Another "What is happening to society" thread. (May contain rant and stereotypes)

[FuriousPanda]

May be an old point, but is still very prominent. Example time.

Walking home from college today, minding my own business. I don't usually even make eye contact with anybody I don't know. But still, awoken from my thoughts.

Oi blondie you fucking prick

I see a small boy, roughly twelve, sitting on a bin with a cigarette. There are several things I am instantly repulsed by.
Firstly, he is smoking. May I again point out he is about twelve. I see no point in smoking at that age. Congratulations, you have removed several years from your life, and ultimately a few minutes from mine for breathing in my face.
Secondly, I come to realise what he has just said to me. Lets break it down shall we?

Oi Blondie
This is at the very edge of acceptable. He obviously does not know my name, and so has named me after a prominent feature, in this case my hair. Oi could have been replaced by "Excuse me", which is generally acceptable when addressing somebody you do not know, however I am a tolerant man so I will accept "Oi"

So we have established that he has addressed me in a mildly suitable manner. Surely now, if he wants to make contact me for whatever reason, he will wait for a response from me, or repeat if it becomes evident that I have not heard him. But no. "Oi blondie" is followed by some more words.

you fucking prick
This I do not understand. A child has just called me a "fucking prick", which I can only assume he intends as an insult. I am quite shocked by this. He does not know me, and has, assumingly, never seen me before in his life. Therefore he has no ground whatsoever to base an insult on. Thus it strikes me as odd.
I am rather unsure how to act here. He has just blatantly insulted me for no reason. As I am unsure of what to do, I decide to ignore the fact that he has just insulted me, hoping that it was perhaps a dream, or a figment of my imagination. Continuing with what would be a normal conversation, I reply with a very standard "Yes?"

At this point in the conversation, I can see that I am not at all in the wrong. I have not behaved intimidatingly, I have not harmed this boy in any way, I have not even established contact with him (maybe this is where I have gone wrong). So what this child says next should come as quite a shock to me. He says:

Go fuck your mum you fucking cunt
As you can imagine, I am both shocked and appalled at this. Again, this is obviously intended as an insult, and I fail to see how I could have possibly taken this phrase any other way. I am now wondering why I have been insulted by a complete stranger.

Unfortunately, this kind of attitude has become almost commonplace. This happens, nearly on a weekly basis on my way to college, by different people each time, thus showing that this is not an isolated case. I have also been told stories of other people that this kind of incident has happened to. By the looks of things, I should consider myself lucky to not be involved in any physical violence of the same nature.

So the obvious question remains; Why? Please, if you can offer any explanation as to why this behavior occurs, I'd like to know. There seems to be little logical sense in saying and doing such things "Just to get into a fight". Surely a fight would benefit neither party? Especially as the protagonist in this case was clearly a good few years younger than myself.

So please, if any answers exist, post...


[/massive fucking rant]

[French Bread]

Ignore him or win the fight with your verbal skills.

[Nuclear Spoon]

Just say, "Don't talk to me like that, you dirty philistine! I shall have my butler upon you posthaste if you don't learn some manners VERY quickly. HARUMPH!"

Then march off with an air of triumph.

[gembird]

Blimey, that reminded me of school... Ah, those were the days.

But yeah, kids do give older people hassle for no reason. I would say to either ignore him or tell him to fuck off, but if you go for the second option you'll most likely end up with some fat bitch of a chav woman on your doorstep screaming abuse and telling you that she'll stab you if you talk to her precious littl'un like that again.

My answer to your question would be firstly, that these kids (assuming it's usually kids) are little bastards who haven't been brought up properly. Secondly, what do you look like? Back home there was a massive thing where all the 'different' kids got hassled for either being geeky or being grebos, which eventually just became "urr, you dirty fuckin greb" at anyone who was in slight need of a haircut/wasn't orange and slutty. Not saying you are a 'grebo' or anything, just that you do get younger kids being all snotty about someone not being like them.

I dunno, it does seem to happen a lot. Sucks, especially if there's no reason- even a really fucking retarded one- why they're doing it.

[Erskien_Parkour]

Yeah theres alot of impoliteness and general rudeness these days.

People arent brought up with the same values, so they end up bringing up their kids like that as well. It gets worse and worse sadly.

Its a shame to see society degenerating this way. Something needs to be done but what?
In erskine they have made a brad new astroturf football pitch, what happens to it? People burn it and smash glass all over it.

Theres no way of winning. Alot of parents just dont bring their children up properly anymore.

[FuriousPanda]

Its a shame to see society degenerating this way. Something needs to be done but what?

I can seriously see a civil war/a vigilante style uprising. :(.

Then again another part of me says that'll never happen. There just aren't enough activists these days.

[Dr_nwa]

Headphones+shaved head+badass attitude=no one hassles you

[happy-go-lucky]

Ignore them. Then they look stupid.

