Wherewolf? Game 13 - A Banker's Dozen

[harryashfield]

PROLOGUE:

Dateline! An alternate 1950’s New York like city. Most likely New York. Everyone talks very fast with hilarious accents. A fantastic video is shown summarising the alternate history and the story behind this game (that will inevitably be the best part of the game as well) and sparks fury when it is posted on the internet, causing the authors to request it’s removal, (even though it was great publicity). Because no-one wanted (or could afford) to pay to see the film in the cinema just for that opening sequence, this poorly written description would have to do instead.

The town is in shambles after the economy crash (A careless redneck trucker crashed his 18 wheeler into the stock exchange destroying the economy as we know it). A once thriving city where people bought needless items on a regular basis, taking out loan after loan, and re-mortgaging their houses and selling their children to survive, now a desolate wasteland, where people roam the streets like zombies begging other people for jobs. Many committed suicide. Others turned to molestation. But some turned to a life of crime, having vowed to take revenge on those unlucky bankers who had survived and lost all their monies through disastrous payment plans. They would combine forces, and together, they would bring down the bankers that had forsaken them, sending their portfolios to the high court, exposing the devious and dirty business deals that had been taking place, turning them into desperate job-seeking dole scum like them. For after all – who was the real villain here?

Every night, the remaining investment bankers return to their houses, lock themselves away from the unforgiving beast of the economy and her evil minions, some in fact confusing the economy to be an actual supernatural being. Hoping against hope, that the hardened criminals won’t break into their houses at night, and take their money, or worse, their jobs. Their lives, they could stand to lose. Their one glimmer of hope – a radio broadcast, delivered every night, reassuring them they were safe (and also ironically informing them of the people who’s companies had fallen), because to be fair, it was the media that had blown this all out of proportion.


1. Preparations
Once enough people have signed up the Narrator splits the players into two different teams: those on the side of good (The surviving investment bankers), and those on the side of evil (the hardened criminals). They will then be assigned different roles by the Narrator through a Private Message (PM). You will need to check your PMs regularly during the game. And remember, even if your role and agenda is different to someone else doesn't mean you aren't necessarily working towards the same goal!

NOTE

Each ‘day' refers to a 48-hour time slot, to allow sufficient time for all players to debate on their next target for execution. Thus, any mention from this point onwards of 'days' should be taken to mean a 48-hour period. In other words, players with special roles may only PM the narrator with names once per two days, not every literal day! Any extra PMs of this kind will be treated as the player changing their mind and their original PM will be discarded!

Private Messaging (PM) may only be between player and Narrator, not between player and player. Anyone caught using PMs, emails or any other form of communication other than the main game thread to contact other players in secret in an In Character (IC) or Out of Character (OOC) capacity to aid each other will be ejected from the game. However, there is a Dead thread where players may discuss the game (without spoilers or hints though!).

2. Roles and Devices

The following details the different sides assumed by the players, as well as any sub-roles they may be assigned.

-Narrator

-‘Good’ (Civilians)
-Banker
-Investigative reporter
-Journalist

-‘Bad’ (Wolves)
-Dole Scum
-Recently fired Dole Scum


Narrator
The Narrator plays a purely administrative role; narrating the game, counting votes and moving the game along. The narrator will also prod other players if they are inactive. Any player who is inactive after 48 hours will be ejected from the game and may have their role filled by another player. The Narrator will move the story along at the end of each 48-hour period, and will decide when the game ends.

Good

Citizen (Banker)
As far as the Banker is concerned, everyone is a suspect. Their role is to work out who is on the dole, and to convince others that they are right, in order to expose them at the end of the day and save Alternate York . Their only abilities are those they already possess; deduction, guile and persuasion. Each day, the Citizens must indicate who they think are criminals, fired bankers living off the dole, so that they can put together a compelling proposition to parliament that disregards the benefits scheme. These people will be taken off benefits and sent to a work camp, along with any illegitimate children they may have.


Investigative Reporter
During each round (day, 48 hour period), the investigative reporter may PM the Narrator with the name of one player, and will be told if they have a job. They will not be given information on innocent citizens, except to tell them they aren’t on employment office records . Recently fired Dole Scum will not have be on record as they haven’t been taken off yet, and because the woman at the office is too lazy to do so.. The investigative reporter must be wary of their ability; any apparent knowledge on their part could easily get them targeted by the dole scum, or mistaken as villain activity by the citizens!

Journalist (new role)
The Journalist is a new role, in a way, designed to give the dole scum more of a chance. Every 3 in-game days (ie every 112 hours) They can investigate a person just like the investigative reporter, but they have ties to the media, who will publicly announce that player’s identity. They must think far in advance, because if they choose to change the person’s name during this time, they will have to wait the time again. Hence if that person is killed during that time, then they will have to choose again. This is an experimental role; we’ll see how it plays out.


Evil
Anyone on the side of evil must not communicate secretly with others on their side, through PM or any other method; they may only talk to each other through the main game thread. At the start of the next round, they will be informed of who voted to kill who at their nightly top secret club meeting, via a PM.

Villains (Dole Scum)
Each Day, all Villains may PM the Narrator with the person they wish to be Exposed. Unlike the general public vote between all players, for the Villains to kill someone there must be a majority of votes from all of them, not just from those who voted. The Villains will be told who the others on the side of evil are in the initial PM sent to them at the start of the game.

Recently Fired Dole scum
The recently fired dole scum is still half-human, and has not had time for the condition to affect him, as such. Meaning that if he is investigated by a reporter/journalist, he will not be discovered. He also serves as the leader of the group, as the most… human.


3. Gameplay

The game is split into days, each lasting for a 48-hour period to allow the players to debate and vote for the next person to be sent away. At the end of each day the Narrator will move the story along by detailing events that take place in the city the previous day. This includes who gets sent to a work camp, and who is exposed by the Villains. The Narrator will also PM all applicable players with details relating to their role, such as who each Villain voted for. After the Narrator has detailed these events, it will be the next round, and another 48-hour period begins.

Each day ends at approximately 21:00 GMT every 48 hours. The gap in which the next day starts lasts until the Narrator has narrated events in the main game thread. Any votes or PMs in this period will be counted as being for the next hour.


Rounds

All players discuss who they believe to be a Villain and thus who to send off, and put their votes in bold. Unlike with the Villains’ private vote, the general player vote does not need an overall majority, only a majority vote from the players who have voted.

Players may also choose to abstain, if they are unsure of who to vote for or wish to make a point to the others. Players have only ONE abstention in the whole game, and each abstention counts towards the total number of votes, meaning that a player can help swing the vote without accusing anyone.

The unlucky player who is chosen to be sent off will be ‘killed’ at the end of each round, meaning they leave the game.

4. The Dead

There is a separate thread where eliminated players, or those not playing, can commentate on the game. If you are eliminated please only post in this thread. Discuss with other players what is happening, but try not to reveal any extra knowledge you may have about the game, so as not to spoil it for the remaining players.

5. Victory

If the Dole Scum can expose off enough Bankers so that there are the forces of good and evil are of equal number, then the Villains have won and the tragic future of Alternate York will be revealed! If those on the side of good can send away enough of the dole scum, there may just be hope for the economy yet.

N.B, if you find the term ‘dole-scum’ or anything else similar offensive, then don’t play, and direct al complaints to I-don’t-give-a-rat’s-arse@hotmail.com.

Sign up below please, and the game will get going a week after there are enough people.

[friendly spoon]

ooh topical
sign me up plz


Journalist (new role)
The Journalist is a new role, in a way, designed to give the dole scum more of a chance.
heh

[harryashfield]

N.B: This will be a return to the original form of the game, with no posting outside of this thread. Although in a similar way to the game Hicks ran, if things get boring, then mr bigglesworth gets upset. And when mr bigglesworth gets upset, people DIE!!!!

Playing so far:

friendly spoon
slush puppy
happy-go-lucky
adrenaline
JackCopsey
Doctor_Fruitbat
Martinus
Malcolio
Captain Caveman
Shalashaka
Argh
Turkey Sandwich
Woodchip50
Littleshore
Small fry
Magic Noodles
Advent Pie

EDIT: 17 people so far, woo!

[Martinus]

I'm in. :)

[doctor_fruitbat]

Me please.

[adrenaline]

I'm In

[happy-go-lucky]

Haha I like the idea.

[malcolio]

I'm in, I'm all for a return to the original format of the game. New rules are good but too many and the game becomes confusing. Talking of which, your new role sounds very interesting, it'll be worth seeing how it effects the game.

[captain caveman]

I'm in please!

[Shalashaska]

'Sup

[argh]

I'm in. Got my own internet so things won't die for weeks at a time now.

[Turkey Sandwich]

I'm in, sounds like we're in for some good narration again.

[woodchip50]

when am i not in? :D

*jumps in!*

[Littleshore]

in

[Small Fry]

I'm in.

Out

In

Out






shake it all about

[harryashfield]

Alright, it's good that people are signing up. I'll give it another week or two, because it would be good to have an epicly large game, and I'd be able to run it easier that way.

[woodchip50]

OOOOOO
could you please start it 2 weeks today? (being tuesday) as my last exam is the 15th of june!

I WILL BE FREE!

[Small Fry]

My last exam is the 23rd of June :(

[harryashfield]

Do you want me to wait a bit longer?

[Small Fry]

Me personally, I'm not bothered, I might just not contribute as much on certain days if revision holds me back. I'm sure it won't though :p

[Martinus]

I don't mind waiting to get the numbers up.

