Wherewolf? - The Dead

[malcolio]

This thread is for those that were playing or wish to play the Wherewolf? game. If you've been eliminated from the game, want to join the next game or want to discuss anything to do with the game, do so here! :)

Games so far:

Wherewolf? - Game 1 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73142) Narrated by malcolio, won by the werewolves (IM).
Wherewolf? - Game 2 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73485) Narrated by malcolio, won by the werewolves (IM).
Wheregang? - Game 3 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73935) Narrated by malcolio, won by the gangsters (IM).
Wherewolf? - Game 4 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73934) Narrated by Iball, won by the werewolves (IM).
Angels and Demons - Wherewolf? Game 5 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=74369) Narrated by doctor_fruitbat, won by the civilians (UM).
Pirates and Ninjas - Wherewolf? Game 6 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=74722) Narrated by happy-go-lucky, won by the pirates (UM).
Wherewolf? Game 7 - Fairytales (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=75011) Narrated by Syl, won by the civilians (UM).
Angels And Demons now with added King Arthur - Wherewolf? Game 8 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=75638) Narrated by hicks, won by the civilians (UM).
Liberating Cityopolis - Wherewolf? Game 9 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?p=2109470&posted=1#post2109470) Narrated by doctor_fruitbat, won by the agents (IM).
'Allo 'Allo! - Wherewolf? Game 10 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=77361) Narrated by malcolio, won by the Communist Resistance Girls (UM).
Wherewolf? 11 - Gothy City (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=77727) Narrated by happy-go-lucky, won by the villains (IM).
Wherewolf? 12 - Paranoia (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=78295) Narrated by argh/Small Fry, won by the civilians (UM).
Wherewolf? Game 13 - A Banker's Dozen (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=78718) Narrated by harryashfield, won by the dole scum (IM).
Wherewolf? - Game 14 - [FOUNDATION] (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=79196) Narrated by Vercci/Turkey Sandwich, won by the civilians (UM).
Wherewolf? - Game 15 (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=79899) Narrated by malcolio.
Wherewolf? - Game 16 To be narrated by Small Fry.
Wherewolf? - Game 17 To be narrated by TurkeySandwich.
Wherewolf? - Game 18 To be narrated by woodchip50.
Wherewolf? - Game 19 To be narrated by doctor_fruitbat.
Wherewolf? - Game 20 To be narrated by malcolio.
Wherewolf? - Game 21 To be narrated by harryashfield.
Wherewolf? - Game 22 To be narrated by Iball.
Wherewolf? - Game 23 To be narrated by JackCopsey.
Wherewolf? - Game 24 To be narrated by Turkey Sandwich.
Wherewolf? - Game 25 To be narrated by malcolio.
Wherewolf? - Game 26 To be narrated by doctor_fruitbat.
Wherewolf? - Game 27 To be narrated by Nimblewight.

Slang:

VTPAY: Vote The Player Above You, a common tactic to waste your vote without name-dropping.
Do an Ozzy: Revealing your role to the rest of the players, either because you've given up (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=1967926&postcount=205), or you want to help your side before you die (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2244047&postcount=246).
Do a malcolio: To kill off a fellow werewolf (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2075797&postcount=262).

Out of 14 games, 7 have been won by the Uninformed Majority, whilst 7 have been won by the Informed Minority.

[the last sheika]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2208/thelastsheikayp0.png

I told you so. You guys got so pwned. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Oh wait, I'm dead.

EDIT: You did get something inaccurate. I said I was suspicious, not that I was a werewolf.

[malcolio]

By the way, if anyone has any suggestions for improving the game, feel free to post them here. :)

For instance, what do people think of the 10pm voting deadline? Does it need to be pushed back, forwards, or got rid of?

[Eschaton]

You can sign me up for the next game I suppose. I'll post back if I can't make it though.

[Syl]

Yes, I have some. More roles!
I've got the original game from 999games and it has so many fun fun roles ^_^

Example:

- The witch: She's got 2 potions; one to kill and one to cure. The witch will receive a pm on who the victim will be and may then choose if she wants to use (one of) her potions.
Naturally, the potions can only be used once.

- The angel of protection: has the power to protect one person other than himself every night, without knowing who the victim will be.

And ofcourse, I want to join in on the next round.



Edit: This game seems a lot different from the 999games Werewolves game with every new post I read. However, the basics are the same...

[malcolio]

Yeah, there seems to be hundreds of different roles you can have in the game, roles that either help the civilians or help the detectives, some roles that can switch sides, etc etc!

I think I will see how many people are playing the next game, before adding in too many different roles, try and keep it simple. Also it's hard to tell how balanced the game is between the werewolves and civilians, so maybe the first few games should just have the 3 roles, and see how fair it is. :)

BTW, what do people think of the werewolves being allowed to choose two victims, instead of one, per night? If they all choose the same two players then they get two kills, but if basically means that they have a better chance of killing at least one victim. I have played this game with the werewolves being very good at secretly choosing their victim, so I don't know if it just takes experience or not. Opinions?

[the last sheika]

Remind me: are the wolves supposed to be able to communicate through PMs, or are they just meant to guess what the others are thinking?

[malcolio]

They're meant to communicate in the same thread as everyone else, so hint at who their victim will be without the civilians noticing. Although I might have to change that rule. :D

[Syl]

I'd change it into communication through PM's.
Otherwise there's too much miscommunication.

[Iball]

That's the point, Syl: if the werewolves can just PM each other, they have no real need to talk in the thread (except to rebuff civilian acusations) and it'd only be a matter of time before they killed every civ. Without PMs, they HAVE to speak in the thread, and not only that but drop names too. This means that many more people will be talking, and suddenly a civilian who is just trying to figure out who's a werewolf, could be mistakenly thought of as a werewolf subtly indicating his choice of target for the night to his fellow monsters.

Anyway, count me in for the next game. :D

[malcolio]

It depends on the size of the game and the experience of the players. If there's (say) four werewolves, it's that much harder for all four to agree to the same victim. If there is only three but with about 15 civilians, they will find it easier to talk without being spotted.

If the werewolves can just PM who they want to kill, it might still be that they all choose the same victim, but the potential is there for three people to die each night. In any case, if I made it so that you could just choose your victim by PM, I'd have only three werewolves max, even with a large number of players. But I've got to think about it, and see how this game goes!

[Zhyl]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2699/zhylfd1.png

I tried to tell you guys...

[Ozzylator]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7628/ozzylatoror0.png

I wonder who this could have been...

[Zhyl]

I only got to know the identity of one of the remaining citizens, which was annoying. I was going to use the silence to get a more *ahem* informed decision. Things are getting tense :P

[the last sheika]

The werewolves are doing pretty good...

[Zhyl]

They got their act together at last, which is bad news for us all. Well, maybe not us specifically.

[Shalashaska]

Whoa. We screwed up there.

[Ozzylator]

I dunno. I'm the latest to go, and guess who I was nominating pretty steadfastly... Indeed accusing right up until the moment of my death.

[malcolio]

For those that are dead and are twiddling their thumbs until the next game, do you have any feedback on Game 1? Rules you think might be tweaking, etc? For instance, I'm thinking of not bothering with unique pictures, just I tell everyone what the player was through narration, and I trust you guys to not lie about what role you took. :D

For the next game, I'm thinking of making each 'Day' last 48 hours and end at 24:00 GMT. Otherwise I think the rules work ok, but feel free to declare otherwise! :D

[Zhyl]

I would be in favour of scrapping pics. They were nice but as you said, you can tell what they were via narration.

48 hour day seconded.

I hope the next game will have more people in it :)

[Smowy]

Pics are slightly pointless.
Another problem is it's just "bandwagon." There's no logic involved to be honest, since none of the other wolves bothered trying to communicate.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6933/smowyal1.png

[woodchip50]

well, im applying for the next game, i played this in school with my drama class, twas a spectacularly fun game!

and with the 48 hour days then i'll be able to fit revision around it!

[malcolio]

Pics are slightly pointless.
Another problem is it's just "bandwagon." There's no logic involved to be honest, since none of the other wolves bothered trying to communicate.
I don't know, I think they're getting their act together. :) In the next game I imagine more players will abstain rather than vote without evidence, so I might limit the number of abstains you can make.

Glad to have you on board woodchip50. A few members have asked to join the next game already, so it should be a big one. :)

[Ozzylator]

Oh man, the werewolf pic is awesome. Why can't the civvies have that?

Oh, and can I be dealt in again next round? This is fun.

[Angus Mcsucksuck]

Can i join the next round :)
This seems like a real fun game to play.

[malcolio]

Oh man, the werewolf pic is awesome. Why can't the civvies have that?

Oh, and can I be dealt in again next round? This is fun.If the civilians had that pic it might get a bit confusing. :D I thought the mob pic was ok, a nice rowdy group of peasants with pitch-forks! I enjoyed making the pics, but then I enjoy narrating the game even more, so it's not much of a loss!

And yeah, groovy to have you on board again. :)

Can i join the next round :)
This seems like a real fun game to play. Sure, more the merrier. :)

I will post up a list of players who are in Game 2 nearer the time, but by the looks of things it won't be long before Game 1 ends!