[Admirererrerr]

I think gembird is right in this case. Although I hate to agree with him, he's talking about just what I'm in.

Not just kids, but people in general, and especially those in the social hierarchies tend to look down on what isn't exactly like themselves. After living a life of follow-the-leader, they hardly have any ways of expressing themselves, and therefore react like a certain boy.

As for what should be done, we should make a revolution and kill people who are considered normal. Win!

[ray]

Girls just want to have fun.

[Smartie]

Turn quickly, walk up to them, punch them squarely in the face and shout (being sure to spit a bit at the same time) "you got hit by a girl" and then stride away triumphantly.
They're never ever going to expect you'll hit them.*

*Ideal world.

[katt]

I have never seen a kid acting like that before but it seems society is likely heading that direction.

I would not say anything back to him. just feel sorry for him for smoking cigarettes at 12 years old. he probably does not lead the easiest of lives.

there was a james herriot story about this rude, mean little kid. and he played these nasty pranks on herriot..totally disrespecting him. but then one day his puppy was sick and he turned up in herriot's office begging for help for his dog. and it sort of touched herriot's heart that this mean little kid would care about his puppy

it turns out he had a horrendous poverty ridden home life and bad parents. i forget what happened to the dog in the story but i don't think it was saved and i think the kid continued to go downhill.

[Katie_D]

I see a small boy,

A child has just called me a "fucking prick"

It's not an excuse, but there's your reason.

And also, it's very sad that you were subject to that kind of treatment from somebody you don't know, but you sound incredibly condesending in your post. You seem to hold yourself high above this individual (perhaps for the right reasons, I don't know). Perhaps he knew you were doing that, or maybe it was a defense mechanism incase you were going to do that. Or maybe it's just me.

Like the person above me said, there are usually reasons for such behavior. Whether it's family life, upbringing, circumstance or the kid is being bullied themselves. It's a dog eat dog world when you're that old and you constantly have older people telling you what you should be doing. I suppose it's easy to strike out at random people to seem like a "tough guy". Rebellion, or whatever you want to call it.

[feeshy]

12 is a small child. Especially, so it seems, in mental age.

[happy-go-lucky]

I thought the post seemed more sarcastic, but I am incredibly sarcastic so I see it everywhere.

[Midget]

you should've booted the little shit in the face

...what? :p

i had a 14, maybe 15 year old lad come up to me in subway the other day, blow an air horn in my face and call me a twat for no reason

so i called him a scrote and told him to wait outside for me and after id eaten my sandwich, id come out and butt him, suffice to say, he wasn't waiting outside for me

what goes around comes around i say, treat them how they treat everyone else

[Erskien_Parkour]

Yeah but you gotta watch out with stuff like that. Sometimes they have lots of mates with them.

Been beaten up before becuase I started a fight with one of them about another 3 jumped in.

I was alone. The shit deserved it though, hit me with an egg will ya!

[I Lion Heart I]

When people say stupid things to me, they're often wrong about these things they make up just because of certain aspects of my appearance. Thing is it happens all over schools. Swear words are used twice as much as any... any other word really. It's especially funny as "fucking" is their only describing words and all their nouns are other swear words.

When someone says something to me directly, I often outsmart them with the English Language and explain to them why their comment doesn't make sense. Often ends with a "Shut up." In other words "Dammit. I can't continue this discussion without looking like an even bigger idiot." Today's world 'ey.

[happy-go-lucky]

Somebody called me a gyppo before. I asked if he knew what one was. He replied he did. I pointed out what he was wearing was closer to this than me. He replied that I should fuck off because he was proud of it. I asked why he was using it as an insult. He swore at me and my friend, and called us pussies. I might point out here that the were 7 or 8 of them, mostly boys, mostly 2/3 years older than me and my friend, who were both 14 year old girls at that point. Oh the irony.

[Gabber-Baby]

Turn quickly, walk up to them, punch them squarely in the face and shout (being sure to spit a bit at the same time) "you got hit by a girl" and then stride away triumphantly.
They're never ever going to expect you'll hit them.*

*Ideal world.

Yeah. That's exactly what i'd do....maybe not to a 12 year old...depends what mood im in.

The kids round my area are like that, complete little shits that need a good slap. I get a group of 8 year old boys shouting at me going "Oi Oi!!", complete with the fag in their hands thinking they're 50 cent. To little kids like that, all you can really say is "Shouldnt you be in bed?" or something.

But yeah, i can really feel this turning into a rant cos it annoys the hell outta me too.

The other day for instance, me and my boyfriend were walking back from the shops with some pasta we were gonna have for dinner (irrelevant, sorry) but anyway, on the way home, we saw a group of about 5 chavs who must've been about 16. As i walked past, one was looking at me smirking. I wasnt in the mood for this so i snapped at him - "What the fuck you lookin at?"
Yobbish behaviour on my part but i wasnt gonna let some scumbag look at me like that. They all started laughing at me and just as me and my boyfriend got round the corner, one of them called me a slag, which of course made my boyfriend flip, throw the shopping bags on the floor demanding for the one who called me a slag :D (Its nice to have a boyfriend to protect me).

