Angels and Demons - Wherewolf Game 5

[doctor_fruitbat]

Angels and Demons – Wherewolf? Game 5

1. Introduction

The sky keeps getting darker...

Never has there been a bleaker time in the isolated valley-town of Donkeyville. The skies are reddening, storm clouds are gathering, and an already small populace is starting to dwindle even further. From a hidden temple beneath the town, cultists are snatching the townspeople from their beds, subjecting their bodies and souls to terrifying rituals that are poisoning the land and threatening to envelop the entire valley.

The heavens themselves have been outraged by the atrocities, and divine warriors have been despatched to aid the town in its fight against the terrible evil that grips it. But few of the population are calm enough to have noticed the faint celestial aura that has descended on a few of their number...

The land continues to wither and die, and the taint of death grows stronger. The guardians of light know their purpose, but are bound by the frailties of their mortal hosts. And if the cultists cannot be stopped, the country itself and maybe even the world will feel their wrath...

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2. Preparations

The players will be split into two separate teams: cultists and townsmen. They will then be assigned different roles by the Narrator through a Private Message (PM). You will need to check your PMs regularly during the game. And remember, even if your role and agenda is different to someone else doesn't mean you aren't necessarily working towards the same goal!

NOTE
Each 'day' refers to a 48-hour time slot, to allow sufficient time for all players to debate on their next target for execution. Thus, any mention from this point onwards of 'days' should be taken to mean a 48-hour period. In other words, players with special roles may only PM the narrator with names once per 48-hour in-game day, not every literal morning! Any extra PMs of this kind will be treated as the player changing their mind and their original PM will be discarded!

Private Messaging (PM) may only be between player and Narrator, not between player and player. Anyone caught using PMs, emails or any other form of communication other than the main game thread to contact other players in secret in an In Character (IC) or Out of Character (OOC) capacity to aid each other through the game will be ejected from the game. However, there is a Dead thread where players may discuss the game (without spoilers or hints though!).

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3. Roles

Narrator
The Narrator plays a purely administrative role; narrating the game, counting votes and moving the game along. The narrator will also prod other players if they are inactive. Any player who is inactive after 48 hours will be ejected from the game and may have their role filled by another player. The Narrator will move the story along at the end of each 48-hour period, and will decide when the game ends.

Good
Civilian
As far as the Civilian is concerned, everyone is a suspect. The civilian's role is to work out who is a cultist and to convince others that you are right, in order to execute them at the end of the day and save the town. Your only abilities are those you already possess; deduction, guile and persuasion. Each day, the Civilians must indicate who they are voting to be lynched in bold text. Repeatedly breaking this rule may result in your votes not being counted at the discretion of the Narrator!

Veteran
Once during the game the army Veteran may PM the narrator to indicate who they wish to kill that night, should they believe that person to be a Cultist. They may do this during any round of the game, and once they have killed they may not do so again. The Veteran is a loose cannon on the side of good, but in all other regards is identical to the Civilian. Anyone enquiring about the Veteran's role will simply be told the Veteran is a Civilian. The Veteran can be prevented from killing someone by the Guardian Angel and in that case his killing will still be used up.

Thief
The Thief may PM the Narrator with a name once per day in order to check whether or not that player is home, something they ascertain while opportunistically looting the houses of the townspeople. If that player is performing their role as Veteran, Cultist, Guardian Angel or Celestial Inquisitor during the night then they will be out of their house, and the Thief will be informed via PM at the start of the next day.

The Thief is in all other regards identical to the Civilian. Anyone enquiring about the Thief's role will simply be told the Thief is a Civilian.

Celestial
All Celestial roles are aware of who the other Celestials are, but must not communicate with each other except in the main game thread.

Guardian Angel
During the day, the Guardian Angel may PM the Narrator with the name of one person to protect from the cultists over the course of the night. Should the cultists choose that person, they will be blocked from snatching them; the Veteran will also be blocked from killing. The Guardian Angel can not protect people from being executed. The Guardian Angel may choose to protect the same player any number of times.

Celestial Inquisitor
During the day, the Celestial Inquisitor may PM the Narrator with the name of one player, and will be told if they are a cultist. They will not be given the exact role of other Civilians, ie. the Veteran or Thief. The Celestial Inquisitor must be wary of their ability; any apparent knowledge on their part could easily get them targeted by the cultists, or mistaken as cultist activity by the civilians! Remember that you, too, are desperate to survive, the death of your mortal host meaning the death of you, so try to keep your role hidden from the cultists!

Evil
Cultist
All Cultist roles are aware of who the other Cultists are, but must not communicate with each other except in the main game thread.

Each day, the Cultists may PM the Narrator with the person they wish to be snatched during the night. Unlike the general public vote between all players during the day, for the Cultists to snatch someone there must be a majority of votes from all Cultists, not just from those who voted. Cultists will be told who their fellow accomplices are in the initial PM sent to them at the start of the game. Cultists must not communicate secretly with other cultists, through PM or any other method; they may only talk to each other through the main game thread. The next day, the cultists will be PMed to show who each of them voted for.

Cultist Leader
The Cultist Leader is identical to his fellow cultists but for one difference; any Celestial Inquisitor attempting to ascertain their identity will not be able to recognise them as a cultist, and will be told by the Narrator that they are an ordinary Civilian. The Cultist leader is identical to the Cultist in all other respects and may vote with his fellow Cultists to decide who should be snatched that night. The Cultists will be informed as to who their Leader is in the PM sent to them at the start of the game.

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4. Gameplay

The game is split into Days, each lasting for a 48-hour period to allow the players to debate and vote for the next execution. At the end of each Day the Narrator will move the story along by detailing events that take place during the Night. This includes who gets executed, who is snatched by the cultists and who is saved from execution by the Guardian Angel. The Narrator will also PM all applicable players with details relating to their role, such as who each Cultist voted for (Cultist) and whether their chosen player was in their house or not (Thief). After the Narrator has detailed the events of the Night, it will be the next Day, and another 48-hour period begins.

Each day ends at 00:00 GMT every 48 hours. Night lasts until the Narrator has narrated the events of the night in the main game thread.

Day
All players discuss who they believe to be a Cultist and thus who to execute, and put their votes in bold. Unlike with the Cultists' private vote, the general player vote does not need an overall majority, only a majority vote from the players who have voted.

Players may also choose to abstain, if they are unsure of who to vote for or wish to make a point. Players have two abstentions in the whole game, and each abstention counts towards the total number of votes, meaning that a player can help swing the vote without accusing anyone.

The unlucky player who is chosen to be executed will be killed during the Night.

Special Roles
Anyone other than a civilian may PM the Narrator during the day with the name of another player, and see the results take place during the night. This may be revealed publicly, privately or both, depending on the special role.

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5. The Dead

There is a separate thread where eliminated players, or those not playing, can commentate on the game. If you are eliminated please only post in this thread (this game has angels in it, but not ghosts!) Discuss with other players what is happening, but try not to reveal any extra knowledge you may have about the game, so as not to spoil it for the remaining players.

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6. Victory

If the Cultists can kill off enough innocent people so that there are more Cultists than Civilians, then their evil plot will come to fruition in an explosive climax. If the townsfolk can execute the Cultists before this happens, then Donkeyville will be saved! If the Cultists find themselves deadlocked with a Guardian Angel, then the game will end in favour of the Cultists. This is to prevent abuse of the Guardian Angel's role.


Players

argh
duckmanTTF
Eschaton
evil-flagpole
harryashfield
hicks
Iball
malcolio
minisheep
nub
Pie-Badger-Man
Shalashaska
Small Fry
Snoon
swarfegahead
tehmoogles
The Mna
Turkey Sandwich
woodchip50
Vercci
Zhyl

[malcolio]

Lol, Donkeyville, good to see the theme going strong. :D Looks very groovy, can't wait to start! :)

[Zhyl]

Me me me! This is awesome.

[Roxit]

ooooh sweet

[The Mna]

Its not crab people :(

Its looking seriously unbalanced by the lack of cultist roles. What sort of splits are we running?

[Iball]

I kinda agree with The Mna, but then the Thief's role seems a bit meh, tbh, and the Veteran, like the Inquisitor, can be killed before they have a chance to use their abilities to good use. Besides, as far as I'm aware the civilians haven't won a single game, so swinging it in their favour seems a good idea.

[malcolio]

I don't know, the thief's special ability isn't too helpful, and if the veteran guesses badly then the player might be more of a hinderance than a help to the other civilians. Same goes for the guardian angel. I'll be interested to see how much of an advantage any of the new roles give, I think it all depends on how good the players themselves are at playing the game.

Plus the civilians haven't won a single game yet, maybe they need this help! :D

EDIT: I'm not surprised Iball is thinking the same as me! :D

[woodchip50]

1) .....fuck too many roles .... errm.... i am going to be taking a lesser role in this game.... it will be interesting to see how the new roles interact... will make the whole thin a LOT more confusing... could be good or bad.

2) i hope you will not hold anything against me fruitbat? :D

3) can the guardian angel protect from veteran attacks?

4) depending on how this one goes we could put in some demon ones into the next game to help the cultists/werewolf equilivants.

5) seriously this is going to be soo hard to follow...

[Eschaton]

Oh man I love it. I can't wait for this to start. I hope I get a fun role this time, Civilian is kind of boring.

[Iball]

I don't know, the thief's special ability isn't too helpful, and if the veteran guesses badly then the player might be more of a hinderance than a help to the other civilians. Same goes for the guardian angel. I'll be interested to see how much of an advantage any of the new roles give, I think it all depends on how good the players themselves are at playing the game.

Plus the civilians haven't won a single game yet, maybe they need this help! :D

EDIT: I'm not surprised Iball is thinking the same as me! :D

That's fairly freaky, even despite the fact we're twins. Get out of my mind!