[Small Fry]

OK, I have no real idea how to play, but I am liking what I am reading. I shall read up on the ruley thingys and hopefully malcolio will let me join :D

[Charming]

I want to play again when the time comes! :D Pretty please?

[Shalashaska]

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7707/shalashaskana9.png

Put me down for the next game.

The remianing werewolf, who I know, is completely screwed. They are doing really bad at nothing being obvious.

EDI: HeywhatthehellIlooklikeawoman.

[malcolio]

OK, I have no real idea how to play, but I am liking what I am reading. I shall read up on the ruley thingys and hopefully malcolio will let me join :DSure you can. The rules are long but their worth it. :)

I want to play again when the time comes! :D Pretty please?Sure, good to have you on board. :)

Put me down for the next game.

The remianing werewolf, who I know, is completely screwed. They are doing really bad at nothing being obvious.

EDI: HeywhatthehellIlooklikeawoman.It was the best black and white picture of a gypsy I could find, most male gypsys look more freaky than mystical. :D


Btw, due to the number of players in the next game I'm worried that it'll be near impossible for all the werewolves to agree on one victim in the first few stages of the game. Even if they are good at secretly communicating with each other there would be so many werewolves that it's likely one of them would disagree with the rest. So an idea for a change of rules is that, while each werewolf can only choose 1 victim per night, they only need a majority to kill someone, much like lynching. If there's a tie then nobody is killed. Gives the werewolves a bit of a break. (If that had been implemented in this game the werewolves would have won by now!) :D

[scram]

I'll join the next game.

[malcolio]

Groovy glad to have you on board. :) Sounds like this next game is going to be big, should be a fun one!

OK, another couple of possible rule changes:

Having it that only a majority of members are needed to make a vote valid. So if 6 people out of 10 vote, and in that 6, 5 vote the same way, that player will be lynched, even though normally 5 votes wouldn't be a majority out of 10 players. This new rule makes lynching easier and will let civilians kill even if a few miss the deadline.

Another rule is to make it that werewolves and gypsies PM during the 'Day' who they want to kill/find the identity of, rather than wait until 'Night'. That will give them the same deadline as civilians, and speed up the game.

Feedback on these (and earlier) rule changes?

[Shalashaska]

I don't think you should have a day as 48 hours. Too long.

[Zhyl]

I'm in for #2.

I think that it should be a majority of wolves and not just a majority of the votes, as it would be for civilians, but I think that was the plan anyway. Carry on.

[malcolio]

I don't think you should have a day as 48 hours. Too long.It would make the game long, yeah, but going what's happened in the first game, 2 days are needed for most people to vote. If I'd had it at only 1 day the game wouldn't be as fun. Plus to make up for the fact that the Days will be longer, I'm making Night extremely quick. :)

I'm in for #2.

I think that it should be a majority of wolves and not just a majority of the votes, as it would be for civilians, but I think that was the plan anyway. Carry on.I'm pretty sure I know what you mean...but could you give me an example?

[Zhyl]

Say there are 4 wolves and only 3 out of the 4 vote on a given night. Now if 2 voted for one person and the third person votes for someone else, under the citizen system this would constitute a kill but for the wolves it should result in a no-kill.

Edit: would it also help if the citizens had a default vote. This would mean that if they do not vote during the day, they automatically vote for who they did last time. I think it has to potential to make things more interesting.

[esquilax]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1008/esquilaxza2.png
*bleed bleed*

[malcolio]

Say there are 4 wolves and only 3 out of the 4 vote on a given night. Now if 2 voted for one person and the third person votes for someone else, under the citizen system this would constitute a kill but for the wolves it should result in a no-kill.

Edit: would it also help if the citizens had a default vote. This would mean that if they do not vote during the day, they automatically vote for who they did last time. I think it has to potential to make things more interesting.Ah, I get what you mean. :) Yeah, I want the werewolves to have it a bit easier when there are many of them, but not so easily that they can be slack. I think in the werewolf voting, if a werewolf hadn't voted it would count as a vote for a different victim than what the other werewolves had chosen.

As for your other idea, I'm not sure about it. As in, I can't get my head around the pros and cons. :D I think I'll look back on a few other games I've played, and see how it would have affected the games if they had had your rule. Otherwise, it might help the werewolves too much, if they 'accidentally' don't post in a Day, and claim that they didn't mean to kill a discovered gypsy, as their vote was automatically given to them.

[Ozzylator]

Oooh, esquilax is down. That means it's down to Charming, TJ and PBM?

One wolf, two survivors, but will the last two work it out? It comes right down to the wire, now. If they don't get the wolf, he wins.

[Shalashaska]

If you don't win, I hate you. I died to kill Smowy.

Died

And lol, Esquilax had a slow, painful death.

[friendly spoon]

Just out of interest, how many players have we got for the next game?

[Zhyl]

Being a gypsy I know that one of the remaining three is innocent. This gives me a 50/50 guess at the wolf.

Also we need a new name to show its a different game. I don't want to go down the "wherewolf 2" road.

[malcolio]

The following players have signed up for the next game:

Angus Mcsucksuck
Charming
Eschaton
Iball
nub
Ozzylator
scram
Shalashaska
Small Fry
Syl
woodchip50
Zhyl

That's 12 players, which is a groovy number of people to have in game. :) Once the first game has ended I will give people a few days to sign up, let people give feedback on the current rules and rule changes, then start the second game.

[Zhyl]

All the players have voted now.

[malcolio]

All the players have voted now.Indeed they have, and it looks like everyone is pretty decided too. Seeing as I'm going to be away from the 'net until the end of the weekend I'll finish the game now then...

Here's a clearer version of the rules changes I will implement in the next game. Let me know what you think!

Limited Abstains. Each player may only abstain twice in a game when it comes to lynching. If a majority of people vote to abstain then nobody is lynched that day. If a player tries to abstain but has already done so twice, their vote will not count. This rule stops civilians just not killing anyone for the first few days, which would make things hard for the werewolves and the game boring!
48 Hour day. Each 'Day' will last 48 hours, voting ending at 12pm GMT.
Night.Werewolves and Gypsies will now send me who they want to kill/know the identity of during 'Day'. They are free to change their minds but as soon as Day is over that is it. This speeds up game play and makes up for 'Day' being 48 hours long. 'Night' will therefore only take however long it is to tally up votes and make the narration.
Civilian voting. Not all players need to vote in order to lynch someone. If more than half of the players vote, then they can still kill someone if those players find a majority. EG: There are 10 players, but only 8 vote in time. Out of those 8, a player receives 5 votes. Normally this wouldn't be a majority out of 10 players, but it is out of 8 and so that player is lynched!
Werewolf Voting. To make it easier on the werewolves in the first stages of the game they only need a majority, like the civilian's vote, to choose a victim to kill. If there is a tie nobody dies, and unlike the civilian's vote it must be a true majority. EG: Out of 4 werewolves 3 choose the same player as a victim, so that player is killed! If out of those 4 werewolves, 1 hadn't voted in time and only 2 agreed on a victim, then nobody would be killed.

Let me know if any of that doesn't make sense. ;)

[woodchip50]

hot dang, i canna wait until the games begin!

i like the wearwolf voting idea, i could see the problem but wasn't sure how to fix but that will be good!

[Smowy]

I dont get the abstaining rule.
I might sign up for the third game.

[Small Fry]

Will the new game be in the same thread as the old one or a new thread altogether?

[happy-go-lucky]

I would like to sign up please :)

Edit: Also Russell Brand is talking about this game right now on the radioooo=p

[Taekwon-joe]

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6818/taekwonjoear7.png
Rarr!!!

Sign me up for the next one

[Shalashaska]

Just to say again, sign me up. :)

[Mudkipz]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2590/piebadgermanej5.png

Ohh well, that wraps up the first game
Sign me up for the next. :)

[Zhyl]

I dont get the abstaining rule.
I might sign up for the third game.

If you abstain you are adding your person to the total of voters, but not adding a vote either way. Thus, if 5 people voted and 3 are going for one person (person A), then that person would normally be killed. If someone who was not voting before abstains, we now have 6 people in total voting and so the 3 people voting to lynch person A will no longer have the majority and no-one will be lynched.

To stop the system being furred up, they are only allowed two abstains. We don't like furries (although I did tactically abstain to no effect in that last game).

[malcolio]

Will the new game be in the same thread as the old one or a new thread altogether?I'll create a new thread for the second game this evening, but keep this Dead thread going.

I would like to sign up please :)

Edit: Also Russell Brand is talking about this game right now on the radioooo=pGroovy having you on board, and that's slightly freaky. :D What's his take on the game?

I dont get the abstaining rule.
I might sign up for the third game.Zhyl gets it. If you're not clear on who to kill it's best to abstain, for instance in the first game Pie-Badger-Man went to his death for no reason at all!

Updated list on those who have signed up:

Angus Mcsucksuck
Charming
Eschaton
happy-go-lucky
Iball
nub
Ozzylator
Pie-Badger-Man
scram
Shalashaska
Small Fry
Syl
Taekwon-joe
woodchip50
Zhyl

New game thread with updated rules will be posted later, and I will start the game in a couple of days time to let more people sign up. :)

[Iball]

The rules look groovy, but I like Syl's idea of removing players who don't participate. Especially if you're a werewolf, having another werewolf not reply can't help much!

