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scram
09-05-2007, 09:35 PM
Back in the day, when Chelsea tickets were affordable (no, really, ten years ago you could walk away with a pair of tickets with both your arm and your leg still in your possession) and my Dad and I used to see several games throughout the season, my life as a football fan was really kicking off. I loved the atmosphere that you got at the Bridge - it was like watching football with all the dials set to 11: emotion, humour, noise, colour, intensity. It was great. One of the things I also loved (being an early teenager and still giggling at piss and fart jokes... actually that hasn't changed much... but anyway...) was the chants that would spring up around the stadium. In those days, the Chelsea fans were even more vocal than they are now and you'd often leave the stadium hoarse from 90 minutes of non-stop singing. I loved it. One of the chants which I remember from those first few years concerned a referee who still referees now. If I recall it went like this:

"Oh Graham Poll, You're a fucking arsehole, you're a fucking arsehole, you're a fucking arsehole."

I happily sang along, enjoying the fact that I could yell profanity beside my father without repercussion, but it was years before I really thought to myself, "Hold on, we had, and still have, a valid point."

Through years of continued work, Poll has worked himself up to the heights of being the FA's "top" referee. He's represented the country in two World Cups and one Euro Tournament and continues to be handpicked for the "big" games - tonight's game between Manchester United and Chelsea being a prime example (don't forget that he was picked before the game effectively became meaningless in terms of the Championship race). But the question I keep asking myself is why.

He made a wonderful example of himself in the last World Cup in the Croatia v Australia match (3 yellows?) and showed how dreadful he is at keeping control of a game. This game was textbook Poll - it seems that his idea of controlling a testy situation is to march in there with a patronising look and dish out unnecessary fouls and cautions left right and centre. As that particular game shows, this style of refereeing only exacerbates a heated situation and, in some extreme cases, can get completely out of control.

You only have to look at the man when he's refereeing to see why people dislike him. He exhibits a flagrant disrespect for players on the pitch. Instead of talking to them as equals or engaging them in reasonable conversation to diffuse a situation you will more often than not see him rolling his eyes, make a "chat chat chat" gesture with his hands and eventually produce a card to a player who is understandably getting frustrated.

It's a fact of life, one which I have learned in the working world too, that if you feel patronised and disrespected then you will consequently feel angry and agitated at having to bow to that person's authority. Poll's attitude on the pitch and his enjoyment of the power he wields practically ensures that any game he referees, which would already have the potential to get tense (i.e. local derbies or grudge matches), ends up with a couple of red cards, a lot of angry players and a feeling of resent from the spectators. That being the case, why does he keep getting these games when he clearly doesn't have the ability to control them?

The sad fact is, that I think he enjoys the controversy. It reaffirms the power that he has and the knowledge that he rarely has to answer to anyone. He must have some friends in some high places.

I've left a poll (how could I not!?) for you to express your opinions. However, I would also like to see what the rest of you think about him.

Unfortunately now I can't afford the price of a ticket to Stamford Bridge and have to catch the action at home. I still enjoy the game and love listening to the chants from the stands. However, it was a chant which came up from the United fans which caught my ear tonight and made me smile:

"You're not fit, you're not fit, you're not fit to referee! You're not fit to referee!"

There's a first time for everything, lads. But for once, I'm with you.

Smokey
10-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Referees are under a lot of pressure and there aren't many people in the country who can keep up with the pace of the Premiership. The FA aren't stupid. They wouldn't have him represent English referees at the World Cup if he wasn't the best. It's no wonder why there are a lack of officials in pub leagues. It's a thankless task.

Compare him to Uriah Rennie and then decide how good he is rather than simply deciding he's crap cos he gave a penalty against you in the last game or sent off your captain.

Paul12345
10-05-2007, 12:32 AM
Compare him to Uriah Rennie and then decide how good he is rather than simply deciding he's crap cos he gave a penalty against you in the last game or sent off your captain.
What? That isn't what Scram said at all. I think even Poll's mum would say it was a huge gaffe to book the same player 3 times before sending him off.

Having said that I do agree with you that being a referee cannot be easy as you are always gonna be someone's villain much like Parking wardens are.
Probably on the whole Poll is a decent ref but he has made a few slip ups and when those slip ups are at the highest level you are bound to face criticism.
I'd also say that whilst I do think Poll at the very least does a competent job on the whole, NOBODY should make a mistake as big as he did at the World Cup, to make that mistake and remain refereeing at such a high level (yes, he's given up refereeing international tournaments but still does the Premiership, Champions League, UEFA Cup and international friendlies\qualifiers) is shocking. It's the sort of basic error you wouldn't expect of a pub league referee, never mind the Nations representative at the biggest international football competition on the planet.

End of the day, he's human like the rest of us and makes mistakes, he probably does get some unfair flack but it's to be expected. If I fuck up big style at work I expect to get bollocked by my boss and\or ridiculed by my colleagues and so should he.

EDIT: In answer to the poll, I suppose we need a 3rd option really, I'd say he does a good job in general but he is by no means a fantastic, infallible referee.

scram
10-05-2007, 06:08 AM
Compare him to Uriah Rennie and then decide how good he is rather than simply deciding he's crap cos he gave a penalty against you in the last game or sent off your captain.

