Pivot - Taking Stick Men to the next Dimension!

[Macca]

1)Kazaa i use for music , and ocassionaly cracks for games
2)emulators ... screw you , why should you judge me
3)That trainer doesnt even work and i hardly ever cheat

Summary : your a idiot and should comment on what people do outside this forum


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That behind us heres a pivot

http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/148.gif
stickman gets owned


Didn't you already post that in OWNED pictures? You have to choose one or the other........

[DarkPieKnight]

Hmm...I wonder how I'll be able to fit a 700 frame pivot here...any suggestions?

...and congrats on reaching 400 Youlikeyams!

[™]

link to it with www.myimg.info
it doesnt need registration or anything just host it and link it
hope this helps! :)

[krikke]

i realy love these little stickman
here's my latest

[Chassisbot]

Nice. Damn nice.

[solid marine]

Movie (http://www.freewebs.com/khorney/Animations/teh%20%20uber%20movie.WMV)


CoX made the animation
Khorney made the sound

It takes a while to load but I personally think it is worth it

What does everyone think?

[krikke]

my longest so far
burn baby burn
disco inferno

[Chassisbot]

Made me laugh, if nothing else.

[solid marine]

So any thoughts on the movie?

[bunji]

Uhhh... Are you actually going to make the movie?

I loved it. Thought it was extremely well animated and the music went excellently with it. Well done! :D

[oblegod]

all your peeps are betta dan mine for gods sake!! i am soooo lame at this all i can make it do is wave!!(badly)

[CoX]

[shameless self-promotion] I did the animation for the movie! [/shameless self-promotion]

And Khorney did something or other. Can't remember what. Hey, where'd that sound come from...

[™]

the movie was more of a trailer ...
are you going to make it a feature presentation?

[solid marine]

Well it was basically to see if people like it. I'm glad some of you do :)

By the way CoX deserves a LOT of credit.

[DutchDemon]

I likes it! Can't + you cox, it says you're being boycotted from getting positive rep. Or that I plussed you before. One of those. Make more movie thingeys guys! :D

[™]

i'm working on making a flash but i need to know how to move a gif (in this case a pivot) by moving all the frames at once instead of one at a time . please help a noob in need.

[Chassisbot]

I don't know. Pivot's all you really need.

[wayland jr]

new animation from me...

http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/173.gif

another animation from me....

http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/174.gif

[™]

a new pivot by me , i came up with the idea while working on my movie

http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/175.gif

[rocko213]

this guy was trying to backflip kick his invisible enemy, mr. invisible, but he overshot his jump and backflip kicked right over him. It's all there in animation.

http://img112.exs.cx/img112/6889/failkick24qr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[zip2119]

hi guys sarry i havent been on latly but ive bin working on 1


here it is
http://img87.exs.cx/img87/5461/boxingpractice0er.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)





since no one wrote since i made the last massage i made a nother
this was sopost to be a screen saver but i dont no how to make it


http://img62.exs.cx/img62/2737/windows2ma.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
any opinions on the 2

[Youlikeyams?]

http://img23.exs.cx/img23/7057/hullo3an.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

HULLO AGAIN!

[Chassisbot]

Look who's back... back again... Yams is back... Tell your friends.

[samtheman]

hey-im new, some cool pivots on here.
this is my 1, some punks running away from the police (thats what the stupid hats are for)
im still working on it
plz tell me what u pros think and visit my crappy site!

http://img138.exs.cx/img138/6117/runaway12347dd.gif

[Chassisbot]

Probably just my crappy computer, but it appeared to be alternately very fast and very slow. Otherwise: Officially kickass.

[zip2119]

i think its good
if u could make it 1/2 the size my comp would se it with out the chopynis

yea my internet conection sucks

[samtheman]

yea it does that when i view it through my site 2-speed up and down. saving it on ur pc is prob the best idea, then just delete it once uve viewed it maybee??!!
and 2 sort the chopynis, if u hover ur mouse over the pic a little box should appear in the bottom right-hand corner if it needs 2 re-size it?! i dunno-just a guess
thx 4 the comments

[Chassisbot]

yea, ur, prob, uve, maybee, chopynis, u, and thx aren't officially recognised words. Using numbers instead of letters is also stupid. This form of communication is fine in a text message, but if you have a keyboard it's stupid. Please, just write like you would if you were writing an essay.

[wayland jr]

true use correct grammer on these forums or people will "flame" you, since i started on these forums ive taken to not using "text talk" ever and use correct words and grammer even on MSN and text messages. anyway the "run away" pivot is exelent for a first try keep it up.

[samtheman]

WOW! chill out, whats the big PROBlem?!
thanks for telling me, but you could have put it in a nicer way!
cheers wayland

[Chassisbot]

If you think that wasn't nice, trust me, certain members are really nasty.

[g19max]

how dop i get pivot?

[zip2119]

download it here http://www.snapfiles.com/get/stickfigure.html

ps this is my first attempt at a fighting animation
http://img111.exs.cx/img111/5192/ultravrsstickman2aw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
any comments or advice
rate 1-10

[samtheman]

ok-thanks chassisbot.
not the way i would treat a first time poster myself, but hey...

[Chassisbot]

how dop i get pivot?

Read the first page.

[DarkPieKnight]

I think that Bunji should add Pivot 2 to the first post as well since it IS better and sort of hard to find going though this HUGE topic...

[Chassisbot]

For those to stupid, busy or lazy to visit the first page: Pivot v2 (http://www.freewebs.com/picydapic/)

[Mitch]

I've not done one of these for ten years to be fair. Probably been all kindsa new versions out. I'm still on v.2.2.4.

Shoddy animation with the pins, but it was hard, okay?

[/Zlash/]

New pivot from me

http://img63.exs.cx/img63/4445/staringcontesttwo8to.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Your thoughts?

