Woooooo." Then the doctor probes deeply into the patients psyche and all those other hard-to-reach mental places. (probe-poke-rummage)

eleanor

05-02-2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by leeroy
im mashed through most lessons
Don't do this. Seriously do not do this...

In ten or so years, if you've messed your education up in this way and are working in a job you hate, you'll wonder why you spent lessons stoned when you could have been learning and working towards a career you wanted.

I'm impressed by Cadex's having waited until he finished college before tripping - that's some sense and self-control there. + :)

cadex

05-02-2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by eleanor
I'm impressed by Cadex's having waited until he finished college before tripping - that's some sense and self-control there. + :)

I did however eat mushrooms almost daily at one point at college.
ended up walking around college with a friend, getting lost, laughing a hell of a lot, staring at my reflection in the toilet mirror for about 15 minutes and watching the pc monitors in the library ripple and shimmer colours.

I got mostly U's for A levels :(

Got a merit for BTEC :)

sack the chimp

05-02-2004, 06:55 PM

Waiting till your finished college isn't necessarily the best way....things tend to get more serious as you go further along.

Not that it's for everyone, but i did most of my getting smashed when doing a-levels, i think it would have screwed my degree if I was getting fucked all the time, as it would screw a job.

mini_ninja_pir8

06-02-2004, 01:51 AM

when me and ma best friend leave school were gonna do the big O.E for about a year and a half, were coming to the europe area(excluding france) and were gonna do all the u.k countries, plus half of america and japan and half of the continents i know were gonna encounter alot of things, that we have never seen b4, and theres a high chance we'll try some drugs,

if you do drugs, its your life and opinion..

nuff said, quite frankly

NIGHTCOW

06-02-2004, 06:09 PM

I think what some people have said about doing your research before taking a substance i the best way to go about it and allows you to make informed decisions about what you wsnt to take and when.

Several of my friends do a number of different things quite regularly such as weed, acid, shrooms, ecstasy, mdma (pure active ingredient in ecstasy), speed and base speed (uncut). Personally I have never been tempted to try most of these except for the occasional social joint but it's not a big part of my life. I can see what effects these drugs are having on them but to be honest I don't really feel the need to take them as I am always one of the final few to leave/ go to bed and I usually outlast the people whoi have been taking hardcore stimulants.

Also i think it's very important to know where your drugs are coming from (if you choose to take a substance). My friends for instance would never buy from someone they didnt trust or at least know someone who trusted them. Buying things like pills in nightclubs is incredibly dangerous as you never know what they may have been cut with (various toxic chemicals tend to be favoured to bulk them out)

SweetDreams

08-02-2004, 03:10 AM

DMT - Users report visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities, profound changes in ontological perspective, fanciful dreamscapes, frightening and overwhelming forces, complete shifts in perception and identity followed by an abrupt return to baseline.
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i think i like the sound of this drug, and apparently its' really safe... hmmm...

neway, i've tried pot, twice, i'd do it again if someone offered me some, but i don't go out and buy it for myself, i've drink on an occasional weekend at a friends house, and smoke bacco if ne1's got some, but that's all, i know osme of my friends are into herroin and ecstacy, but not heavily, all these thjat i've taken i've been informed about, i knew what i was doing and the possible long term effects, pot can cause schizophrenia i know, that's why i don't do it all the time last time i did it was probably 4 or 5 months ago, i tihnk that if someone knows what they're getting into, and they're not doing it evry day, they shouldn't be judged for it, i myself would never try anything "unnatural" because those sort of things can screw your body up more than things like pot, someone argued that no drugs are "unnatural" just highly processed or sometihng liek that, unnatural drugs are those that have to be mixed with something, heated, cooled down again, heated to this temperature, add this, let it harden, powder it, press it into a tablet. that's unnatural, pot is natural because it's a plant that grows naturally, and when you prepare it for use, the chemical makeup is not altered, DMT is natural because it occurs naturally in the body, lol, neway, that's all i have to say *sleeps*

ieat doom babys

08-02-2004, 03:15 AM

Drugs fuckin rule and yur all gay if you think other wise and if you got sompthing to say say yur breath because right now im soooo fuckin stoned.:twisted:
all the toons on this site are made to trip you out im what do think the piont of the badgers song is what do you think the the maker of it was smoking i mean you all suck and im gonna napalm all of ur houses unless you like drugs

ieat doom babys

08-02-2004, 03:17 AM

ya i bum weed i never buy but its still great and you all still suck

Smeagle

08-02-2004, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by ieat doom babys
Drugs fuckin rule*sigh* and yur all gay:rolleyes: if you think other wise and if you got sompthing to say say yur breath because right now im soooo fuckin stoned.:twisted: Oh dear.
all the toons on this site are made to trip you outwrong im what do think the piont of the badgers song isfor fun what do you think the the maker of it was smokingnothing i mean you all sucktrue and im gonna napalm all of ur houses unless you like drugs k

Carly

08-02-2004, 05:22 AM

I do not care for any drugs but ibuprofen or advil or tylenol or cough syrup (actually, it tastes horrible but I feel better later) or whatever.

I am not in support of making any legal or lowing drinking age. If people want it, they will get it no matter what road they have to take to get it.

Dr-Electro

08-02-2004, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by SweetDreams
DMT - Users report visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities, profound changes in ontological perspective, fanciful dreamscapes, frightening and overwhelming forces, complete shifts in perception and identity followed by an abrupt return to baseline.

:rolleyes: Crrap. I do all that without ever touching any drugs. I AM the frightening and overwhelming force! Come visit my dungeon under the pub and find out for yourself.

