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ReAction
03-10-2003, 05:19 PM
I'm tired of hearing about the stupid record companies trying to shut down file sharing on the internet. I'd never heard about the RIAA until they 'arrested' some old man for downloading a song over the internet. Oh no! This crime is so much worse than say, the crime of killing innocent children, or blowing up a night club. I can certainly see why it's media-worthy.

Anyway. Record companies probably would never have had such problems with file sharing if they had not ripped off their customers to begin with. I quote the following statistics from Maddox the Pirates' kickass site (http://maddox.xmission.com/musicindustry.html)

How much does the average CD cost? I figure $14. For $14, you get a case, a paper jacket depicting the artist, and a CD. Which of these two mediums are most likely to be more difficult to manufacture? How much does it cost for the plastic and coating of a CD? I've found that the plastic in a CD costs less than 3 cents to press. So how the hell is the extra $6 justified??? The CD jacket? Couldn't be, most CDs I have only have a single piece of paper on the inside and the back. The case couldn't be what's costing us all the money, since the plastic in a CD case costs little more than the plastic in a CD. Take a look at these figures:

For 500 C40-49:59 "Ready for Retail" Cassette Tapes with J-card + 4 panels costs: $983.00

For 500 "Ready for Retail" Compact Discs with 4 panels and tray card costs: $1725.00

What justifies the difference in almost $800 in price? The truth is that the music industry is greedy. They can charge us anything they want for music because they have enough money to buy the rights to an artist. The price of CDs should have been drastically reduced by now, to at least the cost of a tape if not less, but it hasn't.

You can read more by clicking the link above.

I did some reading and to my long-exisiting suspicions he is correct. CD production is just as cheap if not cheaper than tape production, so why is it so much more expensive to purchase? Because the record companies realise they're in demand and put a higher price for profit.

I'm not saying this is wrong, but when they do this, they have to expect people to start finding cheaper alternatives such as internet file sharing. Most people can't afford the $35 ripoff CD's now and don't want them anyway, because it's now simpler to simply send a couple of bucks to an mp3 site to download the song, or even better, use one of the programs that has been forbidden from mention here to download for free!

People say if you're downloading music, you're really ripping off the artists. Which is untrue, we're actually justifying the record companies that rip US off by charging us way too much to begin with. The record companies pay the band long before they ever see revenue from their CD sales, so in boycotting CD purchase, you're really sending the message to the record companies: LOWER THE PRICE.

All they have to do is lower the price of their cd's to a rational level! Then maybe the public won't be so pissed off. Instead of arresting people for not buying an outrageously overpriced CD, why not simply lower the price, and THEN arrest the satanic music downloaders from hell. They won't have an argument to lean on then will they?

Thankfully these laws of file sharing haven't passed here in Australia (yet) and we can simply watch the carnage that America is stewing itself into by making such a fuss over something that is their own fault anyway. Unfortunately I see signs of this storm heading our way. Better cover up.

BFCA
03-10-2003, 05:24 PM
Well done :)

PiesInTheory
03-10-2003, 06:59 PM
Lower the freakin' cd prices! I've read many articles on the topic, and it's just the power/money hungry record companies that are trying to stomp on us in order to buy more albums. It's rediculous. I buy cds if I like the mp3s, moreso than I would if I didn't have access to them. Shove that up your ass record guys.

Scribbly
03-10-2003, 07:02 PM
didn't they just cut the price in half or something in the USA? as for me, I don't care. If I really like something, I'll buy it. Yes. CD's are pretty pricy, so I don't have the urge to buy them. But on the other hand; I've discovered several bands by downloading there music from kazaa and later on bought there cd's..

PiesInTheory
03-10-2003, 07:08 PM
I don't live in the states right now, but I wish I could say YES to that. They deserve to give us a break for buying as much music as some of us do.

Digga
03-10-2003, 07:43 PM
hang on, what the fuck? you're quoting maddox. YOU'RE QUOTING MADDOX! AND AS A SERIOUS QUOTE?