[malcolio]

Do you want me to wait a bit longer?PM people who normally play, some might not have seen the thread. :)

[Magic Noodles]

Can I join? Only I've never done this before, and I'm not entirely sure on the aim.

[malcolio]

Can I join? Only I've never done this before, and I'm not entirely sure on the aim.Best thing to do is look at previous games (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73213), to get a flavour of how the rules work. Each game has had slightly different rules but you'll pick up how it's played. :)

[Advent Pie]

I've looked at the others and it seems fun, Can I join?

[Magic Noodles]

Thanks, I think I get it now (you dunno who the werewolves are, you figure out who they are before you get killed etc. etc. only with a bank theme) :D

[happy-go-lucky]

PM people who normally play, some might not have seen the thread. :)

That was aimed at small fry I think

[Vercci]

I haven't thought of a cool name for my one yet :(

[happy-go-lucky]

I never managed to Vercci.

[harryashfield]

*Little Bump* Right. Just to let you all know I'm still alive... I'm just in Bermuda atm using a very slow dialup connection. You sometimes forget how much we have actually progressed in that field. Anyways, Unless there are no huge objections, I'll start the game Tuesday 16th June at 6:00PM English time (as woodchip50 was the only one nice enough to ask!)

[woodchip50]

Get in! :D

[happy-go-lucky]

Yes! The day after my last exam :)

[Small Fry]

My laptop is seriously fucking up guys, I'm so pissed off with it, I haven't been able to do anything with it for days.

I'll tell you closer to the time, but just a warning that I might not be able to play :(

[Martinus]

Tecchy bollocks thread?

[Small Fry]

I don't think they could have helped, tbh. It was something you really had to see, I'd be no good explaining it. Damned PC sometimes wouldn't boot up windows and crashed every time it did boot up :mad:

The good news is, I fixed it. Win32 Cryptor virus and a whole host of other stuff it let in. Don't know how it got there, my sister was on one day and BOOM there goes the laptop. AVG wouldn't solve it, nor finish the scans, so I had to run something called Malwarebytes Anti-malware in safe mode and that got them. Having said that, they might come back, or have not gone properly, so there might still be a problem.

For now, however, all seems to be good. Actually, I'm sure a trip to techy bollocks would have helped. No matter :)

[Martinus]

Good stuff. :)

One more player. \o/

[Magic Noodles]

It starts exactly a week before my first ever GCSE... joy :P

[Small Fry]

Computer fucked beyond belief. I manage to get 2 minutes tops of internet before it dies, but I can get to another computer most of the time, so count me in and I hope I can participate fully.

[friendly spoon]

The good news is, I fixed it.

Computer fucked beyond belief.

great job mate :p

[harryashfield]

ROLES/PM'S SENT OUT.

If you did not recieve one or have a problem, please let me know and I'll sort you out.


EDIT: Because people have already started, the GAME HAS BEGUN and the 1st day will end 17/6/09 at 00:00PM

[malcolio]

So, the game has started?

If so, I will be saving my one and only abstain and vote for whoever posts below me. Fear my wrath, completely random person! :D

EDIT: happy-go-lucky it is then!

[happy-go-lucky]

malcolio then :p

[Littleshore]

hgl

[woodchip50]

littleshore

[adrenaline]

woodchip50

[Turkey Sandwich]

adrenaline

[JackCopsey]

Turkey Sandwich

[harryashfield]

Computer fucked beyond belief. I manage to get 2 minutes tops of internet before it dies, but I can get to another computer most of the time, so count me in and I hope I can participate fully.

Shit - I had that. Did it work normally except for when the internet started? If so, you may have a serious registry problem, and have to reload the whole thing.

[/unscripted excursion] (I'm the narrator, I can say what I wants.)

[Small Fry]

No, just crashes all the time, whatever I'm doing. One last try and then I'm calling in the techy bollocks crew. /offtopic

JackCopsey of course.

[Shalashaska]

Small Fry

[slush puppy]

shalashaska

[argh]

Slush puppy get a job.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Aaaaaaaaaaargh!

[Martinus]

*Martinus fires up his random-number generator*


import random

players = 17
random.randint(1,players)


....annnnnnd I get a 3.

friendly spoon
slush puppy
happy-go-lucky
adrenaline
JackCopsey
Doctor_Fruitbat
Martinus
Malcolio
Captain Caveman
Shalashaka
Argh
Turkey Sandwich
Woodchip50
Littleshore
Small fry
Magic Noodles
Advent Pie


BTW I do like playing 'in character' to make the game more than just a series of short posts but I'm a tad busy at the moment so I'll try to start next round. :)

[Magic Noodles]

Martinus methinks.

[Small Fry]

So three people have gone for someone the same? Smells like dole-robbing idiocy right there.

[Turkey Sandwich]

I was thinking that. Any claims other than 'because they're above me' are sticking out as suspect, let alone 3 people randomly voting the same way.

Edit: The first vote was fine, and maybe the second, but still...something to ponder.

[malcolio]

So three people have gone for someone the same? Smells like dole-robbing idiocy right there.I posted my method of choosing a random person and haven't changed it, hence the next post's reply. The usual method was used to get a second vote of the same person, however for the third vote we have no way of verifying the random number generator's result.

However at this stage of the game I see no reason to try and point fingers. Wait until we've got some evidence (ie dead people) before accusing anyone.

[friendly spoon]

i guess i'll just vote for the person underneath me then.

magic noodles, i accuse you, you dole loving swine!

[Magic Noodles]

Only an idiot would post after you then.

Ba-dum-tish.

[Small Fry]

No, posting for the person below you as you did is an obvious way of getting two votes for someone straight off; the person below is voted for by the person below them too, kind of sandwiched. You know that, I can't think why you wouldn't just vote for the person above you like everyone else.

[Martinus]

I was thinking that. Any claims other than 'because they're above me' are sticking out as suspect, let alone 3 people randomly voting the same way.

Edit: The first vote was fine, and maybe the second, but still...something to ponder.

Shi... only two random votes for hgl though surely?
Unfortunately I didn't think of that, in this game of suspicion I guess everything is probable cause. :)

Randomly choosing a person just seems (to me) like a 'fairer' and less biased way of playing the game initially; you're more likely to pick someone who's in the same time-zone if you play 'pick the person before me' game. Verifying that the result of the random selection is the obvious problem.

Everyone plays safe and I guess, given that information is effectively non-existent at the beginning of the game, that's the most effective way of staying under the radar or avoiding attention (if you're a civvy).
I think I'll keep the vote as-is in lieu of discovering a more robust method of generating a random selection as changing it does me no favours.

Let's get on with the game! :)

[Small Fry]

Voting like you did randomly could produce more than one vote for a person. Voting for the person before you ensures there's only one vote per person.

[friendly spoon]

yeah bit a few people have posted more than once and i couldnt be bothered to read the rest of the thread.

[Magic Noodles]

That's why I posted after fs. I didn't get a vote against me when I posted, so I figured I may as well take that bullet to prevent someone with a vote against them already getting voted. If that makes sense.

[harryashfield]

Day one is now over, summary soon

zzsskkk----zzzskk.......Good evening citizens of Alternate York. This is your nightly radio broadcast. For what seems like the first day in many, the economy showed a slight sign of upturn. What's more, not a single banker from a single bank was exposed as being corrupt. A fine acheievement. Although there was also speculation into people who have been living off the benefits sceme, no-one has come through with a single name yet. Another success for our fine city. And I'll leave you now, with that classic riock ballard, 'fortunate son' by CCR. ... "Some folks are born, made to wear the flag-" ZZZSSSkkkk.........

***



Summary
No-one was accused of being dole scum
No-one was exposed as as a corrupt banker.

The next day will end at 21:00 on the 19th June.

N.B: If this happens again, and no-one at all dies, there might be freak accident occuring.... or not.

[woodchip50]

I can't think why you wouldn't just vote for the person above you like everyone else.

coz malcolio was the first to post...?
so he couldn't...?

oh and i shall vote for. magic noodles FOR NOW. but its too early etc so no point in looking into things yet to be honest (as i always normally skate around the subject, mostly i plain lie). and too clear this vote up as people are drawing the gun on anything, i am voting that way because he was the last to post bar harryashfield... who cant be voted for as is narrator. ya see?

EDIT: but feel free to sway my vote. i am one for a bandwagon as ever :D

[harryashfield]

well, you could try voting for me, but it wouldn't end well for you, I can tell you that much :D

[Magic Noodles]

Woodchip50 :D

[Martinus]

Culled by the narrator; messy. ;)

Obviously I'm aware that it's not the 'safe' option but I'm going to vote randomly again via the miracle of Maaartbot. Livens things up a bit if nothing else.

Using Maaartbot is easy BTW if you wish to use my method of generating a random name. Might not be the most convenient way of doing it but at least I'll have logs (and so will you) to verify when and what value was generated. Bear in mind that you'll need an IRC client, if you have one log onto #internets on irc.quakenet.org and use the dice roller program built into Maartbot. Observe:

<@martinus> !1d17
<@Maaartbot> martinus rolls: 2 Total: 2

Number 2 is slush puppy.

[malcolio]

I don't trust claiming a random number generator made you vote for a particular person Martinus, as we can't verify the fact. So I'll be sticking to the usual method. For now there's no reason to accuse anyone, although I've noticed I've been name-dropped already...

