Debate the debate guide

[pipedreams]

LOL

Doesn’t any body think its ironic you can not debate in the debate guide given as a sticky – well I did.

I’m a newbee so I can be excused if am stepping on toes here. If done b4 please point to or link it.

Why is the example given on Spy Kids not a debate, just because its not on war, politics history etc doesn’t mean to say it can not be a debate? Please explain, discuss or debate.

This is what is said.

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does anyone in the world like the movie "spy kids" cos i hate it and for some reason there making more of them

they must be making them for somebody

who?
??????????????
________

He states a fact: “They must be making it for somebody”
He states a point of view: “I hate it”
He calls for response: “does anyone in the world like the movie”


These are 3 reasons given for a debate.

I know the problem here is that its hard to debate when someone is telling you something is shite, but then you have to think of ways of debating why or why not, no?


But in whole I do agree with what is said there. I was more hoping that is was a guide to personnal actacks etc, but it seems to be more a take your childish views somewhere else.

No offence Destructo? Just looking to debate.

"Debates
Fiesty Discussion and debating. Fair to high chance of flaming but remember all views are valid."

[squealpiggy]

Do you really think that basically a rant about the movie Spy Kidz is suited to a forum which includes debates on the existence of God, homosexuality, censorship, Israel and Palestine and the Vietnam war? It doesn't fit the theme of the forum terribly well really.

[pipedreams]

Yes, agreed and my sentiments exactly. However, I do not feel it is right to acuse someone of not knowing how to debate just because you do not like what they are debating.

Its unjustifed slander. Especially when the no re-pie box isnt present to let all spy kid lovers debate thier point.

Like I said ironic dont you think...Wheres the debate in it?

To quote myself "but it seems to be more a take your childish views somewhere else."

[squealpiggy]

It wasn't intended to be a debate. The person was not expecting a bunch of spy kid fans to say "How can you say that, it's my favourite movie!?". The originator wanted everyone to say "Yes you're right, it really sucks, who could want to watch such a film". It was moved because it wasn't a debate. And no you can't debate the "Do you know what a debate is" thread because it is more instructional than debateable.

[pipedreams]

I think I proove you wrong in that we can debate it :D

The originator wanted everyone to say "Yes you're right, it really sucks,

Now this is why I brought this up, it should be open to debate, but Im sure if someone did start a debate of this type here, they wouldnt last long, no?

Just trying to get a feel for the board.

His instructions are biased and the are not followed even by the poster. Just thought I would bring this to your attention.



To quote myself "I’m a newbee so I can be excused if am stepping on toes here."

[Rogue]

most people go out of their way to avoid exposure to anything related to 'spy kids'

why would they want to debate about it?

debating about whether a movie is good or not is like a broken pencil:

pointless!

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by pipedreams


To quote myself "I’m a newbee so I can be excused if am stepping on toes here."

Er no. Not really. I have been using the internet for nearly ten years and in all that time I have never pissed off a community on the internet, no matter how new I was. If you step on toes it is either deliberate or through carelessness.

But I don't think you have proven me wrong. Talking about Spy Kids is a weak subject for debate. End of.

[eleanor]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
Er no. Not really. I have been using the internet for nearly ten years and in all that time I have never pissed off a community on the internet, no matter how new I was.
Exactly. I stick to the view that there are those who are natural "n00bs" (i.e. text speak, poor spelling, topics like this, posting before they read or think) and natural "newbies" (i.e. those who quickly settle into a forum, are thoughtful, and take care to post with respect to the context of what they are saying.)

[pipedreams]

Firstly – Sorry for using the newbee card, that’s OT and forgotten now – Im open to insult. Secondly, you seem to swaying OT by referring to Spy Kids, I couldn’t care less about this (movie is it)? But I would be open to debate it so long as original poster of Spy Kids was.

My main point was that the poster of the guides doesn’t follow the debate rules, example given is wrong and slander to people with other ideas.
Debate should be open to all subjects, as the welcoming message says…

"Debates
Fiesty Discussion and debating. Fair to high chance of flaming but remember all views are valid."

I know you are trying to discourage this for a reason (hence newbee card), maybe you do get overly childish views in here, Im just trying to pick at that a bit deeper?

Thanks...

[Dr-Electro]

Originally posted by pipedreams
LOL

Doesn’t any body think its ironic you can not debate in the debate guide given as a sticky – well I did.

I’m a newbee so I can be excused if am stepping on toes here. If done b4 please point to or link it.

Why is the example given on Spy Kids not a debate, just because its not on war, politics history etc doesn’t mean to say it can not be a debate? Please explain, discuss or debate.

This is what is said.

_______
does anyone in the world like the movie "spy kids" cos i hate it and for some reason there making more of them

they must be making them for somebody

who?
??????????????
________

He states a fact: “They must be making it for somebody”
He states a point of view: “I hate it”
He calls for response: “does anyone in the world like the movie”


These are 3 reasons given for a debate.

I know the problem here is that its hard to debate when someone is telling you something is shite, but then you have to think of ways of debating why or why not, no?


But in whole I do agree with what is said there. I was more hoping that is was a guide to personnal actacks etc, but it seems to be more a take your childish views somewhere else.

No offence Destructo? Just looking to debate.

"Debates
Fiesty Discussion and debating. Fair to high chance of flaming but remember all views are valid."

This nets a great, "HARRUMPH!!!!!" from the dragon and moderator of debates! I never stoop to OMFG STFU n00b! but I do attempt to straighten out kinked brains on occasion.

1. Spell Destrukto's forum name correctly. It is right there in plain sight for you to copy if you forget to capitalize the D and use K in place of C. Never allow this to happen again.

2. Those stcky notes at the top of Debates are not debate threads, they are ultimatums from the gods of debate. Argue at your own peril!