I shall do my best to help the citizens of Weeblston pull together to destroy the horrors lurking amongst them...or kill them all, if I'm a werewolf. I'm easy. :D

[dead]

I'd like to sign up for the next round please :)

[esquilax]

I'd like to sign up for the next round please :)

Aren't you just asking for it with your name, though? ;)

[malcolio]

I'd like to sign up for the next round please :)Cool, good to have you on board. :)

Esquilax, care for another game, or are you still playing zombie? :D

[Insanity BenBoy]

sign me up for game 3 :)

[malcolio]

sign me up for game 3 :)Will do. :)

[doctor_fruitbat]

Ooh, ooh, game 3 if I can! I love Werewolf so very much. It's the ultimate test of intelligence, cunning and guile. And I want more, gods dammit.

[Smowy]

Ooh, ooh, game 3 if I can! I love Werewolf so very much. It's the ultimate test of intelligence, cunning and guile. And I want more, gods dammit.

Not really, the only way I managed to get my message across was saying "x is suspicious also" and hoping the rest caught on. infact they didn't really suggest anyone at all.

[malcolio]

Not really, the only way I managed to get my message across was saying "x is suspicious also" and hoping the rest caught on. infact they didn't really suggest anyone at all.You're just a tad bitter about that game, aren't you? :p I'm surprised, you did win the game, and you did manage to kill a few people. For a first game I think it went quite well, as the games go on people will be more used to trickery etc, so the werewolves will have to be more cunning. :)

[happy-go-lucky]

Groovy having you on board, and that's slightly freaky. :D What's his take on the game?

He was talking about playing it in L.A. at a party. They had a little girl instead of a gypsie, and Matthew Morgan (his co-host) thought it was someone cheating and spent the whole game glaring at them :p

Also, in case I forget, can I sign up for game 3 now?

[malcolio]

He was talking about playing it in L.A. at a party. They had a little girl instead of a gypsie, and Matthew Morgan (his co-host) thought it was someone cheating and spent the whole game glaring at them :p

Also, in case I forget, can I sign up for game 3 now?Cool, I've only played this game on forums, it would be fun to play it as a party game type thing.

And yeah, the way I've made this game the next game might not start until 20 days from now, but no reason people can't sign up for it now. :)

[woodchip50]

Cool, I've only played this game on forums, it would be fun to play it as a party game type thing.

And yeah, the way I've made this game the next game might not start until 20 days from now, but no reason people can't sign up for it now. :)

unless you stared a second game now. then you could have two games on at once, anymore might be confusing but if you do this then sign me up to!

[Iball]

Wow, two games at once...yeah, I find one confusing as it is...

Howabout, ask around, see how many people are interested, and if there's a lot a people who aren't currently playing a game, that want to, then start another. Otherwise it might be the case of only one/two new people playing, and most people doing two games...I dunno.

[woodchip50]

have thought about it.

i cannot say if i would be able to play a second game as well as this one. depends on how much time i have - which isn't all that predictable - hmmm.

if a second is started up i may join...

but i will not be instigating the creation

[malcolio]

I get enough headaches playing 1 game, 2 might kill me. :D So I'll stick to 1 game at a time, unless there's a lot of people interested.

[Smowy]

You're just a tad bitter about that game, aren't you? :p I'm surprised, you did win the game, and you did manage to kill a few people. For a first game I think it went quite well, as the games go on people will be more used to trickery etc, so the werewolves will have to be more cunning. :)

Im not bitter, I thought it was fun.
But for the first day they didn't really say anything. Infact, they kept too much of a low profile for my liking, since people were starting to lynch people who didnt say much.

Any chance of me being in round 3?

[malcolio]

Im not bitter, I thought it was fun.
But for the first day they didn't really say anything. Infact, they kept too much of a low profile for my liking, since people were starting to lynch people who didnt say much.

Any chance of me being in round 3?That kinda worked to the werewolve's advantage. Being quiet might have meant they couldn't kill anyone, but it did mean there wasn't any evidence for the other civilians to go on.

And sure, more the merrier. :)

[Roxit]

I would like to join in on Game 3 please

[Small Fry]

Yeah, game 3 plzkthnxbai.

[woodchip50]

if game three is done after 2 then sign me up!

[Iball]

Damn

I can't believe I'm dead. This is an outrage! I suppose I'm glad that I managed to convince most people that I wasn't a werewolf so that I didn't get lynched. I defended my abstention idea to the end, and look forward to seeing if it pays off today. Perhaps I was targeted because I was clearly so smart and amazing (not to mention good looking)?

I hope my fellow surviving citizens can act quickly, lest more of you join my in horrendous death!

*Eats some chocolate*

The horror!




Oh yeah, I would definitely like to be in game 3, now: my schedule's all free. :D

[malcolio]

I would like to join in on Game 3 please
Yeah, game 3 plzkthnxbai.
if game three is done after 2 then sign me up!Cool, glad you all want to play. :)

Damn

I can't believe I'm dead. This is an outrage! I suppose I'm glad that I managed to convince most people that I wasn't a werewolf so that I didn't get lynched. I defended my abstention idea to the end, and look forward to seeing if it pays off today. Perhaps I was targeted because I was clearly so smart and amazing (not to mention good looking)?

I hope my fellow surviving citizens can act quickly, lest more of you join my in horrendous death!

*Eats some chocolate*

The horror!




Oh yeah, I would definitely like to be in game 3, now: my schedule's all free. :DI'm guessing in the next game you won't be so verbose? :D Thanks for signing up to Game 3. :)

[Shalashaska]

Yeah, shit.

I'm actually happy that I took woodchip with me. I would have wanted to kill him with a Destrukto like will.

[woodchip50]

well hopefully my death will help the many

i do follow utilitarianism after all. greatest good for greatest number. and even though i would rather be in the game...

preference util. is the way forwards!!!

and even if i died as long as the civillians win i will be happy

oh yeah, should say i was a civillian, yup a borig civillian no special powers :(

oh and also as long as shalashaska died with me :D

[Iball]

Well done Woodchip50, I never doubted your civilianess for a second. It shone through like a beacon of...stuff. :D

I thought you were a werewolf, Shalashaska, not only because you jumped on Angus at the start for no reason, but also because you then mentioned my name, which I'm glad the others picked up. malcolio's also kindly let me know who's who, and the fact that the five names I gave him before I was killed are in fact werewolves. So I'm slightly annoyed, to say the least, that I got killed so early. Still, well done Shalashaska: like me, you've taken a bullet for the team...or in this case, several pitchforks.

As for the third game: I may as well continue my excessive verbosity. If I'm a civilian again, then at least I have evidence to back up my previous argument that writing long posts doesn't mean I'm trying to hide in broad daylight as it were. If I'm a werewolf, then that'd be brilliant. :D

[Ozzylator]

If you're verbose for the sake of it, you might as well string yourself up to start with.

[Small Fry]

"I'd just like to say, without beating about the bush or not being clear and concise without alterior reason tha-" *Iball gets lynched*

That's the way it's gonna go :p

[Iball]

"I'd just like to say, without beating about the bush or not being clear and concise without alterior reason tha-" *Iball gets lynched*

That's the way it's gonna go :p

lol, that's great. :D

[Shalashaska]

Yeah, I sort of went crazy at the start and hoped that all the werewolves would use me as a sacrifice. I won't reveal whether they did or not, but it gave me some ideas, the most important of which is that I think for the day before the next game, all the werewolves should have a plae to work out a plan, then can't communicate outside the game afterwards.

Maybe an empty room in flashchat, so they can't be eavesdropped on?

[malcolio]

It's a good idea Shalashaska, but on what's happened in this game and the last one, I don't think the werewolves need it! You made a plan up as you went along and you managed to kill a civilian using it. Whatever plan the werewolves might make before the game starts if they could, I think it would be thrown out of the window as soon as the other players start trying to be detectives. :D

[Shalashaska]

What I'm saying is, it's too random. Have 5 werewolves as opposed tot he 6 next time, and then let them have a plan. It gives the civilians repetition to look for, and, if the werewolves use their time wisely, can add more depth to the game.

[malcolio]

The game is inherently random. To try and plan for what happens is a waste of time, besides what can be planned before the game can be made up during the game. It might be ad-hoc, but it takes into account what the other players are doing.

In any case, having one less werewolf won't be enough to balance this massive help you'd give the werewolves, plus why would the werewolves make a plan that is repetitive? Surely they'd plan something that the civilians can't spot? What I'm more worried about is that your idea will create the same problems as letting players use PMs etc, for the werewolves won't give any clues away during the game if they know full well who they are going to kill off.

[hicks]

No one listened to the innocent guy :p twas fun though im up for game 3, i think wolves will win this round

[argh]

May I please join the next game?

[malcolio]

For those that have signed up for Game 3 but haven't taken part in Game 2, would you want to take over a role in Game 2 if it becomes free? It might be we have some inactive members playing the game, and rather have their roles go to waste I'll offer them up to those who want them. :)

[woodchip50]

OMG! ZOMG! WOMG! OMFG!

