Leeds Demise - weebls-stuff forums

AngryPaul · 03-05-2004, 06:55 PM

So, Leeds United are basically down and out. Next stop: Nationwide Divison 1

But where did it all go wrong. It was 2 years to the day yesterday that Leeds were in the Champions League semi-finals.

Was it O'Leary? Was it the players? Or do you blame the chairman: Peter Risdale?

*To any Leeds fans, as a United fan, I actually wanted you to stay up

*

*streety* · 03-05-2004, 07:04 PM

We were chatting about this down the pub last night.
Personally I think it is down to Risdale. Shouldn't have sold their key players and got rid of O'Leary.
I also blame Viduka, stupid dismissals recently. What a tw*t!!!

I don't know why some people blame O'Leary. He wanted more money and his key plaers not to be sold so they sacked him. Shocking!!

Cap'n Zola · 03-05-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Streety
I also blame Viduka, stupid dismissals recently. What a tw*t!!!

Ahh...see, up here in Scotland, we're smart. Celtic had him and got rid of him as soon as they could!

I don't think it's players fault, I think it is down to Risdale, it's a real shame too, to see a club that was so great only a couple years ago. They're just not the sorta club that gets relegated!

Come on Chelsea btw!

dogincognito · 03-05-2004, 07:22 PM

Ridsdale. Hes responible for the terrible finances, he spet money they didnt have so when they didnt get Champions Laegue places, they were screwed

*Dr S* · 03-05-2004, 07:28 PM

my beloved leeds
I don't really know what went wrong, Risdale gave O'Leary money to be a champion leauge team, when we didn't make it and suffered aload of injuries we where strugelling and in debt, off pitch troubles both in court and financially didn't help.
Risdale had always been a fans fovorite so you knew somthing was wrong when we all turned agaisnt him, so he sacks O'Leary partially cos of the book (which was stupid ... it was a rubbish book aswell) and partially cos he could I recon he felt he needed to show peoplehe was the boss. Then we get Venables who not only doesn't win but sells all our players (people like Woodgate and Keane should never of left, yet we still have Harte and Kelly) and replaces them with players like Barmby.
Things go really wrong so once again Venables goes and Reid comes in, and it looks like hes sorting us out (got the loans in but they never did anygood apart from Penant) However this season when we go back to not winning bye bye Mr Reid (oh and Risdale has alos left) then Grey comes in and gets us into a decent side ... who lose alot and has a really dodgy defence.

I blame the champion league pressure and it spiraled out from there

dogincognito · 03-05-2004, 07:32 PM

But the Champions League pressure was a result of Peter Ridsdale giving O'Leary more money then you had.

PJ · 03-05-2004, 07:55 PM

im happy those twats went down cos:
1. city are staying up
2. alan smith is a diving prick
2. viduka could go to city (please)

AngryPaul · 03-05-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by Peej
im happy those twats went down cos:
1. city are staying up
2. alan smith is a diving prick
2. viduka could go to city (please)

Are you a Man City fan?

*Dr S* · 03-05-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by dogincognito
But the Champions League pressure was a result of Peter Ridsdale giving O'Leary more money then you had.

I'd say it was a chciken and egg kinda situation

and Peej

u can have Viduka

AngryPaul · 03-05-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Dr S
u can have Viduka

I can see him doing a Pierre van Hoojdonk and buggering off as soon as the start of the season comes. Hopefully they will sell him before that happpens to some crap team.

*Another ex-Celtic player - A pattern maybe?*

PJ · 03-05-2004, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr S
I'd say it was a chciken and egg kinda situation

and Peej

u can have Viduka

thanks

Quote:

Are you a Man City fan?

yes

i-am-the-eggman · 04-05-2004, 01:51 AM

Ridsdales to blame - one of the drawbacks of having a passionate fan as a chairman, he can easily become blinded by the bright lights of success and splash out money he doesnt have.

A well run club would only make money available that they actually have to spend, not money that they might get from spending the money.

Dont think you can really blame o'leary because he bought the players as he shouldnt have been given the money in the first place - when he first went to villa a lot of us blues supporters thought "ah he wont do that well, he wont have money to burn" but well done to oleary for losing that stigma.

Its a sad state of affairs hes got you into, and by the sounds of it man city arent too far off (60mill+ debt?)

it couldve been a whole lot worse had the FA not let you off on several accounts.

AngryPaul · 04-05-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by i-am-the-eggman
Ridsdales to blame - one of the drawbacks of having a passionate fan as a chairman.