[doctor_fruitbat]

The civilian roles are more to give interest to a couple more people than to complicate the game; I did pretty well on the last two games (final round in game 3, danced with death right from the start in game 4) without any additional help. They make things more interesting in small ways, but only on a complex level for the person involved.

For example, the Veteran: he is a normal civilian and has no omniscient powers. His ability to kill once per game can help or hinder, but only briefly. It is a fairly minor role, but perhaps of great use if used wisely. It is restricted to one person, once per game, for this reason, so he can't completely screw over either side. The Thief, on the other hand, is like a cut-down version of the Celestial Inquisitor. He has a choice whether to use his ability whether or not he thinks it helps him, and can use it to his advantage if he knows how to use it. It's about flavour and interest to a few more people, not overcomplicating things for the civilians.

Don't worry about the new roles. From a civilian standpoint, they only make things a little more interesting, but don't require you to consider more things at once. The Thief will need just as much evidence as anyone else to be certain of a Cultist's identity, only using what he knows as the icing on the cake, while the Veteran can only affect the game in one small way; he isn't even a consideration in terms of 'knowledge', as he knows as much or little as anyone else. It adds interest more than an advantage to the civilians (the Guardian Angel adds the advantage).

Try to think in terms of the overarching roles - civilian, celestial, cultist. All other considerations are fairly minor, and simply add flavour and interest to the game.




RULE CLARIFICATION: The Guardian Angel can stop the Veteran from killing someone, but he should be using his power for people he is sure is innocent anyway, thus helping the Civilians. All Celestial roles will know who the others are, like the Cultists. The Celestial Inquisitors take the role of the Gangster/Gypsy from previous games, but while the Guardian Angel does not, he is aware of who else is of Celestial origin. He should therefore try to take cues in much the same ways as the Cultists try to.


EDIT: Don't ask for roles; it's all randomised, and asking for special roles is like hanging a sign on yourself saying 'Kill me now!' You get what you get, and you'll be happy with it. :)

[Zhyl]

Can a guardian angel protect themselves?

[doctor_fruitbat]

RULE CLARIFICATION: The Guardian Angel can protect themselves, though no-one will know who has done the protecting. HOWEVER, the game will end once the Cultists reach a majority of players, OR if they are deadlocked with a Guardian Angel. The reason for this is so that the Guardian Angel can't abuse their role by being completely unkillable throughout. It also presents an extra element of life-preservation and considering the safety of the other civilians.

In short, a crap Guardian Angel looks out for himself, helps no-one and ends up watching helplessly as the Cultists win the game and enact their evil plan of doom.

[Vercci]

Should we place bets on if Iball dies in the first day? :D

[malcolio]

I know that whether or not I'm a civilian, celestial or cultist (love those 3 c's!) I won't be trying to lynch Iball on the first day. I can't promise anything on the second day though. :D

[Vercci]

Right now I don't know if the game or that bet will be more fun :D

[woodchip50]

do we have a designated date upon which this game shall begin?

i am unsure as to whether iball will be out by day one of not, even if we do not lynch him he might still be dragged into the cellars in which the cultists are performing their evil atrocious acts....

but what are we going to do if he is given a cultist part?
AH we will just have to figure it out as the game goes on... kill others at the beginning.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Game should be starting Sunday 3rd August 00:00 GMT. Sign-up will end 24 hours before hand (00:00 GMT on Saturday), and roles will be assigned and PMed to players before the game starts.

First post has been updated with a list of players - 18 so far!

[minisheep]

wow the new roles sound great! and i dont think we should kill iball on the 1st day but the second he must be treated normally...

[Iball]

lol, I like the idea that I can automatically survive the first day like that. :D I'm worried I'll be a cultist now, because that means I'd be slightly more obliged not to stand out so much...

Can't wait for the game to start :)

[Shalashaska]

I'll play.

[Turkey Sandwich]

Huh, I really should check the forum games forum more often - this sounds really interesting. Reminds me of wink murder, but even better, heh.

So I'd like to express my interest in playing.

[doctor_fruitbat]

21 people have signed up and there's been a drop-off in new players, so I am calling a halt to new applications. Everyone will be PMed with their role soon, and I may advance the start date by a day or two.

There are 5 Cultists in this game. I'm hoping the inclusion of extra roles will cause a bit of mayhem for the Civilians. :)

EDIT: PMs have been sent. The game will now start Saturday 02/08 at 00:00 GMT, in 31 hours' time. Good luck everyone.

[swarfegahead]

Dammit, I really should check this place more often!
Guess I'll wait for game 6 to come around:D




Edit: Clearly my lack of observation extends to my internet life too! My bad:P

[malcolio]

Your name is included in the rosta swarfegahead so looks like you were added just in time. ;)

I suppose you couldn't tell us how many of the other special roles there are doctor_fruitbat? Or is that all part of the mayhem? :D

[doctor_fruitbat]

The roles are as follows:

11 Civilians
1 Thief
1 Veteran
1 Guardian Angel
2 Inquisitors
4 Cultists
1 Cultist Leader

[tehmoogles]

Right, this should be interesting. I've played Werewolf dozens of times on other forums, with shittons of roles, but the mechanics of this are slightly different. I've never played a game where external communication hasn't been allowed at all. Usually, that's the mainstay of the game - otherwise the dreamers get smashed when they announce who the Werewolves are. Also they tend to be around 30 people with 2 or more three man teams and one or two one man teams. This should be an interesting change. Closest I've got to this was a game where MSN etc weren't allowed but people were split into various groups and each group had its own subforum which only they could see. That was an interesting game.

Sorry, I'm rambling.

[Small Fry]

Great stuff. I've just been away for a week and thougt I might have missed the start of this game :D

Thank goodness for me getting back :p

[Vercci]

I could imagine this game in a rpg.

/r/ angel guard plz

[doctor_fruitbat]

And the game is go! The first deadline is 00:00 GMT Monday!

START!!!

[Vercci]

No i'm not a cultist, I'm just christian.

:D

[tehmoogles]

You sure you're not a little angel?

[Iball]

I shall abstain, because there is absolutely no evidence to support an accusation at this stage of the game. I strongly urge everyone else to abstain as well.

Arguments for abstaining:
The chances of accidentally lynching a Civilian is far higher than killing a Cultist. We cannot afford to attack at random.
Should everyone abstain, then there is a greater chance that the Celestrial Inquisitor et al will survive and have another day's worth of investigation, which can become vital to the Civilians.
Should everyone in fact not mention a single name when they are abstaining, then this could well stop the Cultists from killing anyone: they must agree on a target, and if they cannot even name a Civilian without becoming obvious, then should they be able to kill a Civilian,we can at least work back from the previous day.

Arguments against abstaining:
We have only two abstains, why waste one like this? Answer: at later stages of the game, you may waste your vote by voting for an otherwise voteless person,who has no chance of being lynched. The same cannot be said for the start of the game, though, because mentioning someone's name will give the Cultists a target.
We can't abstain throughout the entire game! That's pointless! Answer: I am not advocating abstaining throughout. One or at most two days should be sufficient to root out some Cultists. The more days without lynchings or Cultists attacks the better, though, as explained in my third pro-point.
If everyone abstains, then the Cultists just has more time to kill! Answer: No, they don't. Even if not everyone abstains, then the fact names have been mentioned allows the civilians to deduce who the Cultists are. Just because people aren't saying "I accuse you!" doesn't mean we're completely devoid of evidence.
Cultists aren't going to kill Civilians via lynching anyway, so why think that people's name dropping is bad? Answer: killing Civilains is the Cultists' objective. Why wouldn't they take the opportunity to kill a Civilian during the day?

So in short, don't accuse anyone. Just abstain!

Also, if I get killed after the first day, then it was nice knowing everyone. Good luck, Civilians!

EDIT:

It just occured to me that the Guardian Angel will have a much easier time of deciding whom to protect this way, too. Should only a few names be mentioned (because I'm cynical enough to know that people will ignore my advice) then there are only a few possible candidates of the Cultists targets. Either that, or I'll be killed by the Cultists, for being so annoying. :D

[Small Fry]

Abstain.

[woodchip50]

Abstain.

[hicks]

Abstain

[malcolio]

Abstain

[Zhyl]

Iball.

Just kidding, Abstain.

[harryashfield]

Abstain

[Vercci]

Abstain

[swarfegahead]

Abstain

[Snoon]

I'll have tae abstain since it does seem the most sensible choice.

[tehmoogles]

Abstain

Ah, the good old 'First Day Execution' argument. Since this game is different to those I've played before, I'd say it's even more important we vote for no execution on Day 1 here. I didn't realise we only had two abstentions, though.

[argh]

Abstain

[Roxit]

Abstain

[Turkey Sandwich]

Abstain

[duckmanTTF]

I'm going along with the abstain bandwagon

[Mudkipz]

It's started? Hooray! Sorry been away for abit.
Abstain

[friendly spoon]

Golly I can see that this game is going to live up to the excitement of its predecessors.

Abstain

[hicks]

Iball.

Just kidding, Abstain.

If Iball gets murdered we'll all know who gave the signal....

though i shall continue to Abstain as this isn't really enough evidence for a lynching

[tehmoogles]

'Twould be nice if people posted more than just their vote. That way we can analyse posts :P

[woodchip50]

wait.
tomorrow.

[friendly spoon]

iball

Aha! I've got you now Mr Cultist!

[hicks]

Aha! I've got you now Mr Cultist!

If you'd bothered to read my post (which you haven't) you'd see that zhyll name dropped, and no one bothered to pick up on that so i did, if anything you emphasising it makes me think you could be one too.

[Shalashaska]

Abstain because people will jump on someone different.

[Eschaton]

Abstain.

[doctor_fruitbat]

This is your official halfway-marker alarm call.

It's about the halfway mark on the first day, so anyone who hasn't voted or exercised their special abilities should do so soon!