PICK ME!!!!!!!!!!!

PICK ME!!!!!!!!!!!
ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME!

i want to be back in the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME!

[Small Fry]

Might be more fair giving it to someone who hasn't played yet :rolleyes:

[happy-go-lucky]

Haha calm down woodchip :p

[woodchip50]

yes, but even so

PICK ME!!

Haha calm down woodchip :p

but as exams are still going on i am in need of a life, my friends refuse to email me coz i will do no revision otherwise and i am craving the social interaction... sad i know but i was really enjoying werewolves :(

[malcolio]

Sorry woodchip50, I'm looking for people that haven't already been in the Game 2. As Small Fry said it would be unfair to those waiting to play for the first time, it would also make the game confusing with the same member playing two roles. That and a member who had played a werewolf couldn't rejoin the game as a civilian because they would know too much, same for gypsies.

And it's not definite there are any roles to give, anyway! I'm optimistic that inactive members might post. :)

[Ozzylator]

I'd quite like to be the narrator next game, if Malcolio wants a go of it.

[malcolio]

I'd quite like to be the narrator next game, if Malcolio wants a go of it.I don't know, I'll see how I feel once the current game starts winding down, I still have plenty of free time and energy to waste yet. :D But it'd be cool at some point to have you take over the reins for a while. :)

[Iball]

I would like to narrate as well, at some point this summer, but right now I'd actually like to just play a game for more than one day. In hindsight, I'm glad I typed so much, to make up for how little time I actually played it...

[Zhyl]

Well it's inherent in the game that some people are going to be bored quicker than others. I think maybe in the future have 2 games going on and then those that die early on in one will join the second one?

[malcolio]

That's a good idea Zhyl, not sure about having some from one game join the other as that would make it impossible to work out how to make the second game fair, and it'd be very confusing. :D

I can have a go at doing 2 games at once though, or I narrating one game and another person narrating the other (that would mean one narrator could be the player in the other game, and visa versa, which would make a nice change).

The reason why they take a long time though is each day lasts 48 hours. It's annoying but as shown in this game it's needed. You look at my posts half way through each game, and the most votes that had been so far were 8, out of 16 players! So I can't cut down on how long the Days, and therefore game, takes. Unless I only allow people who very eager to play and can gurantee being online every day, which would be unfair on those that can't.

Another reason for the length is how many players, but then the more players there are the more fun it is, so I don't really want to change that. :D

If anyone has any more ideas for improving the game though, keep them coming! :) For instance, what special characters do people want included in the next game(s), if at all?


Oh, and nub still hasn't posted, so if there is anyone who hasn't been in Game 2 but would like to be, let me know, as a role is now avaliable. :) EDIT: evil-flagpole has taken the role.

[doctor_fruitbat]

You had a good run, Ozzy, but I guess that first post hung over you the whole time. You did well to last as long as you did.

[Zhyl]

At least my reasoning skills managed to save me from lynching, if not from the wrath of them there wolves.

[Ozzylator]

Man I'm so cool

[woodchip50]

That's a good idea Zhyl, not sure about having some from one game join the other as that would make it impossible to work out how to make the second game fair, and it'd be very confusing. :D

I can have a go at doing 2 games at once though, or I narrating one game and another person narrating the other (that would mean one narrator could be the player in the other game, and visa versa, which would make a nice change).

The reason why they take a long time though is each day lasts 48 hours. It's annoying but as shown in this game it's needed. You look at my posts half way through each game, and the most votes that had been so far were 8, out of 16 players! So I can't cut down on how long the Days, and therefore game, takes. Unless I only allow people who very eager to play and can gurantee being online every day, which would be unfair on those that can't.

Another reason for the length is how many players, but then the more players there are the more fun it is, so I don't really want to change that. :D

If anyone has any more ideas for improving the game though, keep them coming! :) For instance, what special characters do people want included in the next game(s), if at all?


Oh, and nub still hasn't posted, so if there is anyone who hasn't been in Game 2 but would like to be, let me know, as a role is now avaliable. :) EDIT: evil-flagpole has taken the role.

kk

2 games at the same time - if you want to do two seperate narrators so you can have a go then you have several options iball, ozzylator and possibly me.. i would like to have a few more games first before i do it.

agree with 48 hour days! cannot be done another way.

hmm, i do not think the guardian angel thing would be a good idea as it isn't always too hard to predict who the wolves are going to kill so this would just possibly insure the citizens win...

mmm, but actually the person who can ask a dead person one question could be a good addition. - they could PM their question to the dead during the first 12 hours in a day and get a response from that person - then they can either have to try to subtly relay that info into the thread or the narrator could announce it.

if such a thing was possible then the dead person could say all their suspicions without fear of death as they are already dead...

[Iball]

Two games at once sounds like a good idea, although it may mean that both are smaller, and I think a bigger game might be more fun. Perhaps start a big game, then start a small one once a fair few people are out?

If more special characters are added, then to keep it balanced, you'd need to add one character that helps the civilians, and another that helps the werewolves.

[crab]

I'd love to play game 3, although not take over in game 2

[malcolio]

Two games at once sounds like a good idea, although it may mean that both are smaller, and I think a bigger game might be more fun. Perhaps start a big game, then start a small one once a fair few people are out?

If more special characters are added, then to keep it balanced, you'd need to add one character that helps the civilians, and another that helps the werewolves.Yeah, depending on how many people are playing, two smaller games might work better than one huge game, even if they're a bit less fun. But having those drop out start a new game might not work, it'll take a while before the next game would have the players needed.

I'd love to play game 3, although not take over in game 2Cool, glad you signed up. :)

For those that think the werewolves need a bit more help, how about this? At the start of each new day the narrator sends a PM to all werewolves, showing who they all asked to kill. It gives them an idea of what their fellow team-mates are thinking, while still making it that they have to communicate via the main game thread.

[Iball]

Yeah, depending on how many people are playing, two smaller games might work better than one huge game, even if they're a bit less fun. But having those drop out start a new game might not work, it'll take a while before the next game would have the players needed.

True, but I was thinking that something like this game would happen: you'd set it all up, then three people would want to play...so that after two Days, there'd be five people to play already. Like you say, waiting a week in real time is a while, but it's better than a month...

[malcolio]

True, but I was thinking that something like this game would happen: you'd set it all up, then three people would want to play...so that after two Days, there'd be five people to play already. Like you say, waiting a week in real time is a while, but it's better than a month...That would be problematic, making a game off the cuff like that, I think having 2 or 3 games start off at the same time would be better, they could be planned more and there would be a slim chance that anyone has to wait for a very long period of time. Unless you were rubbish at playing, and lynched/killed first in every game, but that would be harsh. :D

btw, what do people think of letting the werewolves see who they all voted for at the beginning of each day, via PM? It would let them know how well they were doing at giving hints as to who to kill, and find out why they didn't kill anyone (if that happened). :)

[Angus Mcsucksuck]

Hey man im sorry but i think im gonna give up my role.
I've been real busy recently and i keep on forgetting to post and stuff :/

I hope you can find someone eager and willing to fill the role.

[malcolio]

Hey man im sorry but i think im gonna give up my role.
I've been real busy recently and i keep on forgetting to post and stuff :/

I hope you can find someone eager and willing to fill the role.OK, if you're sure you can't make it I'll give someone else your role, but you've been a pretty good player so far! If you can post in the game thread for the current Day, that'll give me more time to find a replacement for you.

So if anyone wants to take over Angus's role, or any other role that might be going spare, let me know either here or via PM. :)

[Angus Mcsucksuck]

Actually i think i'll stay until the end. I just felt that because i've been pretty inactive i should give up my role to someone who would use it more but i reckon i should be here pretty much all the time now seeing as i just finished school.

Sorry to get some people excited.

[malcolio]

No worries, Taekwon-joe can't make it either, so we have one definite role up for grabs here. EDIT: argh has taken over Taekwon-joe's role. :)

Glad you're back in the game Angus. :)

[Mudkipz]

Ah, well. I guess my biggest.. BIGGEST downfall was just accusing Happy out of nowhere with nothing to back it up.
I was alittle too eager with that one. Obviously, and you guys caught up on it ^^ well done! So, Sorry guys, I wasn't a paranoid little civilian picking out names :) I was just really awful at finding a reason to condemn those I actually knew were wolves..You make good werewolves..And I think you know who you are.

No problems with the game from a gypsy point of view. I'll jump right in on the next one :)

[Ozzylator]

Now Eschaton, that's just cheating.

At least be cryptic.

[Eschaton]

Yeah I suppose it is cheap. I guess I'll wait to see what Malcolio says about it. If he gives it the ok to keep then I'll keep it up, if he does mind then I'll edit it out.

[malcolio]

I don't see anything wrong with it, the civilians can believe what you say or not, the werewolves can follow your last request or not. But then, it looks like happy-go-lucky is up for a lynching, not you. :D (This is going to be tricky fitting in the narration...!).

[Syl]

I kind of saw my death coming tbh.

I'm even surprised I made it this far! :D
I was wrong, it wasn't the game that had flaws. It was us, the players, that didn't understand enough of (this version of) the game.
For instance, dr fruitbat seems to believe a gypsy can only ask for an identity once, and uses this as a defence.

