They're about to execute Saddam [Archive]

Acid

30-12-2006, 03:53 AM

I still think thats absurd and that noone deserves the death penalty, regardless of what they do in their life. I realise that the atrocities committed in Iraq were sick, and if I was a member of any of the families involved i'd be crying out for his death. But when you condemn a man to death youre stripping him of his human rights and no country should be allowed to do this, not to anyone

And if youre gonna say theirs no lack of volunteers for throwing rocks at him, theirs hardly a lack of volunteers to fight for his beliefs, and the fact that he's just been made a martyr is going to fuel violence and hatred in Iraq.

Overall, completely the wrong idea.

Their wont be a YouTube link, but the Iraqi government does plan to release pictures of the hanging as proof

BBC Report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6218485.stm)
Al Bawaba report (http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/207992)

MONKEY050

30-12-2006, 04:04 AM

I heard he was kicking and screaming like a little girl :p
SADDAM'S A GIRL? :eek:

T-Bear

30-12-2006, 04:23 AM

I still think thats absurd and that noone deserves the death penalty, regardless of what they do in their life.
I'm not quite sure why, but i really do think that Saddam deserved to be executed. Normally, I'm very against the death penalty, (Not 100% sure if guilty, etc.) But i really am glad that he was executed.

The Grim Reaper

30-12-2006, 04:38 AM

lmao at fox news banner:
http://www.foxnews.com

9878 Diggs and counting.
Check out this shot of Digg Swarm about the story. The more little circles, the faster/more people are Digging it:
http://www.mediasplash.net/techblog/uploaded_images/sadam-740852.jpg

Could the topic title also be changed, to something more current?

katt

30-12-2006, 05:00 AM

yuck ...good riddance to bad news.

captain canuck

30-12-2006, 05:34 AM

i do think that fox news banner was kind of in bad taste, and designed in an entirely biased and worrisome fashion. :p

Sloth

30-12-2006, 06:51 AM

saddam who? foxnews what?

T3-X

30-12-2006, 08:05 AM

I can't help but wonder if this will really make things any better.

What's justice if lives are lost in the effort?

LeoZ

30-12-2006, 08:35 AM

yuck ...good riddance to bad news.

hate to be a pessimist but I reckon this is just the beginning.

Drattigan

30-12-2006, 08:41 AM

hate to be a pessimist but I reckon this is just the beginning.

I hope not, but I think I may have to agree with you.

piemastermike

30-12-2006, 10:07 AM

i've kept the same opinion since his sentencing: he's got off the hook.

Harley

30-12-2006, 11:16 AM

I'm totally against any death penalty, but somehow the concept hanging pleases my sadistic human nature.

The Grim Reaper

30-12-2006, 11:16 AM

i've kept the same opinion since his sentencing: he's got off the hook.
What do you mean? His punishment should be worse?
Only torture could be worse.

Tweekish

30-12-2006, 11:26 AM

Fox are showing part of the video, right up until the noose is tightened.

That made me feel a little uncomfortable :(

Luna

30-12-2006, 11:32 AM

He should have been left to rot in jail. That way he can't be seen as much of a matyr for the cause.

Turkey Sandwich

30-12-2006, 11:33 AM

Exactly. Well done for making him a martyr, Iraqi authorities.

*Slow clap*

Tweekish

30-12-2006, 11:37 AM

On the other hand, if they put him in prison for the rest of his life then why wouldnt his supporters try to free him? If you execute him, hes not coming back....

Its a lose-lose situation whatever they decided to do. At least he was convicted and executed by his own people.

Luna

30-12-2006, 11:40 AM

Exactly. Well done for making him a martyr, Iraqi authorities.

*Slow clap*

To be fair, I don't think it will make much of a difference. All it is will be a few days, maybe a couple of weeks of extended violence. I can't seem him being much more than an excuse for attacks after that.

