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The Mna
27-06-2007, 04:24 PM
I'm on my sister's laptop currently, but its not a permamnet solution as she'll be home in a bit.

Ah.. so my 6-7 year old desktop finally died yesterday. I decided to tinker around with it to see what I could do with it, change the thermal paste on the heatsink, and put some quieter fans on it. had some trouble getting the bloody mobo out of the case as it was really cramped, but I eventually got it out by removing the pci cards, moving the HD, and unscrewing the thing from the mobo tray. So I got the heatsink off by unscrewing it at the mounting bracket on the back of the mobo, and cleaned it with nailpolish remover and rubbing alchohol (rubbing alchohol worked better). It was another struggle getting the heatsink mounted afterwards since it was really badly designed and the screws kept slipping back when I tried to put the washers and nuts onto them. After all that was done, I decided to remount the mobo and see if it would post. I reattached the floppy and ide cables, the cpu fan, the mobo main power, etc. The tricker part of reattaching the cables came with the panel (power/reset switches, leds, etc.) since the case was very cramped and so were the connections on the panel. I got the power led hooked in, the reset switch, and the power switch, then hooked the thing up to power. It didn't turn on at first, so I tried moving the connections on the panel around a bit (I later found out that the cables werent hooked into the pins I thought I had put them in) and got the machine to power up. The led lit up, the fans spun around, and it gave off a beep followed by thre shorter beeps. I consulted the manual and read that it meant no graphics card was connected. I reconnected most of the cards (the AGP graphics card, the sound card, ethernet, but threw out the telephone modem card and extra usb hubs as they were only taking up space in my machine and made things more cramped) and when I repowered the system and connected the monitor, mouse, and keyboard, it gave me a single beep signifying that there had not been an error on post. Then, it gave me a boot disc failure error message on the dos screen. Fuck. I'd had troubles with my HD in the past year a few times, causing my system to crash, but I managed to get it to work by taking the side off and snugging up any connections that might have been loose, and it worked. I tried it again this time, but it simply would not power on at all. FUCK. Tried changing the panel connections again, but to no avail. I think I might want to stick to consoles... less hassle.

At this point, I've pretty much accepted that my desktop is fucked, so my main question is where do I go from here? I've thought of getting a cheap laptop to do internets and things like word, and using my 360 (that I tried to sell) for games. I also thought of getting a new desktop, though it would be a lot more expensive, and my mom is itching to bitch at something.

For a laptop though, how about that crazy cheap one that they're going to pawn off to developing countries... I think a decent one can be had for $200, though I think they want you to pay double to fund a free one for a developing country, so $400. I'm in Canada btw.

The Grim Reaper
28-06-2007, 05:35 AM
By not power on, do you mean press the button and nothing happens? or do you get LED's and fans spinning that then stop?
I suspect a dead PSU maybe, and it might have damaged the hard drive also. With a fault like this, you can never know until you swap out parts.

The cheap laptop? One laptop per child project? that thing runs linux afaik and im pretty sure you don't want one. Intel apparently have tried to copy them also, but both are incredibly underpowered.

If your getting a laptop, perhaps get a new low end one? $500 might do it? (don't know your currency conversion).
Otherwise perhaps you could just get a new low end desktop computer, if its custom built then it should cost around $500.

TheSheep
28-06-2007, 05:51 AM
aince when is Canada 'devolping'? i thought you were just as developed as UK or USA - and you have more bears aswell which means you win :D

joking aside - if those laptops arent any good and you cant afford a decent one a desktop is normally a lot cheaper than an equivalent laptop and i think desktops are meant to last quite a bit longer as well

The Mna
06-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Well.. I decided to get a desktop from my local custom build computer shop.