Also, stop playing the abstain game, I know the reasons for it and I still hate it. I'll start killing you all myself, I swear to god. :p

[Vercci]

I change my vote to doctor_fruitbat then :p


I'd lol my arse off if someone actually believed me

[Shalashaska]

Screw it, you can make the mistake and kill me if you all want. Since he's the only one to just mention someone I vote for Zhyl.

[Small Fry]

Oh you shit. The abstainations were going so well too :(

Ah well then. To business.

*lurks*

[minisheep]

normally the abstain game is quite good after we have argued a bit but because we havent there is no evidence on anyone which will give the civilians a bad start especially if these abstains lead into day 2 aswell....i am going to think for a while...

[Zhyl]

I know what's going to happen now, though, is that the cultists are going to kill iball to make it look like it was me who ordered the killing. Then afterwards they'll dissolve into disarray as they have to figure out for themselves who to kill.

[Small Fry]

Actually, I was thinking the same, but saying it to everyone sounds like it's a foregone conclusion and you're making up a defense. So I didn't bother.

Nevertheless. I won't be voting for you tommorrow.

[friendly spoon]

Well yeah but the gaurdian angels are bound to protect iball now.

[tehmoogles]

I should certainly hope they'll protect him :\ I'm not a fan of first day deaths/executions, myself.

[woodchip50]

:D new dimensions to this game with new roles and all are already making this such a complex game - chess is what i shall compare it to.

of course i shall be lurking too.

i suck at chess.

[Small Fry]

Chess is game you can play well with a little skill, then play at the same level until you hit uber-nerd level, then you play awesomely. I think I've reached uber=nerd level of werewolf, now where's my skill?

[doctor_fruitbat]

Under a blood-red sky the citizens of Donkeyville gathered, finally prepared to put a stop to the decimation of their town. But when the time came for justice to be served, they couldn't bear even to make an accusation, perhaps out of fear of the consequences if an innocent citizen was killed by their hands. Iball in particular was highly outspoken on the matter, refusing to point a finger and appealing to his fellows to do the same. And so the crowd dispersed quietly and quickly, their resolve proving to be much less hardened than they first thought.

Iball ambled slowly through the back alleys, muttering to himself. He knew the problem needed resolving, but how to do it? Executing each other one by one could only lead to their downfall, both literal and moral. So deep was he in his thoughts that he didn't see the Cultist until he bumped into him. Iball cried out; the Cultist was clothed in a long robe, small patches of white showing through the deep red blood that had been used to stain it. As he stumbled backwards, hands clamped themselves around his arms, and a wad of cloth was stuffed unceremoniously into his open mouth. He tried to scream as a bag was forced over his head and tied at the neck, but no sound came.

The ground shook. The Cultists exchanged worried glances, but continued with their work. Then the shaking came again, reverberating through the alleyway and permeating throughout the town. Pure white light burst from the gaps of the cobblestones. “We've been discovered!” hissed the Cultist leader. “We must flee!” The Cultists were in luck; they managed to turn the corner as a figure made of pure, glittering light tore itself from the ground, arms aloft and wings of holy energy spread apart. Its mouth opened and an unearthly cry escaped its lips; the blast of energy scorched the walls and left the flagstones sizzling, and the Cultists barely escaped with their lives as a pillar of glowing white barrelled past them into the street, exploding into nothing as it hit the house opposite. The wall was burned black, and the windows lay in bubbling pools on the ground.

The figure looked down at the struggling Iball, and smiled gently. Then, without a sound, it twinkled away into nothing. Horrified citizens rounded the corner and helped Iball back to his house. Shaken but alive, Iball joined them in the town square the next day; a benevolent presence was watching over them, but the menace of the Cultists couldn't be denied. And so the debate began anew.

Summary:
No-one was executed.
Iball was targeted, but was saved by the Guardian Angel.

Day 2 has now begun.

[woodchip50]

AHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!

they tried to take out you-know-who (but not voldemort-not-nor-nuffin!)

i am afriad i am voting straight in on zhyl

damning evidence against him and all.

[Snoon]

i'm not sure, would he be that obvious? i'll have to see how it goes over the next couple of days

[Eschaton]

And that also means that we know Iball isn't a cultist.

Sorry Zhyl, but the evidence is strong. My vote goes to you.

[Turkey Sandwich]

i'm not sure, would he be that obvious?

Quite. I mean, think about it, he'd be a bit more subtle about it than just saying someone's name, wouldn't he?

Let's not start a witch hunt. Oh wait...

[Zhyl]

I wouldn't be that obvious. As I said, It's just the cultists trying to stitch me up. If I don't mention any names today they will be stuck.

[swarfegahead]

Hmm, I think voting against Zhyl might be a bit hasty, I'd need more evidence to justify it.
Woodchip seems a bit too keen to direct people towards Zhyl, but thats not enough evidence to justify voting for him either.

Hmmm, I'll vote for Turkey Sandwich, simply because he's the post before me (apart from Zhyl), and I'd rather save my abstain. Nothing personal :P

[malcolio]

I'm not voting unless I need to stop the lynching. For now though it doesn't look like I need to as most players don't want to lynch, so I won't waste my last abstain in Day 2.

[Small Fry]

I did say I wasn't voting for Zhyl. And I'm not.

Nub and hicks both said Iball's name, although hicks did try and explain why he name-dropped; nub just highlighted a name. I am going for nub, unless he can defend himself from my utter drivel :p

[hicks]

I'd hardly say i name dropped, just brought attention to a name drop :p and the fact the person (see no dropping) needed protection proves i was right to highlight this to everyone

[harryashfield]

I'm voting for swarfegahead for the same reason that he voted for turkey sandwich, in that I want to save my other abstention, and I don't think that there is enough evidence to actually genuinely accuse anyone. This is purely because he has no votes.

[Iball]

Yay! I survived to the next day! \o/

Now what happens? :s ;)

I will refrain from voting until I see who's getting the attention. For now, though I think it's too unclear who intentionally said my name, and who didn't. It could easily be the case that none of the name-sayers are a Cultist, and that the Cultists merely picked the most oft-named person to target.


btw, thanks to the Guardian Angel who saved me! I'd give you rep if I knew who you were! :)

[friendly spoon]

I am going for nub, unless he can defend himself from my utter drivel :p

Yes, i did say iballs name but I also said that a gaurdian angel would be likely to protect him. If i was a cultist then the other cultists would have taken notice of this and gone for another target.

[Snoon]

i've never played this before, but watching the games i always laughed at how paranoid people got and how obscure their accusations were. playing it, though, i'm seeing everyone as a suspect!

[Roxit]

abstain

[minisheep]

I know what's going to happen now, though, is that the cultists are going to kill iball to make it look like it was me who ordered the killing. Then afterwards they'll dissolve into disarray as they have to figure out for themselves who to kill. if zhyl was a cultist then i dont think they would carry out this plan after zhyl has pointed it out because afterwards it would end in a cultist being killed (suposing zhyl was cultist) i dont think this is enough evidence, i think it was a simple joke that was a mistake.
abstain

[friendly spoon]

abstain

thats your last abstain

[Roxit]

thats your last abstain

I'm well aware of the rules thank you. Unless you're trying to drop my name eh?

[Iball]

It's nice to know that everyone knows I'm a civilian. Means I can name drop as much as I like! With that in mind, I thought I'd collate theories on people:

Zhyl: As everyone spotted, Zhyl mentioned me in his post. This was either a horrendous mistake, or a genuine joke. As a result, the cultists had only one possible target. This was actually beneficial: without a target to pick, the GA similarly would not have known whom to protect. Of course, this is an unintended side effect, and does not remove Zhyl from the list of potential Cultists. Zhyl's second statement either reinforces his earlier 'Get Iball!' post, or merely attempts to persuade others of his innocence. At the end of the day, there is little evidence to go on. Personally, I would go with the 'Zhyl has been silly in mentioning a name' theory, because otherwise he's been an extremely silly Cultist.

Hicks: While many others ignored Zhyl's post, Hicks brought up the theory that Zhyl mentioned my name for more than joke-associated reasons. Having been the equivalant of a Cultist before, Hicks knows how to work the thread to his advantage. However, there seems little merit in mentioned Zhyl, because this could cause confusion amidst the Cultists, and so stop a majority vote amongst them. However, his post could also reinforce Zhyl's post, whilst at the same time implying that Hicks himself is a civilian.

Nub: This is perhaps even more confusing. By highlighting Hicks' post, while deliberately ignoring Hicks' point, Nub has perhaps become mroe suspicious. If Zhyl was truly a silly Cultist, then pointing the finger at Hicks could remove suspicions from Zhyl, were Nub a Cultist as well. As an Civilian, Nub has drawn a lot of attention to himself by not listening to Hick's counter to Nub's accusation, provding an in my opinion flimsy reason for why I was still targeted (even as a Cultist, my candidature for death that night was impeccable) and then warning evil-flagpole of his lack of abstain votes. Again, based on Nubs relative newness to the game, I would pass these remarks off as being innocent. I generally agree with SmallFry's post, here, but it's still not much evidence.

tehmoogles: As a newcomer to the game, tehmoogles plea for longer posts could either be an innocent request for more data, or a guilty request for more ideas of whom to kill. Clearly the former, because as a Cultist having more than one name being mentioned could threaten a kill majority.

Shalashaska: The only person to accuse during Day 1, the fact I was targetted is perhaps the greatest indication that Shalashaska is not a Cultist. Also, as a Cultist, Shalashaska would be foolish to mention another name, as I've already explained.

minisheep: Like tehmoogles, minisheep asked for more than just abstains. Again, this seems indicative of Cultist leanings, because going against the Abstain Plan is suicide for Cultists, and minisheep's later post disffusing the situation does imply try innocence.

Woodchip50: An equivalent Cultist before, Woodchip's lurking (why talk when you can watch what others do?) and later accusation against Zhyl seems slightly too aggressive. Especially considering that as an old player, Woodchip should know full well that the 'daming evidence' against Zhyl is nothing of the kind. Thankfully everyone else seems to realise this.