Turkey Sandwich

30-12-2006, 11:47 AM

What I find quite interesting is how the media were surprised by Saddam suddenly saying 'I am willing to die for Iraq'. Of course he's going to try to capitalise in any final way he can.

There are people in the current Iraqi government who need executing a lot more than Saddam did.
Not that I agree with it anyway.

Boyinabox

30-12-2006, 11:54 AM

We should have done it 15 years ago.

terrorbite

30-12-2006, 12:35 PM

Does anyone think there's a chance he's still alive?

Not that I particularly want to, but unless I saw the whole unedited video, I'd be deeply suspicious.

shroomhead

30-12-2006, 12:47 PM

how can anyone film an execution without being a death fetish and a complete bastard??

Smidge91

30-12-2006, 01:04 PM

They're filming it so no conspiracy theories arise. I reckon they'll be tons of people editing the video for humourous purposes soon. It'll be more pupolar than the Zidane headbutt thing.

Skeet

30-12-2006, 01:49 PM

I don't think anyone wants or needs to see a full video of the execution. There is no reason for the Iraqi government to fake his death. I think its clear from the images that Saddam Hussein is definately dead.
I must say I've never shown a liking for this man, but i felt very sorry for him to have to die in such an undignified manner.

Repine

30-12-2006, 02:09 PM

I must say I've never shown a liking for this man, but i felt very sorry for him to have to die in such an undignified manner.

He did kill hundreds of people though, and to me you shouldn't have and human rights left if you've committed murder on such a mass scale.

monkey magic

30-12-2006, 02:16 PM

Try thousands.
I'm glad he's dead. One of the few people in history who have actually deserved death.

Thomp

30-12-2006, 02:31 PM

If he was left in jail, the taxpayer would be paying for his upkeep. If he was hanged, he would be seen as a martyr

Either way you look at it, it's a lose-lose situation.... I'm just glad it's over really, it was really dragged out for a while

Lime Ocean

30-12-2006, 02:39 PM

BlueIncaPilot

30-12-2006, 03:05 PM

Saddam Hussein is dead, now? Right now? He lives no more?

Chilly pepper

30-12-2006, 04:05 PM

Thank god the wanker's history now.
But no-one has any right to take someone's life as punishment. It's wrong, people were given life, and I don't think people should choose to just end someone else's. That's why they made prison, people are alive but hardly have a life, and they aren't capable of commiting more crimes.

Fraek

30-12-2006, 04:13 PM

Saddam Hussein is dead, now? Right now? He lives no more?Precisely. Dead as a bird. A very, very dead bird.

I've been very critical to this sentence and towards the conduction of the trial itself, but I still couldn't help but to smiile when I saw a group of 30-40 or so Iraqis celebrating joyously in central Stockholm, as their shouts (the ones that I could comprehend) were not about Saddam being dead but rather about their hopes for a free Iraq, now that one of their greatest antagonists had been dealt with.

monkey magic

30-12-2006, 04:15 PM

So, instead of letting him rot in a jail cell, alone and pathetic, we instead execute him thereby letting him go out in a blaze of glory and giving the extremists someone to avenge and call a hero.

Nice going guys, nice goingBlaze of glory?
After being found cowering in a hole?
After almost a year of sitting in a jail cell while people discuss, not whether to, but how to kill him?
Then being publically hung, while someone films it so everyone in the Western world can watch and cheer?

Yeah, I'd love to go out like that.

He's not a martyr; even extremists would agree that's a pathetic end to any life. Plus the war stopped being about Saddam as soon as 'they' found him right? It's more 'leave our country alone now please.' 'No! Shan't!'

Lime Ocean

30-12-2006, 04:31 PM

What I'm saying is that for a while he was out of sight, jailed up and kinda forgotten about after being found cowering in a hole. Thats where it should have ended, he wouldnt have survived for long if they kept him jailed and that would have been the last of him.

I MAY be wrong, I dont claim to be an expert or anything like that, but I think the whole public execution thing gives him a degree of martyrdom. "Blaze of glory" was probably not the right way of putting it, but the fact is, a public execution gives extremists more ammunition for hate.

