RIP Antonio Puerta

[Nuclear Spoon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6964586.stm

Poor sod. Only 22.
I saw him collapse live on TV and I was like wtf.

Too young.

RIP

[Thomp]

Horrible news. Reminds me of that African midfielder who died of a heart attack a couple of years ago

:( RIP

[Nuclear Spoon]

Horrible news. Reminds me of that African midfielder who died of a heart attack a couple of years ago

:( RIP

Marc Vivian Foe. Collapsed on the pitch, in much the same circumstances IIRC.

[La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo]

I also saw this live on TV =[

It reminded me of something that happened in a UEFA cup game, on channel 5 (I think).

RIP =[

[AngryPaul]

Poor lad.

RIP.

[Flava Dave]

Shame, his wife is pregnant too. RIP

[OKO]

Couldn't believe it - I thought he was going to recover, but not be able to play football again.
A real shame - it's going to be really tough for his wife.
Condolences with the family of Antonio Puerta. :(

[streety]

RIP Antonio
You'll Never Walk Alone

One of his finest moments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pUzE_jonzk)

[ynnekkenny]

yeah terrible shame i watched it in a bar so id didnt see it happen but its a horrible thing. RIP...

[Smokey]

Wow, tragic. This also happened in the Forest Vs Leicester game.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/6963502.stm

Clive Clarke collapsed at half time. He's in hospital although it sounds like he'll be ok.

Is it just me or is this getting more common. I remember hearing of a young player in one of the lower league reserves dying a few weeks ago. QPR rings a bell but probably just because of the car cash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/6965425.stm

[Luna]

I think it should be mentioned that QPR's Ray Jones died in a car crash on Saturday, and Anton Reid of Walsall collapsed and died in training last week. Jones was 18 (just shy of 19), and Reid was just 16. I feel it only fair these two get mentioned too. RIP to Ray Jones, Anton Reid, and Antonio Pureta, and best wishes to Clive Clarke on his recovery.

[jonffm]

I would look to say a massive well done to Liverpool and Toulouse fans. A brilliant tribute, not a single whistle during and not a single cheer as the players entered the pitch.

Not many places in the world you'd get that.

[OKO]

I would look to say a massive well done to Liverpool and Toulouse fans. A brilliant tribute, not a single whistle during and not a single cheer as the players entered the pitch.

Not many places in the world you'd get that.

Amen to that - touched me considerably. I still stand by my opinion that Liverpool do have the best supporters in the world.

[Smokey]

Amen to that - touched me considerably. I still stand by my opinion that Liverpool do have the best supporters in the world.

I lay claim that Newcastle supporters were a touch ahead but not after recent events.

What's this about the Liverpool - Tolouse game? Must have missed that.

[Smidge91]

Champions League qualifier second leg.

Sad news, only 22. The Ray Jones death shocked me too- he was going places.

[AngryPaul]

What's this about the Liverpool - Tolouse game? Must have missed that.The parents of the murdered 11-year-old Everton fan Rhys Jones stood at the side of the pitch in their Everton shirts last night while the Everton song - the theme from Z Cars - played, the Liverpool fans then led a minutes appluase for the poor lad and his family.

Then a rousing rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone.

Very touching.

[Thomp]

Credit where credits due to LFC, really emotional during Z-Cars. Everton's was obviously more touching, but good on you.

[jonffm]

It's all been well done, and i'm qite impressed across the board. All very respectfull and tastefull.

Without starting a debate here, I seriously wonder whther that same would happen between certain London clubs? Liverpool and Everton don't hate eachother - it's more like a family thing. One half supports one, the other supports the other.

Too many rivalries aree built on sure hatred...you wouldn't set the same at San Siro or White Heart Lane, i'm affraid.

[Rhiyo]

RIP, to those guys, also RIP to my grandpa as he died over the weekend aswell :(.

[Flava Dave]

Without starting a debate here, I seriously wonder whther that same would happen between certain London clubs? Liverpool and Everton don't hate eachother - it's more like a family thing. One half supports one, the other supports the other.

Too many rivalries aree built on sure hatred...you wouldn't set the same at San Siro or White Heart Lane, i'm affraid.


Are you trying to turn a thread about the tragic death of a young footballer into a thread about why Liverpool fans are better than non-Liverpool fans?

Go you.

[Mat^]

I'm a bitter cunt, me, so the first thing I thought when I heard someone died, posted about in sports and bets, was "maybe he strangled his wife and son?".

:'(

[OKO]

It's all been well done, and i'm qite impressed across the board. All very respectfull and tastefull.

Without starting a debate here, I seriously wonder whther that same would happen between certain London clubs? Liverpool and Everton don't hate eachother - it's more like a family thing. One half supports one, the other supports the other.

Too many rivalries aree built on sure hatred...you wouldn't set the same at San Siro or White Heart Lane, i'm affraid.

>_>
So - if you're telling me a young lad of 11/12 was brutally murdered in Tottenham wearing an Arsenal shirt - clubs around North London (Arsenal, Tottenham) wouldn't hold a minute of respect? Even though our clubs have been known for physical violence and overly aggressive stances towards each other, that's the ways it's been for a long time. But when it's about someones life and not the game of Football - I think people can remonstrate good feeling and respect towards the victim. And be united instead of against each other. ._.
Just because we're from London doesn't mean we're cruel callous beasts.