[malcolio]

For instance, dr fruitbat seems to believe a gypsy can only ask for an identity once, and uses this as a defence.There's only so many times I can tell people to read the rules of the game they're playing! :D

[doctor_fruitbat]

Yeah, sorry about that. :p Lesson learned.

[The Mna]

Everyone in round 2 needs to die so we can all get back in :p
Deal me in next round btw.

[malcolio]

Everyone in round 2 needs to die so we can all get back in :p
Deal me in next round btw.Don't worry, I reckon they'll be dropping pretty fast now. :D Glad to have you on board. :)

[Zhyl]

I have to say that things have developed into quite a climax. Still could go either way, methinks.

[malcolio]

I have to say that things have developed into quite a climax. Still could go either way, methinks.I'm glad it's worked out this way, I think the rules are fair enough that neither side has too much of an advatange. Otherwise it would be have been won fairly quickly, and would be pretty boring!

Sorry that I had to get rid of you minisheep, but even if you do want to play inactive players just spoil the game for everyone else!

[Eschaton]

Phew, I'm surprised I lasted this long but it was a fun game. I'd love to sign up for game 3. I promise, I (might) try not to cause drama in that game. It'll be interesting to see how this game ends up. It's a pretty close game right now.

[Small Fry]

Darn Eschaton. I swear they wouldn't have voted me off if you hadn't opened your gob :D

I think the civilians have got a good chance of winning, but yeah, it will be fairly close.

[malcolio]

OK, these are the rule changes I have in mind for the next game:


4 werewolves instead of 6, means it's harder to find the werewolves and easier for them to agree on a kill.
2 new special characters, any ideas on what they should be? (Ideally one is with the werewolves and the other is with the civilians). Wikipedia has a list of different roles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Game#Variations).
Let the werewolves know who wanted who killed in a PM at the beginning of each day. Let's them know how well they are picking up hints.


Feedback on the current rules and these possible rule changes would be groovy. :) Also, if anyone wants to run a game at the same time as mine that would be great, I think Ozzylator and Iball were interested?

Also also, this doesn't really effect the game mechanics, but I was thinking of changing my game to a different setting. Maybe gangsters versus civilians, or prisoners-of-war versus guards.

Here are some possible new special roles I had in mind. Let me know what you think:

On the Civilian side:
Doctor: Can ask for one player per Day to be protected from being killed by the werewolves during the next Night. That player is revealed to have been targeted but otherwise survives. The Doctor cannot protect themselves.
Posessed: Has the same powers of a werewolf, but only wins if the civilians win, therefore must try and disrupt the werewolve's plans. Other werewolves see him as an actual werewolf.
Oracle: Is also sent a PM at the beginning of each Day, showing who the unnamed werewolves voted for.

On the Werewolf side:
Master Werewolf: Is a normal werewolf, however if Gypsies ask for his real identity they will be told the Master Werewolf is a Civilian.
Traitor: Is a normal civilian, however only wins if the werewolves win. Therefore tries to stop the civilians from lynching werewolves.
Alpha Werewolf: Same as a normal werewolf, but has two votes instead of one when deciding who to kill.

Obviously some of the above work better in certain pairs, so either have both 'traitor' style roles, or have a Oracle and a Alpha Werewolf, etc.

[Small Fry]

It needs to be a 'setting' where the bad guys can hide among the good ones, so that it is narrated easily. If you're cool with it though, any of them would be good.

Some roles I think would work well are an assassin (on the civilians side, capable of killing one person of him/her choice) and an Alpha Wolf (a wolf who carries a double vote and is seen as a civilian if questioned by the gypsie). Just suggestions though, as I don't think the game really needs any more types of players :)

[malcolio]

It needs to be a 'setting' where the bad guys can hide among the good ones, so that it is narrated easily. If you're cool with it though, any of them would be good.

Some roles I think would work well are an assassin (on the civilians side, capable of killing one person of him/her choice) and an Alpha Wolf (a wolf who carries a double vote and is seen as a civilian if questioned by the gypsie). Just suggestions though, as I don't think the game really needs any more types of players :)Cool, an Assassin would be a bit of a wild card in the game, they could do more harm then good. :D And a werewolf with double the votes and appears as an Innocent would be pretty damn hard to kill...

I think the game works ok as it is, but I know some players want to jazz the game up a little, hence the special roles. If people are fine without extra roles that's pretty groovy though, as it means it's easier to balance the game out. :)

And I'm tempted to change it to a POW camp setting. Having a few traitors in the mist of an escape attempt would work pretty well I think. :)

[Zhyl]

I like the idea of the "traitor" classes, especially amongst the wolves. I think that I would prefer a doctor to an assassin, and an assassin to an oracle.

I would welcome a new setting, maybe in space or the ones you suggested.

Two games running side by side would also mean that one could be a bit more experimental in terms of new classes and stuff.

[Smowy]

Would a wolf be able to kill the traitor wolf? It would make for some interesting civil war.

[malcolio]

Would a wolf be able to kill the traitor wolf? It would make for some interesting civil war.Theoretically it would be hard to do so, as they wouldn't know who the traitor was. They could vote against the traitor when lynching though, or if they persuade the other werewolves they could kill the traitor I guess. It'd be pretty hard either way though!

Zhyl's idea of having one game kept simple and another game try out new roles sounds good, I'm tempted to leave the game I run as it is, but with the slight rule changes mentioned above. :)

[Syl]

Theoretically it would be hard to do so, as they wouldn't know who the traitor was. They could vote against the traitor when lynching though, or if they persuade the other werewolves they could kill the traitor I guess. It'd be pretty hard either way though!

Zhyl's idea of having one game kept simple and another game try out new roles sounds good, I'm tempted to leave the game I run as it is, but with the slight rule changes mentioned above. :)

You could also raise suspicion against the traitor werewolf.
"My vote goes to [innocentperson] because [reason]. I also have my suspicions on [traitorwerewolf] though."

[Iball]

I'm happy to narrate a simple game, to get me into the role. The werewolf theme is grand, but yeah, variety is the spice of life, and stuff...yeah.

[malcolio]

I'm happy to narrate a simple game, to get me into the role. The werewolf theme is grand, but yeah, variety is the spice of life, and stuff...yeah.Well put. :D Well cool, once Game 2 is over I'll set up Game 3 and you set up Game 4?

[Roxit]

Have a rule that wolves are able to turn 1 maybe 2 civilians during the game. The civilians get told this via PM but nothing is said at the end of day summary. Therefore it keeps everybody on their toes. Just when you think you know who all the wolves are, dun dun DUUUnnNNnnNnn

Also vampires

[doctor_fruitbat]

I'm wondering if the gypsies should be limited in the number of people they can find out about, maybe three people max; one wolf aside, we've all been called out by ridiculously lucky gypsy-ing, making the rest of the game a formality. I had plans to make a deal with the civilians until them damn gypsies ruined it all. :(

[malcolio]

Have a rule that wolves are able to turn 1 maybe 2 civilians during the game. The civilians get told this via PM but nothing is said at the end of day summary. Therefore it keeps everybody on their toes. Just when you think you know who all the wolves are, dun dun DUUUnnNNnnNnn

Also vampiresYeah, I have seen that happen in other Mafia games, normally one werewolf, instead of killing anyone, can bite someone instead one night. I don't know if I'm that keen on it myself, just working out the rules regarding it, and how hard it will make the game for the civilians. What do others think about it?

And as for vampires, yeah, games with civilians, werewolves and vampires have been done, but I think you need a lot of players for that to work well.

I'm wondering if the gypsies should be limited in the number of people they can find out about, maybe three people max; one wolf aside, we've all been called out by ridiculously lucky gypsy-ing, making the rest of the game a formality. I had plans to make a deal with the civilians until them damn gypsies ruined it all. :(Yeah, I think the gypsies got lucky in this game, I could either reduce the number of gypsies to 1, or have a special character, say the Alpha Werewolf, who always shows up as a Civilian when questioned by a Gypsy. What do you think of that?

[argh]

I was under the impression that there was still one (werewolf) we didn't know about.

(Eschaton said four remaining, we only had three....)

[doctor_fruitbat]

But regardless of that, the werewolves have effectively lost. It can't take too long before the final wolf is rooted out, bar a spectacular bout of Three Stooges-ism by the other civilians.

[malcolio]

I was under the impression that there was still one we didn't know about.

(Eschaton said four remaining, we only had three....)Yeah, it's why doctor_fruitbat said "one wolf aside". ;)

[argh]

I didn't know whether that was a run on of the first thought or the beginning of the second. Either way learning all the wolves but on, with a list of civilians to kill would make it easier for the wolves wouldn't it? They knew who they were supposed to kill (if they follow Eschaton's plan) so they'd kill a civilian every night....they just didn't....because they are lazy, lazy werewolves.

[Iball]

It would be easier, but if in a new game one werewolf said "Kill these people..." then by deduction the civilians could discover the werwolves. To counter this, said werewolf could include werewolfs, but either the other werewolves would be forced not to kill such hidden wolves on the list, or sacrifice those wolves as well. It would be a risk whether it was worth losing the first wolf and subsequent wolfs to ensure that the list was followed correctly.