Or at least thats how I see it

basstard

30-12-2006, 04:32 PM

Fox are showing part of the video, right up until the noose is tightened.

That made me feel a little uncomfortable :(

I think it is the subliminal "George Bush Is God" messages on Fox that make you uncomfortable.

how can anyone film an execution without being a death fetish and a complete bastard??

According to the Times : "It will be videotaped as an historical record. A photo of the corpse will be released."

This seems like a reasonable precaution to stop all the conspiracy theories. It's not like they're going to film it and shove it up on Youtube, after all.

As for killing him, I'm still of the opinion it causes more trouble than it was worth. However, I can understand why the Iraqi court chose to hang him, and I can understand why it was the Iraqis that tried him, as opposed to the UN. I just don't have to agree with the outcome.

Skeet

30-12-2006, 05:04 PM

Whats funny is I don't feel any more secure and safe than I did before now he's dead, there is a sense of relief though that at least some people in the world are willing to get rid of the scum who pose a threat to us. But they should have just kept him locked up.
Edit: I'm not implying that Saddam Hussein specificly was a threat to us in the west, because it's quite clear he wasn't, but he had thousands of people put to their death.

UMIST_For_Ever

30-12-2006, 05:06 PM

I still think that death was too good for him, he ordered the torture of people and executed many people in Iraq.

By acting in the way he did, he revoked his human rights and to be perfectly honest, he should have been tortured himself - a punishment befitting the crime.

He had protested against the fact he was going to be hanged - he said that only criminals get hung and that he wasn't a criminal. He demanded to be shot instead.

Take solace in the fact that he was quiet when being taken to the gallows and was very muted, even in his final requests.

Timmeh

30-12-2006, 05:13 PM

Preasure

30-12-2006, 05:29 PM

Good riddance to bad rubbish if you ask me, if he'd still lived, he'd have served as something to continue the fight for, with him dead, there's no way he can be freed, nor is it possible for extremists to continue the fight in his name. Not that I'm saying they'll give up, but having your leader killed must strike a massive blow.
Not if they consider him a martyr. Just because he is dead doesn't mean they can't use him as a figurehead and fight in his name. They can always fight to avenge his death, and probably will. People will keep dying, no matter what they did and have done.

UMIST_For_Ever

30-12-2006, 05:54 PM

Anyone who thinks Saddam should be tortured is blatantly as bad as him themselves. I mean seriously, what a fantastic idea, an eye for an eye, what he did was evil, so lets do exactly the same thing back to him, really re-enforce the message of how wrong what he was doing was by doing exactly the same back... that's not a hypocritical viewpoint in the slightest of course.

Yes, an eye for an eye may make the world blind but his death (in either being shot or hanged) has made him appear a Martyr.

Leaving him in a jail will only drain the taxpayer, allow insurgents (or even bribed prison guards) to release him if they wished to get him back out (I am sure that you are very aware of the division of Muslims out there) and he is liable to be treated nicely - and by nicely, I mean that he will have every whim catered for; good food, toiletries and consumables - the kind of thing that ordinary prisoners have no access to.

Maybe he should have been sent to Guantanamo Bay but can you see the problem faced here?

You put him in a prison and he gets treated differently which would be pointless to send him there to "think about what he has done" because it simply wouldn't work and he would risk being released by force...

Kill him in an execution be it by firing squad or hanging and he will appear a martyr.

My point was that perhaps making him feel pain akin to that he inflicted on others may make him search inside himself and at least begin to realise what he has done and how it feels to be tortured rather than the torturer.

Cactusman

30-12-2006, 06:05 PM

I'm watching the news now and it's showing the steps up to Saddam's execution. It didn't actually show the execution, but then again, they can't.

Tiode

30-12-2006, 06:25 PM

" We took him to the gallows and he was saying some few slogans. He was very, very, very, broken "

JustEileen

30-12-2006, 10:17 PM

bionic sheep

30-12-2006, 10:31 PM

He killed people! Killing people is bad!