[happy-go-lucky]

malcolio again
:p

[Shalashaska]

hgl

[Turkey Sandwich]

Shalashaska then. Hm.

[Littleshore]

Turkey Sandwich made me hungry

[slush puppy]

Littleshore. I'm not impressed with the "random" generator.

[adrenaline]

slush puppy

[argh]

Malcolio based on the fact that when Malcolio is not a bad guy and Iball is not in the game, he's usually out early. Right now would be too early to tell really, but you know, Mr. Narrator wants shit to happen or else accidents will.

[harryashfield]

Ooh. 'Mr' Narrator. I rather like that. Alright, bad things won't happen to you.

EDIT: DAY 2 IS NOW OVER. STAND BY FOR NARRATION. IT WON'T END WELL FOR ONE OF YOU.

DAY 2

"ZZzzZZssSSsk......ZZZsksk-ksk...and that concludes my impression of a static radio. Good evening citizens. If you're just joining us, this is your nightly broadcast and news update. It was another fantastic day today, as not a single bank went under - for two days in a row! Not only that, but it seems that not a single banker was exposed. Regardless, it appears that no-one has been caught leeching off the benefits system. Maybe the economy is turning a corner!!!...what? Sorry?....oh....buggeration. Ladies and gentlemen and woodchip50, it is my sad duty to inform you of a brutally murdered body that has just been found by the park. Police have identified the body as"

Advent Pie was wondering through the park late that night. He knew he shouldn't be, he was supposed to be at home spreading rumours about who he thought was a member of the dole scum. Not only that, but is was danerous to be wandering out that late, in a place that homeless people had claimed their own. He quickened his pace as he worried. It was then he ran into a crazy homeless person - he was black, most likely an Barrack Obama supporter. "Change...?" he strained, hoping this wandering fellow man could provide the promise Barrack had not. "Ahh!" yelled Advent pie, as he quickened his pace. "I have no idea how to solve the economy! I just liked to pretend I did!!!" he screamed, as he ran off. Not looking where he was going, he ran into several more supporters. They mumbled various things: "Change?" "...chaaaange?" "They took ar jabs!" "Can we... yes?". Alas, there was no way out for friendly spoon. Luckily for him, a tree suddenly fell on him, killing him instantly. His dying words were "Oh! If only I had stayed at home and VOTED LIKE I WAS SUPPOSED TO!!!" and with that, he passed away.

Summanry:

No-one was Voted off as dole scum.
No-one was exposed as a corrupt banker.

As a result of this...
Advent Pie was brutally killed (for not voting)
Captain Caveman, because I only wanted to kill one of you, you get off with a warning! It was only Mr Pie because I enjoyed that captain caveman series as a child even though it made no sense!!!

Day 3 will end 21st June at 21:00PM

Get voting!

[malcolio]

Malcolio based on the fact that when Malcolio is not a bad guy and Iball is not in the game, he's usually out early. Right now would be too early to tell really, but you know, Mr. Narrator wants shit to happen or else accidents will.I've only been knocked out of a game early once, so I'm not sure where you get that idea from. If it was the case I wouldn't bother playing again! But thanks for the name drops. :)

argh for being above me, there's still no evidence to go on that's substantial enough to mean anything. Once a few people have died (who haven't because they're inactive) we'll have something to work on hopefully. :)

[Martinus]

Poor Advent Pie. Only the passive die young.

I've not seen any suspicious behaviour thus far so I'm going to go with another random vote. Random but verifiable this time as happy go lucky was in the channel and can provide verification (if she so chooses). Only time will tell if she comes through for me. Time will tell...

00:15 <@martinus> !1d16
00:15 <@Maaartbot> martinus rolls: 11 Total: 11

Argh


(pssst hgl, please verify that I'm genuinely generating random numbers :D)

[happy-go-lucky]

yeah i was in irc he did indeed roll an 11
also martinus

[doctor_fruitbat]

You know what? Martinus. You know damn well you're complicating matters and that having a few 'random' name drops is perfect for the dole scum. You're either one of them or a liability.

[malcolio]

Having another player confirm you rolled a random number proves nothing either. Who is to say they aren't an accomplice?

[Littleshore]

doctor_fruitbat He is not directly above me, but I'm enforcing a new rule! No voting for people who have already been voted for when we are doing the above thingy!

Martinus

[JackCopsey]

Since I don't want to get into any of this band wagon nonsense, I am going to go with Littleshore.

[slush puppy]

Martinus.

[Martinus]

Having another player confirm you rolled a random number proves nothing either. Who is to say they aren't an accomplice?

Multiple logs. :)
Also, witnesses. Guessing if I'm randomly generating a number is not necessary, my downfall will come when you come visit the channel and prove I'm not randomly generating numbers.

You know what? Martinus. You know damn well you're complicating matters and that having a few 'random' name drops is perfect for the dole scum. You're either one of them or a liability.

Now there's an interesting point of view. Understand that I'm equally dangerous to everyone and thus my actions are catalyst rather than antagonising to one specific group. My random choice does indeed change the voting format from one vote per-person early in the game to a dynamic where there's a possibility that anyone could be chosen. Probabilities suggest that a banker has a higher chance of being selected but since my choices are random (which can be verified if anyone takes the time) the possibility that I'll choose a dole scum is equal and, if it were in my interest to protect them (as an accomplice) I would most certainly not be relying on this method to choose a victim. I'm attempting to force the hand of the smaller group who are lose more if a single member is removed than the larger group.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Once we get past the finely-worded nonsense to sound authoratative (catalyst rather than antagonising? Whatever), then what you wrote makes no sense whatsoever. If one group is larger than the other, then the probability of randomly choosing that group is larger. You are more likely to choose a banker than dole scum, certainly enough to risk it as a method of name-dropping targets.

The idea that making it random somehow decreases, let alone equalises, the odds of which of the two groups is picked is so nonsensical that I can't believe you're actually trying to fool us with it. It has to be one of the worst excuses anyone has come up with for this game. So again, you're either one of them or a liability.

[happy-go-lucky]

Can I point out that while I think martinus' way of voting is a bit dumb, I was in IRC while he did the whole random number thing, so he's telling the truth about that part.

But yes, probability really really doesn't work like that. He's helping the dole scum more than us I think

[Magic Noodles]

malcolio, you banker. Or not.

[adrenaline]

Martinus because of the amount of suspicion aimed at him lower down in the thread

[Martinus]

Once we get past the finely-worded nonsense to sound authoratative (catalyst rather than antagonising? Whatever), then what you wrote makes no sense whatsoever. If one group is larger than the other, then the probability of randomly choosing that group is larger. You are more likely to choose a banker than dole scum, certainly enough to risk it as a method of name-dropping targets.

The idea that making it random somehow decreases, let alone equalises, the odds of which of the two groups is picked is so nonsensical that I can't believe you're actually trying to fool us with it. It has to be one of the worst excuses anyone has come up with for this game. So again, you're either one of them or a liability.

Buh, I must concede, you are indeed correct (musing too early on a Saturday to make sense :o ). Absolutely didn't think that post the whole way through. The error was of course in stating that there is an equal chance of selecting either. *Martinus remembers the rule: re-read before posting. As you've pointed out the chance of randomly choosing a person isn't even, it's currently 1 in 4 (since we're down to 16 players). Now, given that, I do think that choosing randomly changes the dynamic of the game; instead of being passive and having harryashfield cull people due to a lack of outcome (or voting) there's a pretty decent chance that someone's hand might be forced or a mistake will be made.

It's an experiment and I'm not sure how well it will work out, if nothing else it will illustrate how wrong I am for future games. ;)

[argh]

Malcolio since I may was well stick with it. Guys, seriously, we need to randomly killed people or we're going to be randomly killed. At least we can as a group decide who dies if we actually vote for people.

[malcolio]

So, I disprove the one reason you're trying to kill me, and all you do is stay the course? Unlike you though I don't see the need to pounce on people based on nothing but conjecture, so I'll keep to my original vote.

[Turkey Sandwich]

This is how every game starts: two camps emerge, one urging caution and trying to offer the bad guys absolutely no opportunity to name-drop, and the other proposing that we should, in the absence of any real evidence, start randomly killing people.

Neither is a good idea. Random killings usually don't work, for obvious reasons.
And whenever we play the waiting game, it doesn't work either - we can see that from past experience, because the dole scum will eventually have a vote where someone gets 2 votes, and although they don't die then, the dole scum all notice it and vote to kill them the next day. So after the first few days, name-dropping isn't necessary. Then of course suspicion falls on the poor hapless person who mentioned in the thread the one who died, as this was supposedly the only possible signal.

That doesn't give us many options, but I don't think I'm going to vote for the person above now. I'm going to vote for Martinus, because whether or not he's actually a dole scum, he's confusing matters, and they thrive in confused situations.

[woodchip50]

martinus for the simple reason that i see a name drop.

also your clinical approach to this...this...economic monstrosity is truely banker-ish!

also
it wont get anyone killed so why not?!?!?!
you are dole scum!

we hope!

[friendly spoon]

it's currently 1 in 4 (since we're down to 16 players).

when were we told the ammount of dole scum? martinus

alsofriendly spoon

wat

[Small Fry]

Good point. Martinus.

[Martinus]

Heh, I wouldn't do that guys.

[malcolio]

At this stage I'd normally change my vote to ensure that nobody is killed, but a very good point has been made. How did you know that 1 out of 4 players are dole-scum? Provide a reason for what you said rather than just laughing it off and I'll change my vote, otherwise that really does look like a mistake only someone on the dole-scum side could make!