At the end of the day, following a list like that just seems a lot more boring, and I don't think it is in spirit with the game.

[argh]

But at this point, it wouldn't have been pointless if people kept playing. There were only two more civilians than wolves, so by the time we got all the wolves who were know, it'd be 1 to 4 wolves to civvys, at which point it'd take 2 days to be over (one lynching, one wolf strike) and unless the civilians got lucky at their guess, it'd be easy for the lone wolf to win (their vote would always be a majority) and part of the list could've been to throw other people off.

/rant about how the wolves will probably lose because of being lazy.

[malcolio]

It's going to be close either way, either the werewolf will be cunning and try and confuse the civilians, or the civilians will be clever and work out who the werewolf is. Either way it makes a groovy end-game. :)

Here's the rule adjustments I will be using for the next game, let me know what you think of them:

Four werewolves instead of six
One werewolf is an 'Alpha Werewolf' Basically, the Alpha Werewolf is shown as a Civilian if questioned by a Gyspy, otherwise they are the same as a normal werewolf.
Werewolves are sent a PM at the beginning of each day, showing who they all wanted to kill

Otherwise the rules are kept the same. The 'Alpha Werewolf' will make it so that the gypsies are a little less effective. Having only four werewolves makes it easier for them to kill, harder for them to be found but also makes it harder for them to influence the lynching vote and harder for them to win by having more werewolves than civilians in the game. I'm keeping the setting as it is too, although I might change how I narrate, to spice things up.

I gather Iball will be using the same rules as I am, which I think makes it easier for people to play both games. :)

There's still a while to go before Game 2 finishes, but here's a rough list of those who said they are interested in playing Game 3/4. Let me know if I've missed you out, or you want to be taken off the list, or you only want to play in 1 game!

argh
Charming
crab
doctor_fruitbat
Eschaton
evil-flagpole
happy-go-lucky
hicks
Iball
minisheep
Pie-Badger-Man
Shalashaska
Small Fry
Smowy
Syl
The Mna
Verrci
woodchip50
Zhyl

[Small Fry]

I take it you either play in game 3 or 4, not both?

If so, can we decide?

[doctor_fruitbat]

Dammit, why did you have to kill Charming, remaining wolf? I wanted to sow the seeds of mistrust!

[malcolio]

I take it you either play in game 3 or 4, not both?

If so, can we decide?No, the idea is that you play in both, so everyone can play for longer. :)

Also I think Ozzylator was interested in running a game, so it might be that we have 3 games on the go at once, each run by a different person.

[Eschaton]

I think having 3 games at once might be going a little overboard. 2 is good enough for now.

[Vercci]

I'd want to try this game.

[malcolio]

I think having 3 games at once might be going a little overboard. 2 is good enough for now.Fair enough, although Ozzylator hasn't said much so I don't know if a 3rd game is happening anyway, but some people are mad for the Wherewolf? here. :D

I'd want to try this game.Cool, I take it you want to play in the 3rd and 4th game at the same time?

[Iball]

Yeah, I'll be using identical rules. I'll probably just copy and paste a bit, to stop myself from typing too much. :D

If we can play in both, does that mean I can play in my own game? ;)

[minisheep]

hi i just wanted2 say thati couldt play because i had exams i did really want to carry on but i wasnt allowed on the internet.

[harryashfield]

sign me up for game 3 please

[malcolio]

hi i just wanted2 say thati couldt play because i had exams i did really want to carry on but i wasnt allowed on the internet.
No worries, hope your exams went ok. :)
sign me up for game 3 pleaseCool, I take it you want to play Game 4 at the same time too?

[Charming]

Charming was down

Ooh you cheeky things! ;) Hopefully when Game 4 begins I won't be quite so busy 'cause I really want to play properly; it's bloody good fun!

[woodchip50]

AH
AH REALLY WANT THE NEXT GAME TO START!!!

AH
AH REALLY REALLY DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

oh-AH
AH REALLY CANNOT WAIT MUCH LONGEEER!!!!!!!!!

AH
AH REALLY REALLY CAAAAAAAAAAAAAN'T!!!!!!!!!


-well im not much of a singer but i hope that little number meant something there!!

btw, it was a power-ballard!

Yeah, I have seen that happen in other Mafia games, normally one werewolf, instead of killing anyone, can bite someone instead one night. I don't know if I'm that keen on it myself, just working out the rules regarding it, and how hard it will make the game for the civilians. What do others think about it?

im not so sure - if the wolves wanted an instant win they could just go around biting people each night and even if one was lynched each daytheir numbers would stay constant AND what the gypsies found out would be worthless as that person could later become a wolf - the only way this would work would be if the other wolves didn't know who else was wolves but then they would restrain from normal killings incase they killed on another wolf...


and they wouln't be able to take the subtle hints...

mm

just wouldn't work.

[malcolio]

im not so sure - if the wolves wanted an instant win they could just go around biting people each night and even if one was lynched each daytheir numbers would stay constant AND what the gypsies found out would be worthless as that person could later become a wolf - the only way this would work would be if the other wolves didn't know who else was wolves but then they would restrain from normal killings incase they killed on another wolf...


and they wouln't be able to take the subtle hints...

mm

just wouldn't work.Sorry, I didn't mention that the werewolf can only bite once, rather than kill, in the game. They normally bite someone at the start so everyone gets to play more than one Day. Anyway I decided not to use that rule, I'm happy with what I've come up with. :)

[Shalashaska]

Oh, sorry, I'll play in game 3.

[malcolio]

Ooh you cheeky things! ;) Hopefully when Game 4 begins I won't be quite so busy 'cause I really want to play properly; it's bloody good fun!
Oh, sorry, I'll play in game 3.
Groovy, I take it you both want to play Games 3 & 4, which are happening at the same time, with the same rules?

[Angus Mcsucksuck]

Im glad i ended up sticking with this game instead of giving my role to someone else.
I'm just surprised i actually made it to the end, i thought i was going to die in the first round when everyone jumped on the mcsucksuck bandwagon.

But yeah i enjoyed playing with everyone.
Im not sure if i'll be able to play in game 3 or 4 but sign me up anyway. If i can't i'll let you know beforehand or you can give my role up :)

[malcolio]

Cool, well glad you had a good time Angus, I think Ozzaylator's accusation at the start helped you out, and nearly giving up your role probably wasn't too bad either, to deflect attention. :)

I'm still pondering whether to change me game's setting from werewolve's versus civilians to mafia versus civilians, just to make my game a bit different from Iball's. Will have to think about it...

[Eschaton]

Now this is what I call an amazing game. I really had fun with this and congrats to Angus for keeping the werewolves alive long enough for us to win. I can't wait for the next games to start.

[argh]

Congrats McSucksuck

[harryashfield]

Game 3 and 4 are on at the same time? What, so you have two seperate roles or something?

That's alright. I think I can only handle game 3!

[doctor_fruitbat]

I'm registering my interest now for running one of the future games. I've narrated a couple of live action Wherewolf games, forum-based should be a piece of cake (or not, given the admin work required :p).

[malcolio]

I'm registering my interest now for running one of the future games. I've narrated a couple of live action Wherewolf games, forum-based should be a piece of cake (or not, given the admin work required :p).Cool, well depending on how well running two games go at once, the next two games I don't mind handing the reins over to you. :)

[Iball]

Well, I did it again.

Yes, my actions were entirely too noticable not to be lynched/killed, I can only say thankyou to those that didn't vote to lynch me. As for the others, if you voted and aren't a gangster, then shame on you!

I asked malcolio to tell me who someone was, and it turned out said person was a werewolf: I'd have gone back online to say "I have a gut instinct that malcolio is a gangster" before I died, but thought it would teach you guys/gals a lesson if I didn't!

As I think woodchip50 said, I'm busy running Game 4 anyway, so it's not a big loss. Still, good luck to all my fellow Civilians!

[harryashfield]

I think I'm on my way out...

So sign me up for game 5!

[harryashfield]

Right. I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it. No- wait. hang on.
I'm here, and dead. What is important for me to discuss is that Syl is almost definitely a gangster. She was quick to accuse me with no evidence. I hope the remaining villagers come to their senses. Hi Iball!

I also love the fact that half the people haven't realised this is a game of wheregang as opposed to wolf, and yet several people are accusing people of being wolves.
This is the sure sin of a civilian...or a dirty trick.

ESPECIALLY SYL!

[Angus Mcsucksuck]

i'm sorry but im not going to be able to play these games.
I've been really busy and i won't be able to post that much :/

i hope you can find someone to fill my roles.

[doctor_fruitbat]

I'm here, and dead. What is important for me to discuss is that Syl is almost definitely a gangster. She was quick to accuse me with no evidence. I hope the remaining villagers come to their senses. Hi Iball!
Oi, no accusations in the dead thread, true or not!

[happy-go-lucky]

Hey Malcolio I'd like to run a game at some point as well please :)

[Syl]

Right. I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it. No- wait. hang on.
I'm here, and dead. What is important for me to discuss is that Syl is almost definitely a gangster. She was quick to accuse me with no evidence. I hope the remaining villagers come to their senses. Hi Iball!