For the crime of killing people, he shall be put to death!

Fraek

30-12-2006, 10:37 PM

There are some sentient life forms that don't deserve to go on living.There are also sentient life forms for whom death is not sufficient punishment. This isn't an eye for an eye, but rather an eye for a dump truck carrying a few tons of eyes for export. Besides, if he still has any belief in the after-life, he still had one eye left.

The Grim Reaper

30-12-2006, 10:51 PM

Did someone say Video link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521)? Original WMV File (http://www.anwarweb.net/saddamdown.wmv)

I haven't seen it all, just parts of it to see if its the real thing.
Appears to be.
"Just to let people know, you actually do see him hang here. [This video shows him hanging from the noose for a few seconds.]... Just in case you may not want to watch it, this is a warning since it is a little graphic."

Boyinabox

31-12-2006, 12:17 AM

Terrible camera man, he can barely hold it still. But is it truely genuine, and if so how did it get onto the web so quickly?

UMIST_For_Ever

31-12-2006, 12:19 AM

Bluetooth module and extraction software

OR;

Cable & extraction software.

Ben Stiller

31-12-2006, 12:22 AM

That camera man really sucks.... Looks pretty real to me, though.

Seriously though, what a stupid fucking idea, this will only make things worse.

I heard on the news earlier that 61 people have been killed as a result since he was hung this morning. (if I heard correctly...)

Boyinabox

31-12-2006, 12:26 AM

61 people dead is just a standard day in Iraq. We probably won't know what effect this has on the levels of violence until a month or two until it finally fades from the short term memory of the iraqi people.

Acid

31-12-2006, 12:27 AM

Let me ask you this: if the Allies had captured Hitler in his bunker, before he committed suicide, do you think they should have kept him alive or put him to death?
Think about that.
There are some sentient life forms that don't deserve to go on living.

Simply put, yeah, they should have kept him alive. I know alot of people will disagree with my view but regardless of what a person does, the state has no right to take away that persons life legally.

Dude

31-12-2006, 01:15 AM

I personally believe that nobody should be exicuted no matter what their crimes. Just put yourself in their shoes, a whole load of people want you dead and you want to carry on living, it's a horrible thought.
Same applies with saddam, he should've just been locked up and have the key thrown away at the most.

katt

31-12-2006, 04:19 AM

i think the fact he is dead is a good thing. dead people can never be freed from jail and kill people ever again.

I don't believe in killing people like saddam for revenge so much as for the fact its eliminating a rotten apple from the barrel. permanently.

i am sure alot of iraqi people got some closure from knowing he is gone. can you imagine putting up with a leader with his statue on every street corner for so long? out of control ego and complete power over you? I would have hated him with an undying passion if i had lived in iraq

captain canuck

31-12-2006, 06:40 AM

i am sure alot of iraqi people got some closure from knowing he is gone. apparently a large number of kurdish americans (and canadians) who left iraq because of him think quite the opposite...

this is not closure; rather it means he escaped proper and prolonged punishment, and will continue to have escaped it perpetually.

katt

31-12-2006, 07:06 AM

i read stories in the news about former iraqis out in minnesota celebrating his hanging.

i'd say death is a pretty good closure in the sense it eliminates the possibility he can ever strike again

what sort of punishment would he get otherwise? torture? too barbaric. supported to sit idle behind bars and occasionally make controversial comments?

and being hung isnt exactly escaping punishment (and yes i realize that could be interpreted two ways :P)

Jay

31-12-2006, 07:23 AM

i think the fact he is dead is a good thing. dead people can never be freed from jail and kill people ever again. One word. Zombies.

On and um..yeah..one moustashe down.

Turkey Sandwich

31-12-2006, 01:20 PM

He's not a martyr; even extremists would agree that's a pathetic end to any life.