Of course, they all said "Oh, it wasnt me..." But we left them alone with my boyfriend, anthony shouting the last words - "Look at you, fucking chavs. Bunch of fucking little pricks". (Sorry for language).

So yeah, chavs who mouth off just need a good mouth back. Most of the time, they'd back down because they're all mouth. And if they do mouth back, then as ive learnt before, you just need to go absolutley mental on their ass and start shouting and screaming at them like a nut job.

[big-chip]

Oh go eggs thrown from cars. Me and a mate walking home late one night get eggs thrown at us from a car and they all miss but one which hit me but didnt break, can they not do anything properly. Now me being a pretty placid person let this go but my mate being more of the "Im friendly but if you hit me im going to break your neck" types saw the car a couple of days later an wited for the chav of an owner to return so he could give him a sound thrashing.

There are lessond to be learnt here. 1, do not throw eggs at strangers you do not know what they will do. 2, If you are going to throw an egg from a car dont be driving the most obvious yellow car with full body kit alloys and such because you are easily spotted again.

[Wigpat]

you should've booted the little shit in the face

...what? :p

i had a 14, maybe 15 year old lad come up to me in subway the other day, blow an air horn in my face and call me a twat for no reason

so i called him a scrote and told him to wait outside for me and after id eaten my sandwich, id come out and butt him, suffice to say, he wasn't waiting outside for me

what goes around comes around i say, treat them how they treat everyone else

Subways seem to be the worst for young chavs trying to seem tough.
I was in a subway before with these two guys i was teching a pantomime with. These guys happen to both be about 6ft3 and solid muscle. Some 12 year old chav in a pink shirt came in and started trying to have a go at us for 'being moshers' (wtf? I think its because we were wearing black due to the fact we we running a show). Sean laughed at him and told him to run along. He then attempted to get angry at us but as soon as Teifion and Sean stood up he ran.

[crab]

extra-polite and obliging is what I tend to do (though I don't normally get anything too bad despite the long hair, what with being tall and not lightly built), because it seriously throws them, and because I'm a pansy when it comes to actually hitting people. I had someone go "Can I have a hug? Gimme a hug, queer", so I did, and they screamed.
It was like I'd poured holy water on them or something.

So yeah, be really nice to them I guess?

[Haroshi]

I was walking with my friends one time while wearing a beret* then one little chav (12 year old maybe) shouts "Oi, The army's that way!" while his friends chuckled.
All I did was totally ignore him and carry on talking to my friends.

All they really are are attention seekers, if you don't give them the attention they wan't it'll piss them off more than if you do. :p



*OK, kind of asking for trouble there

[natty dread]

most recent verbal assault on my person was from some kids shouting "oi dread, you're not black" across a road at me as i was going home.
just so happened that there were a couple of black guys sitting outside the pub i was walking past who didnt like the comment and decided to go scare the tiny chavs, who quickly ran home to mummy.

[Thomp]

Laugh at them. Seriously, a 12 year old kid thinks he's being hard by swearing and smoking. Just laugh at him for his stupidity and walk away.

Really though, if you stand up for yourself, 8 times out of 10 they'll either back down or run away.

[BlueIncaPilot]

I hope you put your boot in his arse. Or if you're not the violent type, slaughtered him with a witty comeback. Or if you're not the funny type, put him in his place with lots of shouting right up in his face. Because I wouldn't allow a 12 year old to talk to me like that, and neither should anybody else. Some people need taking down a peg or two. This child has got me quite mad now I haven't even met him :mad:

[Luna]

As much as they wind me up, and as much as I would like to lash out and give some a right good whack in the face, it's really best to just walk along. Don't give the fuckers the satisfaction. No matter how harmless you think they look, there are some messed up kids around (I had a 10 year old come up shouting incoherently and waving a flip knife) and you never know who's lurking round the corner with nothing better to do.

[GorillaBearBear]

Headphones+shaved head+badass attitude=no one hassles you

Too right, mate.

[Luna]

Too right, mate.

Not that you need to worry, you have a Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now thing going on in Cambridge, only instead of Vietnamese, it's assorted gypsies who make the daily migration from Cottenham to worship you.