[samtheman]

ha ha.
nice one Zlash didn't have a clue what was going on to start with-didn't read title.
cool tumbleweed
i like your bowling pivot too, mitch

[solid marine]

Splinter Cell

[Monkeyboi]

Jus a quicky from me. :cool: :p

http://img164.exs.cx/img164/8317/wowagea0fg.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)


Edit: Its kinda Slow Motion isnt it :badger:

[joey von boey]

]http://img184.exs.cx/img184/6030/pivotguitarhobbit3wa.gif Ok so basically what is going on... there is a famous guitarist in town and people are surprised to see him, but then they find out he is a phony , then the hobbit police come along, and knock him unconcious, one of the Police are then turned into a zombie and take outthe other two, they all do a power ranger style Move and Turn into a huge zombie which makes the other two people into zombies, from that it looks like zombies have won... WRONG a huge guitarist comes in and saves the day using a power of music, then revives the first guitarist and they get together for a final Song, however the first guitarist thinks the second is being greedy and trys to stab him, but the second blocks and stabs him, and then its solo to end :) Any comments?

[samtheguy89]

http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1470/bagsy9pj.gif

this is a crazy mofo, just trying to get his fix.
JOey's was good, but mine is grosser! :love: :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[/Zlash/]

ooooook that's a rather odd pivot. Go easy on the smileys ok samtheguy89?

Also I have a new pivot in progress...it should be finished tommorow.

[joey von boey]

JOey's was good,
heh well good news i got more :D http://img141.exs.cx/img141/8503/bandfinished5tx.gif (http://www.imageshack.us) Comments please :weebl: :eng101:

[Monkeyboi]

Nice one Joey :weebl: its pretty good, I understand the bass drum took along time. :notworthy Anyway overall I'd give it 8/10, I will be making another one soon! :rawk:

[CoX]

Lately i've noticed that the amount of intelligent life in this thread is decreasing.
Nice one Joey :weebl: its pretty good, I understand the bass drum took along time. :notworthy: Anyway overall I'd give it 8/10, I will be making another one soon! :rawk:
JOey's was good, but mine is grosser! :shit load of smileys:
The smileys - in short, STOP. Your posts are good enough without them, and the Pivots make them big enough (in filesize) already, without the smileys clogging up more space.

Most of the recent submissions have come from new members, so hello, read the FAQs, post in beginners to start with, read the FAQS and have fun.

Yes, read them twice. Its the only way they sink in.

I'm only trying to help. Other forumites will not be so kind.

[joey von boey]

post in beginners to start with, .
Dont mean to go on a rant here but to be honest there probably arent any Pivot threads in the beginners place and if i made one there would probably be a commotion about making threads where there are already enough places to post about pivot, so i dont want to break any rules by saying this or start any arguments, but i think we should be allowed to post in this thread. but i agree with the smiley thing heh.

[Chassisbot]

what he means is, spend some time in beginners to learn how to post well.

[joey von boey]

http://img154.echo.cx/img154/4701/football3d1dh.gif (http://www.imageshack.us) done another :) i make too many lol its addictive lol its a football one :D

[Youlikeyams?]

I got all my Pivots back! The engineer working on our PC backed everything up, so I have my Pivots! :D

only one pivot to express that...

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/89/hyper4wj.gif


EDIT: And I'll pop this new one in for good measure.

http://img133.echo.cx/img133/7393/wheeeee0vm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Mitch]

THIS is a music pivot...

[solid marine]

Be gentle, this is my first actual pivot and it took me a very long time.


http://www.leftyrighty.co.uk/bullet.gif


Enjoy...

[monkey magic]

very good, if a bit confusing.
You could have put it all in one frame.

[CoX]

very good, if a bit confusing.
You could have put it all in one frame.
If you click the link in his sig, you'll see why he did it like that.

Nice one solid marine!

[Tesga]

Heres my newest one that i made :)

[Youlikeyams?]

Now a random Pivot for you starring the Kamikaze Watermelon!
http://img40.echo.cx/img40/9773/watermelon1tg.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[solid marine]

Its for my site where its in frames.

[Macca]

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/5213/badgerbadger2ju.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Probably been done to deth but hey..........

[thoughtfulpause]

http://img66.echo.cx/img66/3893/finishedspider6ql.gif (http://For all the aracnaphobes out there, this is my first attempt. View while listening to basement jaxx, 'where's your head at?'. Give me praise, xx thoughtfulpause

[wayland jr]

heh heh nice pivot, first spider ive ever seen done in pivot have a "positive reputaion point" *goes off mumbling and cursing about the good old days with rupies*

[hynzytheweirdo]

Whenever I save mine as a .gif file, it only saves the 1st frame. Can I have a solution to this problem please. If you want to see the ones I've made, PM me, telling me who you are, and I'll email them to you. If I am allowed to do that (some privacy rule might stop me doing that).

[meg_2005]

I wish I were more outgoing....

[solid marine]

Another one for my site (check the link if you don't get why its in frames)

http://www.leftyrighty.co.uk/bullet2.gif



I think it is better than the first

[samtheman]

Here's another from me, a deal that went wrong! It isn't that good, but its only a small one and didn't take that long!
http://img177.echo.cx/img177/1831/deal9iw.gif
Comments please :)

[wayland jr]

its great appart from that pistol other wise its great.

[solid marine]

The pistol is interesting. Very cool stuff though. I like the idea ofthe exchange thing.

[samtheman]

what pistol thing?!

[solid marine]

It looks a bit odd. I didn't really notice. Don't worry about it though, it is really good!

[CoX]

I would like to request that from now on, all Pivots in this thread are to be linked via url. So, instead of putting the picture up using IMG tags, put it up in URL form.