Eschaton: Similarly to Woodchip50, Eschaton's post seems to be desperate to get a bandwagon going. The 'evidence is strong'...really?

Overall, there really isn't enough evidence. However, I would highlight Nub (implying Zhyl) or Woodchip and Eschaton as likely Cultists. Obviously this could all change based on future votes, and indeed all four could be innocent. I would urge people to keep wasting their votes, and applaud people who have done so already.

[Roxit]

If the guardian angel guards a cultist are they protected from the civilians?

[Vercci]

If the guardian angel protects ANYONE, That person cannot be killed by ANYTHING for that day. there's no limit to how much times a person can be protected by the angel but the angel can only protect one person at a time.

[edit] After looking at the story of iball being targeted, but then saved, I wonder what it would be like if the cultists went after the angel, but the angel protected him/herself.

[edit 2] fuck, I didn't see how he mentioned Protects "X" from cultists, and after that how the veteran is stopped from killing anyone too. It doesn't say anythign about lynching.

[woodchip50]

TO DEFEND MYSELF

last time in both games i was a cultist equivalent - hence why i could post lots without fear of death - i lurk this time as in the second game when i was vocal i died, in the second day.

this is why i am saying little. of course i am now needing to defend myself so i have to break out of this.
may as well hear my theory then:

zhyl i think is a man of some intelligence. Obviously this is disputed after his last move in .. weregang? but assuming his definition of a scientific experiment isn't seeing how many times he can hit his head against a brick before he bleeds, i suspect he wouldn't be 'silly' enough to accidentally name drop if he were a civilian particularly when you had stated so clearly why we shouldn't name drop. However, as cultists couldn't name drop because of your post he either was trying to name drop as a 'silly civilian' but actually as a cultist. OR he is indeed a silly civilian who enabled those who quoted him in the latter posts (who actually were cultists) to subtly suggest a kill. If this is the case then i am willing to go against my ethics and engage in some good old fashioned involuntary euthanasia to take out any who will threaten our chances of winning.

[tehmoogles]

tehmoogles: As a newcomer to the game, tehmoogles plea for longer posts could either be an innocent request for more data, or a guilty request for more ideas of whom to kill. Clearly the former, because as a Cultist having more than one name being mentioned could threaten a kill majority.

I'm not a newcomer. I've stated before that I've played dozens of WW games on other forums. The reason I ask for longer posts is because it's what I'm used to - the games I've played tend to involve a lot of role faking, a strong reliance on dreamers and a lot of post analysis. However, we also have a bit of a problem sometimes with people flying under the radar by only posting their vote and nothing else - thus the 'inactives' often win, as baddies target those who are most vocal, and nobody notices the others. I don't want that to happen here. In addition, we can't analyse posts and get a good idea of who's lying and who's telling the truth without longer posts.

[argh]

I'm voting nub since he was a bit more suspicious than Hicks or Zhyl.

[Shalashaska]

I want to lynch someone before we all start to get disembowelled by cultists, so I'm going with nub.

[Snoon]

i'll choose nub as well, but my mind can be changed! - just don't want to be left without any abstains.

[Zhyl]

I'm going to vote nub as well, and the results of his being a cultist or not will confirm or negate other suspicions I have of other people.

[Mudkipz]

I'm allowing myself to jump on one, maybe two bandwagons in this game
so saying that, nub

[duckmanTTF]

nub has made a number of posts that look suspicious, more so than the other name droppers seemed, so that's my vote

[tehmoogles]

I'm worried Zhyl is going to be attacked - everyone is dropping his name, and I'd imagine it's hard for the GA to tell whether he's going to be a target or not.

[Iball]

I'm worried Zhyl is going to be attacked - everyone is dropping his name, and I'd imagine it's hard for the GA to tell whether he's going to be a target or not.

Well, he certainly will be now you've stated as much!

Apologies for saying you were new to Werewolf, although I'd argue that less talking in general forces Cultists to become more noticable due to their comparably lengthy posts...in theory. It doesn't really matter, now the first day is gone, though.

I shall vote for Nub because of my earlier reasons, and to ensure someone is lynched today.

EDIT:

I'm concerned that no one is defending Nub, nor Nub himself, particularly. I shall therefore waste my vote by voting for tehmoogles.

[duckmanTTF]

nub hasn't been online since last night though, so his silence doesn't really tell us much

[Iball]

nub hasn't been online since last night though, so his silence doesn't really tell us much

True, but if Nub was a Cultist, surely at least one of them would speak up in Nub's defence? Or are they offline as well? Also, I believe now that Nub's more numerous posts (than average) suggest innocence rather than Cultist leanings, for as Woodchip50 mentioned, why draw attention to yourself if you're a Cultist?

Talking of which, why has Woodchip50 been so outspoken in his defence of Zhyl? It wasn't like there was a serious threat against Zhyl.

[Turkey Sandwich]

For similar reasons to why I don't think Zhyl is a cultist (i.e. I really don't think that he would be silly enough to name-drop so obviously), I will not be voting for nub. Honestly I think there's a lack of logic going on here - if we discounted Zhyl because there was no evidence, why are we accusing nub now?

I could be wrong of course, but do we really want to risk lynching an innocent person? Perhaps the guardian angel should protect him? But it's almost midnight now, so it's probably too late.

I shall be wasting my vote on Iball (I'm assuming I still can).

[malcolio]

Looks like The Mna is out of the game then, unless he replies in 1 minute...

[doctor_fruitbat]

Accusations ran rife, with Nub bearing the brunt of the vitriol. However, just one too many townspeople were not convinced of his guilt, and the mob was outweighed by their concerned compatriots. And so they were forced, reluctantly, to step away for yet another night and think over their decisions.

Iball hesitated on the way back to his house; the alleyway that had almost cost him his life was a good shortcut, but could he really trust it? Then again, could he trust any street these days? Darting down the alleyway, he rushed through his front door, and slept in his bed for another night, albeit uneasily.

The next morning, the curious absense of The Mna was noted; searching his house, few of his possessions remained. It seemed he had lost his nerve, and left the town to its own devices. Saddened by this discovery, the townspeople once again began their discussions.

Summary:
No-one was executed.
No-one was snatched.
The Mna is out the game due to lack of replies.

[Small Fry]

Bah, you fools. Ah well, back to (basically) square one.

[tehmoogles]

Voting Nub again - we've got no other leads. It's really hard not to drop any names >.<

[malcolio]

Although nothing has happened this is for the civilian's benefit. The cultists will have to try harder to hint at who they want to kill, which means it's more likely they'll make a mistake. Meanwhile this gives another day for the Celestrial Inquisitors to find the cultists.

So in other words I won't be changing my pacifist stance, and will not vote unless it is needed to stop a lynching. Although obviously if a cultist gives themselves away I will change my mind.

[Roxit]

I have no abstains left woooo.

Anybody mind if I vote for them?

[duckmanTTF]

So is The Mna going to be replaced, and if not do we find out their role?

I'm still not sure if yesterdays vote was swayed by cultists or the voice of reason, but at least the Inquisitors will have more time, so even if we've failed to kill a cultist all has not been lost.

Either way it seems that a lot of people are intending to carry on playing it safe, so I may as well all do the same. Mention no names and make it difficult for the cultists - while we still have the Inquisitors time is on our side.

[woodchip50]

oh crap, for some reason i thought i had today before night fell - i say for some reason, its actually because now i have no structure (like school) i forget what day i am on...

Talking of which, why has Woodchip50 been so outspoken in his defence of Zhyl? It wasn't like there was a serious threat against Zhyl.

???

i was attacking zhyl but whatever.

nub
for today please. i would have changed my vote had i realised yesterday was yesterday and not today.

[hicks]

Nub because i think there's reasonable suspicion

[Snoon]

so nub wasn't lynched because there weren't enough votes? does that mean it's the majority of civilians rather than the majority of votes that count? i'll need to learn up on my wherewolf!

[malcolio]

It is the majority of votes out of all those that voted. 7 out of 15 is not a majority. ;)

[Snoon]

i didn't even realise 15 people had voted - i just saw a sea of nub in bold typeface. i suppose i'll vote the same as before, since i have my suspicions. nub it is.

[Iball]

???

i was attacking zhyl but whatever.

My apologies, although I still believe your mentioning of Zhyl in such a lengthy post is suspicious. Although if you were a Cultist (again!) that'd be amazing luck on your part. :D

Nub because i think there's reasonable suspicion

I'd argue that there isn't reasonable suspicion, and shall spoil my vote by voting for malcolio Everyone who voted for Nub did so based on skimpy evidence, and most admitted as such.

Voting Nub again - we've got no other leads. It's really hard not to drop any names >.<

I'd argue that 'no other leads' is not enough evidence. I think we can afford to abstain another day, and wait to see whom the Cultists kill, and would urge people to do so. Everyone remember that by abstaining so far, the Cultists have killed no one at all.

[Snoon]

i love stalemates me!

[tehmoogles]

This ain't a stalemate. Stalemate is when all you have left is one protector and a Werewolf.

[Snoon]

isn't one protector and one werewolf technically a victory for the baddies?

If the Cultists find themselves deadlocked with a Guardian Angel, then the game will end in favour of the Cultists. This is to prevent abuse of the Guardian Angel's role.

[Turkey Sandwich]

This is getting ridiculous. Why is everyone voting for nub again?
The people have spoken yesterday and decided there was not enough evidence to lynch him, so what the heck is the point in trying to do it again? He hasn't even posted since then to provide more evidence either way. I wonder why he's not trying to defend himself though?

Even if nub is a cultist, what's to be gained from continuing this? We're going round in circles.

Also, think about this: If nub were a cultist, the other cultists would have to namedrop other people in order to achieve anything - and they haven't. But if nub is a civilian, they don't need to do anything yet, as you're all playing into their hands by lynching innocent people.