[allfalldown]

I'd love to give people like this a punch in the face, but mostly they aren't worth the bother. Where I live they're generally either too much of a coward to say anything to your face, choosing instead to shout at you from across a street or from a moving car, or they're an absolute psycho who will stove your head if you so much as look at them sideways. Mostly I just ignore them, since violence is likely to end up with me being hurt too and reason just doesn't work on such people. If I do feel moved to respond though, such as one period of a month or two where I just got sick of it, I generally just give them the finger or tell them to fuck off. Not smart really, but I rarely have a witty comeback when I really need one :p

[Evil-Muffin]

There's a boy in my class at school and he's a little prick.. .everyday he says something to annoy me, but today he threw gum in my hair.. and some people that I thought were nice were encouraging him and giggling......... I heard them talking about how I'm probably gonna go home and cry and cut myself..... fuck that....... I told the teacher I either want him or me out of that class and my boyfriend is going up to his work place soon to have a "chat" with him... this boy is about five feet five inches and my boyfriend is well over six feet tall.... hopefully these little annoyances will be stopping shortly :)

[Martinus]

I'm still going to stick with my dictum that you should treat everyone else the way you'd hope they treat you.

Think about that kid's life. There's a good chance that he's not well educated, comes from a broken home, isn't loved or cared for and is likely to stay that way unless he has some critical change in his life. He can look forward to empty relationships devoid of real meaning as he's never seen how positive one can be. He will have no drive to succeed or improve himself as he sees how his parent(s) went to school yet work some shitty shift job in a low-paid job. His 'friends', children in the same situation, don't actually have any affinity for each other. They gang together because they're all scared and it's nice not to be the only scared person.

I don't know about you but I just feel sorry for them.

In school I was bothered by a group of boys because I had long hair, I simply walked over to one of them one day and told him that no matter what his friends did I would take all of it out on him. It was an empty threat but it worked*; none of them bothered me again. The group seems strong but alone they are just little, scared people.



*I believe that violence almost always increases the problem (and can get you arrested if you hit a minor).

[faragher]

May be an old point, but is still very prominent. Example time.

<paraphrase>
some massive wordy rant about how I am so much better than them; look at my use of language; look how verbose and witty I am! Damn those rascals etc etc. Oh! My! Aren't the youth of today simply dreadful.
</paraphrase>

So please, if any answers exist, post...

[/massive fucking rant]
Just reading this post makes me want to call you rude names dude. This is not a collapse of society issue, it has always been happening. I was doing pretty much the same thing about 20 years ago (lol old), and if you read some "Just William" books, or maybe Oliver Twist, you will see that there is a pretty strong history of kids being arseholes.

But yeah, get a haircut and walk tall - you will get no bother then.

[Katie_D]

Just reading this post makes me want to call you rude names dude. This is not a collapse of society issue, it has always been happening. I was doing pretty much the same thing about 20 years ago (lol old), and if you read some "Just William" books, or maybe Oliver Twist, you will see that there is a pretty strong history of kids being arseholes.

But yeah, get a haircut and walk tall - you will get no bother then.

This is what I was trying to say in my post. You have a way with words that I just don't share, Faragher.

[LeoZ]

i found that if you walk with self confidence, ie not looking down at the floor, with a slight smile on your face like you just got laid you'll be fine.

and yeah, children have been bastards for years. society hasn't changed.

[Rook]

I'm still going to stick with my dictum that you should treat everyone else the way you'd hope they treat you.
This. From my own experience however, it's one of two things which get aggresive people unreasonably angry.

If it was me, I'd just pretend I couldn't hear them. This might sound obvious/cold, and it does tend to earn a couple more insults/death threats, but people tend to get bored after a while. An important point though: if you're going to try this, do not initiate eye contact, or say anything, no matter what. Once you do, the little buggers are much harder to shake off, and the persistent ones end up following you home. Needless to say, this is not a healthy scenario.

[Gabber-Baby]

This thread is making me so anrgy :mad: It really is making me want to go out and brick the first chav in the face....but i wont :angel:

I only ever mouth people if they mouth me...unless of course some girl eyes up my boyfriend, then hell breaks loose and people usually end up looking at me in disgust, tuttering at my foul language.

I remember when i walked to work once, at the same time all the 12 year old kids are walking to school. I was walking behind a group of lads who couldnt have been more than 13. One of them said -

"Yeah, that Leanne's well easy."

His friend replied -

"What? You had her then?"

He respondes -

"Nah, she gave me head innit."

I was absolutley disgusted, they havnt even hit bloody puberty yet. I would have loved to tell the parents of that little girl that a bunch of 12 year old boys were talking about how good their daughter's mouth is. Terrible :mad: I dont even think i knew about stuff like that when i was 12!

[gembird]

Think about that kid's life. There's a good chance that he's not well educated, comes from a broken home, isn't loved or cared for and is likely to stay that way unless he has some critical change in his life. He can look forward to empty relationships devoid of real meaning as he's never seen how positive one can be. He will have no drive to succeed or improve himself as he sees how his parent(s) went to school yet work some shitty shift job in a low-paid job. His 'friends', children in the same situation, don't actually have any affinity for each other. They gang together because they're all scared and it's nice not to be the only scared person.

I don't know about you but I just feel sorry for them.

I don't.