The specs are:

Case - Antec Sonata II 450w
Motherboard - Asus P5B
CPU - E6600
RAM - 2GB Corsair 800 mhz 5-5-5-12
GPU - Evga 8800 GTS 320 MB
HD - 320 GB Seagate 16MB cache
Optical - Pioneer DVDRW

Luckily, the store's prices were pretty good. They could assembled customers systems for free if they purchased new ones within 3-5 business days. I decided I would take the parts home and put it together. I spent the afternoon putting it all together and tested it at the end of the day. Concerningly, the fans all spun and the leds lit up, but it wouldn't post when I pressed the power button and it hung just before posting. Pressing the reset button after the power button got it to post just fine though. Everytime the reset button would have to be pressed after the power button to get the thing to post. I thought it was weird, but as long as it posted I figured I could live with having to press 2 buttons to turn it on. I updated the bios using a usb flash drive (my mp3 player actually). In the first attempt it crashed just before writing the bios, and I had to reload the old bios with the cd so I could try updating the bios again. The second time it worked. Feeling the system was sorted, I rebooted it and inserted the XP disc. It got to a point where it gave me the choice of instaling XP, setting up raid/scsi drives, and quiting the setup. I chose to install XP and it proceeded to "prepare the files" with a loading bar at the bottom of the screen. When it finished with the loading screen, it rebooted and got to the dos prompt screen again, but it wouldn't read the disc or anything, it simply stood there for a while with the cursor blinking in the upper left corner, and then it skipped a space and stood there blinking indefinitely. Checking the bios ezflash utility, I found that some files had been installed on the HD, including one called I386. Rebooting it would give the same results, with it hanging at the dos prompt. Annoyed, I took it to the store yesterday and payed the $25 fee for a diagnosis, to find out with it wouldn't post with just the power button, and the OS installation (though for the OS they wanted to charge $70, so I figured I'd hear the diagnosis beforehand).

Does anyone have experience with these sorts of problems?

The Grim Reaper
07-07-2007, 12:55 AM
Wow, all sorts of problems going on there. Hope it works out okay in the end.
I can't think why a cold boot wouldn't would, but a hard reset straight after would? perhaps it checks something when cold booting that it doesnt when resetting?

The Mna
07-07-2007, 06:40 PM
I was thinking that it might be bypassing some of its self tests by reseting too, and its quite possible that something with the setup is making it unstable. I got it back from the place where they diagnosed it yesterday. They said that the graphics card was faulty, and that he got it to post fine with just the power button when he swapped the 8800 out for an 8600. He said to get the card exchanged for a new one, so I did and installed it about an hour later. It was behaving the same way, not posting unless the reset button was pushed, and the OS installation wasn't working any better, this time I found that it actually crashed sometimes when trying to install XP. I called and told the guy that checked it out about it, and he said that it might be that the board isn't compatible with my particular graphic card. I read that the board had problems with some 8800 gtxs, but I hoped that it would be alright on mine. I also read that certain ram could cause it to stall just before posting. Since he said he got it to post normally by using the 8600, I'm leaning towards the graphic card being the problem. He said I could come in on Monday and he would show me that he got it to post with the 8600, and we could try using my card with different motherboards. If it is just the graphic card/motherboard thats doing it, I could get my motherboard exchanged for the asus 680i sli motherboard thats about $100 more, and either keep the 8800 gts, or get the 8600 that they have on sale for $160 as opposed to $350 for the 8800. I'm leaning towards the 8600 since I was actually considering buying a midrange card like it earlier, it can do fairly well on most games, and since the 8800s have been around for over 6 months already, the 9000 series will probably show up soon and make them obsolete. By buying the 680i motherboard I could upgrade it to the newer cards, due to come out soon, if I wanted to. Also, I haven't heard of ram problems with the 680i present with the p5b. Eh... the other thing is they scratched the side panel of my case when they were inspecting it, and I cut out one of the brackets in the back of it to get the 8800 to fit, so I might try to get that replaced as well.

Guess now all I can do with respect to the system is wait 'til Monday.

The Mna
10-07-2007, 06:10 PM
COMP IS LIVE!

It turns out they gave me a bad stick of ram that checked out ok but didn't actually function properly. I had mixed emotions. On the one hand, my system now worked and I got the OS loaded up on it fine. On the other hand, all of my techy torment was caused by a bloody stick of RAM. It turns out that the vid card works fine with it now though, and I've got most of the drivers/software up and running. One thing that's a bit odd is that it seems to go slowly while installing from the optical drive, but it installs ok, and the rest of the system performs well. Now to calibrate my monitor/speakers hehe.