[Turkey Sandwich]

when were we told the ammount of dole scum?

Well noticed there. So now we have actual evidence as well. And not trying to explain it seems pretty suspect too.

[Martinus]

At this stage I'd normally change my vote to ensure that nobody is killed, but a very good point has been made. How did you know that 1 out of 4 players are dole-scum? Provide a reason for what you said rather than just laughing it off and I'll change my vote, otherwise that really does look like a mistake only someone on the dole-scum side could make!

Pretty happy with what I've already posted.

I'll see how it pans out.

[Magic Noodles]

*Changes vote*

[slush puppy]

I think this is a well easy way to start a bandwagon, but we may aswell get someone killed. Changed.

[malcolio]

Well, I'm glad I double checked who I voted for, as I thought it was Martinus. It is now, for the flippant response to my request of an explanation, which I didn't think was much to ask for. I don't know why you have such a disregard for yourself, but either way you've made yourself extremely suspicious.

[adrenaline]

*Changed Vote*

[Small Fry]

May have just been an honest mistake, but we need to kill people anyway. /disclaimer incase he's a banker.

[Martinus]

No, it wasn't a mistake.

[harryashfield]

N.B Y'all, the day will end at 21:00PM tonight, although the commentary will come a bit later.

[Shalashaska]

Martinus

[Small Fry]

Well then I don't see what else it could have been. There's no way you could have got everyone's identities by now and there's no other role which would grant you that knowledge.

My boi, looks to me like we've got one of those dole-scum.

[woodchip50]

WOOHOO!
*changes reason for vote*

[Martinus]

you've made yourself extremely suspicious.

I was hoping this would bother enough people into digging a bit more and discussing why would someone 'needlessly' put themselves out of the game but as we have 30 mins to go I'll have to settle for what happened...

Random selection is a terrible way of selecting people without drawing attention to oneself. Bit too high-profile for even a reasonably careful dole-scum or the private investigator I would expect.

Also, there was no way that anyone could have known how many dole-scum there were unless they were dole-scum but posting such a crazy probability may have been a head-scratcher. Pointing out such an obvious error would not have been an advantage to a dole-scum. Then apologising (wasn't it terrible? ;) ) and following with a glaring mistake... Only a dole-scum would have been able to point out that the number was wrong by giving the correct number but nobody slipped.

Bandwagons though, bandwagons can be pretty good indicators of those people who jump a bit quickly. Maybe this bandwagon showed a few people to be rather eager to jump aboard?

So, here's the gamble: I'm the investigator, I admit that I jumped into the role in a highly unorthodox way but I left more than enough hints from the start that this was the case and I expect that the dole-scum have already registered their votes so lets see if there are any clues. :)

As we've played three days I can definitively tell you that Argh and friendly spoon are bankers. I could not get enough info on Malcolio to state if he's a dole scum - I can only find out that he's not a banker or that he may be the recent dole-scum - odds are that he's a civvy an my gut tells me he's acting in the best interests of the populace by hounding me so effectively. :)
Remember, dole-scum had no benefit in questioning my claims.

So, only harry will be able to verify this now (when I get lynched) so lets see how my 'experiment' pans out.

[harryashfield]

Day 3

"Zsssk...Good evening. I apologise profusely for being late with tonight's broadcast. I was busy dealing with the high amount of news recieved by the station. It seems all good things must come to an end... as today, Martinus came under heavy scrutiny and suspiscion. It seems that many people are becoming paranoid due to the peace we have had for a few days... so much so, they jumped on a bandwagon that ended in the tragic death of one of our best loved Private investigators. In fact, he was the only one. I hope you're all happy with yourselves. You bastards. Regardless, it seems we stumbled upon a bit of luck today. The body of Captain Caveman was discovered disfigired and dead in a cave in the park. Seems she had been living of the dole, and decided she couldn't live with herself anymore. She had crawled into a cave for the past three days, not doing anything, or contributing to the game- I mean ECONOMY, as she should have been. Regardless, she is gone now. A hollow victory, in a way. This is Narr Rator, telling you to be a bit more careful next time - lightning that lucky doesn't strike twice!"

That night, a local journalist came close to suicide. They had spent three days researching the identity of Martinus, and had prepared a brilliant article to publish on the successful Investigator. When they heard the radio broadcast that night, they could only manage to spit out one word.
"Bugger".

Summary
Martinus was exposed, and turned out to be the private investigator! (you cocked it up a bit there)
Captain Caveman was removed for innactivity, and was a person living off the dole! (you got lucky there though)
The Journalist had spent the last 3 days researching Martinus, and their research will have gone to waste!

Day 4 will end 21:00 on the 23rd June. Good luck!

[woodchip50]

... smashing.

[harryashfield]

N.B.

Although Martinus told me he didn't want to do so, anyone who is removed for the game for one reason or another, is entitled to their 'dying words'... which consists of one post, no more than 50 words, which must be made within 3 posts or one hour of the narrator's summary, should they wish a chance to bitch, or say something poignant.

[Turkey Sandwich]

I see. Oh well, this isn't our fault.

It doesn't really leave us that much to go on. There was good reason to go for Martinus, so no one can really be suspected because of that. At least we got lucky with Captian Caveman.
I'll wait to see if anyone has any decent suggestions before I vote.

[malcolio]

Well, call me Mr Silly but I forgot about the Investigative Reporter and Journalist roles. I understand Martinus' tactics but being that risky with your own 'life' in order to trick the dole scum doesn't seem worth it, especially if you have a specialist role in the game! Oh well, at least he told us what he knew before he copped it, which is something. :) Plus the dole scum still haven't killed anyone and they've lost one of their kind so it could be worse!

For now I'll waste my vote on Turkey Sandwich for the usual reason. I'll look over the last day's posts to see if there's any clues to go on though, so might change my vote later.

[harryashfield]

"ZzzzZZZsssskkkk.......Good Afternoon everyone. We have a late breaking buliten. It seems that the banking corportion known as HTSC (run by the gret Turkey Sandwich) has come under scrutiny. The Leader was found to have embesseled hundreds of thousands of monies for his own gain. Suffice to say, the police got involved, and he has subsequently been removed, and destoyed. We must all keep our eyes open, as the terrorist organisation known as the dole scum seem to be able to form complex cases against our best loved bankers. As such, I advise you publish your expenses without black spaces next time. That concludes this late bulliten, that would have been made last night, had our internet not gone down whilst we were editing the show. God bless."

ADDITIONAL SUMMARY (sorry, was going to be added last night but my internets died suddenly. I did sort of forget but when I remembered and went on to PM Martinus about his dying words, and add that too, It went.)

Turkey Sandwich was taken out by the dole scum.

[malcolio]

Well, crap. :( I will change my vote to woodchip50 as my other vote doesn't count now, but when I've got the time I'll definitely look through the thread for anything amiss.

[Littleshore]

edit: Got that one wrong

I'm voting for Malcolio then

[Turkey Sandwich]

Oh, okay, so... I can have my dying words, no?

Damn, this is what happens when you speak up. All I can say is you others should look for a reason why they picked on me - perhaps something I said was too close to the truth.

Avenge me!

[Small Fry]

I'm sorry but what the fuck were you thinking Martinus? Maybe if you were a normal banker that would have been worth a shot, but all you've done is got rid of a special role and made it look as though (probably) normal people are dole-scum as they bandwagonned you. You've made it a lot harder for the bankers to win. Should be interesting though :p

In my defence (as I realise I was pretty keen to kill him off), it was big evidence to go on; I didn't expect anyone to pull a stunt like that. Honest mistake, sorry.


EDIT: Two people name-dropped Turkey Sandwich this game. I'm thinking it must be one of them, seeing as Turkey Sandwich never accused anyone apart from when he voted for the person above...

[malcolio]

EDIT: Two people name-dropped Turkey Sandwich this game. I'm thinking it must be one of them, seeing as Turkey Sandwich never accused anyone apart from when he voted for the person above...I think that's very unlikely, as one is now dead and the other was just following the vote-the-person-above-you method (or VTPAY...not so catchy). From what I've seen from being a werewolf in previous games one dole scum probably mentioned Turkey Sandwich in the first round and stubbornly persisted in going after him, until enough of the others followed their lead to kill TS off.

I'm looking at more who wanted to kill off Martinus. Unfortuantely as you've said there are quite a few, including myself! I think another death will narrow down the suspects, as right now mentioning any ideas I have will just look like name-dropping.

[Shalashaska]

Oh shi-

Martinus that was, I think, an unorthodox and ill thought out move.


EDIT:
Small Fry

[friendly spoon]

Shalashaska

yeah martinus could have tried actually defending himself but w/e.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Oh well; sorry Martinus. :p

friendly spoon it is then.

[happy-go-lucky]

doctor fruitbat i guess

[adrenaline]

Well is suppose it will have to be Happy-Go-Lucky

[JackCopsey]

In fear of being accused as a Dole Scum otherwise, I'll go with adrenaline.

[Magic Noodles]

I think I'll go for a rather risky name-drop. Just kidding!

JackCopsey :D

[Small Fry]

I think that's very unlikely, as one is now dead and the other was just following the vote-the-person-above-you method (or VTPAY...not so catchy). From what I've seen from being a werewolf in previous games one dole scum probably mentioned Turkey Sandwich in the first round and stubbornly persisted in going after him, until enough of the others followed their lead to kill TS off.