[Roxit]

I vote for evil-flagpole

[Vercci]

If someone votes for himself, and no other people vote, does he kill himself?

[tehmoogles]

Possibly. Also, we're only voting for nub due to no other leads.

[malcolio]

In previous games the rules didn't allow you to vote for yourself, I think doctor_fruitbat has left that rule out though. We'll see what he says. :)

[swarfegahead]

I'll vote Nub. I like bandwagons, me.

[Iball]

Possibly. Also, we're only voting for nub due to no other leads.

That's a pathetic reason, only marginaly better than doing so because of bandwagons. It makes me even more convinced that you are a Cultist.

[Turkey Sandwich]

Ah well, I can see everyone is ignoring me. Vote how you like, but I'm wasting my vote until there's evidence either way.

If nub doesn't post within the next few hours, won't he be out anyway?

I'm voting for Iball again. No offence, I just know no one else is going to vote for you.

[doctor_fruitbat]

If people want to vote for themselves then knock yourself out. It's your funeral.

[harryashfield]

I'm voting for Turkey Sandwich because although there is not much evidence to support nub, he got awfully defensive over people voting for him, which I feel is a tad suspicious.

[Small Fry]

I'm going to excersize my freedom and vote for that cowardly Small Fry.

I don't think there's any point in voting for the same person, as the people who voted before haven't persuaded any more people to vote so there will still not be a majority. It's so hard not to mention names in explainations :D

[tehmoogles]

That's a pathetic reason, only marginaly better than doing so because of bandwagons. It makes me even more convinced that you are a Cultist.

I haven't dropped any names, and I'm only playing as I've learnt to - if there are no other leads, what am I expected to do?

[Small Fry]

I do agree with that^. How does that make you 'even more' convinced of him being a cultist? What other evidence is there? I think it was a case of grabbing at straws (of a sort) and voting for the person who could possibly be a cultist. As he says, we have no other leads and I have to say, the point of the game is enjoyment, I am not a fan of waiting and hoping.

[Iball]

I do agree with that^. How does that make you 'even more' convinced of him being a cultist? What other evidence is there? I think it was a case of grabbing at straws (of a sort) and voting for the person who could possibly be a cultist. As he says, we have no other leads and I have to say, the point of the game is enjoyment, I am not a fan of waiting and hoping.

Well, yes, it is about enjoyment, but as much as it's the taking part that counts, I found that winning is far more enjoyable. If that means we wait around while the Inquistors etc have more days to search, then that's fine by me.

I do realise there is evidence against Nub, but as others have mentioned, Nub himself hasn't replied to said accusations. This reminds me of another point - Cultists are far more likely to play the game, on the basis that they have far more control over what happens. I know it's not fool proof a theory, but if the evidence against is so flimsy, then it seems perfectly reasonable for the evidence for to be just as much.

I say wait for Nub to reply, if not for the day to end.

[tehmoogles]

I do realise there is evidence against Nub, but as others have mentioned, Nub himself hasn't replied to said accusations. This reminds me of another point - Cultists are far more likely to play the game, on the basis that they have far more control over what happens. I know it's not fool proof a theory, but if the evidence against is so flimsy, then it seems perfectly reasonable for the evidence for to be just as much.

I say wait for Nub to reply, if not for the day to end.

In my experience, if someone's going to be inactive, they will be whatever team they're on. Often the baddies have won because someone flew under the radar and was relatively inactive and quiet.

[hicks]

Just because someone isn't talking doesn't mean they're innocent, the same for vice versa, though this rule of no name dropping is bad for the cultists it will also take us a while to find anything out, and as soon as the inquisitors make themselves known with the guilties surely the cultists will just get them, oh i dont know im all confused now :D

[duckmanTTF]

At this rate we'll end up with a situation where the inquisitors know who all the cultists are, but as no-one is saying anything they can't help us.

Now I think nub will be removed though inactivity tonight (possibly), so even if he is a civilian we may as well lynch to find out for sure. Doesn't seem to be much to lose really. Also, given the cultists failed to strike yesterday, its quite possible one or more of them is/are inactive. Admittedly lynching an inactive cultist doesn't really help in the long run it would still be a good result.

Anyone got any other ideas/theories?

[malcolio]

Nobody will be dropping out the game after tonight, afaik everyone (bar The Mna obviously) replied in the last Day. I vote for malcolio to stop any lynching.

[argh]

Malcolio since he got me killed before and theres not enough votes to kill him :P

Even if he did vote for himself at the same time I did.

[woodchip50]

My Theory: turkeysandwhich is being suspicious by defending nub so. also they have the knowledgable air of a baddie that i recognised in my previous team mates. SO i will vote for them tommorow unless new evidence arises, which it undoubtly will... *sigh* somepeople have put so much effort into avoiding name drops and others are churning them out like NOBODIES buisness SO im sure a new load of conspiracies will be thrown upon us all...

BUT to combat this i think i shall take a new stance to that i took last time and shall be more stern and unchanging in my judgements...

also to iballs silly argument that cultists wouldn't stay off for days - last games zhyl, PBM and mna all stayed off at least once for 3 days, PBM even got kicked off one for inactivity. SO THERE!

[Zhyl]

I'm fairly confident that woodchip isn't a cultist. Snoon has my suspicions, but I may be barking up the wrong tree.

No real evidence so far. Abstain.

[doctor_fruitbat]

The townspeople argued all day, but were even less decisive than before. Nub was still at the centre of the debate, but fewer than ever were convinced of his guilt, and he was spared, along with every other surviving civilian. Night fell, and the town rested uneasily under the blood red sky...

“Tonight?”
“No. We can't trust the angel won't appear tonight.”
“But what if we are discovered?”
“Discovered? They know nothing, and are too afraid to make a move. Time is on our side; we will wait, and see them unravel themselves.”

The night passed uneventfully, and some began to wonder if the Cultist threat was even real any more. Nonetheless, action needed to be taken.

Summary:
No-one was executed.
No-one was snatched.

Narrator note: I'm going to start introducing random variables if this keeps up, like a mysterious plague that wipes out five people at a time.

[duckmanTTF]

erm, I meant to come back to this but got distracted by mario kart :rolleyes:

[malcolio]

OK, with the threat of random death I won't deliberately stop a lynching from happening anymore. If it means 5 of us don't die from luck I'd rather see 1 person die by...well, from what we're going on, luck!

That doesn't mean I won't go after someone for no reason though, if you think someone should be lynched then give me good reason for joining your bandwagon!

[Zhyl]

tehmoogles name-dropped my name a few pages back and he's been acting a bit shifty and defensive since someone called him out on it. In light of the random killings, I will act on my suspicions and vote on him.

tehmoogles

[Vercci]

That seems like enough evidence :rolleyes:

but since we get massacared (sp?) by rabid mexican baseball players if we don't, I'm voting tehmoogles

[tehmoogles]

I'll wait to see if any more people vote for me before telling you why it is a very bad idea.

Zhyl, I only namedropped you because i was worried you might be attacked. Besides, it didn't exactly lead to you being killed, did it?

[Small Fry]

He's right, it didn't. I still think the Nub/turkeysandwich pair are our best bets, now that people are looking more towards lynchings with less evidence. I can't really see anything else.

[Shalashaska]

I'm going to not offer anything to the debate and vote tehmoogles

[harryashfield]

Same here, although he is threataning us now...


I'll wait to see if any more people vote for me before telling you why it is a very bad idea.


tehmoogles

Although I still rmain suspicious of Turkey Sandwich

[hicks]

The plan seems to be working, the game of silence has meant not a single person has been wolfed, look for name drops now methinks as they'll be getting desperate

[argh]

Small fry name drop of Turkey Sandwich?

[malcolio]

I'm voting for swarfegahead for the same reason that he voted for turkey sandwich... I'm voting for Turkey Sandwich because although there is not much evidence to support nub, he got awfully defensive over people voting for him, which I feel is a tad suspicious....tehmoogles

Although I still rmain suspicious of Turkey SandwichI am voting for harryashfield based on the above posts. harryashfield has managed to mention only 2 names in the past few posts of his, a good tactic of trying to get someone lynched while hinting at a member the cultists should be trying to kill. (I tried this same tactic in Game 3, as did most other werewolves/gangsters) His reasons for lynching other members are sub-par at best (why is defending yourself against accusations a bad thing? How is saying that you will defend yourself seen as a threat?). I would normally wait for better evidence, but with this threatened plague and the fact that harryashfield has even less evidence for those he wants to kill, I am voting for him.

I think those that are undecided should look carefully at the previous posts of all those who have been accused, and make their minds up themselves.

[Small Fry]

I thought it might look like that after I put it, but carried on anyway. Just to let you know.

Also, this post is really a rant about how everyone in these games calls me Smallfry or SmallFry. IT HAS A SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. NOT HARD. Just a teensy-weensy space makes all the difference.

/rant

EDIT: That was meant to be above.

[Eschaton]

I am voting for harryashfield based on the above posts. harryashfield has managed to mention only 2 names in the past few posts of his, a good tactic of trying to get someone lynched while hinting at a member the cultists should be trying to kill.

This makes sense, I'm glad that you pointed it out because otherwise I wouldn't have noticed how suspicious he is. My vote is for Harryashfield.

[Turkey Sandwich]

Right, that's it. With the possibility of random deaths, I'm going to agree that we should probably start lynching people (although preferably based on something other than bandwagons).

Partly because of what has been said by people above me, and partly because anyone mentioning me as suspect makes me inherently suspicious of them (as I know I'm innocent), I too shall be voting for harryashfield.

[Vercci]

Now that's more like it.

harryashfield

[tehmoogles]

harryashfield Finally, something that seems like it might actually be a hit.

[Zhyl]

I will change my vote to harryashfield, as evidence is against him more than moogles. If he turns out to be cultist, this would imply that SmallFry is also a cultist, but we shall see.