I'm sorry, but just because you come from a certain background does not give you any excuse to give others hassle. Until a year ago, I lived with my mum on a council estate known for being full of drugs, violence and burnt-out cars. I went to the roughest schools in the local area from the age of 10 to 18. In fact, my high school had the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the area (one girl had a kid at 12, by her 15 year old cousin *shudders*) which was so bad that girls would go out and get hassled by lads from other schools for sex because we were known for allegedly being easy. My dad left my mum for another woman while she was pregnant with me, and Mum has always had to have three minimum-wage jobs to be able to pay the rent because he didn't give her enough money. When I was little the house was always freezing cold because we couldn't afford proper heating, but there was always enough food and the bills were always paid. My family weren't abusive or anything like that, but my extended family expect my generation to leave school at 16 and get a full-time job, and staying in school meant they treated me as a child long after my cousin of the same age was treated as another adult.

That may have sounded like I'm whining about my upbringing, but I'm really not- I know where I come from, and I know that I'm going to end up a long way from there whilst still acknowledging the support I've always had from my mum and my grandparents.

Despite my relatively pikey upbringing- my family are rough as arseholes and are known as 'that gyppo family', for good reason as we do have gypsy blood somewhere- I am now doing a science degree at university three hours away from home. That's doing a hell of a lot better than those I went to school with- out of the kids my age at my old bus stop, one is married, at least one or two have kids and none of them have a full time job. One other guy is also at uni, but that's it.

So yeah, I come from nothing, and I feel I've made something of my life. I'm so proud of that, as I feel my degree will be so much more of an achievement than it would be for Barnaby Faffington-Smythe of Oxbridge. So although I get what you're saying, because I know a lot of people back home who are exactly how you described, I don't necessarily agree. Just because you haven't had the best upbringing doesn't mean you're going to go around hurling abuse at people who aren't like you. Everyone has their own conscience- parents are not the only influence on what you perceive as right and wrong. So every generation has a chance to change the way things go and become a good person; I hope that I've managed it despite my dad, and lots of kids from school, being unable to.

[Mister Qwerty]

It also happens to me on a daily basis. I am constantly called a 'dirty fucking greasy emo' because I have long hair...

[Evil-Muffin]

I only ever mouth people if they mouth me...unless of course some girl eyes up my boyfriend, then hell breaks loose and people usually end up looking at me in disgust, tuttering at my foul language.


HELL YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heheheheh.....

[faragher]

It also happens to me on a daily basis. I am constantly called a 'dirty fucking greasy emo' because I have long hair...Get a haircut. And a job.

Oh and gembird, your life story is a great one (and believe me, I can empathise with your situation pretty well...), but not everyone realises they have the opportunities that you have. When I was at school, we were told that we were either going to work in the pit or the factory. Then both of them closed.

Lots of young people get told that they will never amount to anything, and the only role models they have are people around them that have made very little of their lives. You wonder why people turn to crime? Its because the criminals have the nice cars and the flash cash. Why wouldn't you be a criminal if it was that or the minimum wage.

And it is true that there are out of control youth, but I'm not sure that going out to "brick the first chav in the face" is an appropriate solution - especially when you seem to also be implying that you are in some way better than them.

[Gabber-Baby]

If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

If you're an 18 year old lad who walks round with long wavy, shoulder length greasy hair with an ACDC t-shirt or something, then expect to get abuse. No offense by the way. Its happened to me :p

I think everyone may have gone through the "goth" stage. Well back in year 9, i was hardcore goth. I had the boots, the witch/victorian style dresses and tops, the black lippy etc etc, i knew what to expect when i walked about town so you gotta deal with it. Luckily that was just a phase and i think it's given me a tough outer shell from the all the abuse i used to get, from lads and girls. So you can understand kids who mouth off because you look different, but for kids who do it just for the sake of it, then yeah, they probably have family issues.

Although, having said that, i know people who have had shit up-bringings and have turned out fine, so i guess it depends on who you hang around with when you grow up, bad influences and such. That's if you're easily led i suppose. My old best mate was a slag to be honest, but ive grown up with morals and havnt followed her down that path, my best friend Dave does coke and pops a few pills now and then, but there's no way id do sniff or anything, just not my thing.

So kids these days are obviously easily influenced and just follow the trend of being mouthy little shits.

[albie_123]

In this thread, with the rate of "I am so much better than everyone" going on, Albie just might fit in.

Probably not though, since he is so much better than everyone.

[faragher]

So kids these days are obviously easily influenced and just follow the trend of being mouthy little shits.Whereas you just followed the trend of being a moody little shit.

OH ZING!

I don't think being a mouthy little shit is a trend, most yoof go through that stage, whether they realise it or not. I don't think that some tracksuit wearer telling me to "fuck ur mum" is any worse than some geek trying to be clever and "witty". At least those miserable goth bastards tend not to interact with you.

Nost kids are, and have always been, and will always be, onoxious little fucktards. And the ones that aren't are just annoying precocious (sp?) little shits. Its a fact of life.