I'd like to point out some errors with this post. I did say in the whole game TS had only been mentioned twice, and neither of the people who did that are dead. They both followed the VTPAY method though. I'm still suspicious of these players.

[slush puppy]

Well thats annoying, I had a theory thats now totally invalid. I'm gonna vote for argh so someone doesn't get double votes.

[Small Fry]

Oh and my vote is just the person above, slush puppy.

[malcolio]

I'd like to point out some errors with this post. I did say in the whole game TS had only been mentioned twice, and neither of the people who did that are dead. They both followed the VTPAY method though. I'm still suspicious of these players.OK, I missed a person out but that doesn't negate my point. Martinus is the only other person to mention Turkey Sandwich and he is dead, the only other two people who did mention his name did so due to the VTPAY method, so I don't see how they can be suspicious. Like I said, I find it far more likely that Turkey Sandwich was chosen without anything to do with his name being mentioned in the thread, and that those who did say his name in the thread were just unlucky enough to have done so. I don't see the need to grasp at such flimsy evidence just because that's all we have to go on, but rather wait until something more substantial shows up.

[woodchip50]

malcolio as i am yet to vote. and above and all. i dont see point in speculating atm. we need more time/proof.

if we stick to voting above we can surely begin to see a pattern and all? no?

[Small Fry]

OK sounds fair enough, I won't jump to any conclusions, I'm just pointing out the possibilities.

[harryashfield]

The Day is now over. Stand by for Narration n' shit.

Edit.

Day 4

".........which is exactly why she got raped. If you're just joining us, this is your daily new broadcast. It was a day of some peace today. It seems following yesturday's bloodbath, the city was in mourning. As such, although there was much speculation about who may be dole scum, no-one was singled out. It does make me worry though - every day we continue to speculate, we don't get results. The days are getting darker, and our economy is getting worse. What we need now is a saviour, someone to come forward, and be bold enough to spend money again- I mean guess the identity of the dole scum correctly. I just get this feeling that something big is about to happen. On the lighter side of the news, The splattered body of Argh was found on the pavement outside 'Arghliance and Lesciter's' corporate tower today. It seems she had been spending her client's money on a wide variety of sex toys, and the terrorist organisation of the dole scum had found out..."

"Argh!" "ARGH!!!" "Open up!!!" The policeman shouted. "You have to the count of three!!!"
Argh, was busy writing her last letter. She felt horrible having done what she had, wasting her customer's money on frivolous things, but was it such a crime? Her spending had been stimulating the economy. Especially given the inflation on things such as vibrators.
She opened up the window of her 75th floor office, and stepped out onto the ledge. She had always wanted to test a theory - if a penny could reach terminal verlocity, what could a body do? And with that, she jumped.
It only took a few seconds, although the mess would take the cleaners a while to clear.
At that precise moment the police broke through the door, and saw what argh had been up to before she jumped. And no, it hadn't been anything sexual.
"Oh SHIT!!!" The cliche black policeman yelled, as he saw hundreds and hundreds of bombs wired up to the outside pillars. The timer, and the last thing he saw had less than a second to detonation.

The explosion was seen for miles around, although no-one was entirely sure what they saw. Some said a missle had hit the tower. Some thought a plane had crashed into it. Others knew the way the tower collapsed, (within 10.25 seconds), about 53 minutes later, it had to have been demolished from the inside. Regardless of what had happened, one thing was clear. Argh was dead, and the smoking tower that was her empire left a foreboding warning to the remaining citizens of Alternate York. Something big was about to happen.

Summary

Argh was exposed by the dole scum as a corrupt banker!

Day 5 will end 25th June at 23:00

[slush puppy]

Right, am I being really dumb? Was that role there the whole time, or was that a consequence of nothing happening in the game?

[argh]

Damn it. Am I dead because I missed voting (I know I did, sorry, been sick the last couple days) or because the dole guys voted to kill me? I dunno, seems like I killed myself, and love sexual toys. Either way, I still don't like Malcolio. Only in the game though. I think he's lovely in every other part of the forum.

[Magic Noodles]

I'll go for adrenaline, though I have no idea why.

[malcolio]

Yeah, I'm a bit confuddled too, was argh dropped or not? I'm loving the narration in this game but the Summary needs less flavour and just bog-standard phrases. I'm presuming that argh was just a banker, not that a 'corrupt banker' is a special role, for instance.

And argh keeps up her distrust even after death, despite me putting down her one argument against me. Thanks. :p I'll be voting for Magic Noodles unless I spot anything that's enough to make a case...

EDIT: 3 people mentioned argh's name, Martinus quite a few times, but the other two were just using the VTPAY method, one of whom was me! So I guess I'll just repeat what I said at the top of this page in that these facts are not good enough to prove anything.

[slush puppy]

I guess malcolio then until theres something decent to go on.

[harryashfield]

Just to clarify, yes, argh was but a humble banker.

She had secrets like all of us, and was 'killed off by the wolves', which in this game translates as 'Got exposed as being corrupt'.

The dole scum got rid of her.

[woodchip50]

huh...so slush puppy for now....

[adrenaline]

Woodchip50

[woodchip50]

EDIT:
...hang on one moment, just going over things...
I'll go for adrenaline, though I have no idea why.

this confuses me. why not vote for the person above you?

malcolio, you banker. Or not.

and this was a vote for HGL originally... everyone bandwagoned against martinus, and went back and changed their votes to be for him, except you changed it to malcolio.

hmmm, on a subnote. argh was identified as being a banker by martinus, maybe this is why she was targeted?

[JackCopsey]

Seeing as everyone above me for this day has one vote already, I'll go for the person I actually think is most suspicious. (and no, it's not the person above me!)

Magic Noodles for his amazingly "ambiguous" name drops. Examples include:

malcolio, you banker. Or not.

I think I'll go for a rather risky name-drop. Just kidding!

JackCopsey :D (Yeah. Now it's personal)

I'll go for adrenaline, though I have no idea why.


Although there are many other suspicious people in the game, I am going to use my vote on Magic Noodles. Feel free to object. :)

[Shalashaska]

I think if he didn't want to get lynched, Magic Noodles should have played a bit differently.

[Littleshore]

I'm not convinced, so I'll stick to the norm Shalashaska

[malcolio]

Agreed, Littleshore.

[doctor_fruitbat]

Same. malcolio.

[Small Fry]

Bah, nothing to go on so Doctor Fruitbat.

[Shalashaska]

bah, I have to pay attention

[adrenaline]

shalashaska have you changed vote. As it seems you have voted twice.
i am confused :D

[Small Fry]

...sneaky name-drop?

[malcolio]

He's not the only one dropping names...

[Shalashaska]

Was in a hurry, thought I hadn't posted yet. >_<

facepalm.jpg

[friendly spoon]

small fry then

[harryashfield]

Day 5 is now over. Commentary:

Day 5

"bitch. I mean, it's her fault the condom broke, she was too vigourous. What? we're back? Cock! Err, good evening ladies and gentlemen! Following the tragic events that occured yesturday, it seems some peace was in order. It seems the smoke and ash has caused a large smokescreen effect on the city, rendering us in permenant darkness. Many are too scared to leave their homes. As such, the terrorist organisation of the dole scum have remained quiet today. That said, the station recieved this alarming warning letter today: 'Today, you got lucky. But believe us, It will not happen again. We want to remind you that people will be exposed. Accidents will happen, and everything will be revealed when the smoke is clear...'. The government decided that it would censor this letter, and ban it from being revealed to the- oh. Ahem. Err, anyway, there was much speculation to members of the dole scum. Magic Noodles came incredibly close to death. Is this what we have become? A bunch of savages? I only worry that every day no-one is confronted, we row closer to death. Worse than that, the dole scum may leech so much money off the economy, we won't be able to tell who is who at all anymore. As such, the government has promised action. Their grand scheme will be revealed in the next few days. That is all for now. Goodnight, and God bless."

Elsewhere in the city, members of paliment were meeting up with the army. Many words were spoken, but one thig was in argeement - they were going to bomb the location of the terrorists. They were going to bomb their own city.

Summary:

No-one was exposed (killed off) by the dole scum!
No-one was found out (voted off) by the citizens!

Day 6 will end 27th June at 21:00.

[happy-go-lucky]

friendly spoon for obvious reasons

[malcolio]

happy-go-lucky for even more obvious reasons. :D Unlike some I'll stick to the course and wait it out, we'll get something to go on soon hopefully. :)

EDIT: Maybe the reason why the dole scum didn't kill anyone this time was due to people being away? Just an idea...

[adrenaline]

malcolio

[slush puppy]

adrenaline.

[Littleshore]

slush puppy

[JackCopsey]

This is ridiculous. We have to bandwagon someone soon, before more of us are exposed by dole scum! I for one am still going to vote Magic Noodles, for the reasons already mentioned.

[slush puppy]

Yeah that works great if we happen to get one, but if we don't, we're just making it easier for the dole scum to name drop and co-ordinate. Which they aren't doing very well with our current method, so one of them will have to get brave and risk exposing themselves. Which it just seems like what you're doing at the moment.

[Magic Noodles]

slush puppy. I think I went for adrenaline because I figured that the dole-scum would only post simple posts, so as not to arouse suspicion (hehe, arouse), and adrenaline was the first short-poster in the alphabet. Not very good reasoning I know, but at least in making such a risk I helped prove my non-dole-scum-manship, right?