I would like this because some of the animations can have a huge file size, and it slows my computer down a lot. I'm sure someone else must have this problem too.

Just a thought.

[samtheman]

ok thanks solid-you can tell me, i don't mind constructive criticism!

[solid marine]

Well, the gun looks a bit like this

/````

And prehaps it should have a trigger

/-````

I'm not really sure what it is.

[Chassisbot]

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/forums/showpost.php?p=691986&postcount=2327

In this post I have attached a .zip with a lotta guns. Use it wisely.

[samtheman]

ok thanks solid-i see your point.
thanks for the guns Chassisbot, they rock!

[Chassisbot]

The revolver looks best when 3/4 the size of the stickman, for instance a size 100 stickman would use a size 75 revolver.

[wayland jr]

heres another one from me showing what pistols should look like:

http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/318.gif

[Chassisbot]

You dissin' my revolvers, you punk-ass-blaspheming-dope-fed-son-of-a-beeyatch?

[wayland jr]

not really there just to rounded you should make them more square

[/Zlash/]

I was flicking through the thread when I realised waaaaaay back on page 164 someone made a very feebl attempt at a pokmon pivot. So I decided to put some effort in and make a good one. Unfortunately imageshack doesn't host files as big as this one (669 frames long, 800x415) so i had to reduce the frames by 1/3 rather than 1/2 which I normally would:

http://img220.echo.cx/img220/982/pokemonmoviething34wl.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

edit: wooptidoo its running super slow too
bloody imageshack

[wayland jr]

huzzah i love that have a ruppiee... damn not again

[Youlikeyams?]

a javelin with a difference...

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/5776/javelin5ng.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[solid marine]

How did you make your animation so smooth? When I make them and save as a gif it seems to slow down slightly. Now I just have to use less frames.

[Youlikeyams?]

When you save as gif, make the *shrink frames by* 3 and *frame delay* by 5/6/7.


Me on PSP launch day. :p

http://img24.echo.cx/img24/7567/pspday5xd.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Chassisbot]

I was flicking through the thread when I realised waaaaaay back on page 164 someone made a very feebl attempt at a pokmon pivot. So I decided to put some effort in and make a good one. Unfortunately imageshack doesn't host files as big as this one (669 frames long, 800x415) so i had to reduce the frames by 1/3 rather than 1/2 which I normally would:

http://img220.echo.cx/img220/982/pokemonmoviething34wl.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

edit: wooptidoo its running super slow too
bloody imageshack

Sweet, but rubbish lettering.

[Youlikeyams?]

owie.

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8075/owie0yq.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rocko213]

Here's mine, a devil fighting a cowboy

and opposed to contrary belief, devils are infact teal-ish

http://img56.echo.cx/img56/5971/cowboy6sy.gif

[zip2119]

this is my first attempt at a fighting animation
http://img111.exs.cx/img111/5192/ultravrsstickman2aw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
any comments or advice
rate 1-10

[caveman650]

Howdy, Joined this forum today, but I've been using pivot for....7 months lets say? I was just wondering if I could get some feeback on some of my animations.

This one's a joint between me and my friend Bert - http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=thrashblade9zw.gif

This one was for some jumping comp. - http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=smoothnessjumpcontest0el.gif

Another comp. (had to verse someone named Musashi) - http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=cavemanvrsmusashi3cj.gif

A skateboardin animation - http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=sk8boardin7qu.gif

A test for a jet that I made (I only used pivot) - http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=jetflight0yb.gif

I'll keep on postin, and also please leave some feedback, It would be really apreciated.

[wayland jr]

very nice better than some crap posted on here.....

[Youlikeyams?]

Haven't made a fighting Pivot in a while. (no comaprison to caveman's though, his is much better :p)

http://img201.echo.cx/img201/5010/miniuberfight4mj.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[caveman650]

Hehe thanks yours was pretty good though. Just needed some work on the physics.

This one was going to be for a argument that we were having at a forum, over whats better, Pivot or Flash. I joined Pivot cause I like pivot a little more but it died and so I never finished it. - http://img46.echo.cx/img46/3626/pivotvrsflashcaveman9pz.gif

[solid marine]

Hope you enjoy this one, it took quite a long time to make



Gunslinger

http://www.leftyrighty.co.uk/gun slinger.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

I've killed too many people, it's time to move on.

AND BEFORE YOU FLAME, YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT ME MAULING PEOPLE.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/4306/horsegore5mi.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

WELL YOU DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT HUMAN CRUELTY.

[Lord Laserous]

Animal Cruelty?! This time you have pushed it too far "YLY?". My lawyer will be in contact.

[Chassisbot]

He won't, on account of being in a ditch with a knife in his back.

[Lord Laserous]

Never did like him anyway :)

[Youlikeyams?]

TROLLEY CRUELTY!

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/5324/trolley7nk.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[wayland jr]

i think you killed the elephant to..... :p

[rocko213]

http://img246.echo.cx/img246/6047/shot4ee.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

I was just testing a stickdude being shot with all of the blood already behind him.

[DarkPieKnight]

Well the blood's pretty good and the animation is smooth...so good job I guess!

[/Zlash/]

A minor criticism would be that you can see the red lines of the blood from behind him before he is hit. Maybe use smaller lines, or only introduce the blood in to the frame as he is hit

[rocko213]

Yea, that's what I was testing. Good idea to introduce the blood in the frame he's hit. It's just easier and more realistic for me if the blood's already behind him.

[Youlikeyams?]

Look out for a Dalek pivot from me soon with some snazzy effects. :D

[caveman650]

Two more from me:

Training: http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/caveman650/Training.piv

Matrix Style: http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/caveman650/matrix%20style.piv

Enjoy.