Have you SEEN most of maddox's site? the entire things a pisstake. He rips the shit out of anything and everything, even 6 year old childrens pictures.

Ferret Pie
03-10-2003, 07:56 PM
You have to pay to download mp3!! hahaha
Cd money goes to artists

PiesInTheory
03-10-2003, 07:57 PM
Not everywhere you don't...*hugs mp3.com*

BFCA
03-10-2003, 11:01 PM
*hugs the forbidden-to-mention fle sharing applications*

ReAction
04-10-2003, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by Ferret Pie
You have to pay to download mp3!! hahaha
Cd money goes to artists

two things. On some sites you have to pay to download mp3's, these are the legal sites. Stop being a dipshit.

and CD money doesn't go to artists, it goes to the record companies, moron. What, do you think the artists sit at home and every time one of their CD's is bought they get a cheque in the mail?

Also Maddox kicks your ass.

itchy
04-10-2003, 02:48 PM
well, here in canada, an average cd costs about 27.99$.... don't you wish you don't live here.
i was going to buy the rancid cd "...and out coce the wolves" and it was 27.99$
i go home, look on the internet, to see what tracks are on it. i already have about half of them on itunes, and i download the rest. i put it all in a fie, and put it on a disk.
cost: 1.50$
cost for real cd: 27.99$

i would rather spen about half an hour finding songs, than spend 30$ including taxes...

and by the way.... it's an awesome cd.

ReAction
04-10-2003, 02:56 PM
The point is more that people would be willing to simply pay for songs if they could download them off the internet, or pay a reasonable price for the cd they want.

some bands (linkin park) use only half the cd and demand higher costs for the cd as opposed to another band that fills up 2 cd's for the same cost.

However, charging based on how much is on a cd isn't good as cheapskate bands will simply make more and more cd fillers so they can charge more.

so here's what I propose. internet sites where you could download songs for $1 each, and 50 cents if they're older than 10 years. and CD's that are bought in stores to be anywhere from 40-60% less cost than they are atm.

Another smart idea for sales would be for people to choose individual songs to be compiled onto one cd, pay 50 cents for the CD, plus the total costs of the songs you've chosen. you pick 15 recent songs, 5 old songs. thats $18. As opposed to a completely unreasonable $35. The customer gets what he wants, the retailer gets what they want (business), the artists get what they want (recognition)

I realise that there are several sites on the internet that have these options now, however I'm not sure if they're legal, and they usually have a shitty selection of music because artists aren't willing to release their music for this option for fear of exploitation.

Jeff The Jiff
04-10-2003, 02:59 PM
chart cds are usually about £12 (about $26 CAD) and more underground/rare ones can be around £18 (approx $40 CAD)

according to the RIAA (http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/cost.asp), "Artists receive royalties on each recording, which vary according to their contract, and the songwriter gets royalties too. In addition, the label incurs additional costs in finding and signing new artists"
Additional costs? i'd say most of it goes to the labels. or the RIAA.

clicky (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/60991p-57008c.html)

I luv Pie
05-10-2003, 04:04 AM
You know what is really stupid? The US makes such a fuss about MP3 sharing on the 'net, yet they make MP3 players and other items involving MP3's? Like, how stupid can you get?

I swear that's why I like living in Australia. But ReAction, Remember what happened to the 'un-namable' File sharing programs that practically burnt out? I can. And it's not like the US can stop it. If they make a law, people will find ways to get around it.

ReAction
05-10-2003, 05:09 AM
People are already finding a way around it.

One of the forbidden programs already boasts RIAA blocking features.

Jeff The Jiff
05-10-2003, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by I luv Pie
You know what is really stupid? The US makes such a fuss about MP3 sharing on the 'net, yet they make MP3 players and other items involving MP3's? Like, how stupid can you get?
the US isnt making a fuss over mp3 sharing, just the RIAA. and maybe the government.

ReAction
05-10-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Jeff The Jiff
the US isnt making a fuss over mp3 sharing, just the RIAA. and maybe the government.

That's like saying Mcdonalds doesn't make burgers, only their staff do.