[ZekeyLizard]

You should have knocked him out cold. Barbaric yes, but clearly his parents don't hit him.

[Gabber-Baby]

Whereas you just followed the trend of being a moody little shit.

I dont think ive ever followed a trend because of the people i hang out with(by trend i mean look). If you mean me being a moody little goth, then that was no trend. I actually lost friends cos of my taste in music/fashion/beliefs as i was the only person like that in my school basically, and my "friends" were too embarressed to be seen with me. Fucking pricks.

So my point is, if you're eaily influenced and you hang around with mouthy chavs who wear tracksuits, drink stella and have staffordshire bull terriers at their feet, then you're gonna try and be the same. If one chav starts listening to metal, i guarentee the group would follow that "trend".

So i mean, a group of 14 year old boys are gonna try and copy each other by being loud and mouthy. Even the most quiet one in the group would try and be a prick, just to fit in and to stop the piss getting taken out of him by the others :p

[JebblehMooo]

You should have knocked him out cold. Barbaric yes, but clearly his parents don't hit him enough.

Fixed. :eng101:

[Ferg]

Get a haircut. And a job.


First of all what does that have to do with anything?

Get a haircut.


Secondly by saying this are you implying that to avoid having abuse hurled at you by chavs, you should cut your hair? Is this because you would then stand out less, therefore giving them less of a reason to harass you? Or is it because if you look more like them, with their short hair and tracksuits, then they'll again have less of a reason to annoy you?

If those were the reasons for your statement then I think you've missed the point a bit. People shouldn't have to change their appearance by cutting their hair or wearing different clothes to avoid being harrassed. They just shouldnt be randomly verbally abused in the first place. Everyone has a right to individuality and excercising this right isn't wrong, supressing it so that you don't get insulted is. Although obviously whats most wrong is having unprovoked abuse thrown at you by randoms in the street.

Maybe I went a bit of topic there with the individulaity thing, but never mind :p


Back on topic :D I agree with Gabber-Baby in that they hurl abuse because their mates do it. Also they believe they gain some kind of social prestige by being complete fucktards to random people on their street. Which, unfortunatley in their twisted little social group, they probably do.

[midas22]

Puch him down a flight of stairs, thats what i did. Only got suspended for 4 days...

[Katie_D]

Puch him down a flight of stairs, thats what i did. Only got suspended for 4 days...

Yes because I'm totally sure violence and abuse will solve the problem.

You massive hypocrite.

[Felix Barry]

What's wrong with society..... Hmmm....

Well I'd like to call people's attention to fights.... Simple tussles among people over various everyday issues....

I've grown up in inner city Dublin.... Not exactly the best place to learn manners, or get a job that leads to you leaving and never coming back.... But fights were a regular occurance on my street.... Simple tussles, were one lad would fight the other until the point where there was no point in fighting anymore (which was usually when one person had had enough....

But on day, and I'll remember it forever.... 2 of my mates were fighting.... And we were all doing the schoolboy thing of "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" or in Dublinese "FOI! FOI! FOI!".... Then some lad simply comes along wearing a pair of golf cleats and stamps on one lad's head.... Everyone actually stopped and said "what are ya doin?"....

Society up until that point was one were one could walk down the street and not be bothered by anyone.... And if someone walked into you, you could say "watch where you're goin!"....

Nowadays, you can't say boo to people without first wondering if the person is carrying a knife (or even a gun).... You potentially can get attacked for any reason what so ever.... And it generally isn't just a couple of punches....

Why have fights gone from "who's going to win?" to "Who's gonna come out of the fight worse off".... This rant was spawned by hearing that an old friend of mine died from getting his skull stomped into fluid by a group of lads who didn't like the fact that he was new to the area.... RIP Pete....

PS. I hope all that made some sort of sense.....

[El Fisho]

If those were the reasons for your statement then I think you've missed the point a bit. People shouldn't have to change their appearance by cutting their hair or wearing different clothes to avoid being harrassed. They just shouldnt be randomly verbally abused in the first place. Everyone has a right to individuality and excercising this right isn't wrong, supressing it so that you don't get insulted is. Although obviously whats most wrong is having unprovoked abuse thrown at you by randoms in the street.

Maybe I went a bit of topic there with the individulaity thing, but never mind :p

If you want to be stand out in a crowd and be individual, thats great you do that. But by doing so you are inviting attention from others, and you can't expect all that attention to be good.

In regard to the original anecdote of this thread, trying to get on moral high ground over a 12 year old is a bit off. Kids have always been cheeking bastards, I know I was one (perhaps not that bad). By all means inform him of that hes being a prick if you feel so strongly, but ranting to others about his behavior isn't going to help.

It may be true that society has degenerated a bit, but perhaps addressing the root cause of that (i.e. sweeping poverty/deprivation/social exclusion under the metaphorical rug rather than addressing it), rather than the symptom which is a 12 year old a bit pissed off with the world at that precise moment, would be more helpful.