[rocko213]

EDIT: nevermind

[DarkPieKnight]

Okay, here's my first in my Zephyr series converted to Flash! But no sound or anything yet...

Right Here! (http://www.dubealex.com/Zephyr1.swf)

Fear my use of the Edit button! :eng101:

[Tesga]

:mush2: :mushroom: :mush2: :mushroom: :mush2: :mushroom:

http://www.msnusers.com/pivotanimation/msgattachments/6185

someone better notice this or they will die!!!!!!!!!!!!!....Ok......bye.......runsaway.... HAHHAHAAHAHA....yuio

[Youlikeyams?]

It's a big one, and it's not even done yet...My Dalek Pivot so far - hope you like the effects I've done (I'm trying to keep it as close to the episode as I can get)...

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8518/dalek1va.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rocko213]

http://img159.echo.cx/img159/5498/bullets8rf.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Using caveman's man3 stick figure model, which owns so friggen much.

I thought the bullets ricocheting off his arm was pretty neat

[satan]

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/457/teamwork3op.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

sorry

does anyone know a good free hosting site?

Great! thanks chassisbot :notworthy

[Chassisbot]

www.imageshack.us

[caveman650]

I didnt make man3....just so you know....I dont know who made it....but they made it....posted it and never posted again.

[rocko213]

Well they'll never know, will they? ;)

Like I said, I used caveman's man3 guy, which owns so friggen much

[Tesga]

rocko213 that is man_2

And its available for everyone (depending on the version) you come with it

[Youlikeyams?]

My most-frames Pivot ever. 451 frames, and with a whine of "EXTERMINATE!" I present...Dalek.

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/7231/dalek7kg.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[satan]

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/8449/magicbeans2xc.th.gif (http://img245.echo.cx/my.php?image=magicbeans2xc.gif)

Never eat magic beans!

[Lew]

yly that is fantastic, truly brilliant :d

[thoughtfulpause]

Am loving the magic beans here. Who'd have thought it- fun AND educational! Ah- if only someone could make a pivot summarising the entire GCSE geography course. *bats eyelashes hopefully*.
Hey well- won't hold my breath.
I'm also a big fan of the Dr Who pivot. Can we expect a sequel? I live in awe of "Youlikeyams?". You seem to be developing this into an art form. Truly inspired.
xx thoughtfulpause

[Youlikeyams?]

I'm mighty proud of this:

http://img29.echo.cx/img29/7378/smoothowie0pr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
Bet you can guess why. :p

Nope. I don't get it.

It's the most accurate depiction of a guy getting his knob absolutely mauled that I've seen in Pivot. Well duh. :p

[Chassisbot]

Nope. I don't get it.

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

lol mine are pretty bad.

[rocko213]

Here's one I made like back in November or so but I always wanted to post it

so without further to-do:

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/7176/lala.gif

thank you, thank you

[Meatwad]

http://img200.echo.cx/my.php?image=victory1gs.gif

I'm new to pivot.....

Can someone send me some .zips with some more models?

[ro po]

i just joined the forum so i thought id just cum on n say hey2 any1 whos here

[Youlikeyams?]

ro po, I suggest you head to the beginners section, and read the FAQ's. Text speak is not allowed. Act to the rules and you'll get along fine.

Meatwad, here is a .zip with some lovely stick figures. You're getting:
*some car figures
*some PSP figures
*other vehicles including a bicycle and a moped
*a treadmill
*lasso and extension rope
*blood and blobs
*a dalek
*a giant fist
*a 'zoom' figure that makes someone look like they are running fast (used in my PSP launch Pivot (below)

I hope you like them.
Download Here, Courtesy of www.SaveFile.com (http://www.savefile.com/filehost/files.php?fid=9402970)


And that PSP Pivot in full:
http://img43.echo.cx/img43/497/pspday2xj.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)


EDIT: Man falls foul of pickpockets and explodes in anger.

http://img143.echo.cx/img143/691/pickpockets7kl.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Jack Bauer]

Very Nice Yams over 450 pivots and still going strong!

[Youlikeyams?]

Splat.
http://img40.echo.cx/img40/6535/splat3od.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

EDIT: Wallsplat.

http://img117.echo.cx/img117/3962/wallsmash5yb.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

This is a little homage to today's Dr Who episode - the sick cubes...:p
http://img114.echo.cx/img114/334/blechcubes1uq.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Meatwad]

I've made about three animations today, but I still can't get the hang of making the animation smooth like yours....

[wayland jr]

new one from me reccuring jedi pivot:
http://img35.echo.cx/img35/706/jedi5wz.gif

[DarkPieKnight]

Nice Yams! But a little thing I noticed, the cubes were just on screen before they were launched at the guy and the car (which was awesome by the way) didn't fly all the way off te screen.

But awesome pivots!

[thoughtfulpause]

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/9057/motorcyclistemalheureuse5ro.gif (http://www.imageshack.us) So, here comes my second attempt. I began with the intention of giving it a typical ending- looneytoonsesque- (crashing into the cliff), but the decided that visitors to this highly skilled forum deserve better than that. So here it is. This spider seems to have some kind of grudge against mankind. No ideas for a soundtrack yet- any suggestions will be welcome. In slow motion so you can better appreciate the beauty and grace of the movements xx thoughtfulpause

[satan]

I like the ending thoughtfulpause

It's the most accurate depiction of a guy getting his knob absolutely mauled that I've seen in Pivot. Well duh. :p

since we're on the topic...

my new invention

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8791/kickinthecrotch9ju.th.gif (http://img215.echo.cx/my.php?image=kickinthecrotch9ju.gif)

By the way, how do you guys get the high frame speed?

[Orisinal]

http://img121.echo.cx/img121/1935/pivotgfilttelekinesis4su.gif

Meh.

Could be better

[Penguin Pimp]

I give this program a rating of swish.

