The Passion of The Christ (Spoilertastic)

[Sorcha]

I saw it on the 25th, the day it was released here in Australia, and I have to say, it certainly stunned the living shit out of me.

I'm not a very religious person even though I'm Catholic (I like to think of myself as more Agnostic though) and I've never even thought of the story of Jesus' last days could be told in the way it did. It was very graphic. Very gruesom. Very eye-opening. I was crying pretty much through the whole thing and I couldn't even watch certain parts because I knew I wouldn't have been able to take it.

I would just like to know what other people have thought about the movie, if they've seen it, if they want to see it, it they think it's a pile of fundamentalist Christian poop, and just generally what they think about making a movie on the basis of one person's interpretation of a very old story.

[Mexican Pie]

Is it really that gruesome?

[Sorcha]

Well, to me, it was. I'm rather senstive to senseless violence. Especially when the people dishing out the violence are enjoying being covered in someone elses blood and laughing at the fact someone is having their back pulverised into a mass of mushed flesh...

[Rogue]

Originally posted by SazZa
and laughing at the fact someone is having their back pulverised into a mass of mushed flesh...

thanks sazza. I was thinking about not being scaredy and going to see passion today but now i realize i would most definitely not be able to sit through it:eek:

[electro_cheese]

I think it might be quite funny to see Jesus getting killed but apart from that I can't really see any reason why I'd go to see it :p

[Schism]

i saw it.

its beoming contraversial because so many people are acusing mel gibson of acusing jews of killing christ (so many accusations)

i disagree completely

i also think that it is a movie, and reguardless of religon it is still a form of entertainment, and should not be taken too seriously nor into too much consideration because there is really no way of having accurate information on the topic of christ

hope i havent offended anyone.

[l33t k1w1]

Originally posted by Schism
its beoming contraversial because so many people are acusing mel gibson of acusing jews of killing christ (so many accusations)

We have been studying this at church over the last few weeks and all the evidence seems to point to to the Jews.

Anyways, what's the point of having a spoiler thread when nearly everyone knows what happened? It's like having spoilers for Lord of the Rings. :p

[Sorcha]

I just realised I should have had the topic name saying it was a spoiler... thanks to the mod who fixed that for me. A thousand apologise.

[Mexican Pie]

Spoiler?

Dude, we all know what the basic drift of the movie is:p.

Jesus dies for out sins. Gets revived. He rules!

[mini_ninja_pir8]

im a christian(just converted the other day)and,well, i really dont want to go see that movie,

although i like senseless violence,and horror movies,

i dont want to see this,really,

im just getting depressed looking at this thread,but its also captivating

[Destrukto]

I watched the film this evening and I am sorry to say I found it quite bad....

They took the last few chapters of all four Gospels and mixed them up to get a story that ended up in 30 minutes of dialogue and 90 minutes of seeing someone bleeding more by the minute...

Yes, crucifixion was like that, people dying horribly...

No, that is not telling a story...

If it was Gibsons idea to shock me, he failed.
Why? Because shock only works by contrast. His worst shock was the flogging, which was horrendous indeed, but after that, i was numbed.
Maybe that is what he wanted, but the filming did not seem to suggest it...

Starting on a high point is never a good idea for a story...

The controversy for antisemitism is ridiculous i feel, the bad guys are politicians here, they have a religious agenda, but come on, it's politics, not judaism that is at stake here, i do not know what the defamation league was talking about...

All in all, a film that has nice lighting and scenery, but storywise quite shite...

[Sorcha]

I agree with everything Destrukto just said.

I don't really want to say it was shite cos it's someone's interpretation of their religion and that would be prejudice but I didn't like it very much at all...

[PieKaos]

I tend to disagree. But to each their own. One thing is for sure, at least that I've found. Go with someone. If you're religious or just emotional, it is too intense to be experienced on your own. Personally, I never cry at movies. I hardly ever cry EVER. I cried at this. It's very powerful if you want it to be.

[Rogue]

I want to see the passion. I really do. However, I just do not think i could handle watching it because i am so sensitive to violence on and off screen (particularly when jesus is the victim).

I would probably cry too loudly in the theater so i am waiting for the DVD.

As a christian I appreciate mel gibson's efforts to make a movie about christ. I have such a new level of respect for gibson as a person and my heart goes out to him.

I have heard fellow christians talk about this movie and have come to the conclusion that the violence had a point. Christ did not have to undergo the punishment he received. He chose to because he wanted to die for our sins.

Gibson wanted to show everyone that Christ took a beating for all of us. And from what i have heard he did this quite effectively.

I think the fact jesus died so brutally is one of the most moving aspects of christianity. Yet, I am ashamed to admit that i don't even have the courage to watch an estimate of what he went through on a movie screen.