What a surprise - mention you're a Chelsea fan and some genius will make grand assumptions about the reason you have an opinion, usually based on the thought that it must be about some grudge.

If you actually read my post you would see that the reason I think he is crap is nothing to do with a single refereeing performance (which I didn't even mention) but due to the arrogance with which he carries out his task in every game.

No doubt you got to the end of the first paragraph, saw the fact that I am a Blues fan and then couldn't be bothered with the rest. Well done.

I'm not talking about mistakes. Every referee makes those. What I am talking about is the way Poll referees. There is a whole lot more to being a ref than simply blowing your whistle at the right times.

AngryPaul
10-05-2007, 06:45 AM
His inadequacies as a referee were exposed once again last night as he managed to let a very low-key game turn into a heated encounter. Nothing happened in the game, yet he managed to book 7 people. He is inconsistent, loves the limelight and refuses to accept when he is wrong. It makes me want to hide every time someone mentions him being our best ref! He is nowhere near.

He is way to card happy, as last night showed, and as Scram said, he just doesn't allow players to have their say. He hears them say "that wasn't on" and he flashes a card for them. I believe he is the reason games can become so bad tempered.Referee Poll, not for the first time, was centre stage, and he was involved in an exchange of views with Mourinho that led to the Chelsea boss momentarily leaving the dug-out.Nothing happened in the match, yet he still managed to draw attention to himself!

Twatface ¬_¬

Smokey
10-05-2007, 02:27 PM
What a surprise - mention you're a Chelsea fan and some genius will make grand assumptions about the reason you have an opinion, usually based on the thought that it must be about some grudge.

If you actually read my post you would see that the reason I think he is crap is nothing to do with a single refereeing performance (which I didn't even mention) but due to the arrogance with which he carries out his task in every game.

No doubt you got to the end of the first paragraph, saw the fact that I am a Blues fan and then couldn't be bothered with the rest. Well done.

I'm not talking about mistakes. Every referee makes those. What I am talking about is the way Poll referees. There is a whole lot more to being a ref than simply blowing your whistle at the right times.

I made no such assumption although it's nice to see you take my disagreement as a personal attack on your football team.

You accuse Poll of disrespecting players. Why should he respect them? I have seen little signs of respect for referees from players across the world. Why respect someone who screams in your face when you disagree with them?

As for the World cup bookings mentioned a few times. He made a mistake which has been made before by others and will be made agin. Surprisingly referees are human too. My whole point is not to defend Poll, but to say cut him some slack. He wouldn't get the big games if he was as bad as you make out. There's a system to make sure the best referees get the biggest games.

Oh, I agree with Paul. More options are needed on the poll.

AngryPaul
11-05-2007, 02:39 PM
Shame (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6646739.stm)

[murray]
11-05-2007, 07:05 PM
As shit as Poll is...

Poll > Mike Reid...

Thomp
12-05-2007, 09:34 AM
Shame (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6646739.stm)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=poll-quits&method=full&objectid=19084382&siteid=89520-name_page.html

Oh no it isn't! \o/

Smokey
12-05-2007, 04:30 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=poll-quits&method=full&objectid=19084382&siteid=89520-name_page.html

Oh no it isn't! \o/

Because we all know the Mirror is a reliable source.

Thomp
12-05-2007, 06:30 PM
Because we all know the Mirror is a reliable source.
Well considering the BBC and Sky have also reported it, I'M 100% RIGHT

So that that!

Smokey
13-05-2007, 01:03 PM
Actually Angry Paul's link is to a BBC story saying Poll will NOT quit contrary to the Mirror story. So you aren't 100% right.

Anyway, it's Sunday now, we'll see after the Arsenal match.

Thomp
13-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Actually Angry Paul's link is to a BBC story saying Poll will NOT quit contrary to the Mirror story. So you aren't 100% right.

Anyway, it's Sunday now, we'll see after the Arsenal match.

Doesn't say anywhere in the article about the Mirror story, and this being the contrary report to it you mong.

Smokey
13-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Doesn't say anywhere in the article about the Mirror story, and this being the contrary report to it you mong.

What are you on about? Do you mean the BBC article doesn't mention the Mirror article? The BBC report says Poll isn't quitting, the Mirror report he is, hence they contradict each other. I can't find any stories on either the BBC or Sky websites saying Poll will retire, there's only gossip. Have you got any links?

Also, keep your insults to yourself.

Thomp
13-05-2007, 08:25 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/07/05/13/SOCCER_Portsmouth_Quotes.html

Happy now???

Paul12345
13-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Also: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6627833.stm
And when Pompey did get the ball in the net, referee Graham Poll - in his last Premiership match - controversially ruled the goal out after consulting with his assistant.

Smokey
13-05-2007, 09:37 PM
Very happy now, thanks. I stand corrected.

DangerMouse
31-05-2007, 02:29 AM
Whoever voted he is an excellent referee either voted with irony in mind or knows nothing about football.

He reffed our second leg against Yeovil and despite not changing the result at all, he was pathetic. His desperate attempts to remain at the centre of attention was nothing short of cringeworthy and he really struggles to keep up with play.

AngryPaul
31-05-2007, 07:42 AM
Hmmm.... I can no longer get in the spotlight by being an incompetent buffoon, how else can I get in the news? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6703221.stm)