I'm not so sure about that. Not only can they make heroism out of any action, but also it was at least relatively calm and dignified. It could have been worse.

Although no, I wouldn't call it a blaze of glory either.

matt bird

31-12-2006, 03:28 PM

SO DAMN INSANE

Destrukto

31-12-2006, 03:34 PM

Aaaaaaand yes, the full vid (made on a mobile) of the execution has been leaked onto the internet. :|

I won't post a public link, but I have it for the morbidly curious...

Judging from the words they actually *we're* taunting and ridiculing him, which is probably why the official vid from the Iraqi government was soundless...

edit: i see i was beaten to it by someone else in the thread :(

Evil Sperm

31-12-2006, 04:06 PM

if saddam gets tried convicted and hanged for the killing of 148 people we should consider hundreds of thousands dead due to a botched occupation a crime against humanity too.

saddam's death is not justification for the war in any way. you savage motherfuckers.

Arnuma

31-12-2006, 07:40 PM

Has anyone else seen this
Saddam Look Alike Hung Instead (http://newsbiscuit.com/article/saddam-look-alike-said-real-saddam-had-promised-to-come-forward-at-the-end)
and yes I know its fake

Skeet

01-01-2007, 06:15 PM

Let me ask you this: if the Allies had captured Hitler in his bunker, before he committed suicide, do you think they should have kept him alive or put him to death?
Think about that.
There are some sentient life forms that don't deserve to go on living.
Have you not seen Family Guy? Hitler was going to be a gay austrian chat show host, this would suit my viewing pleasures considerably, and I'm sure once he'd been given 60 years or so people would forget about his terrible atrocities and remember him for the good things he gave society, like his art.. and.. p.e. lessons..

faragher

02-01-2007, 10:42 AM

What a fuck up. We take a man who many considered their finest leader, give him a trial under a judge who can't control his court, prevent the defence from presenting all evidence and then execute him.

I have no doubt that he is guilty, but someone once said:

"justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done. "

Unfortunately, this has not been the case here. Saddam should have been tried by an international court under the war crimes laws. It should have been seen by the world that it was an impartial and properly conducted trial. This trial, and his surf execution, leaves too much 'wiggle-room' for his defenders.

We've got this one wrong.

Fee

02-01-2007, 11:43 AM

The man was not a martyr, its better to have died that way. If he had been in prison he'd probably have done something stupid like hunger strike. That would have raised him up in the eyes of the people. It's not a question of giving justice no matter what they say, It's just about eliminating this threat, and stopping him for good.

Purple Wabbit

02-01-2007, 12:19 PM

I'm sorry. but I have never been able to agree that the death penalty is an acceptable form of punishment.

I understand about things like it means we don't have to pay for the accomodation of prisoners and it eliminates the threat and it's what they deserve, etc etc. BUT however many times I hear these arguments, and I admit they are good ones, I still cannot accept the idea that it's justifiable to punish someone for the awful act of murder by murdering them.

I know Saddam was a terrible dictator and he killed and tortured thousands of innocent people. And I agree he should be punished. But I don't believe he should have been killed. How does that make us any better than him, if we take life as punishment for taking life?

I just don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile myself with that idea.

KeirAyres

02-01-2007, 02:11 PM

I still cannot accept the idea that it's justifiable to punish someone for the awful act of murder by murdering them.

Do you feel the same about punishing a kidnapper with state kidnapping?

Purple Wabbit

02-01-2007, 06:12 PM

Do you feel the same about punishing a kidnapper with state kidnapping?

State kidnapping?

Mr stabby

02-01-2007, 06:48 PM

State kidnapping?

Being jailed (taken somewhere, usually against the criminals will)

Asterisk

02-01-2007, 07:12 PM

Never mind I got -Rep for this post, so I'm taking it down >_>

Mr stabby

02-01-2007, 07:15 PM

I loved saddam. they executed him those bastards.

Are you just trying to be funny? Or is that a genuine opinion?