Edit: sorry the general grammar and clarity is terrible, end of half term fatigue.

[faragher]

StuffI think you missed the lack of seriousness in my post.

You are absolutely right that everyone has a right to individuality. However, I'm not sure that your right to long hair is any different to another persons right to comment on it.

If you really want to spend your life not conforming then you'd better get used to unpleasantness, because being called names is going to be the least of your worries. And i'm not talking about the getting into the odd fight, I'm talking about people not hiring you, or being asked to leave bars, or people not taking you seriously in certain areas of life.

Fair or not, that's the cost you pay for wanting to be an individual, and that is your choice to make. Either live with the stick, or get a haircut. :p

[midas22]

Yes because I'm totally sure violence and abuse will solve the problem.

You massive hypocrite.

Did i mention he was a chav?

[faragher]

Did i mention he was a chav?Is that supposed to make it alright?

[Mister Qwerty]

I think you missed the lack of seriousness in my post.

You are absolutely right that everyone has a right to individuality. However, I'm not sure that your right to long hair is any different to another persons right to comment on it.

If you really want to spend your life not conforming then you'd better get used to unpleasantness, because being called names is going to be the least of your worries. And i'm not talking about the getting into the odd fight, I'm talking about people not hiring you, or being asked to leave bars, or people not taking you seriously in certain areas of life.

Fair or not, that's the cost you pay for wanting to be an individual, and that is your choice to make. Either live with the stick, or get a haircut. :p
Erm...you were actually talking about me first of all...not Ferg...

[Ferg]

Of course people have a right to comment on your individuality, what i meant was you shouldn't be singled out and verbally abused and etc just because you don't conform to their standards of what a person should look like. Unfortunatley at a younger age, this is what happens. If you don't dress like the majority then you'll be singled out for bullying.

Also I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with the people refusing to hire you and people throwing you out of bars... I mean sure if you express your individuality by not washing or wearing a tshirt that says 'i kill baby ducks' then you'll expect that to happen. But really, I dont think you'll be thrown out of a bar just for having long hair :p

Plus i wasn't talking about not conforming to society or anything like that, I was basically just saying that it should be ok to walk the streets without looking like a chav and not be harassed.


Originally Posted by El Fisho
If you want to be stand out in a crowd and be individual, thats great you do that. But by doing so you are inviting attention from others, and you can't expect all that attention to be good.

I know that in reality you can't expect people not to single you out due to the way you look, I just mean that i don't think it's right that they throw abuse at you because of it.

I dunno... I think I kinda of phrased it all badly :D

Edit:
Originally Posted by Mister Qwerty
Erm...you were actually talking about me first of all...not Ferg...

This is true... I don't even have long hair. I was just defending his right to it :) ... I think... my posts have lost all meaning. I'll be quiet.

[El Fisho]

I know that in reality you can't expect people not to single you out due to the way you look

QED.

It may not be right, but its the way it is.

[Katie_D]

Did i mention he was a chav?

Do you really think this justifies the violence used?

Would it be okay for me to scissor kick a mosher/greebo because that's the physical appearance they choose to have?

Yeah that's right....scissor kick.

[jonffm]

Guy guys guys...(and girls.)

End of is...why would ANYONE take abuse from chavs personally? They call their own mates "dickhead"...roughly translated, the line in the opening post was probably something like... "Good day sir, jolly nice weather isn't it?"

Whenever I have had abuse from chavs, I can never help but laugh at them. Partly because of the lack of creativity and usual lack of bite behind said barking, but MOSTLY because nearly all of these guys are going to be McDonald lifers that will die from various heart conditions in their mid-40's amidst a sea of their own garbage and offspring.

That, is what I call, a divine comedy. What they want to do with their life is their business. If they want to provoke beatings (and no doubt get a few over the years), drink themselves to death and ruin any chance of a respectable career, that's their bag - baby.

But really. Take things with a pinch of salt here. Chavs are no different than any other group of 'individuals'. Goth, chav, mosher, geek, ect ect....they just add variety in the otherwise rather drab sea of nobodys.

With the violence thing...I think you're within your rights to gives someone abit of a slap if they're actually provoking said reaction. Frankly, little good other than a possible inflated feel of self-worth will come from it, but some people simply aren't going to take verbal nor physical abuse without retaliating - and I don't think there is much wrong with that. Personally, it's not my weapon of choice, but each to their own.

[Martinus]

I guess my motivation (irrespective of it's apparent lack of popularity) is in some ways driven by my outlook in life; if I die tomorrow I can die saying 'holy shit, you know I'm pretty proud of what I've done here in my short span'.

It's that or regret over hating someone who may simply not know any better. At the end of it all you can only really appease one person: Yourself.

[Youlikeyams?]