I know - It is a shame as well because they were an exciting team with plenty of potential, but a little failure affected morale i believe. Mind you, needlessly sacking O'Leary and then selling LOADS of players was a bit worse

It is a real shame at the amount of players that will leave for pittence and no-where near their value (IE: Paul Robinson = £2m, Ian Harte, £500k)

PJ · 04-05-2004, 03:22 PM

id say the players as they are not doing the work there payed to do so i cant bring myself to blame the manager or chairman

AngryPaul · 04-05-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Peej
id say the players as they are not doing the work there payed to do so i cant bring myself to blame the manager or chairman

He has got a point that it is players who lost the games not the board, but outside influences can be much more powerful than you first think.

View Poll Results: Who Is To Blame For Leeds' Demise?
Peter Risdale	18	64.29%
David O'Leary	2	7.14%
Terry Venebles/Peter Reid/Etc	2	7.14%
The Players	4	14.29%
The Pressure To Get A Champions Leauge Place	2	7.14%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

03-05-2004, 06:55 PM	#1
AngryPaul Dude, I'm getting married Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brizzle Posts: 11,307	Leeds Demise So, Leeds United are basically down and out. Next stop: Nationwide Divison 1 But where did it all go wrong. It was 2 years to the day yesterday that Leeds were in the Champions League semi-finals. Was it O'Leary? Was it the players? Or do you blame the chairman: Peter Risdale? To any Leeds fans, as a United fan, I actually wanted you to stay up __________________ dinnerordie: "the thought of being able to wipe my arse on a penguin fills me with glee" i did the bristol half marathon! still give your dosh though. Last edited by AngryPaul; 03-05-2004 at 06:59 PM..

03-05-2004, 07:22 PM	#4
dogincognito Human after all Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: tatty seaside town Posts: 3,041	Ridsdale. Hes responible for the terrible finances, he spet money they didnt have so when they didnt get Champions Laegue places, they were screwed __________________

03-05-2004, 07:28 PM	#5
Dr S 'sup Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Yorkshire \o/ Posts: 3,138	my beloved leeds I don't really know what went wrong, Risdale gave O'Leary money to be a champion leauge team, when we didn't make it and suffered aload of injuries we where strugelling and in debt, off pitch troubles both in court and financially didn't help. Risdale had always been a fans fovorite so you knew somthing was wrong when we all turned agaisnt him, so he sacks O'Leary partially cos of the book (which was stupid ... it was a rubbish book aswell) and partially cos he could I recon he felt he needed to show peoplehe was the boss. Then we get Venables who not only doesn't win but sells all our players (people like Woodgate and Keane should never of left, yet we still have Harte and Kelly) and replaces them with players like Barmby. Things go really wrong so once again Venables goes and Reid comes in, and it looks like hes sorting us out (got the loans in but they never did anygood apart from Penant) However this season when we go back to not winning bye bye Mr Reid (oh and Risdale has alos left) then Grey comes in and gets us into a decent side ... who lose alot and has a really dodgy defence. I blame the champion league pressure and it spiraled out from there __________________ insert signature here

03-05-2004, 07:32 PM	#6
dogincognito Human after all Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: tatty seaside town Posts: 3,041	But the Champions League pressure was a result of Peter Ridsdale giving O'Leary more money then you had. __________________

03-05-2004, 07:04 PM	#2
streety www.twitter.com/streety_ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,542	We were chatting about this down the pub last night. Personally I think it is down to Risdale. Shouldn't have sold their key players and got rid of O'Leary. I also blame Viduka, stupid dismissals recently. What a tw*t!!! I don't know why some people blame O'Leary. He wanted more money and his key plaers not to be sold so they sacked him. Shocking!!

03-05-2004, 07:55 PM	#7
PJ Auto Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yer maa Posts: 2,848	im happy those twats went down cos: 1. city are staying up 2. alan smith is a diving prick 2. viduka could go to city (please)

04-05-2004, 01:51 AM	#12
i-am-the-eggman mini-pie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 145	Ridsdales to blame - one of the drawbacks of having a passionate fan as a chairman, he can easily become blinded by the bright lights of success and splash out money he doesnt have. A well run club would only make money available that they actually have to spend, not money that they might get from spending the money. Dont think you can really blame o'leary because he bought the players as he shouldnt have been given the money in the first place - when he first went to villa a lot of us blues supporters thought "ah he wont do that well, he wont have money to burn" but well done to oleary for losing that stigma. Its a sad state of affairs hes got you into, and by the sounds of it man city arent too far off (60mill+ debt?) it couldve been a whole lot worse had the FA not let you off on several accounts. __________________ This week i ave been mostly: Staying up at unearthly hours creating comic sketches and shirt animations for uni

04-05-2004, 03:22 PM	#14
PJ Auto Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yer maa Posts: 2,848	id say the players as they are not doing the work there payed to do so i cant bring myself to blame the manager or chairman