The malcolio vote was because out of the two M's under suspicion I thought Martinus wasn't guilty. And was right.

edit: Fair enough, I guess it'd probably be better off killing me off, than letting harryashield kill of a major character or something. But you are making a mistake.

[woodchip50]

magic noodles

voting for you because you're above me...

but i want to bring up that your reasons don't prove anything. it just brings suspicion over you. e.g. i don't see why you should have to change your vote if you didn't think martinus was guilty.

seems to me like it's most likely a name drop (possibly the first name? which would explain why it didn't work as you changed it so no one would know you name dropped, but then other scum may have been confused?).
but it could have been something else. maybe something to do with wanting to look like 'having a hunch' on the second name? who tuns out to be your partner in crime! and then when that person is exposed you could appear more innocent? such a hunch would either be known by the PD/PI thingy role... or by a scum member...

also, you're name was mentioned several times yesterday, and you were the focus of the accusations yet you weren't killed off... the scum could have easily taken you out, yet they didn't.. is this because you are scum yourself? or because they generally failed?

i have my suspicions over you, and at the moment if i had to lynch someone it would be you, however, i am not acting on these suspicions yet. as its entirely possible these are the actions of a foolish civi/banker.

[Small Fry]

I think we've waited too long. Harryashfield's going to get pissy soon and kill people off randomly, so I say we act. Not sure if anyone will act with me though, so for now I won't bandwagon :p

[friendly spoon]

yeah magic noodles seems like the most suspicious person for me at the minute and we need to kill someone.

[harryashfield]

I think we've waited too long. Harryashfield's going to get pissy soon and kill people off randomly, so I say we act. Not sure if anyone will act with me though, so for now I won't bandwagon :p

Not the best thing to say If I'm looking to 'randomly' kill someone off :D

[Small Fry]

Better give a sacrifice then, hadn't I? Pity there's no-one who's outright suspicious.

[harryashfield]

Please note. The day will actually end at 00:00PM, commentary may be a little later.

The reson being, Smallfry, Dr_Fruitbat, and Happy go Lucky have yet to vote. I strongly advise you do....:D

[Small Fry]

Thought I had, no worries. Friendly Spoon.

[Shalashaska]

Magic Noodles.

[happy-go-lucky]

sorry. been having computer issues.
shalashaska

this is the first time i've managed to get online :(

[harryashfield]

Alright, I can let that slip.

Day 6 is now over.


"ZZssskkk...Good evening ladies and Gents. I must apologise profusely for the lateness of tonights show, it seems that all the radio channels have been clogged up with tribute songs to some dead pop king, or something. We salute you, Dr_F. Jackson, your death has reminded us all the importance of not paying attention to the game... of life.
It was another day of wild accusations today. It seemed three people had been singled out as possible dole scum. There was much bickering, and in the end, no-one person was picked out. Is this a sign? Are happy times here to stay, and there aren't any left? To further that, no-one was found guilty of embezzeling funds! More good news for our city. So, while we mourn the loss of one of our great citizens, we must keep in mind that the economy hasn't recovered yet, and she will claim more victims... Now, to play us out, in tribute to a crazy person that once held his baby daughter off a cliff whilsy possibly high, is a slow paced tribute song that idolises him as a hero. Sing us out, Fruity...................'Jilly Bean - Is My lover! She's a man, that had a... sex change op!!!!...but I sing this warning song.....Smallfry my love. Don't diss the narrator. It won't end well, for you I don't think! But it's up. To you. My Love......"


MAGIC NOODLES - THE BANKER OF OUR GENERATION!!!

By Mr and Mrs Journ A. List

It is my pleasure to write a deep and informative article on a complely top banker - Mr Magic Noodles. In a world where everyday, more and more soliciters and politicians are being exposed as corrupt, or insane, or having took place in crazy sex orgies, it is brilliant to know that his bank, Magic Noodleswide has posted record profits in the last quarter, and boasts a high rate savings ISA that just might be the building society we are looking for. FULL STORY ON PAGE 7
VERDICT ON THE NEW TRANSMORPHERS FILM - IT'S A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS - PAGE 15

A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY TO BLOW UP THE CITY? NAH.... PAGE 4


Later That night, A helicopter stormed to the top of the Adrenalinepire state building. In it's cargo hold? A large, 50 Megatonne nuclear bomb. But that wasn't the worst part. Next to the inconspicuous pilot, was a member of the dole scum. He would wait for the ideal moment to take control. Think of the havoc he could cause. Then, if a film adaptation of the brilliant events was made, it could completely change the plot, making it seem he hadn't even gone up in the helicopter, completely annoying fans of the novelisation!
His plan to destroy humanity would work on many different levels. He thought he would get Ron Howard to direct it. He had experience in that field!

SUMMARY

No-one (civillian) was exposed as a corrupt banker! (killed off by the dole scum)
No-one was found out by the civillians! (voted off by the civillians)
Dr_Fruitbat was removed for innactivity
Magic Noodles was chosen by the Journalist to be exposed, and was a Banker (innocent civilian)!!!!1!
Ron Howard ruined the film 'Angels and Demons' by chaging so much of the plot it made little to no sense at all. Probably wasn't his fault, but still.

Day 7 will end 21:00 on the 28th June.

[JackCopsey]

Well, my game is probably over soon. I have to admit, I do look pretty suspicious. Ah well, in my defense I claim not to be dole scum. (although that does little to prove it) And if I am exposed as the banker that I am.....I told you so!

Anyway, in fear of bandwagoning again, and cocking up big time, I will go for the person above: happy-go-lucky.

[slush puppy]

I don't see how you're any more suspicious then anyone else, seeing as other people have pointed out that we need to bandwagon, and voted against the same person you have. Guilty conscience maybe? Anyway you're above me so JackCopsey.

[JackCopsey]

I thought I seemed suspicious, being the person that insisted we bandwagon against Magic Noodles. (I'm really not helping myself seem less suspicious!)

[slush puppy]

I don't see what you have to gain by drawing attention to yourself like this, all I can think is you're making really obvious name drops, to help the dole scum get a kill, as they're doing pretty crap so far, and sacrificing yourself in the process. Otherwise you must just have no common sense whatsoever, and if you are a banker, and we end up killing you off, you're just helping the dole scum.

[Shalashaska]

Ron Howard ruined the film 'Angels and Demons' by chaging so much of the plot it made little to no sense at all. Probably wasn't his fault, but still.

Hahahahahaha

Slush Puppy

[Magic Noodles]

Yay, does this mean I'm still in? If so, edit. And damn you Ron Howard!

Edit: JackCopsey, so as to protect our nation's bankers from harry. Harry giveth, and he taketh away.

[Small Fry]

No point voting for the person above me, it would look more like a name drop, so JackCopsey gets my vote. He name-dropped Turkey Sandwich and is now seeming quite guilty. Also, I think we should bandwagon now, and I'm prepared to risk it.

[adrenaline]

i'm going to say small fry
we could bandwagon. but i want some more evidence before i do anything rash

[friendly spoon]

if we don't do anything then harryashfield will start killing us jack copsey

[woodchip50]

jackcopsey if only to save myself from harry :)

[harryashfield]

Sorry for confusion. And Lateness. It had almost nothing to do with inFamous.

Day is now over - stand by for narration.

Day 7.

"..........zskgood eveningjnodnf...zzskzkkzk...ournk reception is a little off tonightzzskdkkd bear with us. It brings me great Sadness to inform you alllzzzkskzk two deaths tonightssskkkzzzzzz...."

*Cuts out*

Tht night, people had been in outrage. They were all in tremendous fear that if they did not act, the looming hand of fate would kill them off slowly but surely. Many acted in haste - jumping on the bandwagon to investigate Jack Copsey. Some speculated they had seen him in the Dole office, others said they had seen the large box of a 52" Plasma T.V outside his house - something only a person living off the dole would be able to buy. The dolscum-destruction unit arrived outside his house.
Inside, Jack was in a panic. He had no idea how to get out of this one - he wasn't living off the dole, he had a very cushy job at his father's bank, Copsywide.
"OPEN UP!" one member shouted. "WE'RE HERE TO KILL YOU!" "Why won't he open?" another man shouted.
The door finally came down. And with it,the entire house. Jack had not been a wealthy man - he made very little. His father did not pay him much because the bank was already in trouble, and he could not afford to pay the full rate. Jack's house was in urgent need of repair - it had been below the explosion that had taken place at the Arghlience and Lecsiter building. As such, the door was bearing the load of the house. The last hing the police saw was the T.V - marvolous in size, but bearing the brand name 'Technika' - clearly purchased rom Tesco's - at a cheap price. Jack had been innocent - and the price they would pay would be to be buried alive with him. At least they would be able to watch primetime freeview television on a poor quality t.v!
There were gunshots heard that night. All had committed suicide.

In another part of the city, Magic Noodles was also in a pickle. The dole scum had him at gunpoint, as many members rifled through his drawers. One was seen to put some dirt in one of the files - a symbol, perhaps? They were in arguement over what to do. One man shouted "There's no evidence that he's corrupt. Let's just leave!" Another shouted "NO! I know he's a banker... and he must be corrupt. He took Our Jobs!!!"
"Look! I'm Sorry!" Magic Protested. I'm not corrupt! I even gave you a loan!"
The angry member grew inpatient - pointing a gun at Magic's head.
"I used to work for the BBC. I can put together a film that encourage audiences that you were corrupt. Their audience are idiots." And with that, he fired.