Asterisk

02-01-2007, 07:17 PM

well I was trying to be funny, but apparently I failed. so I took it down.

Purple Wabbit

03-01-2007, 12:00 PM

Being jailed (taken somewhere, usually against the criminals will)

It's really not the same thing at all.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 12:03 PM

It's really not the same thing at all.

Do you mean that I interpreted what "state kidnapping" meant was wrong, or that the idea is wrong?

** Statement retracted, said in the heat of a moment. **

edit - I said that without thinking, maybe torture was a bit too far, but he should have been punished more than a quick snap of the neck.

Purple Wabbit

03-01-2007, 12:05 PM

I can see how someone would make that comparison, but I don't agree that jailing someone is comparable with kidnapping.

Destrukto

03-01-2007, 12:08 PM

I personally think that Saddam should have been tortured.

That is one of the single most despicable things I've read on the forums for a while.
Thank god you aren't in any position to work with people who did horrible things and there are people with cooler heads working in most jails...

KeirAyres

03-01-2007, 12:09 PM

I can see how someone would make that comparison, but I don't agree that jailing someone is comparable with kidnapping.

And I don't agree that executing someone under law is comparable with murdering them.

Purple Wabbit

03-01-2007, 12:12 PM

That is one of the single most despicable things I've read on the forums for a while.
Thank god you aren't in any position to work with people who did horrible things and there are people with cooler heads working in most jails...

QFT tbh. Someone close to me advocated torture for Saddam and I just couldn't believe they could say it - regardless of whether they deserve it or not, surely you'd have to be completely without a heart to cause that kind of pain to someone.

And I don't agree that executing someone under law is comparable with murdering them.

Fair enough. I guess we'll have to agree to differ on that point then. I just don't see any justification in the taking of any life, no matter what someone may have done to deserve it. I realise not everyone shares my opinion, and i don't expect them to.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 12:12 PM

That is one of the single most despicable things I've read on the forums for a while.
Thank god you aren't in any position to work with people who did horrible things and there are people with cooler heads working in most jails...

I can see why you think its such a bad thing, and I wouldn't be able to do it myself, I just think what he did was deserving more punishment than the easy way out of hanging.
Maybe torture is a little too far, but something close to that in the scale of punishment. Torture was just the most extreme thing I could think of at the time.

Destrukto

03-01-2007, 12:18 PM

I can see why you think its such a bad thing, and I wouldn't be able to do it myself, I just think what he did was deserving more punishment than the easy way out of hanging.
Maybe torture is a little too far, but something close to that in the scale of punishment. Torture was just the most extreme thing I could think of at the time.

I don't just *think* it's a bad thing, we have this piece of paper called the Univeral Human Rights. It protects YOU from being tortured, too. The price you have to pay for that is the consequence that it goes for ALL humans, otherwise the whole thing falls down. That's democracy, I'm afraid. Sometimes inconvenient if you are upset, but the basis for basic human decency.
Also, there is no proof he got off easily. Many people in this world would believe he went to Hell, and there is no way to prove he didn't. Just that I don't believe in it, doesn't mean it doens't exist.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 12:23 PM

You raise a good point Destrukto, if (heres hoping) heaven and hell do exist, then Saddam going to hell would be most fitting.
Looks like I put my foot in it a few minutes ago, I'm angry at what the guy did to the family of someone I work with, so thats why I want him to suffer immensely. But I shouldn't have said torture, that was wrong.

UMIST_For_Ever

03-01-2007, 12:26 PM

I don't just *think* it's a bad thing, we have this piece of paper called the Univeral Human Rights. It protects YOU from being tortured, too. The price you have to pay for that is the consequence that it goes for ALL humans, otherwise the whole thing falls down. That's democracy, I'm afraid. Sometimes inconvenient if you are upset, but the basis for basic human decency.
Also, there is no proof he got off easily. Many people in this world would believe he went to Hell, and there is no way to prove he didn't. Just that I don't believe in it, doesn't mean it doens't exist.