[Youlikeyams?]

Crush.
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/5428/crush9jp.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[wayland jr]

i love spider pivots so heres my own:
http://www.dohgames.com/myimg/459.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

Smasho.
http://img43.echo.cx/img43/610/smasho8bl.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[DarkPieKnight]

odd...anyways...here's a little Pivot showing you guys my new model...that's right...a new model...kinda short and lags a bit...but oh well.

Pancakes!* (http://img129.echo.cx/my.php?image=infiltrate2ig.gif)

*has nothing to do with the Pivot

[Meatwad]

http://img81.echo.cx/img81/5597/spiderdeath1xt.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

I didn't know if someone made a spider model or not, so I tried my hand at making models.

What I learned from that experience: I need more practice.

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

When you save as gif, make the *shrink frames by* 3 and *frame delay* by 5/6/7.


Me on PSP launch day. :p

http://img24.echo.cx/img24/7567/pspday5xd.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)


Holy crap! how do u make all those animations and stuff. lol i can never make a psp for my life. heres mine. (please dont laugh i have feelings. oh wat the hell llaugh ure ass off)

http://img231.echo.cx/img231/6497/pivot4vb.th.gif (http://img231.echo.cx/my.php?image=pivot4vb.gif)
o man its so choppy. thats wat i get for making an animation and then changing into a gif image

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

http://img100.echo.cx/img100/6700/lol3fm.th.gif (http://img100.echo.cx/my.php?image=lol3fm.gif)

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

haha another one!
http://img134.echo.cx/img134/4189/fight8oz.gif

hey i think im getting good at this! o wait thats just my imagination... :nana:

[caveman650]

Ok, heres bundle of most of my better pivots. Enjoy.

Jump comp. (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/787/smoothnessjumpcontest5fl.gif)

The Noobs are attacking!!! (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/5387/averagedayonmsn7er.gif)

Balerina kick (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/6581/balerinajumpkick5ie.gif)

Versing Comp ( I versed a guy named Musashi..) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/5448/cavemanvrsmusashi6ca.gif)

A jet test (I only used pivot) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/7535/jetflight5ah.gif)

Blob comp. (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4458/blob1wf.gif)

Particle effect (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/3016/particle24ag.gif)

Thrash Blade (A joint between me and Bert) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4153/thrashblade8vx.gif)

Wiggley.... (http://img37.echo.cx/img37/5171/mmmwiggle7xq.gif)

[BooYa2733]

Hi guys! I havn't been here for so long! I've been getting VERY little time to do much on the internet and when I got some free time I decided to check on the pivot forums and see what's happening.

Caveman, those movies are amazing! I've never seen such high quality pivoting before! Those seriously look like some of the stick figure flash animations you see on stickpage or something...do you work with flash?

[Fade Away]

Ok, heres bundle of most of my better pivots. Enjoy.

Jump comp. (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/787/smoothnessjumpcontest5fl.gif)

The Noobs are attacking!!! (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/5387/averagedayonmsn7er.gif)

Balerina kick (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/6581/balerinajumpkick5ie.gif)

Versing Comp ( I versed a guy named Musashi..) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/5448/cavemanvrsmusashi6ca.gif)

A jet test (I only used pivot) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/7535/jetflight5ah.gif)

Blob comp. (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4458/blob1wf.gif)

Particle effect (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/3016/particle24ag.gif)

Thrash Blade (A joint between me and Bert) (http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4153/thrashblade8vx.gif)

Wiggley.... (http://img37.echo.cx/img37/5171/mmmwiggle7xq.gif)


Quoted because these are seriously awesome.

[caveman650]

Thank's guy's, ya I use flash a tad bit....but Pivot is my true love. Also, my animations are nothing compared to liquids, and berts. Please dont flatter me like that :eng101: .

EDIT: Also, do you guys like meh new sig?

[Youlikeyams?]

Cool - you're threatening yourself :p


There will be a Pivot from me later

[Jack Bauer]

WARNING - May Contain One or two Star Wars Episode 3 Spoilers

[Youlikeyams?]

we didn't need that, and everyone knows anyway. :mad:

In my constant quest for physics-perfect Pivots, I present 'Man Trips Up On Stone And Lands In What I Think Is An Accurate Representation of Physics'

http://img128.echo.cx/img128/5569/tripup1uu.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

thats pretty good but when you trip over something you try to stabilize ureself by TRYING to step forward with one leg. but overall yea those r pretty realistic. Then again i shouldnt be talking cuz my pivots suck. heres another1 i like to call- A guy calling another guy a noob and paying for it dearly.

Enjoy. (if its possible).
http://img63.echo.cx/img63/8076/noob0jg.gif

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

damn thats fast!

EDIT: im glad you like my username :)

[thoughtfulpause]

http://img42.echo.cx/img42/7008/dragonfalling6nx.gif (http://[URL=http://www.imageshack.us)
So here's number 3 (no spiders this time, great though the temptation was). After earlier reviews, it has been claimed that the story is unclear. A passerby made so bold a statement as I record here. "Ermmm....very....interesting, but how are the two events related?" he queried upon being shown the latest creation. "Use your initiative man! Can you not see- the story is blatantly obvious to all who have ever read a fairytale! Meh!", I retorted. So, the reviewer tried using his initiative, but to no avail: "Still don't get it". Though I myself feel that it was merely his position as an aged and imperceptive old man that prevented him from linking the events, I wouldn't want to discriminate against the older viewer.
So, in essence, the man being dropped from the sky has (obviously) been dropped by the dragon, in a manner inspired by a certain Darkness video. Whether it is the same dragon dropping people each time I do not know. Maybe there is a dragon with a lair full of hapless humans. Maybe he suffers under the illusion that if he drops them from a great enough height, their shells will crack. Who can say? But anyway, for your viewing pleasure, I give you "<insert title here>". Drumroll please.
give me praise, xx thoughtfulpause
p.s. V. much in impressed by the pivots from a certain caveman650, and yams too (though I think adoormadeofpoop has a point about trying to prevent yourself from falling by flapping your arms etc. Unless he is immune to pain, and therefore has no reason to do so. This is always possible. If the stickman is immune to pain, I apologise profusely for ever doubting your talents. Otherwise, I think flailing is needed.)