It's because they have nothing better to do.
Keep your head high and just act like they're not there. You're better than them, and they don't deserve your attention. :)

[Hydralisk]

Fuck, neds on the bus wouldn't stop harassing the passengers, eventually half the bus (myself included, because I vaugely knew them) stood up and collectively told them to can it or wait for the next bus.

They shut up pretty quickly.

The point is, most Neds/chavs won't bother you if they are outnumbered/alone, it is only when they get in packs that they start to become a bother.

Well, OK, you get the occasional trackie-donning nutter who will try to "take on aaw ye cunts", but the rule above applies for 98% of them.

[piemastermike]

in response to the first post: if this is the first time it's happened to you then you've lived a pretty fucking sheltered life. I could tell you stories but I wont.

[Erskien_Parkour]

It's because they have nothing better to do.
Keep your head high and just act like they're not there. You're better than them, and they don't deserve your attention. :)

Unless you have a flamethrower handy.

[Youlikeyams?]

Obviously.

[bionic sheep]

You guys do realise that this lofty, holier-than-thou attitude is probably what gets you picked on in the first place, right?

[Smokey]

Shock horror, some people are dicks.

I wish I'd been born 30 years earlier when children were better behaved around adults cos they got a clip round the ear.

[LeoZ]

lol yeah children were better behaved 30 years ago when punk was in full swing :rolleyes:

[faragher]

You guys do realise that this lofty, holier-than-thou attitude is probably what gets you picked on in the first place, right?
^this

I wish I'd been born 30 years earlier when children were better behaved around adults cos they got a clip round the ear.
This is not a collapse of society issue, it has always been happening. I was doing pretty much the same thing about 20 years ago (lol old), and if you read some "Just William" books, or maybe Oliver Twist, you will see that there is a pretty strong history of kids being arseholes.

Maybe read the thread, ya?

[shoopieshooz]

lol your thinking too hard, just say "Iknow you are, but what am I" this is the language that they understand.
little sod's are certainly not timid creatures, rapidly growing in numbers and are about for 23 hours of the day but aren't nocturnal =P

[Svelter]

Dye your hair.

I've never been called 'brownie'.

[Gabber-Baby]

I dont like the fact that people who stand up for themselves against yobs also get called a chav *ahem* :rolleyes:

It annoys me that anyone who has an inch of self-defense is classed as a mouthy shit/chav!

People who cant take care of themselves keep their mouth shut when a prick starts hurling abuse at them. People who DO know how to look after themselves wont take it and will give them a mouthful back - like me and my boyfriend. Does that make us chavs? Er no.

Fucking pisses me right off. Its people who are too "nice" or too "scared" to say anything that let the chavvy bastards think they can get away with it and do it again. I wouldnt class myself as a chav just because i have a mouth and know how to use it.

This has gotten me in a right shitty mood now. Arghghghghgh! :mad:

[Loogie]

I dont like the fact that people who stand up for themselves against yobs also get called a chav *ahem* :rolleyes:

It annoys me that anyone who has an inch of self-defense is classed as a mouthy shit/chav!

People who cant take care of themselves keep their mouth shut when a prick starts hurling abuse at them. People who DO know how to look after themselves wont take it and will give them a mouthful back - like me and my boyfriend. Does that make us chavs? Er no.

Fucking pisses me right off. Its people who are too "nice" or too "scared" to say anything that let the chavvy bastards think they can get away with it and do it again. I wouldnt class myself as a chav just because i have a mouth and know how to use it.

This has gotten me in a right shitty mood now. Arghghghghgh! :mad:
From a looking after yourself perspective, it's actually probably better to keep your mouth shut and your head down. On the other hand, nobody should take that lying down.

I'd have dragged the little axe-wound to his mother, inform her of his smoking habit and language, and if she knows already/doesn't care, you could always call social services (even if you don't, the desired effect isn't to have her kid taken off her, just to scare the shit out of her).

Although all that seems like a bit too much effort... you could just stare at him until he gets freaked out.

[Gabber-Baby]

From a looking after yourself perspective, it's actually probably better to keep your mouth shut and your head down. On the other hand, nobody should take that lying down.

I'd have dragged the little axe-wound to his mother, inform her of his smoking habit and language, and if she knows already/doesn't care, you could always call social services (even if you don't, the desired effect isn't to have her kid taken off her, just to scare the shit out of her).

Although all that seems like a bit too much effort... you could just stare at him until he gets freaked out.


Well if the kid who is giving you abuse is young enough then yeah, you'd ignore him but im talking about the idiots who are 18+ years old. And i dont dont know about your area but if you just stared at someone here, then you'd get smacked. So its not a case of "freaking them out" because that just wont work. I do find that if you do stare at someone who's giving you dirty looks, they're more likely to look away before you are.

But yeah i do see your point of keeping your mouth shut is sometimes the best bet, you just dont know who's out there these days, they could be a complete nut job and stab you good n proper if you say anything back to them so you do have to be careful if you are gonna stand up for yourself.