I also love the fact that half the people haven't realised this is a game of wheregang as opposed to wolf, and yet several people are accusing people of being wolves.
This is the sure sin of a civilian...or a dirty trick.

ESPECIALLY SYL!

Oi, no accusations in the dead thread, true or not!

Also, pretty sad that you can't just be ok with it that you died. Just play again in game 5. Shees.

Oh, and for the record; you'll be surprised, my dear.

[malcolio]

Hey Malcolio I'd like to run a game at some point as well please :)Cool, well I'm thinking of having just the one game at a time after these 2, I don't think 2 games work that well. It gets confusing and people draw too much from how others are acting in different games.

I don't mind handing the reins over for Game 5, so as doctor_fruitbat asked first I'll let him be narrator (and he can have fun trying to make the rules balanced!), so unless he's busy then you can narrate Game 6.

And yeah, harryashfield, stop with the ranting about Syl. You can comment fine on what's happened and in general, but trying to alter the game like that is unfair.

[Iball]

I'll quite happily be in the next game, because this narrating stuff is hard work. I warn everyone now, though, that I'm going to act just the same as I always do! So don't lynch me based on the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'! :D

I'll say now that I'm dissapointed with these two games, mostly because of the werewolves, who seem to be slightly unmotivated to play, to say the least. Thanks to Nub for joining in, though. If anyone else would like to join, please PM me. :)

[malcolio]

Yeah, the gangsters in my game don't seem to be getting into gear either. (If some PMs reminding them won't get them to play better, maybe public humilation will!) But then the werewolves have won every game so far, so maybe it's time the civilians get the better of their foes!

[doctor_fruitbat]

I think we can run multiple games, but only have people participate in one at a time and perhaps encourage them to stay out of the ones they aren't a part of, just to make sure they don't confuse themselves.

[malcolio]

That's a good idea, having smaller games might work better, plus if people drop out there are goign to be more people to replace roles. :) Having large games are fun, but maybe small games are the way to go.

[woodchip50]

yes! small games might be easier - to say the least i am really stuggling to keep up with everyone and distinguish one thread from the other.

[Syl]

Oy Harryashfield. I told you so.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Get them murdering bastards!

[harryashfield]

Alright, I'm sorry... but now you know how it feels to be accused with no evidence!

[Syl]

Oh, I'm okay with that. I just thought it was funny that you were so sure of yourself.

[harryashfield]

Never mind. We can start bandwagons against other innocent people in game5.

[Small Fry]

I agree. The civilians are playing a terrible game in both 3 and 4, due to the lack of werewolf activity (or I suppose it could be just disagreement) and therefore evidence.

[malcolio]

It might be a good thing, that the gangsters/werewolves aren't killing anyone, they're just get the civilians to do their job. But the detectives/gypsies will just have more time to find out who is who (well, in Game 4 anyway...) so it's not all good.

[Syl]

Yeah, but all the innocent people are killing each other!

[harryashfield]

They killed us! The Bastards!

[woodchip50]

It might be a good thing, that the gangsters/werewolves aren't killing anyone, they're just get the civilians to do their job. But the detectives/gypsies will just have more time to find out who is who (well, in Game 4 anyway...) so it's not all good.

mmmm, not so - alfa wolf - cannot be detected as i recall

[doctor_fruitbat]

I really hope Zhyl is a wolf. I'd like to feel my death meant something. :(

[woodchip50]

conclusion of games 3+4 = we need smaller games! it is far FAR to difficult to keep track of everyone - although i do like the multiple games - it hinders them a little but i enjoy them more.

so next time I think smaller numbers would suit everyone all the better.
:)
thoughts?

[Syl]

Yeah, next time, again 2 games, but everyone is only allowed to play in one of them.

[Eschaton]

Personally I prefer one very large game instead of two games. Currently 2 games is terrible, one big one would be a lot better.

[Littleshore]

Indeed, one that I could join preferably :P

[malcolio]

I get the feeling I'm going to have to make some kind of poll, or just ask people to choose between 2 games at once with different players, or 1 large game. I'm thinking towards 2 small ones, as it'll be less time for those that have been eliminated to wait for the next game, and if people from one game are inactive those that are playing from the other can take their places, if need be.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this, as I agree that so far having 2 games at once hasn't worked out so well. :(

[Zhyl]

It might be better if we make the games mutually exclusive, so people in one game aren't playing in the other.

Also, I haven't had huge amounts of time/energy this week, but I should be better after school eases off.

[Iball]

Incidentally, and just to make clear, everyone in Game 4 who has been killed has been a 100% Civilian. Those that have left because of inactivity may not have been civilians, though, likewise Nub's role is in question. It should be clear that there are still werewolves and gypsies present, though in what number only I know (he he!).

Keep up the good work everyone!

[woodchip50]

good work? WE ARE DYING OUT THERE!

[Iball]

Sorry, I meant just in people replying, etc, etc, but yes: you all suck at the moment. :D I feel that unless the werewolves for some reason stop posting, that they're going to win. Who knows...

[Syl]

The wolves are messing up by not killing anyone, but so are the innocents by killing civillians.
We're both messing up, yet the werewolves are winning.

Also; love your sig Iball :D

[doctor_fruitbat]

In some ways, not killing people seems to be an excellent tactic for the wolves, at least until too many of them start to be lynched. With nothing to go on, the civilians' instincts are proving to be waaaay off.

[malcolio]

Certainly in my game, where there aren't any detectives left in the game. In Iball's game though every day without a kill gives the gypsies another chance to find a werewolf. :)

Are you still up for running a game btw doctor_fruitbat? You and happy-go-lucky can run two games at once if you like, see what it's like having two games with people only playing in one at a time.

[Iball]

Also; love your sig Iball :D

Ta, though thanks should go to malcolio: moo moo malc! :D

Are you still up for running a game btw doctor_fruitbat? You and happy-go-lucky can run two games at once if you like, see what it's like having two games with people only playing in one at a time.


Could I be annoying and ask to be in both of these hypothetical games? Call me Mr. Pessimistic, but I don't think I'll last long in one, so being in two might make up for this...

[Small Fry]

Ermm...yeah. Pessimist or just thinking ahead :D

Out of both games first day :p

[Vercci]

im ded lol

[woodchip50]

the games should have smaller groups!!!!!!!!!!

definitly!!!!!!!!!!

yup serie!

indeed!

see- all four parts of my personality agree!

[malcolio]

OK, looks like I'm out of Iball's game soon. Have to say argh did really well with her role, I was lucky to be alive for so long. I'll be interesting to see what happens next, there's still one gypsy out there and the werewolves seem to be a bit rubbish at agreeing on who to kill...

[argh]

I'm dead, what a surprise. I only didn't call you out on the first day fully because I thought there was a chance I wouldn't end up lynched. I didn't, yay! Didn't get anymore of you wolves though, and I figured people would get my "I know why you know that" if I was killed and found to be a gypsy (Which I honestly can't spell half the time).

[malcolio]

Yeah, I hinted enough to have you killed that day but to no effect. Then after that I couldn't get you into the conversation easily enough without arousing suspicion, so in the end I gave up and just decided to see if I could get you lynched unsubtly. :D

[doctor_fruitbat]

Are you still up for running a game btw doctor_fruitbat? You and happy-go-lucky can run two games at once if you like, see what it's like having two games with people only playing in one at a time.
Hell yes. If I could play in the other game that would be pretty spiffing.

[Eschaton]

I don't like having 2 games at all. I enjoyed playing in that one huge game but doing these two became more a chore than anything else. I also enjoy bigger games more than smaller ones.

[malcolio]

I see what you mean Eschaton, but then unlike a lot of others you were in the previous game for most of the time. :D When you get knocked out in the first few Days it's annoying having to wait a month for the next game to come along. But still, we'll see what people think.

[harryashfield]

I'm in favour of two games, but maybe one starting a while after the other?

[woodchip50]

i was killed on the second day last time for finding shalashaka (sp?) and yes that sucked quite a lot....

but i agree that 2 big games has come to feel like a chore...

maybe you should do 2 games but keep them exclusive - then those that 'drop out' could give their roles up to those killed earlier in the other one...

e.g. lets say charming is in game 1 and .... iball (will suit example well!) is in game 2. Now on game 2's first day iball is fortunatly saved from being lynched but is killed off by the wolves - he is out of game 2 forever and will soon grow bored...now, charming for whatever reason doesn't sign on again after the first lynching - by the time charming is kicked out it would be day 3 - however rather than loose the role AND keep iball bored iball is given charmings role to take over.
- this would:
1) keep the games more consistant rather than just have random roles lost (such as charming's gypsie role in malcolio's *sigh*)
and 2) prevent those from being killed early on from growing bored as these do tend to go on for a while....

[Syl]

Interesting idea. The first one to die gets the offer of taking over the roll of inactive member in the other game, then? Or how would you decide who can have the roll?

EDIT- Different idea: Start the second game a bit later (like after 'day 3'), so those who die early can start playing again quite soon afterwards.

[malcolio]

What woodchip50 said is essentially why I'm keen on having two games with different players in each. Whoever is killed off in one can be the first to fill a gap left in the other game by missing players. :)

Syl's idea is good but I don't know if it'll stop the confusion that Game 3 and 4 have had.