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

check it out-i can make swords!!!!!!!http://img36.echo.cx/img36/3478/swordgunblastheend6ep.gif
god dammit its fast!

[stalefish]

Lol, my best pivot so far.

Still pretty bad in my opinion. Then again, you are your own worst critic.

[Chassisbot]

Good. Keep at it.

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

definetly not one of my best. But I still think it's funny. I call it " An excellent fighter whose dancing skills aren't even half the equivalent. and i don't care about capitalization."
http://img253.echo.cx/img253/2029/funnyshit3qa.gif

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

THis is a thank you pivot to youlikeyams? for the awesome pivot models he made and let others (like me) download. You can find them on page 176. YOU ROCK! :rawk: http://img14.echo.cx/img14/294/iloveyams2my.gif

[GungHo]

Here's (http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/GungHo/old%20project.piv) a really old unfinished Pivot that I'll probably never finish.
Looking back at it, it's pretty good, and I'd finish it, but my Pivot skills have diminished.
And I've got the Pivot (http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/GungHo/Dance%20thingy.piv) to prove it. (Note: That one's unfinished too. I'm such a lazy arse.)

But yeah, I just wanted to show you this oldie.

[Chassisbot]

Save as -> GIF

[GungHo]

I know, but the speed gets all blorked up, and it really destroys the quality of the Pivot.

[Chassisbot]

What speed is it designed to run at? top, bottom, or middle of bar?

[DarkPieKnight]

GungHo, that pivot fight was amazing...simply amazing.

[GungHo]

Heh. ^_^

And just keep the speed at the level it's at when it starts.

/Edit: Oh, and working with hands/fingers in the dancing pivot was really fun, and looked good. I recommend it to everyone who's animating in Pivot.
Here, have a .stk of the dancing guy, just in case your fingers don't turn out right. He can be edited to exclude the shoulder thingys and the feet, if you like.
Dancer man (http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/GungHo/Dance-O-matic.stk)

[Chassisbot]

Try using frame delay 6 for your pivots when saving to GIF.

[GungHo]

K. I think I'll start making Pivots again, to freshen up my old skills. Or non-skills, whichever preferred.
And thanks for the advice, the speed-meter is a bugger to use correctly. :)

[Youlikeyams?]

Feel the Force? No, me neither, but here's a Star Wars Pivot anyway.

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/5996/starwars19wc.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[satan]

since we're on the topic

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/6070/sfgs1rb.gif

inspired by this :) :) :)

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/4302/newbitmapimage0xh.png

[wayland jr]

what "youlikeyams?" has not made this weeks doctor who pivot within 6 seconds after the episodes end! how can this be?

[Youlikeyams?]

Could this be anymore unexpected?

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/3278/buttkick5df.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

I think it's my best walking yet.

[Meatball]

Jealous Band Member
by bean9044


[56k can go f**k itself}


http://img42.echo.cx/img42/5904/rockband9av.th.gif (http://img42.echo.cx/my.php?image=rockband9av.gif)

[Brother jam Bob]

My first attempt at pivot, Dr. Who style.


http://img57.echo.cx/img57/3886/thedarlecxs3po.gif


Feedback welcomed

[Youlikeyams?]

I can see you like my models. :)

[/Zlash/]

Indeed, with the avatar I even thought it was yams's pivot when he has clearly posted several before. Maybe a bit more originality next time Brother jam bob ¬_¬ other than that its fine, mostly very smooth but there is one little mistake. When the dalek is falling the blue thing under him when he flies is still there but it is whit so when he falls it passes in front of him so bits of him turn white. Just a small fault but I thought I should point it out. Hope to see another one soon!

[satan]

http://img152.echo.cx/img152/4092/ctrl8hf.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

Never try to climb a Yam.
http://img257.echo.cx/img257/4626/climbingme0mx.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Panabear™]

[img=http://img11.echo.cx/img11/221/pivprac26bo.th.gif] (http://img11.echo.cx/my.php?image=pivprac26bo.gif)

First try

[Chassisbot]

Not bad.

Not bad at all.

[caveman650]

Yam, and everyone in general, your animations are good, but your walking need's improvements. Study these frames to learn how to do it good. :eng101:

Clickith for thy piv. (http://thefilebin.com/userfiles/caveman650/Walking.piv)

Clickith for thy gif. (http://img174.echo.cx/img174/1783/walking3on.gif)

[satan]

In another random note,

http://img279.echo.cx/img279/9025/halfsize6ty.gif

I originaly made it in full screen, but the file size was way too big...

[Chassisbot]

All your walking are belong to Chassis.

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/1776/mewalking0fa.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[caveman650]

Good, cept you forgot about the arms....lol.

[Fade Away]

BREAKING NEWS!

Good, cept you forgot about the arms....lol.

HA!

CHASSIS HAS BEEN PWNED!!!

[Panabear™]

http://img265.echo.cx/img265/5392/pivprac32xy.th.gif (http://img265.echo.cx/my.php?image=pivprac32xy.gif)

And another

[Chassisbot]

BREAKING NEWS!



HA!

CHASIS HAS BEEN PWNED!!!

I am pwned by nothing and noone.