[PieKaos]

Honestly, don't be ashamed. It's really humbling to think that He did that for US! I know that I personally am not worthy of that. You do look at things a lot differently afterwards. I actually went home and went to sleep after because I was so emotionally drained.

[Destrukto]

Originally posted by Rogue
As a christian I appreciate mel gibson's efforts to make a movie about christ. I have such a new level of respect for gibson as a person and my heart goes out to him.

I have heard fellow christians talk about this movie and have come to the conclusion that the violence had a point. Christ did not have to undergo the punishment he received. He chose to because he wanted to die for our sins.

Gibson wanted to show everyone that Christ took a beating for all of us. And from what i have heard he did this quite effectively.

I think the fact jesus died so brutally is one of the most moving aspects of christianity. Yet, I am ashamed to admit that i don't even have the courage to watch an estimate of what he went through on a movie screen.

I can understand Gibson from a religious point of view, but to me he just lay open one of the things Christianity got wrong about making a sacrifice...

In this film he (for me) bears the message that sacrificing is hard, and supposed to be hard. And painful, and bloody...
That just doesn't wash with me...
Judaism has JOY in their religion, even in hard times, as does buddhism and hinduism

Islam is less so...

The point Gibson makes, of Christ voluntarily taking on this torture is moot...
The driving force was not him, it was political bigotry, if you read the story told in this film...
Even if he HAD spoken out, he still would have suffered...
So Gibson tried to push a point that just isn't there...
He tries to put it in, but if you look factual it just isn't there...

The fact he died so horribly is not the central point of christian faith, and even then it needs to be contrasted with the Christ that loved so much that he even sidestepped the tenets of his own religion (episode with the samaritan woman that forced HIM to see he had to help her).

Without that this film is just an unbalanced film...

Good as a documentary, although I laughed at the fact that the cross was too perfect (Romans would have just provided a splintery pice of wood).

Not as a story...

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Destrukto
I can understand Gibson from a religious point of view, but to me he just lay open one of the things Christianity got wrong about making a sacrifice...

In this film he (for me) bears the message that sacrificing is hard, and supposed to be hard. And painful, and bloody...
That just doesn't wash with me...
Judaism has JOY in their religion, even in hard times, as does buddhism and hinduism

Islam is less so...



Jesus wanted people to be happy.

"I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. When you obey me, you remain in my love, just as i obey my Father and remain in his love. I have told you this so that you will be filled with my JOY. Yes, your joy will overflow! I command you to love each otehr in the same way i love you. And here is how to measure it - the greatest love is shown when people lay down their lives for their friends. You are my friends if you obey me" John 15:9-15

Sacrificing is hard. That is why sacrifice involves giving something up. Jesus gave his life which is the ultimate sacrifice . I know that very few human beings would be willing to sacrifice their own life for everyone including their enemies. I would not have the courage.

Jesus did stand for joy. He never wanted people to be unhappy. When he was alive he ate with people and drank wine with them and healed them when they were sick. And he was willing to listen to even the most insignificant of children.

But he did warn people that things would not always run smoothly for them (especially if they followed his teachings). But joy often comes from within.

The fact he died so horribly is not the central point of christian faith

Well in my opinion it is one of the central points of the christian faith. I am unsure as to what the 'one central point' of the christian faith is. Perhaps it is 'forgiveness'. Hmmmmmm *ponders*

In fact i think that the way he died says a lot about this world we live in. The one guy who comes along with a message of kindness and love gets massacred.

[dandaman]

Originally posted by electro_cheese
I think it might be quite funny to see Jesus getting killed but apart from that I can't really see any reason why I'd go to see it :p

Okay you mindless tard...why is it funny for ANYONE to be gruesomely killed? And I won't even drag my belief of Jesus as the Christ into this. How is the very serious depiction of someone being killed in the worst way possible "funny"?

I think any normal sane person, including atheists, would not find this film funny. Disagree with it? I'm sure there are many that do. Find it freaking hilarious? Only the people messed up in the head.

Now explain yourself, sicko.

[Boyinabox]

Originally posted by electro_cheese
I think it might be quite funny to see Jesus getting killed but apart from that I can't really see any reason why I'd go to see it :p


I thought I would be the only one to minus rate him but I'm glad I'm wrong

[squealpiggy]

Originally posted by l33t k1w1
We have been studying this at church over the last few weeks and all the evidence seems to point to to the Jews.

Anyways, what's the point of having a spoiler thread when nearly everyone knows what happened? It's like having spoilers for Lord of the Rings. :p

Be very careful about where "evidence" leads you. Don't forget that Jesus was Jewish, so were his followers, so was his mother, so were many people who were not pharisee. The pharisee were a political priesthood who saw Jesus as a threat to their rule. They were not evil bloodthirsty jews. They were evil bloodthirsty politicians who happened to be Jewish.

I think it might be quite funny to see Jesus getting killed but apart from that I can't really see any reason why I'd go to see it

I realy hope that the Christians are right after reading that, you contemptable little arse.