Also whether or not 2 small games happens depends on how many people are interested in playing again. If only 16 people (say) are there's no point doing 2 games of 8, as neither game will be that much fun. We'll see what happens. :)

Also, both narrators have now been knocked out of each other's games, madness lies ahead! :D I enjoyed Game 4, I think my sacrifice to remove a gypsy was worth it, but I was hoping that I'd nab a second one too. With one gypsy out there and the remaining werewolves being so hopeless at killing anyone, I think the civilians are in with a chance to win!

[argh]

Stinky Malcolio.

[Vercci]

I'm nearly fully qualified to be in here. Hopefully I'l nab some wolves from the grave

[swarfegahead]

Dunno if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I would like very much to be a part of game 5 when it comes around.

I'm ragin' I missed this when it started!!

[Roxit]

Booooooooooooo

[woodchip50]

What woodchip50 said gives definition to existance, a problem which has alluded scientists for decades.

Syl's idea is good but I don't know if it'll stop the confusion that Game 3 and 4 have had.

i think syl's point was that they still would be seperate people in the games just staggered slightly so that if no-one drops out then those kicked out early of the first game could still have fun and such and so. Ofcourse those kicked out of the second game would have to hope people dropped out of the first...

[Syl]

Woodchip is right, I did mean that ^

If you just start a new game as soon as one ends, the games will never (rarely) start at the same time, so people would never (rarely) have to wait long to start playing again.

[malcolio]

No, your clarification has just made things more confusing for me. :D Do you mean two games staggered, with players only contributing to one or the other, but if you drop out of one you can join the other to take over any free roles? If so it doesn't really change much...

Unless we have at least 30 members interested in playing again I don't think I'd want to have 2 games at once with different players. With less than 15 players in each game it just won't be that much fun. It might be a while but going Eschaton's route and having one large game ever so often would be best IMO.

Dunno if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I would like very much to be a part of game 5 when it comes around.

I'm ragin' I missed this when it started!!Groovy having you on board. :)

And argh, :p I wouldn't have tried so hard to get rid of you after Day 1 if you hadn't made it obvious you were a Gypsy!

[harryashfield]

Hey, I thought of the staggered game idea!

What I thought was that if you started one game half waythrough the other, those that had died wouldn't have to wait for ages to play again. Just a thought.
Also, I think we should stick to either both 'gang' games or both 'werewolf' games so as to avoid confusion.

[woodchip50]

*sigh* why is it that i am confusing everyone recently...

well maybe it would be best to have one BIG game and then once we achieve 30 people wanting to play it we could do the staggered idea.

that was basicly like this:
there are 2 games set up. for the sake of this example they shall be called games A and B. These games have DIFFERENT people in them e.g. evil flagpole is in game A but not B, and syl is in game B but not A.
game A starts. B doesn't yet.
game A has been running for, oh lets say ONE WEEK.
by this time a maximum of ..... 6 people will have been killed due to lynching and being killed at night.
Game B starts HOWEVER: those 6 members of game A who were killed are included in the lineup of game B's players.

then my idea comes into play:
now lets bring evil flagpole and syl back from earlier.
evil flagpole has been fortunate enough not to be killed despite some suspicious behaviour.. HOWEVER for whatever reason evilflagpole drops out of the game. (remember he is in game A).
meanwhile in game B syl has done a terrifically silly thing by being the first to post aggressively against iball in game B. because people have FIANLLY begun to learn their lesson everyone turns on syl and syl is lynched on the first day.
syl now has no game to enjoy.
but remember evilflagpole dropped out of game A?
well, why don't we do the nice thing and turn syl's frown upsidedown by giving evilflagpoles role unto syl.

TA-DA!

that is about as basicly as i think i can put it...

took me a while to do so as well...

edit:
in resposne to harry. NO! i think we should go all out and come up with new baddies etc.
eg:
werewolves - vampires
gypsies - mmm, cannot think of anything vampire related.... oracle.
civillians - lowly peasants.
and maybe this time we could bring in a 'garlic merchant' who gives protection to one person each night...

[Syl]

woodchip, you are teh master explainer. Awesome <3

[malcolio]

So in other words it's what I thought you were getting at. :p Like I said, I don't think it really helps that much either game, it might give incentive for people to deliberetly screw around in the first game so that they can play in the second too, and all this relies on people dropping out a lot, which I'm hoping won't happen much. Otherwise you'll still have lots of people not playing, once the second game starts people who are eliminated from the first can't just join in, and those that have been eliminated from the second have no game to start with (so does that mean most people won't want to play in the second game?). Plus it would still only really work if we have enough players for two separate games.

Anyway, seems like a lot of hassle when I'm starting to come around to Eschaton's idea and just have one massive game. If people miss the start or are eliminated quickly then tough, really. It gives people incentive to play better and not just randomly try and bump others off.

As for what harry says, having 2 games with different themes helped keep the confusion to a minimum, plus you were only playing in 1 game anyway so what's your problem. :p

For themes I guess it depends on doctor_fruitbat, he'll be narrating the next game so it's up to him what theme etc he decides to use. :)

[harryashfield]

Not me, but when we were hunting gang members it did seem strangely ironic that people kept exclaming "I'm not a wolf!"

[Syl]

I would like to lead a game sometime with a witch in it, if that's okay.

[argh]

And argh, :p I wouldn't have tried so hard to get rid of you after Day 1 if you hadn't made it obvious you were a Gypsy!
I wouldn't have made it so obvious if I didn't think I was about to get lynched.

[doctor_fruitbat]

When is the next game likely to need starting, then? I'll start thinking about what I want to do for it in time for that.

[woodchip50]

when these finish i guess, but no one is posting on there...

:mad:

also, do somethign different like the vampire thing but something different unless you liked the vampire thing - but you would have to think of a brilliant alternative for oracle as that sucked...
but vampire slayer just wouldn't work...

[malcolio]

I wouldn't have made it so obvious if I didn't think I was about to get lynched.I was expecting you to die definitely, not lynched but I had hinted at you enough times to expect the other werewolves to try and kill you. So I was as surprised as you when were still alive! :D

When is the next game likely to need starting, then? I'll start thinking about what I want to do for it in time for that.I normally start them a few days after the last game has ended, gives people time to sign up for the next game, and to suggest improvements. So there's no rush really. :)

[woodchip50]

I was expecting you to die definitely, not lynched but I had hinted at you enough times to expect the other werewolves to try and kill you. So I was as surprised as you when were still alive! :D

I normally start them a few days after the last game has ended, gives people time to sign up for the next game, and to suggest improvements. but that is silly. rushing works better you should start it the day after mine and iballs finish. :)

fixtedid

[malcolio]

Considering you're still playing in 2 games I'm surprised you're so impatient woodchip50. :p Some people haven't been playing for a couple of weeks!

[woodchip50]

i am just highly considerate and have empathy levels which surpass most of the male population.

also i am dreading when these games finish...

[happy-go-lucky]

if we do one big game will i be narrating after fruitbats finishes?

[Iball]

I guess you'd have to. Patience is a virtue. :D Personally, I think narrating is a lot of hard work...I find playing the game to be far easier, I mean, after a while it's like I'm hardly playing at all!

[doctor_fruitbat]

I'm off LARPing tomorrow, so I'll be away until Sunday night, but I don't imagine that'll be a problem. Maybe it'll give me some ideas for the theme of the next game. :D

[malcolio]

if we do one big game will i be narrating after fruitbats finishes?Yeah, if you're still interested. :) Syl is up for narrating after you.

[woodchip50]

i am here to appologise for lynching vercci

had i not changed my vote back in those last few moments it would have been deadlocked and now i have effectivly killed him.

sorry.

[malcolio]

I did post a bit early, but it takes a while to type up my narration...and I wasn't expecting anyone to change their vote with a few minutes to go! Or change it back again, and again...

[Vercci]

The funny thing is after I made that post, I was about to edit in that my death would be on small fry's head :D

[Small Fry]

Cock. Sorry Vercci, I thought The Mna was a gangster? and well...my logic followed on from there. Apologies, I guess I paid for my mistake :p

[happy-go-lucky]

Awww I dieded.
Hope you all find my evil murderer :D

[Vercci]

It's a pity I didn't get in a ninja edit while I was alive. I would of put my reasons in first.

[minisheep]

i do feel bad forvoting for you vercci but you started it :D

[Vercci]

I still believe you're a wolf. Although you ARE starting to look innocent :p

I based my evidence on that post of yours complaining about gangsters and werewolves. and teh supposed name drop. As for Zhyl and hicks, I took that from what they said on the vote against me.

[Roxit]

oh boo

[The Mna]

Iball keeps mentioning that I was the first lynched in his game. I wonder if he's still pissed that I got him lynched first in game 3? :p

On the note of new games, it would be nice to have more special roles (being a civilian is not as fun) or to divide special roles between different games (ie you're a civilian in game 1 but you'll be a wolf in the next one, or the one after that if we have 3 games). It could have problems if people start looking at the role they had in other games to try to figure out what they are in the current game, but it could be made to work if we have multiple games and people aren't tempted to dig up the past.