".........zzzzzzzzzskskskkkkcscshschsvchkkk....are we back? We're back! Quickly then ladies and gents, we mourn the loss of two great men today - JackCopsey - mistaken for a Dole Scum and incorrectly killed, and Magic Noodles - A great man, whose name was blemished by the dole scum. That is all for now, God bless."

Summary

JackCopsey was voted off, and was a harmless banker!
Magic Noodles was finished off by the dole scum!

Day 8 ends 1st July at 21:00.





That night - the dole scum laughed amonst themselves. They had a totally original plan to kill off everyone in the city - they would place a huge bomb at the centre - and forever kill off the bankers who were responsible for their poverty. With two bombs in place, the climax of this story would certainly go off with a bang. Or two, to be precise.

[JackCopsey]

Bugger. Kind of my fault there. Anyway, I'm sure that at least one of the people who bandwagoned me was a dole scum - slush puppy, for example, seemed quite keen to vote me off.

[malcolio]

Sorry I missed out on the last day, lack of sleep + crazy busy day in Real Life is to blame.

Lots of people mentioned Magic Noodles name, and there were many people who were eager to get rid of JackCopsey. Once I'm more awake I will look through the thread for some pattern in what's happened, but I have my idea on a couple of people...

[slush puppy]

Well actually, I didn't bandwagon against jackcopsey, he was above me, although if you say stuff like that in a game I don't know how you expect not to be voted off. Anyway, as usual no evidence, so malcolio.

[woodchip50]

have you looked for evidence?

if we dont find something soon we shall all be blown up by this blasted bomb!

i shall not be so hasty to VFPO or whatever it was called...

but instead i shall wait for someoen else to find something ^_^

[slush puppy]

Well no one voted for Magic Noodles this round, but I assume it was because we knew he was a banker, but as I have no life I may go through the whole thread again, to see if there's anything we missed.

Edit: I've just read the whole thread, and there is only 2 people that have said people's names unnecessarily, or used the person below them method, only 1 of those 2 consistently dropping people's names. But then as none of these people died, could just be a giant coincidence.

[happy-go-lucky]

slush puppy for now. unless anyone thinks of some amazing evidence.

[malcolio]

slush puppy for now. unless anyone thinks of some amazing evidence.I've got no evidence, but there have been a couple of people who were keen to get rid of a few people who have now been killed off and were innocent. Not evidence per se (especially as most of us were eager to kill off Martinus) but pushing the bandwagon along is a prime tactic of the enemy in this game if they can't get their act together when it comes to voting. Anyway, I've noticed the following:

One player was instrumental in making most of us vote off Martinus (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2236303&postcount=98[/url), whilst being keen to kill off other (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239105&postcount=172) members (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239814&postcount=188).

Another player was suspicious of JackCopsey (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2237004&postcount=124) early on and again was eager to kill him (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239785&postcount=186) or anyone (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239070&postcount=171). I don't buy the we-must-kill-someone-or-else-harryashfield-will-come-someone argument, due to the fact that killing off someone we don't know is guilty isn't that much better than harryashfield bumping off someone randomly (or however he'll do it).

Lastly one player has been name (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2235241&postcount=67)-dropping (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?p=2237661#post2237661) a lot and again has been eager to kill off others (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239814&postcount=188).

You can probably guess though that I won't be voting for any of the above as none of what I have linked to is evidence enough, they could all be just playing the game eager to protect themselves or be unfortunate in what they say based on hindsight. So I'll be using up my one abstain.

[Littleshore]

I feel quite lost in this game. If there is any abstains i think I'll follow malcolio and use mine now. What he says seems plausible, though he might just be trying to lead us on.

[malcolio]

I feel quite lost in this game. If there is any abstains i think I'll follow malcolio and use mine now. What he says seems plausible, though he might just be trying to lead us on.If I wanted to lead you on then....I'd be leading you on. I'm not trying to start a bandwagon, I'm just pointing out some players that might want to be bandwagoned when we actually have some concrete evidence to go on.

[harryashfield]

N.b - day will actually end at midnight tonight.

[friendly spoon]

One player was instrumental in making most of us vote off Martinus (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2236303&postcount=98[/url), whilst being keen to kill off other (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239105&postcount=172) members (http://forums.weebls-stuff.com/showpost.php?p=2239814&postcount=188).


in my defense, martinus was suspicious and didn't exactly attempt to save him self.
i don't really have much of an excuse for the others i just think that if no one gets lynched we won't get anywhere.

also the gypsy person said i was innocent so while it's possible i might be the dole scum leader, it's less likely than the others.
Littleshore

[adrenaline]

God. I feel kinda like i don't know whats happening.
We need some kinda of evidence.
we have some evidence that malcolio has provided. but.
Not enough i think to be certain on.

[harryashfield]

Day 8 is now over.

Day 8

"..........zsk..........zzzzzkkkkkzkzkzkskksskkzkzk skzkskzskzkskzswomaniser woman womaniser you're a womaniserzzzzzsskzkzskzskzskzskkszszszs..z..sz..sz sd.kkk.k.zsz.sz.szscomplete load of bollocks. I mean, is it even a real comeback if you just dress provocatively whilst singing shitssssssskskskzkzk\zzkszkskzkskzsk........zzkzkz kkkzkskskskskkkkkkood evening once again ladies and gents. I keep getting his worrying feeling that there are people out to get me. They'll be able to triangulate my signal within 2 minutes. I must be brief. Although there was much bickering over who might be dole scum, once agin no-one was singled out. 99 seconds. Every time we don't vote someone off, the dole scum get together and pick off one of our own. 79 seconds. Incidentally, the body of Happy Go Lucky was discovered today, with pink slips shoved down his throat, and having suffocated to death. 60 seconds. Seems he had been the leader of one of the biggest finance companys in this town, and had given many, many jobs to people. But as the recession hit, he had to lay off almost eveyone. 43 seconds. As a result, he may have created some of the mosters we are struggling to find today. Their DNA is... shockingly similar to ours. It's as if they're almost...human. 30 seconds. I bid farewell to our esteemed high class banker, although also bid this warning - laying people off won't help in a recession. You need to stay strong, and hold a company together. Out of time - must go-zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZkSKSSKSKSKzkKzkskzSKZKzKSKZszk... .................."

Summary

HGL was removed by the dole scum!
No-one was voted off!

Day 9 will end at 23:00 on the 3rd July!



That night, two organisations were busy at work. At the centre of the city - Window street - the central stock exchange/banking district, two groups of people were activating bombs in two different buildings next to each other. Unnaware of each other's presence, they went about their work, thinking that because there was only one bomb, people would survive. They were wrong.

[malcolio]

This is getting a bit silly now. I've checked the thread and happy-go-lucky's name was only mentioned by a few players (myself included) because of the VTPAY method, or by a name-drop by one player that I already pointed out in my post above. I don't know whether the dole scum have some extremely clever method of choosing who to vote, are getting lucky or are so few in number that they can vote for who they like and nearly guarantee a hit. Or all three! :(

Anyway, I'm going to mull this over as I don't like voting for someone to be killed unless I'm pretty sure they deserve it, but the way things are going we might need to do just that... For now though adrenaline for being above me.

EDIT: And I'm going to ignore harryashfield's narration when it comes to playing the game. If a bomb has been planted then it's too late now to do anything by voting someone off.

[harryashfield]

*sigh* I'm just building tension, no need to get upset, It won't affect anyone until the finale!

[malcolio]

In that case I'm definitely not going to try to kill anyone off just because of your narration. :D (And I hope other people drop that as an excuse too...)

[woodchip50]

malcolio
...
for now...

[slush puppy]

woodchip50. I'm not actually sure how many people are still in the game, has anyone been keeping a list or anything? I've already re-read once, and I'm lazy.

[adrenaline]

I have no idea. I was trying to add it up earlier. maybe 8 or 9
Slush puppy

[happy-go-lucky]

He?
HE?
*sulk*

[Small Fry]

I am surprised I'm still alive, tbh. Works experience is a bitch, 9 hours a day at Boots, instead of my nice job at Smallfry Banking Ltd, so I haven't been able to play the game watch the economy for a while.

I don't have any ideas seeing as no-one name-dropped HGL recently. Abstain.

[Shalashaska]

Small Fry

[Littleshore]

Shalashaska is hard to spell..

Anyways, this might be the most interesting round I have been playing in this game.. I actually think the game has a bit more of suspense without the counterspy role. Might be something to think about for future games.. Why not fill the story telling with hidden clues, in stead of having a person just knowing peoples hidden identity after a round. I think the journalist role works better than the normal undercover person.

[harryashfield]

As requested, those who are still alive are:

friendly spoon
slush puppy
happy-go-lucky
adrenaline
JackCopsey
Doctor_Fruitbat
Martinus
Malcolio
Captain Caveman
Shalashaka
Argh
Turkey Sandwich
Woodchip50
Littleshore
Small fry
Magic Noodles
Advent Pie

I think.

Day will end at midnight tonight - Narration may be later.

[friendly spoon]

so there is 8 of us left and probably about 4 dole scum.
I think we are going to lose
Littleshore

[slush puppy]

Well I'm pretty sure one got booted early on for inactivity? But that doesn't make the odds much better. I don't understand how they are co-ordinating so well =/

[friendly spoon]

when i was a wolf we managed to get two early kills without name dropping or anything, i have no idea why it doesn't happen more

[harryashfield]

Day is now over. Stand by for narration.