But Destrukto, if you watched the leaked video rather than the official one, you will have realised that Saddam was still defiant even to the end and thought he had done no wrong.

Would it not have been better to utilise a method to get through to him about the impact he made on the survivors of his attacks or even the sheer scale of his campaign?

Destrukto

03-01-2007, 12:33 PM

Would it not have been better to utilise a method to get through to him about the impact he made on the survivors of his attacks or even the sheer scale of his campaign?

There are, I believe, no recorded instances of true repen tances other than sheer and utter fear recorded through the use of torture. The Spanish Inquisition is adequate proof of that. Torture just garantuees the person in question pays lip-service to the repen tance, but in the back of their heads still will continue to adhere to their original beliefs.
Saddam probably truly believed that what he did was for the best. Those kinds of convictions ca't be broken through torture. The only thing you can achieve by torture is the total annihalation of someones spirit.

If that really is what you want, I think you need a good lesson in basic ethics.

edit: sodding wordfilters

UMIST_For_Ever

03-01-2007, 12:38 PM

I had ethics lessons in 6th form.

My point is he did torture people and maybe an eye for an eye makes the world blind but it may have been worth it.

Then again, it may have been better to take him into some sort of regression therapy because people can then actually realise things whilst in the regressional state.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 12:39 PM

So what do you think was the best method of punishment for Saddam, Destrukto? Is there any way he could have been shown the error of his ways before his execution?

Destrukto

03-01-2007, 01:06 PM

So what do you think was the best method of punishment for Saddam, Destrukto? Is there any way he could have been shown the error of his ways before his execution?

No, I don't think there was any way of him repenting.
As people have already pointed out, this was really a lose-lose situation.
From an ethical point of view I would have been for life imprisonment and the chance of some form of personal rehabilitation. (no chance for appeal though).

I realise that punishing serves a purpose from the "revenge" perspective, but it never sits well, even though it is what a society needs to to do keep working.

But in the end, I don't think that Saddam ever would have been rehabilitated. This was all part of his personality and probably too deeply rooted to ever change.

Sebas

03-01-2007, 01:09 PM

No, I don't think there was any way of him rip off my head and vomit down my sorry assed necking.
Converting, is what Des was trying to say here.

I have to say, Saddam deserved it. I'm not really a great supporter of the death penalty, but you've got to have some kind of absolute punishment for those who deserve it, and Saddam deserved it without a doubt.

faragher

03-01-2007, 01:11 PM

So what do you think was the best method of punishment for Saddam, Destrukto? Is there any way he could have been shown the error of his ways before his execution?The best method of punishing him would be to let him of in a jail for the rest of his life.

There is no reason to rehabilitate him.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 01:20 PM

Sebas

03-01-2007, 01:21 PM

The reason I was thinking to rehabilitate him is so that he can understand the sheer massiveness of his crimes and how dreadful they were, so he should feel some guilt for what he did, as opposed to dying a "proud" man.
To what point and reason? He can't change anything he did, he'd just live with the guilt for a couple of years and then die, considering he was already 70 or so.

Mr stabby

03-01-2007, 01:22 PM

Personally I absolutely hate feeling guilt, it drives me mental, so that would be a little extra punishment. But maybe I'm commenting on things I don't fully understand.

Purple Wabbit

03-01-2007, 10:16 PM

To be honest, if you can do the things Saddam did in the first place, there's not much chance of you reforming and realising how wrong you were. Anyone capable of seeing the ethical wrongs of such deeds would not do them in the first place, imo anyway.

I admit I can't think of a fate for Saddam that would have made him see the error of his ways. However, I still stand by my view that execution should not be a legal punishment.

Harley

03-01-2007, 11:05 PM

To what point and reason? He can't change anything he did, he'd just live with the guilt for a couple of years and then die, considering he was already 70 or so.

He didn't quite reach that, that's one reason they rushed the trial, you can't cast death penalty on man over 70 years old in Iraq.