Moogle, can I have an official denial, please? Make it all legal, like ;)

[malcolio]

Yeah, just because I'm going for harryashfield doesn't mean those he accuses are suddenly guiltless in my eyes, so I expect to see some good defences here. Afterall, harryashfield may be innocent (although if he is he played the game very badly for a civilian!).

[duckmanTTF]

Some exciting bandwagon action - I want in!

harryashfield

[tehmoogles]

Of course you can have a denial. I am not a cultist. Nor am I lying. Although you probably don't want to take my word for it. If an Inquisitor could check me out, I'd be grateful.

[Iball]

harryashfield

For the same reasons as malcolio mentioned. I still remain suspicious of tehmoogles, and now Small Fry as well, but obviously we'll have to wait and see if we've lynched the right person.

Also, this post is really a rant about how everyone in these games calls me Smallfry or SmallFry. IT HAS A SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. NOT HARD. Just a teensy-weensy space makes all the difference.

Sorry if I missed the space, although it's a little over-reactive to rant about that kinda thing. If I was annoyed about people missing the capital I on my name, I'd be ranting myself.



I really hope that there aren't random deaths. This seems to spoil the detective side of the game, I mean, why should the civilians be rushed to kill people? Where's the sanity in that? If when you say random, Doctor Fruitbat, I hope you at least mean some Cultists may also die, because while the civilians have been working hard to keep anyone from being lynched without evidence, the Cultists don't have such a bad excuse to have not killed anyone (beyond targeting myself). I suppose random deaths would spice up the narrative, if it was something more impessive than "Plague!".

[Small Fry]

It was a joke, I'm not really angry :p iball.

Why does harryashfield being a cultist make me one too? And why is everyone suddenly suspicious?

[friendly spoon]

Of course you can have a denial. I am not a cultist. Nor am I lying. Although you probably don't want to take my word for it. If an Inquisitor could check me out, I'd be grateful.

But you could be the cultist leader and even so the inquisitor would have to reveal thmselves to tell anyone so it would be pointless anyway.


I really hope that there aren't random deaths. This seems to spoil the detective side of the game, I mean, why should the civilians be rushed to kill people? Where's the sanity in that?.
Of course. Not doing anything for a couple of days and then jumping on the first person to mention someone else is totally sane in comparison.

[Zhyl]

But you could be the cultist leader and even so the inquisitor would have to reveal thmselves to tell anyone so it would be pointless anyway.

A thief can tell if the cultist leader has a special role or not, if he is acting in that role on the night he is being checked out. Of course, if tehmoogles was a guardian angel or an inquisitor, then similarly he would be seen as "out of the house". It would give a slight indication, but not enough to damn on its own.

[Shalashaska]

harryashfield because he seems to have fucked up quite royally.

[malcolio]

I'm now kinda worried how many people have gone for harryashfield. Nobody has tried to defend him, and with the amount of people voting some must be cultists. Either they think it's too risky trying to defend a doomed ally, or harryashfield isn't a cultist at all! It's too late now to bother trying to change the vote now that 80% are all voting the same way (and with a threat of plague), I'm just now not so sure which side harryashfield is on.

Guess we'll find out soon enough...

[duckmanTTF]

I see your point, but if I was a cultist, and I chose to defend a fellow cultist who had a bandwagon forming it would look extremely suspicious: maybe they're deliberately keeping quiet assuming harryashfield is doomed.

[Turkey Sandwich]

That is indeed a good point, but he does only have 10 votes. I know that seems like a lot, but the same number of people so far haven't voted for him. The cultists could easily just not vote for him, citing bandwagonage or something, and still slip under the radar.

Of course another side-effect of so many people voting for him is that some of the cultists could be thinking 'he's going down anyway' and using it as a chance to make themselves look innocent. So if harryashfield is guilty, we can't on this occasion say that the people who voted for him must be innocent.

[woodchip50]

WOAH! only just checked back...lot of posts... harryashfield because that is actually some immense evidence! not like the trollup we've had recently (some spread by myself)...

hope he wasn't just playing a bad game...

[minisheep]

sorry i havent been on for afew days...
but the obvious evidence is against harryashfield and it is good evidence so i will join the bandwagon! :P

[swarfegahead]

I will vote harryashfield. He's the only person with a reasonable amount of evidence against them.

[Roxit]

harryashfield

[hicks]

I have my doubts, but Harryashfield it is

[Iball]

Harryashfield had best be guilty, but as malcolio has mentioned if we have to lynch someone :rolleyes: then we may as well choose someone who is slightly more suspicous than Nub. Hoepfully the Cultists can actually kill someone, so we have slightly more evidence to work with as well.


Of course. Not doing anything for a couple of days and then jumping on the first person to mention someone else is totally sane in comparison.

It is when we've been threatened with random deaths if no one's lynched. Besides, would you rather we lynch someone who has marginal evidence of being a Cultist, or...you? I would have thought you'd be happier no one's voting for you today.

[argh]

Might as well go Harryashfield because I thought him too.

[malcolio]

Hopefully doctor_fruitbat will post the new day at some point, we'll see if people who voted after the deadline count (not that it will matter either way I guess).

[doctor_fruitbat]

Hopefully doctor_fruitbat will post the new day at some point, we'll see if people who voted after the deadline count (not that it will matter either way I guess).
It's midnight tonight, innit.

There will be no random deaths or any plague; that was just to galvanise you lot into action.

[malcolio]

Heh, I'm losing track of time...

Glad to hear there's no plague though, looks like the threat worked. :D

[harryashfield]

What the HELL? I get round to finally checkig this, and suddenly I'm doomed?

Okay. Fine. This is just what happened in the last f**king game, but there we go.

I would just like to point out to all you bandwagoners that the evidence that malcolio has pointed out makes no sense.

My accusations were all logical, or with no thought behind them.
I just wanted to save my abstains.

I am a civilian. Just a civilian. I the last game all the civilians were killed off and we lost, because stupid bandwagons were created.

HOWEVER... There was no evidence to put me forward, and now malcolio has started a bandwagon?

I change my vote. Malcolio

I am a civilian. It isn't too late to change all your votes, but listen to what I have said. If I die, I hope you all notice the l\ck of evidence Malcolio put together, and lynch him tomorrow.

Cock it.

[malcolio]

If it helps harryashfield, I'm pretty sure you're not a cultist now. I was expecting some people to come to your defence but nobody has, which makes me think you're a civilian and the cultists have jumped on to the bandwagon I created. Especially considering that not one single person has voted any other way... So sorry if I've killed you off and you are a civilian, but I'd be more angry at those that have gone along with what I said without giving their own views. At least I backed up my accusation with some thought behind it...

And btw, lack of evidence? I gave more evidence than you ever did, hypocrite. :p

[Vercci]

If I had another vote, right now I'd vote harryashfield again just for the OH NO YOU DI 'NT value :D

[harryashfield]

Fair enough Malcolio. It just didn't seem very... concrete. But one final question for you all to ponder on.

Can a guardian angel save himself?

[tehmoogles]

Guardian Angels can save themselves from Cultists and Veterans but not execution.

[hicks]

Hang on the guardian angel could just reveal themselves, as no citizens would execute him theyd be safe and the cultists couldn't hurt him, whattup with that?:p

[tehmoogles]

Because the GA can only protect one person per night, and they'd have to figure out whether to protect themselves or someone else every night.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Day 4 is now over.

Tears rolled down the cheeks of harryashfield. “I'm not a cultist,” he whispered hoarsely, his head hung low. The citizens were adamant though; a number hustled him to the stake eagerly, a few others holding back a little more. Regardless of their individual thirst for justice, the verdict was clear; harryashfield seemed the most likely culprit, and his death screams mingled with the crackle of flames as his body was wreathed in fire. As he did so, the sky deepened again, blood red washing across the sky and darkening the town yet again. The citizens exchanged worried glances. When the fire died away and his smouldering corpse fell to the ground, the ropes that bound him having burned right through, a thorough search of his house was ordered.

Anger burned through the citizens; not a scrap of evidence for his supposed misdeeds could be found, and as the night wore on even the most adamant of citizens couldn't deny that he clearly was not a cultist. They left for their homes, ashamed and confused. If he wasn't a cultist, then who was? Malcolio felt the gnawing tingle of guilt more than most; despite realising his mistake, he was the one who had set the ball rolling. And now, it had cost the lives of an innocent. The distant rumble of thunder sounded...

Two of the citizens walked home together, both a little more pleased than the others.

“I think we can sleep easily tonight. The fools have no idea who to trust, nor who to kill”.
“Shall we act tonight?”
“No; our Lord is satisfied. We are best to continue our preparations slowly.”

The next morning, the intermittent sound of thunder hadn't ceased. The citizens grew worried; the price of failure was starting to manifest, and it could only be so long before the cultists unveiled their schemes. And in the night, one Pie-Badger-Man had apparently pulled together his belongings and rode from town, his quiet demeanour most likely a sign of his fear, or possibly his guilt. Only time would tell why he chose to leave.

Summary:
harryashfield was killed, and was a civilian.
No-one was snatched.
Pie-Badger-Man has been removed for non-activity.

harryashfield may post in the dead thread, but no longer in here.

[malcolio]

I’m sorry I accused harryashfield, it led to a bandwagon that the cultists were able to push along. By the time I realised that he couldn’t be a cultist with the lack of defence he was getting it was a bit late. I fully admit I made a mistake but it was based on the best evidence I could see, and many of you agreed with me. Otherwise there is no proof that I am a cultist, so if you blindly vote for me then I will consider you a cultist. If you mention my name I will consider you a cultist.

I will vote for malcolio for now as I’ve done enough damage, but I will be scanning the previous pages for clues as to who were too quick to agree with my accusation.

[Zhyl]

I'm going away for a few days, so I'm going to be removed from the game anyway. Hopefully this won't be in vein, however, as I wish to impart some knowledge.

I am the thief, and my findings are thusly:

-Woodchip50 is innocent.
-Small Fry is innocent.