3. The example (Spy Kids Movies) is exactly that: An EXAMPLE! Continue your education until you are quite sure what an example is. Don't become an example yourself, like a few of your predecessors have.

4. If you wish to debate Spy Kids Moves, by all means start a Spy Kids Movies debate thread. However, if it is Pap or Cheese, it will wind up where it belongs.

5. REread the instructions in those stucked threads (both of them) and when come back bring debate. This is quite the cheese you have posted here.

6. Never again misspell Destrukto's forum name. When in doubt, return to point number 1.

Maybe we can salvage this nonsense and make a debate out of it, but I am vey doubtful of the outcome.

We will now entertain thoughtful and philosophical responses to pipedreams's original post, as quoted at the top of this reply. Go team!

[Father Mahoo hoo shaboo]

I think the kid has a point.

Bravo

[Dr-Electro]

Did I hear a voice from above? Yes! I did. Okay, so make Spy Kids a debate topic and see if it flies. But no debating within the locked sticky instruction messages. OK?

*passes the collection plate, drops in a rupie*

[pipedreams]

Thanks Father...kid - lol.

My point seems to be missed.
I wasnt saying Spy Kids is a good topic, just that it is a topic.

But my point was that the debate guide is fraudulent.

It would be OK to make it a non debatable topic if it was rules and not an idea. And also, he/she could at least follow his own guide given, no?


Like I said, its like stating what you can and can not debate, not a guide to debating.

The originator wanted everyone to say "Yes you're right, it really sucks,

This reply cracks me up.

[squealpiggy]

Why does it crack you up? It's just one form of the "The nazis were really horrid" type debate designed to gain approval from others, not to actually be debated. Saying "Spy kids really sucks" is hardly expecting the Spy Kids fans to debate against them. You're not going to change people's opinons on the movie because nobody is really interested in watching the movie.

[pipedreams]

You still seem to think that I am trying to back Spy Kids up, I am not. I will not reply to anyone else who has this opinion as this was example given in guides, thats all?

All I'm saying is that the debate guide is slightly flawed.

No problem, if thats what you have to do do scare the kids out of here, thats what you got to do?

If not, for what reason does it serve to suggest these guidelines in such a slanderous way?

[squealpiggy]

No I'm not sying that you are defending spy kids, that's really the crux of what I am trying to get across: Noone would defend it, hence it was not intended as a debate. That's why it was cited as an example of poor debates. Here's another example:

I hate nazis, do you?

Noone will defend nazis hence it isn't a debate, it is an attempt to gain popularity by sharing the same opinon as everyone else.

So there!

[pipedreams]

I gaurentee you someone will defend nazi's, maybe not on here, but someone would.

Thats a better point you make with..

it is an attempt to gain popularity by sharing the same opinon as everyone else

...thats the sort of thing I was digging at.

Cheers, and still no offence intended with mocking the guide. Just digging.

[squealpiggy]

Dig dig dig!

No offence taken, ever. I'm pretty thick skinned!

[Rogue]

Originally posted by squealpiggy


Noone will defend nazis hence it isn't a debate,

Don't kid yourself: some people would. People still try and defend stalin as well! (Although that is much more acceptable for some reason (*cough cough* communist wet dreams) even though he brought about twice the number of deaths hitler did).

[PoofBird]

main difference between stalin and hitler is:

hitler made and implemented a system that was rotten in the core.
stalin corrupted a system by exploiting and twisting ideals of a utopia.

people who defend Stalin are often blinded by their vision of Utopia and their ideals of equality.
people who defend Hitler are blinded by hatred.

and:

about why Spy Kids isn´t a debate.

It´s because you don´t give any arguments to back up your opinion with.
To have a debate, you must explain to us why you hate the film.
We need to know that, so we can properly attack your point of view (in a sportive manner, of course), and explain why we like the film.
Otherwise we´d just be agreeing or disagreeing with eachother.

above, Rogue implied that there isn´t much difference between Hitler and Stalin, and explained why she thinks that.
I disagreed, and explained how I saw the matter.
I may still be totally off, but provided Rogue with a couple of points on which she may attack me.

[elbillingino]

Originally posted by squealpiggy
No I'm not sying that you are defending spy kids, that's really the crux of what I am trying to get across: Noone would defend it, hence it was not intended as a debate. That's why it was cited as an example of poor debates. Here's another example:

I hate nazis, do you?

Noone will defend nazis hence it isn't a debate, it is an attempt to gain popularity by sharing the same opinon as everyone else.

So there!

I'll play Devil's Advocate and defend the Nazis if you like.

[Dr-Electro]

Are the Spy Kids closer to Stalin or the Nazis? What's your opinion of cannibalism vs. veganism? Which question fits the guidelines?

Good points, Poofbird. You have a way with words.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by PoofBird
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above, Rogue implied that there isn´t much difference between Hitler and Stalin, and explained why she thinks that.
I disagreed, and explained how I saw the matter.




I never said that there was not much difference between hitler and stalin. I said that people still try and defend both of them.

I then commented that it is more common and accepted for people to try and defend stalin because of a lingering refusal to accept the failure of applied communism,. (communist wet dreams)

I'll admit i did say this in a rather round-about way which is probably why you got confused.

I may still be totally off, but provided Rogue with a couple of points on which she may attack me.

LOL. attack? I dont want to attack anyone. just refute,.

[PoofBird]

Originally posted by Rogue

LOL. attack? I dont want to attack anyone. just refute,.
I know. I like the word attack, but of course in a sportive manner.

[Rogue]

sportive like american gladiators?:rolleyes:

[Pod]

"attack" is the correct term in a debate. Don't bother reading into its meaning, remember; adebate is simply a civil argument.