[White Tiger]

My first pivot, just two guys sorta fighting.
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/1063/firstpivot9ag.th.gif (http://img267.echo.cx/my.php?image=firstpivot9ag.gif)
I don't know why i made the second guy red i just did.
[Edit]My second, i like making these, its art i can do.
http://img38.echo.cx/img38/2884/pivotfalling1wt.th.gif (http://img38.echo.cx/my.php?image=pivotfalling1wt.gif)
[Edit2]Since no one is posting and i made another one, here is another one of mine.
http://img28.echo.cx/img28/121/fight4kw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
Its my favorite one of the lot.

[Flamable Brick]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/BlackVolgan/brick/DOG.gif

the dog part IV

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/BlackVolgan/brick/giant.gif

little men kill big guy part II

[Flamable Brick]

oops double f***ing post

my bad

[Youlikeyams?]

Spidey spider spidey spiderman.

http://img56.echo.cx/img56/7840/spideyspider1en.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[White Tiger]

Star wars 1.
http://img47.echo.cx/img47/44/starwars11vw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
Star wars 2.
http://img47.echo.cx/img47/3874/starwars22df.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
I hope you enjoy watching them as much as i enjoyed making them.

[edit] Here is another one i made 'Busted'
http://img184.echo.cx/img184/8866/busted0tr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)
Busted die, YAYAYAYAYAY

[rocko213]

A lightsaber battle that was really going nowhere, and it got boring


http://img90.echo.cx/img90/3871/lightsaber9hw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

Dance dood.
http://img289.echo.cx/img289/214/dancedue6pa.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[/Zlash/]

Its been a while since I posted a pivot here, but I'm back. Quite proud of this one myself. Remember kids, never ski too fast:
http://img193.echo.cx/img193/9504/skier19ai.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

(you might hit a tree)
Comments?

[Youlikeyams?]

OWNED.

http://img254.echo.cx/img254/7067/headspike7hx.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rocko213]

Why did his brain jump up and down?

[Youlikeyams?]

brain = bounce.

[Chassisbot]

You know this to be true.

[HomeStarRunner]

Why is the program not on my computer when I download it? I tried twice.

[Youlikeyams?]

Did you click on the program to unzip/install it?
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/stickfigure.html - download the file from there, and open it. It should be an installer, either on its own or in a .zip file. Run the installer and the program will take it from there.


EDIT: Gore.

http://img183.echo.cx/img183/5317/worstgore26vm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

http://img109.echo.cx/img109/5824/smasho28ds.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

OMFG PSP
http://img72.echo.cx/img72/2694/psp21ml.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

Can anyone dodge a stone-throwing? HELL NO!

http://img119.echo.cx/img119/8697/stones6xe.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rocko213]

http://img298.echo.cx/img298/7024/showoff3zn.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

something that started out cool, it's basically soe dude showing off. I was going to work on it a little bit more, but it looks good as it is now

[Youlikeyams?]

OMG 404ed!
I can't see it, sorry.

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

DEATH BY BALLS IN FACE
http://img58.echo.cx/img58/8307/bloodywalrus5kk.gif

ok, so at first some blood squirts out of his head for no apparent reason. He hasn't had enough though! The poor man gets up and gets hit with a series of balls in the face. And meets his wonderful fate.

[RobW]

I can say 'Ouch' at the least.

[Taekwon-joe]

here is my second atempt (im too ashamed to show the first one what was i thinking)

Its a stupid assassin
http://img80.echo.cx/img80/6342/assassin3kz.th.gif (http://img80.echo.cx/my.php?image=assassin3kz.gif)
Clicky and enjoy

[White Tiger]

Here is my latest work, lucky people because i'm going to post this on pivot forum after this post so you lot are lucky :).
http://www.imagehigh.com/view.php?image_id=407443
Another lightsaber fight but it is long, to big for imageshack so trying imagehigh.

[Youlikeyams?]

Ouchichi.

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/6098/ouch7lr.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

my first attempt at a sam fisher pivot (when everything changes color-thats his heat vision...but i guess its pretty obvious.)

http://img241.echo.cx/img241/9199/samfisherbitches0yj.gif

EDIT: can someone help me on how to make this bullshit slow down!

[Czar]

So, I showed this program to my younger brother. He seems to be better at it than I am. Here are two of his masterpieces.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Glassmark/PoonAvatar.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Glassmark/Rewind.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

my first attempt at a sam fisher pivot (when everything changes color-thats his heat vision...but i guess its pretty obvious.)

http://img241.echo.cx/img241/9199/samfisherbitches0yj.gif

EDIT: can someone help me on how to make this bullshit slow down!

That's not bad, and it didnt speed up too much for me! ^^

[Chassisbot]

My advice, have the background yellow with dark grey edges. When he switches to heat-vision, get any component, whack the size up to several thousand so it fills the screen. Send it to back and make it dark blue.

[White Tiger]

Yoda fight.
For yoda fans who like him to kick butt.
http://img227.echo.cx/img227/9474/yodafight9vw.th.gif (http://img227.echo.cx/my.php?image=yodafight9vw.gif)

[Chassisbot]

Sorry to upstage you, adoormadeofpoop, but I'm working on a rework of your recent Fisher pivot. The aim: to show you how to do it properly. I hope it helps.

Finished! I've always been a big believer in backgrounds. This one was made in paint and retouched in photfiltre.

http://img197.echo.cx/img197/4378/sf14sz.gif

[Lew]

anti-ailiase? or just bodged. nice work guys, i'll probably start having a go soonish.

[Chassisbot]

It's only photofiltre, the second-worst graphics package EVER.