Of course they could just be lazy.

However:

-Snoon was out of the house. I think she is a cultist.
-tehmoogles was out of the house. He has officially denied being a cultist, but chances are he is one.

My other deduction is that Vercci is a citizen for the reason that he jumped on the moogles bandwagon before anyone else. If he were a cultist I'm sure he wouldn't have been so quick to condemn one of his own unless a) he is really stupid or b) moogles is an inquisitor or a GA.

If by some quirk I haven't been murdered or removed from the game by the time I come back, then I will resume playing. Until then, I wish you goodbye and good luck.

[malcolio]

Out of interest, why do you think Snoon and tehmoogles are cultists, couldn't they both just be angels? Doesn't that mean that your deduction about Vercci is meaningless?

Also I won't believe that you're a thief until you are removed from the game and your identity is revealed, no offence. I hope you aren't booted out though!

[Zhyl]

That's the trouble of thiefing. The only real proof I can offer is that if I wanted to stir stuff up I would claim to be an inquisitor. If there are 4 cultists then there is a 4/7 chance they are evil. If there are 5 cultists then the chance is 5/7. I would bet that at least one of them is a wrongdoer.

[malcolio]

That does make sense (I'm rubbish at maths but still got it!), I suppose you don't want to vote before you leave?

[Turkey Sandwich]

I have a quick question: Would the cultist leader show up as 'out of the house' to the thief?

[Zhyl]

Yes.

@malcolio: I'm betting on tehmoogles again.

[malcolio]

OK, although I don't think tehmoogles is a cultist, maybe a Celestrial Inquisitor though. Considering the number of posts he's made in this game so far he hasn't dropped any names but yours, and even then he gave a good reason why. Snoon on the other hand didn't post at all in the last Day, so maybe that's why the cultists didn't kill anyone again?

But in any case neither of them have enough evidence to warrent an accusation, even with your proof Zhyl. I especially don't want to accidentally lynch a Celstrial Inquisitor or Guardian Angel!

[swarfegahead]

In light of this new info, I shall also vote tehmoogles.
I know it isn't exactly condemning evidence, but there still isn't much evidence against anyone else, and all this inaction is going nowhere.

[malcolio]

I think voting for any of the players that have been 'out of the house' is a bad idea. As you said it isn't condemning evidence, what it does mean that if we get this wrong we're likely to kill a Guardian Angel or Celestrial Inquistor. I think the evidence has to be a lot better before we risk that!

And inaction is good, unless doctor_fruitbat really does go through his threat then I don't see why we can't keep abstaining.

[swarfegahead]

Hmmm, thats a good point.I guess I'll have to think more carefully about who I'm voting for from now on. There's already one civilian death, the last thing we need is the loss of the GA or the Inquisitor.

Saying that, going by the common sense in your post malcolio, I don't think there's too much worry of tehmoogles getting a majority vote now :D

[Roxit]

Zhyl

[Vercci]

[OFFGAME]I'm just wondering, if a inquisitor knows all cultists (except the leader), the angel could protect him while we lynch all the people he names.

The downside being that the leader can attack every night.

If the game reaches a stage like this, I wonder if the good people could still win[/offtopic]

[tehmoogles]

Yeah, I was out of the house, but I'm not the cultist leader. Now that you've revealed me as such, I'm going to be a target, meaning there's no point in me hiding what I am. I'm the Guardian Angel, and so far I've done an okay job of it - nobody's been snatched, and I protected Iball when he was attacked.

Okay, so I've revealed myself. If an Inquisitor knows any Cultists, I can offer protection to them. I'm going to have to protect myself until that happens, though >.>

[Roxit]

No I'm the Guardian Angel!

[duckmanTTF]

I'm the guardian angel, and so is my wife!

[Iball]

I had the feeling that harryashfield wasn't a cultist, but if we're going to be threatened with random deaths, there's not a lot else we can do. Out of interest, surely the cultists should be punished (if anyone is going to be) because unlike the civilians, they've done almost nothing so far. If they had, we would have had far more to go one when deciding whom to lycnh...

As it is, I'm going for Snoon.

[argh]

Evil Flagpole Whats up with him?

[Shalashaska]

Evil Flagpole

[Roxit]

Why?

[Turkey Sandwich]

You're is acting very strangely. Assuming you weren't joking, why would you claim to be the GA without offering anything to support that?

And why are you voting for Zhyl? You could at least explain your reasoning for this strange choice.

[Iball]

You're is acting very strangely. Assuming you weren't joking, why would you claim to be the GA without offering anything to support that?

And why are you voting for Zhyl? You could at least explain your reasoning for this strange choice.

I'd agree, except Duckman also claimed to be the GA. Also, their comments raise the fact that saying you are a GA has no weight at all, in the same way that saying "I'm not a Cultist, honest!" is in no way helpful. I think we should wait for EF to explain why he voted for Zhyl before anyone votes for him. Otherwise I'd agree that his vote is just a name-drop.

Another theory is that TS is a Cultist, and/or/nor Argh and Shalashka are Cultists as well, but then we could make theories out of anything really.

[Eschaton]

Why?

Because almost all of your posts so far have been a single word. You never elaborate and that's fairly suspicious. My vote goes for Evil-Flagpole.

Come to think of it, it's quite possible that Tehmoogles is actually a cultist. He's only saying that he's a GA so that we won't vote for him and he can lure out the Inquisitor. We can't rule out this possibility.

[Turkey Sandwich]

I'd agree, except Duckman also claimed to be the GA.

Well I'm assuming Duckman was joking, considering his wife is probably not the GA, heh. Evil-flagpole didn't really seem like he was joking, but I could be wrong. He should at least confirm or deny this.

@ Eschaton: I'm not sure how he could be trying to lure out the inquisitor, it says in the rules that all the celestials know each other's identities.

[Roxit]

Fair enough.

For claiming to be the Guardian Angel, that was more of a 'I'm Spartacus' moment where we try to hide the real GA's identity.

As for voting Zhyl, well I have nobody to vote for yet so I thought I would vote for somebody who is going to leave the game anyway shortly, therefore no harm done.

[duckmanTTF]

I'd agree, except Duckman also claimed to be the GA.

I was quoting Monty Python's Life of Brian - hadn't thought of Spartacus. Just to clarify - I'm definitely not the GA

Quite a lot has happened so far today, so I'm not going to vote just yet to allow time to try and sort out who's telling the truth.

[Iball]

Fair enough.

For claiming to be the Guardian Angel, that was more of a 'I'm Spartacus' moment where we try to hide the real GA's identity.

As for voting Zhyl, well I have nobody to vote for yet so I thought I would vote for somebody who is going to leave the game anyway shortly, therefore no harm done.

This is exactly the kind of response I was looking for.

I don't think there's enough evidence to vote for EF. In fact I think it'd be best if we 'abstain' today. If no one is lynched, then I think it'd be unfair of Dr. Fruitbat to randomly kill us because we went out of our way to lynch someone yesterday with disastrous results. Civilians are going to drop out anyway in the next few days, so there's little point in risking more 'deaths'. Hopefully the Cultists will get their act together and kill one of us, so we can work back on who mentioned the victim's name.

So again, I think people should try and stop a lynching, especially of EF.

To Eschaton: saying just the one word is a good way of trying not be noticed in this game. Take woodchip50's two word response in post number 52 of this thread, or the several one word posts of 'abstain' on the first day. Even if EF was a Cultist, there's little point in trying to get the others to kill someone who'll leave the game soon anyway.

[doctor_fruitbat]

A crash of thunder sounded, and the earth did tremble mightily. And lo, did the heavens part, and from a mass of celestial light did the hand of God descend upon the citizens of Donkeyville. Pointing directly at Iball, its size SO MIGHTY that its very fingernail was two feet across, it spake thusly;

"I was just kidding about the plague. Ye gods, I'm actually tempted to do it now, just to teach you a lesson. You just watch yourselves, got it?"

And the Lord did depart, and peace reigned once again, and Iball did run home to change his underpants, for which there was much rejoicing. And so the day continued.

[malcolio]

^ LOL! :D (No really, I laughed out loud at this!)

[Shalashaska]

I'm gonig to sitck with EF because it's 11:30 and I am in my arse going to do any thinking.

[Vercci]

god came and iball shat.

hot shit right there

[tehmoogles]

Hm, I really can't see who we can vote for.

[argh]

I voted for EF even though I got the whole "Spartacus" thing, but people have a habit of bandwaggoning when I say anything.

[woodchip50]

Oh thank god! i can speak freely as you all know i am nothing more than a dull civillian !!!! and as no one has disputed zhyls claims (i.e. one of those he named saying they do not leave the house) YOU ALL CAN BE DELIGHTFULLY SURE !!!!!

i am fearful for the death of either zhyls or tehmoogles tonight. depending. however until this day has played out i cannot conclude either of my outrageous theories :D

and until then i doubt i will be spouting them out at y'all...

but for now i would like to simply argue EF is most likely innocent, and that snoon gets my vote

[Roxit]

I voted for EF even though I got the whole "Spartacus" thing, but people have a habit of bandwaggoning when I say anything.

So what you voted me for why?

[Iball]

I'm annoyed now, because I only voted for Harryashfield because DF threatened random deaths.

I voted for Dr.F even though I got the whole "Spartacus" thing

Right...

You know, if you do get lynched EF, you have only yourself to blame. This is a game where any abnormality is immediately pounced upon (like in real life!) and the resulting victim is quite often killed. Take Zhyl for example, on the first day. He made a joke about lynching me, which is just as innocent as your Spartacus comment. While I'd rather no one was killed, I think it should be an example to anyone playing the game that the less pointless interjections, the more likely the civilians can win the game.

I know I had a good reason to choose Snoon earlier (hence why my vote still stands) but I can't for the life of me find any posts that he's made in the last five pages of this thread. So I guess he'll be out of the game anyway...I hope the Cultists don't win just because half the civilians are kicked out...