Day 9

"ZzsssskkksSKsksk.......I don't have long. 29 seconds. They're onto me. A great day today - no-one voted off. No-one killed. But I have a deep sense of paranoia - something bad will happen soon. 17. The dole scum are immobilising. They're going to get someone. Soon. And then, the rest of us. They're here already! You're next!- "

*Cuts out*

SLUSH PUPPY - NOT JUST A DISGUSTING DRINK!
I was recently privileged enough to tour Slush Puppy's wonderful Bank and ice cold drink factory. I was so happy to see someone who wasn't sneakily doing anything corrupt, or living off the dole. It was all so wonderfully normal - hundreds of 3rd world illegal immigrants, horrific chemical ingredients, and best of all, a vault with a 1 digit code. If that doesn't show how talented a businessman she is, I don't know what will.

Continued page 3.

Why not reaching a concensus will end in defeat - page 5

Why not voting amongst villains won't reach results either - page 6

SUMMARY

No-one was killed off by the Dole scum, or voted off by the general bankers.

Slush Puppy was investigated by the journalist, and is an innocent banker.

Day 10 will end 5th July at about 22:00.

[Shalashaska]

friendly spoon

[malcolio]

Urgh, well good to know the journalist is doing their job still, just wish they'd write up a more interesting article! And the dole scum haven't struck again so although that doesn't give us any leads it means they'll have to be more obvious when it comes to leaving clues, which gives us a better chance of catching them. And of course the longer they take the more time the journalist has, so the waiting game still works in our favour. :)

Shalashaska.

[slush puppy]

She! Thank you.
adrenaline for now.

[friendly spoon]

it takes the journalist three days to discover anyone
we will probably lose in a day because as soon as the amount of civilians is equal to the amount of dole scum we can't win
the waiting game is an awfull tactic malcolio

[slush puppy]

Well guessing and getting wrong is an awful tactic too, especially if it does mean it would make the numbers equal. Most of the "evidence" provided I'm sure most people can agree with themselves, and seeing as the dole scum aren't being very co-ordinated at the moment, the best way for them to win is make us vote off someone innocent.
So you, who are already under suspicion, seem even more suspicious. So, I'm changing my vote so one person doesn't have 2.

[woodchip50]

slush puppy.

*SIGHS*

hmmm, we can work out how many there could be, see, theres 8 people left, and as has been pointed out if there were equal numbers of bankers and scum then the game would be over. SO, we know there is either 3/2/1 (as anything higher would result in us loosing). its likely that its not 1 as we have only lost one scum thus far (correct if wrong). and i dont think a game has ever started with just 2.

so i personally suspect either 3/2 scum left. and as we begun with 17 it could be either. i suspect 3 as they have been pretty good with kills. 2 would require that both got the right name. 3 should require only 2 of the three got it.

so

i think

we are looking for 3 scum.

[Small Fry]

4 out of 17 sounds more likely, so I agree we're probably looking for 3 more scum. Best to aim higher anyway.

So I have about a 3/6 (1/2) chance of getting a dole scum if I randomly vote someone off. Assuming of course that I'm a banker and that the person who has just been investigated is not the leader. Sounds fair enough.

But. That also means I have about a 1/2 chance of killing a banker by voting randomly, which (if there are 3 scum left) would end the game. So, bad idea.

But, this is assuming there are 3 scum left. There may only be two or (very unlikely) one left, in which case our chance of getting one decreases but we wouldn't lose if we vote wrongly.

I don't know what to do, so woodchip50 gets my vote and I hope the scum are pretty bad at name-dropping.

[friendly spoon]

It's highly likely that the dole scum will get a kill tonight with the amount of people they have left and even if they don't then they will almost certainly have one in 3 days, waiting for the journalist is a terrible idea.
Malcolio is probably the best player in the game and I thought he would have noticed that, unless he was a dole scum trying to make us lose.

[Small Fry]

Using his reputation against him :p? Or just name-dropping?

Also the more scum there are, the less chance they'll get a kill randomly.

[friendly spoon]

I've already voted for him though.

Anyway that's my point, if theres hardly any dole scum then they will probably get a kill before the journalist can find anyone.

[Shalashaska]

Stop mentioning fucking names in your posts. You're complicating things.

[Littleshore]

Shalashaska why break the trend?

I think the dole scum will win this game really..

[malcolio]

It's highly likely that the dole scum will get a kill tonight with the amount of people they have left and even if they don't then they will almost certainly have one in 3 days, waiting for the journalist is a terrible idea.
Malcolio is probably the best player in the game and I thought he would have noticed that, unless he was a dole scum trying to make us lose.My being good at this game shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not I'm a dole scum. Also the same number of people are alive now as were yesterday so the chances of the dole scum killing again are the same. As others have said trying to kill off someone else for no real reason isn't that much more useful, hence why I've been waiting for more evidence to come about. Give people some better reasons for killing me off other than 'because he's malcolio, boooo!'. :p

[adrenaline]

littleshore
Also.
FUCK!
This game is damn complicated.

[Shalashaska]

Adrenaline

[harryashfield]

Day 10 is over. Dissapointing results.

Day 10

"...ladies and gentlemen, I have recieved another letter from the dole scum. It is...poorly written, to say the least. Although, would it be an unfair assumption to make that anyone living off the dole is poorly educated?.......no. Not at all. The organistion demands somthing called 'reesulkz' - I assume they mean results. They demand that if 'acchun izzznent tekin' then ''peepil wll dye.' In english, what will happen, I assume, is that because there are no results in finding people out, the dole scum may acheive 2 KILLS TOMORROW. That's right. To be honest, even I don't have any idea what's going on. Shit! 3 seconds!- chhhhkskkskzkzzzzzzz "

Summary
No-one was voted off by you, or killed by the dole scum. So tomorrow, if someone isn't clearly voted off, and the dole scum produce two names, both people will die. In a similar fashion, if two people tie votes exactly (like for example, today), they will both be killed. Suck on that, y'all!

Day 11 ends 7th July at about 23:00.

[Small Fry]

Awww man no more evidence and now we have to kill someone. I propose friendly spoon. This is completely random as I don't even have suspicions never mind evidence :(

[harryashfield]

You may want to consider that this is for your own good/to help you all - The dole scum seem to be doing rather well, and unless you take a stab at someone (literally) the game will end in a few days...

[slush puppy]

If I have to pick someone, then woodchip50, sorry, but you've name dropped the most throughout.

[Littleshore]

yeah, i agree, woodchip50

[Small Fry]

Ok, the bandwagon is rollin'. Time to reconsider and hop on. Woodchip50.

[friendly spoon]

woodchip then i guess

[woodchip50]

...
thanks. i hope the dole scum kill you ALL!

[Small Fry]

They will, if we don't act. Sorry.


They probably will if we don't too :(

[Littleshore]

If the dole kills of two innocents and the game is still on there must be two doles left. Since we are eight players any higher number would mean that the dole scum wins. I hoped this game would last a while longer, as it just started to get interesting.

[malcolio]

Not why harryashfield wants to hurry up his own game, but whatever!

woodchip50 it is, I don't mind hopping on this bandwagon seeing as I already listed my suspicions about him. Just hope they're right! (No hard feelings if you're innocent though woodchip50...)

[harryashfield]

Hey, I'm loving running this game, just trying to make it more interesting/involving for you all!

[woodchip50]

...thanks.

btw guys. i know theres no point in saying it but.

mistake.
EDIT:
you know what. i have a better idea than feigning innocence.

Right
Hi
So
Im unemployed
And am so overly determined to get my own back on you bastard bankers that im gonna do this:

Hello fellow dole scum. You’ve still got your PM’s I hope.
This is how you are going to vote over the next few days.
First, tonight.
1) Easy to do. Kill off the person the recently fired dole scum has voted for the past two nights in a row.
2) Then, kill off the person I voted for last night. PM – 10:15 – 5/7/09
3) Then next night kill off the person I voted for two nights ago. We received that PM at 12:24 4/7/09
4) Then kill off the person whose name begins with the sixth letter of the first word in the PM received at 10:15 – 5/7/09
5) Then kill off the person whose name begins with the letter which sits next to BOTH asterisks in the PM received at 10:15 on the 5/7/09
6) Then kill off the person whose name begins with the first letter of the first word on the bottom line of the PM received at 12:24 on the 4/7/09

One of those instructions will lead you to vote off one of our own. You are to miss off that instruction. And skip over it. Move onto the next. It’s there as a precaution.

GOODBYE FUCKERS! :)
now im off to get me some cheap tesco value vodka, as i cannot afford any of that nice stuff now that im unemployed and all.
thank god for JSA!

[adrenaline]

Well. Got some luck in finding that.
But ALSO
Shit.
I'll go for Woodchip50.
As there is no other option right now.
But after that. We have to act quickly.
Like FUCKING quickly.
As in. We either rustle up some evidence. Or we bandwagon.

The former is hard to do without the journalist or harryashfield giving us info.
And the latter is just pretty obvious but also quite risky.
God this is a stressful first game...

[malcolio]

Woo, we're going to kill off a dole scum! Finally! :D

[Shalashaska]

Woodchip50

Oh nice we now have a time limit. Sweet. Makes things so much easier.

[woodchip50]

i have done all i can for the dole scum now.

my advice to the bankers:
stab. stab randomly and quickly. :)