[jonffm]

Are you trying to turn a thread about the tragic death of a young footballer into a thread about why Liverpool fans are better than non-Liverpool fans?

Go you.

No, but you're clearly trying to derail a thread based on a simple comment about there being too much hatred between London clubs and select others, i.e Milan/Inter, for them to see the bigger picture.

Kindly fuck off.

>_>
So - if you're telling me a young lad of 11/12 was brutally murdered in Tottenham wearing an Arsenal shirt - clubs around North London (Arsenal, Tottenham) wouldn't hold a minute of respect? Even though our clubs have been known for physical violence and overly aggressive stances towards each other, that's the ways it's been for a long time. But when it's about someones life and not the game of Football - I think people can remonstrate good feeling and respect towards the victim.
Just because we're from London doesn't mean we're cruel callous beasts.

And thats happened. Plenty of times. Not the players, the players are fine - and it's nothing about the football. It's the London firms, and no, they wouldn't pay any respect whatsoever. The majority of fans (as most no-doubt live outside London), are fine too, obviously. Even when a football player dies and they do a minute silence across all games - i've heard certain clubs boo'ing all the way through. Never be foolish enough to believe that everyone that goes to a game is a nice, normal everyday person.

Never underestimate how cruel a crowd of 40,000+ fans that hate eachother can be. In places like Milan, they'd be singing about it the following week.


I also didn't single Liverpool out, as much as the Flava would have liked me to. I mentioned the rivalry between clubs. If he had been wearing a Liverpool shirt, would the same have happened at Goodison? I image it would have, yes. Would the same have happened at Man U and City? I imagine so, yup.

However, London is different. I'm not going to be P.C and say everyone in the world is a nice, lovely person. I've been to games in London, and my opinion is that there is a LARGER majority of thugs and hooligans than other parts of the country. Unofrtunatly, thats just how it is. Don't take a comment about the minority of your stadium-going fans as a shot at yourself.

[Luna]

And thats happened. Plenty of times. Not the players, the players are fine - and it's nothing about the football. It's the London firms, and no, they wouldn't pay any respect whatsoever. The majority of fans (as most no-doubt live outside London), are fine too, obviously. Even when a football player dies and they do a minute silence across all games - i've heard certain clubs boo'ing all the way through. Never be foolish enough to believe that everyone that goes to a game is a nice, normal everyday person.

Never underestimate how cruel a crowd of 40,000+ fans that hate eachother can be. In places like Milan, they'd be singing about it the following week.

I think that if the lad had been an Arsenal/ Spurs fan, the other would have paid respect. There is a nasty rivalry, but I doubt it would go that far (maybe maybe maybe one or two individuals). Inter and AC is a different matter, they take their rivalry and football way too far. I hate to be stereotypical, but there are large numbers of Italian fans who care more about getting one over on their rival fans than the football.

[jonffm]

The majority would have, of course.

Spurs/Arsenal are no Milan/Inter - that rivalry just goes well above and beyond football. However, it's no family rivalry either...it's not a Man U/Man City or Liverpool/Everton. There are certain rivalrys in England that are getting more and more fueled on hatred rather than football each year. Spurs/Arsenal happens to be one of them. I think we can all think of a few others too.

For that reason, do a think that the small minority of these thugs have the human compassion to show that kind of respect? Unfortunatly, I don't. Call me cynical, but there is still a very ugly side to English football - one i've seen in motion a few times, even doing the very thing in question.

I am, of course, not saying that every fan is like that - but it's always the minority that lets people down. My original comment was simply pointing out that there are fewer clubs every year that wouldn't let that minority ruin it. Unfortunatly a certain poster trys to twist my words on a regular occasion - and thusly I have to go ahead and write our a long-winded explaination, when the vast majority of readers are able to see these points as they read, not have them spelt out for them.

Anyways, end?

[Luna]

On this whole rivalry issue, Sevilla and Betis have a very fierce rivalry, and Sky Sports News just showed the group of people paying their respects, and a Betis fan crying.

[mrsnuffles]

Without starting a debate here, I seriously wonder whther that same would happen between certain London clubs? Liverpool and Everton don't hate eachother - it's more like a family thing. One half supports one, the other supports the other.

Too many rivalries aree built on sure hatred...you wouldn't set the same at San Siro or White Heart Lane, i'm affraid.

spurs and arsenal aren't exactly the first two clubs i would think of when it comes to violence. the only rivalry i can think of that is even close to being 'built on hatred' rather than proximity would be rangers and celtic.

the idea that 'you wouldn't see the same at white hart lane' is pretty insulting tbh.

[jonffm]

see the same at white hart lane' is pretty insulting tbh.

It's an opinion. As I said, i've seen it happen - and I see no reason why it should change simply because the person in question happens to be a child. I'd like to think it would, there theres alot of things I would like to think alot of these so-called football fans are above that they sadly are not.

Perhaps you've seen a different side to the story, but i've seen plenty of what it means to be involved in the Arsenal Spurs rivalry that points the other way.

I also have already said that i'm not aiming it at football fans, i'm aiming it at the hooligans, so don't take it as a personal attack. Thats like every american getting insulted every time someone speaks ill of their government.