Any chance of adding new people to the game, Dr Fruitbat?

[Roxit]

If I do get lynched I will blame everyone who voted to lynch me.

[Iball]

If I do get lynched I will blame everyone who voted to lynch me.

That seems sensible. It's either that or blaming people who didn't vote for you. :D

[hicks]

I've noticed the above poster (no name dropping for me) is name dropping a lot and his posts hold a lot of weight with most people, couldn't the cultists have tricked us when in trying to kill him first round, just to make him look innocent?

for those reasons (unless something was said to prove his innocence I've not noticed ) i vote Iball

[Snoon]

I know I had a good reason to choose Snoon earlier (hence why my vote still stands) but I can't for the life of me find any posts that he's made in the last five pages of this thread. So I guess he'll be out of the game anyway...I hope the Cultists don't win just because half the civilians are kicked out...

ach, i don't know what to say, it's a bit infuriating. i just hope your good reason for voting for me goes beyond zhyl's claim - last time i checked appealing to authority was still a logical fallacy. no idea what i can do to prove being a civilian, hopefully something'll come up for me.

edit- and i'm a girl, heh. you must not go into the hot tub!

[Small Fry]

Oh tosh. They aren't that organised, unless they converse via PMs. That is the biggest load of bollocks I've heard all game, quite frankly. And believe me, some bollocks has been said.

Also, do we have proof that Zhyl is a thief? Nopety nope. Therefore all the people he mentioned could be cultists just as easily as civilians (well, not really due to probability of randomly picking the minority etc.). Also, yes, I know he mentioned me too, but that doesn't mean I'm blinded and think everyone else he mentioned is a civilian too. We need more proof.

[Turkey Sandwich]

I believe I will vote for evil-flagpole.

I believe him when he says he was basically joking before, but there's no one else to vote for and he's not going to get lynched anyway. Unless more people vote after me, in which case I may change mine.

The people claiming to have their particular roles may be telling the truth, but there's no way us normal folks can know whether they are or not, so I won't trust their info yet.

[duckmanTTF]

It will be interesting to see whether or not anyone gets lynched today after various people claiming to be various roles. I'm reluctant to vote for or indeed mention any of them in case the one I mention is lynched making me look like a cultist, however I still have to vote and I'd quite like to save my second abstention. So my vote goes to Turkey Sandwich in a vote wasting sort of way, but also as I reckon he might be name dropping.

Maybe tomorrow we'll have something more to work with

[argh]

So what you voted me for why?

Because I had to vote for someone? I should probably be the last person to vote because it keeps freakin' happening that people vote with my random vote.

[Turkey Sandwich]

So my vote goes to Turkey Sandwich in a vote wasting sort of way, but also as I reckon he might be name dropping.

Glad you drew my attention to that, I don't want it to look like I ordered it if he gets killed tonight (which he has a 50/50 chance of anyway btw, seeing as the cultists will probably go for one of the people claiming to have a role - unless one of them is a cultist and lying of course).

Therefore I have removed the name from the post in question.

For the record, it is late now, so there's no way I could be name-dropping with intent to get someone killed tonight, as most people won't get a chance to see that post before the day ends, especially as I edited it within about 10 minutes. Plus I defended that particular person earlier on, so I clearly don't want him dead.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Day 5 is now over.

The Crimson Moon tavern was full of mirth and cheer that night; the steadily declining customer base seemed to be levelling off, and there seemed little point in moping all night long. And so after another fruitless day of indecisiveness and disagreement, the townpeople felt that a measured amount of merriment was in order. Even the Cultists, whoever they were, were apparently joining in the occasion, as no ill-fortune befell the citizens that night, and a few fights and a couple of spilt drinks later, the tavern emptied, and the populace staggered unsteadily home.

The following morning the atmosphere was gloomy, more from headaches than any evil-doings during the night, although a spate of break-ins was starting to receive some attention. So once again the citizens pondered, though a little more quietly and muzzily than normal.

Summary:
No-one was executed.
No-one was snatched.

All citizens contract Hangover, and take damage to their willpower.

[Roxit]

Maybe the rule should be changed that if somebody gets 3 or more votes to be lynched than the second most then they get lynched. Or somthing like that if you understand what I meant.

[tehmoogles]

Execution could be on Plurality rather than Majority - that would speed things up.

[argh]

Oh god, guys, stop shouting, my head......

[malcolio]

No, if you change the voting that way then the cultists can all vote one way and control it completely.

And I don't even drink and I get a hangover...'tis cruel!

Abstain

[argh]

Theres not that many cultists unless they give decent enough arguments to get civvies to join in the lynching.

[malcolio]

There's 5, so going by the rule change suggested above that would be enough. Based on plurality that would work too, seeing as most of us are voting for completetly different players (that would ruin the point of abstaining too). Either way I prefer us not killing anyone if we're not sure about, rather than someone being shoved out of the game because only 3 or 4 people wanted them out.

EDIT: Never mind, see the Dead thread.

[Roxit]

I suppose so. Anyway I do believe Zhyl hasn't been removed from the game yet so my vote is for him as there will be no harm done unless d_f plans to keep him on.

[Small Fry]

I think we've been getting progressively less and less evidence. At least we're not jumping on the little we have like in the previous 2 :rolleyes: Also...

Argghh...the light! Turn it out, damn it, the orange burns.
Must...have...more...coffee.

[Iball]

All citizens contract Hangover, and take damage to their willpower

:D



This is getting very dissapointing. Don't get me wrong, the more days wasted means the more chances the Inquisitors have of finding out who the cultists are (hopefully they asked after the people Zhyl mentioned...), but as long as the Cultists don't kill anyone, we don't have any firm evidence to go on, as Small Fry mentioned.

I think it's worth sticking out with the abstains, and seeing how we go. I'll check over the entire thread later and make some theories, but obviously there is hardly any evidence to support the lynching of anyone, so it reallys seems a pointless waste of time.

i'm a girl, heh. you must not go into the hot tub!

Sorry, that's me being old and assuming most people on the internet are male. :D Also, no, I barely frequent the Hot Tob (or anywhere outside the Werewolf? threads, for that matter). If it's any consolation, I retract my previous vague accusation.

Until otherwise made clear, I shall abstain today, or otherwise waste my vote.

[woodchip50]

RIGHT!

with nothing happening and my lapytop's charger breaking im going to throw quite the spanner in the works!

i am going to instruct the CULTISTS even though i am not one of them, to kill off either iball or turkey sandwich.

WHY?!?!?!?!? you ask in dismay??? because you all suck about as much as i did when i was one of those roles AND YOU NEED TO MAKE THE GAME MORE INTERESTING!!!!

im sure this sort of suicidal thing has never happened before but HELL im going for it now! so kill one of those two ( use SOME subtle suggestion to figure out who OR just pick the one who isn't a cultist if i nabbed one ) and let the rest of the civillians kill me today OR be shot tonight by the ... person who can do that.. urmm, vvvvv.... VETERAN! i think thats what they're called. OR i shall try my best to get online and continue playing... do not kick me out please DF as i may still be playing...

oh and also i said 2 people coz there is that pesty angel for you to work around.... GAH! it's like this game was built for the cilvillians to win for once!!!!

annywho so to recap:
kill either Iball or turkey sandwich tonight
Small Fry is innocent
THIS IS SOME SPLENDID SPANNER-THROWING-INTO-WORKS-THING that i am doing and am infact nothing more than a sligtly deranged civillian with no sense of gammar NOR (see that poor tense choice?) spelling capabilities - unless by some miracle everything here is spelt correctly - i do not know.... i do not know the correct spelling of much of my vocab...

TOODEL-PIP!

[Small Fry]

woodchip50. You crazy boy.

EDIT: Also, why is my name in there randomly?

[woodchip50]

i realised half way through that you must be innocent. so i put it in there.

[Small Fry]

Why must I be innocent? Most suspicious, I must say.

[woodchip50]

once i am dead, and my civillianness is confirmed and zhyl is dead and his thieving made known - THEN it shall be most evident that you are indeed innocent.

i should say, i am more than sure that zhyl is infact the thief.

[duckmanTTF]

We already has a spanner in the works thanks to the cultists being inactive yesterday - we hardly needed another.

What should have happened was that after all the events of yesterday was one of of 2 things: either the thief accidentally mentioned a inquisitor, who would then have spoken out to help the civilians as much as possible before being killed; or the thief named 2 cultists resulting in him being lynched for being too much of a threat.

Unfortunately neither happened, which leaves a number of possibilities: that one of the above theories is true, but the cultists were inactive for some reason; the 'thief' may have lied and named civilians resulting in the cultists not bothering to target him; alternatively the cultists guessed that one of the people named by a truthful thief was in fact an inquisitor, and there was a split vote amongst them resulting in neither being killed (I'm assuming here that had the GA successfully protected someone then we would have been told).

Given all of that, I'm at a loss for who to vote for, and now its just got even more confusing.

EDIT: surely you being dead doesn't prove anyone's innocence - if you are a civilian then we know you're honest, but you still wouldn't know another civilians innocence, and technically neither does the thief - an inactive cultist would not be out of the house.

[Small Fry]

Oh shit. Really? An inactive cultist would still be at home...and we have more than enough of them. That would mean that Zhyl's evidence would count for nothing. And not prove my innocence. Oh shit.

[woodchip50]

BAH! just you wait....

[duckmanTTF]

To quote from the thief's role description on the first page If that player is performing their role as Veteran, Cultist, Guardian Angel or Celestial Inquisitor during the night then they will be out of their house, and the Thief will be informed via PM at the start of the next day.
Which implied to me that any of those people not 'performing their role' i.e voting/sending a PM etc, then they wouldn't show up as out of the house. We could do with clarification on that point actually.

[Shalashaska]

Abstain

Too many roles is very confusing, and i could go through the thread and work stuff out, but cba really.