[J-R]

I was born Jewish but am pretty much an agnostic.

I think the Jewish community have shot themselves in the foot by publicising this movie. It seems unlikely to me that it won't really be anti-semetic any more than it is anti-roman and we've made too big a deal out of it.

I'm also not sure it was right to make this movie, but I'm definately going to have to see it.

Does anyone else think it's ironic Monica 'Gonna get my (fake?) breasts out' Belluci got a leading role?

[Rogue]

Originally posted by J-R

Does anyone else think it's ironic Monica 'Gonna get my (fake?) breasts out' Belluci got a leading role?




Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

hehe :p

[Twiz]

The Passion of The Christ (Spoilertastic) how can you have a spoiler for the bible?Unless you don't know the story, surely everyone knows the plot and ending!:rolleyes:

[Sorcha]

That's a point, but maybe some people don't want to know how gruesom it is before they see it? I know it would probably take the emphasis out of the movie. Well, it would for me anyway. I'd rather watch it, then form an opinion of it, rather then read what other people have said first. (Lots of people have asked me why it says Spoilertastic already, and the answer is, ASK THE MODS!)

Being Catholic, I can't really say I didn't like this movie but also being rather Agnostic and very sciencey in my logical view of the world, alot of... well, everything about any religion just confuses me. There are so many contradictions in all religions and so many interpretations that are just plain incorrect, I've given up being religious! All of it just makes my head sick.

Also, another point I don't think alot of people understand, is that ALOT of people died the way Jesus died. This fact makes me want to throw up. It annoys me how some people seem to think that only Jesus went through all the pain of dying for 'us' (whatever that means). I don't see how a religion can result from some guy who happened to piss alot of priests off, died because he was having 'visions' and heard 'voices'.

(I'm extremely sorry if I've offended anyone, I'm rather tired at the moment and I'm speaking my mind. I just don't see how someone who sees things and hears voices can be labeled a prophet or a messiah when these days someone like that would be locked up in a mental asylum.)

[electro_cheese]

Here's my reason for saying that it would be funny, I am glad Jesus died, if he was alive again today he should be killed again, he caused far more trouble than he solved over a load of lies. Okay I know I am being a bit harsh but the thing is I like the whole thing about loving everyone but the rest of the stuff about Jesus being a martyr and all that needs to be forgotten and yes I think that people are entitled to their opinions, but in my eyes the world would be a better place without religion. Yes I don't know anything but I don't think it is right for you to - rate me for saying that it is like me minus rating you because you are a Christian.

PS Everyone knows that the real Jesus is Kurt Cobain, he died for our sins people!

PPS I posted that to get a response, yes in a way it was shamefaced trolling but also it was my view...

EDIT: Also you are calling me a contemptible arse for saying that but the truth is for me it is just like seeing any other fictional character get killed in a movie, for example Mickey Mouse, now I know that it is a real person in the movie so it shouldn't really be funny, but then again it is only a movie, after all you laugh at the cheesy horror films when people get killed...

[Rogue]

Originally posted by electro_cheese
but the rest of the stuff about Jesus being a martyr and all that needs to be forgotten and yes I think that people are entitled to their opinions, but in my eyes the world would be a better place without religion. Yes I don't know anything but I don't think it is right for you to - rate me for saying that it is like me minus rating you because you are a Christian.



There is a difference between a person simply belonging to a religious group and a person going around saying all religion should be banned.

What is that differnece? Well the latter person needs a serious reality check.

[Scribbly]

I just saw it and I must say that I wasn't that impressed. All the blood and gore weren't THAT stunning, because the standards these days are just way lower than they used to be (or higher, depends how you look at it). The acting and everything was ok I guess, but the movie itself was rather dull.

I was forced to go to church till I was about 14, which had a reversed effect on me (instead of me being intersted, I just started to get really annoyed by jesus and pals, every sunday).. so you're listening to an atheist.

My point is that I already knew the story, so there weren't any suprises. There wasn't excitement, no joy, no comedey, no love story, no thriller, no horror..what the hell was it then? I guess it belonged in the section 'gore'.

Now that I think about it; I really think it's a bad movie. All it had was blood and whipping (I have nothing against violence in movies.. eg: I love kill bill :) ).

[Tik]

Here's my reason for saying that blah blah blah blah blah blah
The bottom line is, you're an insensitive prat *resists the urge for stronger language*. You dont believe in Jesus, fine. Other people do and should be treated with respect. You dont do this and so people are minusing you. Jesus deserves to die? Comparing the death and torture of Christ to a teen running down a hallway only to be killed in a cheesy and humourous way by Freddy Krueger? And you still wonder why you're minused? *snigger*

I think it will be an intresting movie to watch and see Gibson's interpretation of the last hours of Christ. Hmm. I want to see if its a good movie or not.....