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

well excuse me mr. phtofiltre, but we don't all have the...ummm...stuff to...errr...well I tried my best...KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! :eng101:


I didn't really try my best i did it in about 20 minutes

[thoughtfulpause]

http://img195.echo.cx/img195/5725/fasterfr7kp.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

I don't know if anyone's done this already. If not, it's well overdue. First he appeared on my television,
then he worked his way on to phones across the country. I could deal with that, but then he went on
the radio, and the other day I opened my hotmail account only to be shocked and horrified (and deafened)
by his grinning self attempting to get me to buy ringtones from him.
There are boundaries. He has crossed them.

[Taekwon-joe]

just a quicky. I was just trying to see if i could make a stick dude pull of a cool looking arial (for those of you who dont know an arial is like a cartwheel without hands but requires alot more leg movement.)
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5284/arialflip0la.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[pietastic_saz]

http://tinypic.com/5wgvw5 - pretty good seeing as its my first thing i made. its really fun!

[Youlikeyams?]

I haven't posted a Pivot in a while, so here's a new one - which took me ages. :p

http://img37.echo.cx/img37/3508/wowacrobatics2cx.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Taekwon-joe]

Just joined pivot forums and made new thread with the few things ive done. Check it out here (http://s8.invisionfree.com/Pivot_Forum/index.php?showtopic=462)
It also has my latest one that i spent ages on last night.

[Youlikeyams?]

I've just spent a good while on this, its my longest at 360 frames exactly, and involves a trampoline that's very stiff. Enjoy.

http://img280.echo.cx/img280/2131/trampoline5yj.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[nickspoon]

Stick man vandalises Weebl and Bob!

It's a biggie - 2.5 MB. (56k beware)

It's here (http://www.PhotoServer.us/is.php?i=21189&img=weeblbob.gif).

It's a bit jerky first time, but second time it works fine.

[Furnie]

This is an old one I made when I first got Pivot: A man teleporting about

http://img289.echo.cx/img289/6193/telleport1mc.gif

And this is one I made recently: A man after teleporting about
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/3125/sick8zw.gif

[ADoorMadeOfPoop]

http://img126.echo.cx/img126/1378/bodypile4zr.gif

BODYPILE!!!

http://img102.echo.cx/img102/6883/getkrunk3lp.gif

SOMETHING!

[Youlikeyams?]

WEEEEEEEEEEEE!
http://img281.echo.cx/img281/8403/owiehit4tm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[pietastic_saz]

http://tinypic.com/5xkiv9 - I was bored so I did this little number. The red guy is very very cool

[Zatoichi]

i made a pivot but dont know how to post it, how do i do it?

edit*
ah thanks!

http://img158.echo.cx/img158/8199/manfight5hf.gif

[Chassisbot]

Save it as .gif format. Use www.imageshack.ws to host. Post here.

[Taekwon-joe]

Its new and its a footie one. WoooooH!

http://img55.echo.cx/img55/2361/football4fr.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

A new anti-security device was tested on Death Row criminals to great effect.

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/5803/securitydevice5ml.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

Wall Smasho!
http://img260.echo.cx/img260/2884/squishwall6gm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Jack Bauer]

A new anti-security device was tested on Death Row criminals to great effect.

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/5803/securitydevice5ml.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

A new anti-security device? Anti security?

[Thijsie]

I call this one: Superman!
http://haenen.nl.eu.org/superman.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

Superman don't use no hook. :p


A very useful moral is carried in this Pivot.
http://img162.echo.cx/img162/7636/nails9uf.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Wizard]

Heh, youlikeyams, great animations.
I especially like the upper body elephant at the bottom of page one.
Awsome job guys!

[Wishbone]

THAT'S GOTTA HURT.
My first pivot posted
http://www.freewebs.com/melonmonkey/Ouch.gif

[Youlikeyams?]

Sorry...it doesn't work... :(

404ed...
Try uploading it again - i recommend www.imageshack.ws


MACHINE GUNNED DOWN! GRAGGH!
http://img152.echo.cx/img152/5293/machinegunned4sw.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[rocko213]

yams, why do you keep getting 404'd??

i can see them perfectly, i think there's something wrong with your computer

EVIL CAR

http://img18.echo.cx/img18/5746/shootcar1xa.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Shave]

wow. it's been a looooooooooooooong time since i've been here. just to let me know that my relationship with pivot isn't dead here's something about barflies:

http://img169.echo.cx/img169/336/boozer1ly.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Youlikeyams?]

Hehehe, nice one shane!

EDIT:

RANDOM.
http://img17.echo.cx/img17/731/wtf8uc.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Wizard]

Cool... IlikeYams does it again. His own's.

Shane, yours is funny also... Crazy Drunks.

:)

[Youlikeyams?]

And this is my smoothest, besterest Pivot ever, in my opinion. What do you think? (BEST VIEWED IN FIREFOX)

http://img35.echo.cx/img35/5950/incredifight1jx.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Or, download the .piv below and put the speed timer up a bit, to about 2/3 up the meter (like the normal speed is halfway up the meter).

Here (http://www.savefile.com/filehost/files3.php?fid=5105602)


I just love the way I made him twirl the spear before throwing it javelin-style at his opponent's head :D

[rocko213]

yams, if god made pivots, it would only be .08 times better than yours. Also he'd create them in a time we cant even calculate, but still.

and the thing I noticed the most (besides the awesome ness of the twirling spear) was how the guy jumped and turned in the beginning. It was soo smooth. How long did it take you to make that?

[Lew]

i say we have a pivot competition? to see who the best is? anyone interested?

[rocko213]

not really, yams would win without a doubt. And this thread isnt about who can make the best pivot. Its about showing our pivots. Sharing our skills with others to make art. yadda yadda yadda

[Shave]

on the pivot forum (http://s8.invisionfree.com/Pivot_Forum/index.php?act=idx) there have been a few minor comps, and tbh i'd have to say that son-sketched would win hands down. no offense yams cause yours are brilliant but you've seen his work. for those who haven't look for his thread on the pivot forums