Originally posted by ieat doom babys
Drugs fuckin rule and yur all gay if you think other wise and if you got sompthing to say say yur breath because right now im soooo fuckin stoned.

What a lucid post. :rolleyes: Come and get me, pissant.:twisted:

Originally posted by Carly
I do not care for any drugs but ibuprofen or advil or tylenol or cough syrup (actually, it tastes horrible but I feel better later) or whatever.

A refreshing point of view from one so young. Proves that there is diversity in life and I really loved seeing this so close behind that moron ieat doom babys.

leeroy

08-02-2004, 12:11 PM

lol actually when i was a kid i got addicted to calpol, the purple one i drank bottles of that shit, and then the doctor said i had a problem. good days

sweetfloss

08-02-2004, 01:31 PM

[b][font color= "cccc00"][font size="3"]Lol... I used to love calpol too- I used to pretend to be sick to get sum... luckily I grew out of it otherwise, I might have had a problem.

Another thing peeps find addictive is asthma inhalers- people get a high off it, and my mate sells her inhalers for £30!!!!! It just makes me wonder how weird some addictions can be///:rolleyes:

leeroy

08-02-2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by sweetfloss
[BAnother thing peeps find addictive is asthma inhalers- people get a high off it, and my mate sells her inhalers for £30!!!!! It just makes me wonder how weird some addictions can be///:rolleyes: [/B]

i was asthmatic and the inhaler thing only worked if you had like ten puffs in a row, but it was still pretty cool

Carly

08-02-2004, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Dr-Electro
A refreshing point of view from one so young. Proves that there is diversity in life and I really loved seeing this so close behind that moron ieat doom babys.

I'm not that young, Dr. E. (;

As for the rest of you young posters, might I suggest learning the vB Code so your posts make sense? It's hard enough when you can't spell... [/rant]

MUG

08-02-2004, 11:01 PM

I've actually been addicted to a prescription medication. The reason was from addiction. The reason I stopped was because it completely fucked up my life, and I was a very unhappy depressed person.

SweetDreams

10-02-2004, 09:17 AM

a few years ago i was on these drugs for my "severe acne" as the doctor called it, and yeh, i was on that for about 3 years, and when i went off it (it was just to see whether it was gone down or not, which it had) i was really tired all the time, which i assume was soem sort of withdrawal, but it was worth it, coz now i can sunbake, coz the drugs amde my skin burn easily

sack the chimp

10-02-2004, 05:58 PM

If thats the stuff i'm thinking of its been linked with depression, even several suicides.

A mate of mine used to take it, he had to sign forms before he was allowed, saying something about being prepared for bad side effects. Nasty stuff, can't remember what its called.

sack the chimp

10-02-2004, 10:50 PM

Acid works. Your just taking duds otherwise. And ibuprofen doesn't get you high. It'll just destroy your insides (drug overdose, anyone?).

But yes, pot will make you tired.

mr jones

11-02-2004, 01:59 AM

i took drugs because it was an easy way out. i was ver unhappy and just by taking a small pill or snorting a line i was the happiest person ever, i could do what i want, get who i want and really enjoy life.
then i took a step back and saw how i had really fucked stuff up and quit.
a year later and i occasionly dabble, only on special occasions. doing drugs is no differnet to going to you local for a few pints.

Playbus

11-02-2004, 09:49 AM

Posted by I AM SHEEP
acid barely works

Hahahah, trust me, acid does work. You got ripped off.

Oh, and taking lots of ibuprofen won't get you high. It might kill you, and if it makes you pass out then you've probably attained some serious liver and/or kidney damage. I know someone who tried to kill themselves by taking 80 ibuprofen. She lived.....but she can never drink again.....poor lass....

PoofBird

11-02-2004, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Playbus
I know someone who tried to kill themselves by taking 80 ibuprofen. She lived.....but she can never drink again.....poor lass....

that is just dumb...

Playbus

11-02-2004, 10:12 AM

She had a lot of problems.

(I had nothing to do with them though)

squealpiggy

11-02-2004, 10:25 AM

It's still dumb. It wasn't a serious attempt, it was a cry for help attempt. One of my mates from college killed himself. He's dumb too.

Playbus

11-02-2004, 11:31 AM

Posted by squealpiggy
It wasn't a serious attempt, it was a cry for help attempt

Maybe true, she did almost die though. She ended up in a mental institution for 6 months afterwards.

squealpiggy

11-02-2004, 02:41 PM

Suicide attempts really get me riled. Hate the idea of it, I think that it's fucking inconsiderate.

leeroy

11-02-2004, 05:40 PM

someguy jumped the tracks at wimbledon train station man, WHILE I WAS FUCKING WAITING FOR A TRAIN. i dont want to wake up and go to school and see some bastard kill himself, still went to school though but i was bloody late, south west trains dont need anymore delays.

sack the chimp

11-02-2004, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by squealpiggy
It wasn't a serious attempt, it was a cry for help attempt.

I'd say 80 ibuprofen is a pretty serious attempt. I would have thought that'd do it.

Oli

12-02-2004, 09:28 AM

I've got a joke, it is ok,

A bloke wanted to comit suicied Hence he did'nt want to take any risk's.

Therefore he was on a cliff and he hung himself, drunk some poisin, sett him self alight and shot himself in the head, but as he tryed to shot himself he was jumping off the cliff and the bullit hit the rope, then as he landed in the sea, it put the fire out and as it was so cold and it was a shock, he threw up thus the poisin came out.

So he lived, apart from he died of hyper thermia in hospital two week's later.

I no it's not realy about drug's but you can get hooked on drug's so much you want to .......(You know the rest)

I saw a guy jump out on to a train, luckily it was'nt our platform, but i still saw it, It realy is not nice.