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*jonffm* · 06-05-2004, 03:12 PM

Who's heard about the new rules being applied to F1 racing? For those who haven't...

From BBC.com...

The Formula One teams have agreed to sweeping changes that will dramatically change the future face of Grand Prix racing, according to the sport's boss.
FI president Max Mosley said the teams were in almost complete agreement over the "revolutionary proposals".

One of those proposals includes using a single tyre manufacturer and smaller engines, by 2006, Mosley said.

He also believes the meeting had ended any threat of the carmakers setting up their own championship in 2008.

However, a senior F1 insider cast doubt on Mosley's positive assesment of the meeting, saying it was little more than a discussion group.

"An agreement was reached in principle but, as ever, the devil is in the detail."

It is also believed that a new qualifying system may be introduced by the end of the season.

Team bosses expressed their satisfaction after leaving the meeting.

"I was enormously pleased," said Eddie Jordan, whose team has struggled to compete against better financed rivals.

The changes may also have much to do with Michael Schumacher's continued domination of F1 - the German, in the Ferrari, has won the drivers championship for the last four years and the first four races of this season.

The introduction of a single tyre manufacturer and smaller engines are measures designed to allow all teams to compete on an equal level and increase competitiveness.

Mosley said engine manufacturers were spending as much as £1bn a year on 14 of the 20 cars that currently race - an amount that he said was not sustainable.

He said there was a wide measure of agreement to reduce engine costs by 50%.

Other measures including technical changes to the cars were also agreed to, he said.

Mosley said commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone had agreed to increase revenue payments to teams in line with what had previously been agreed with the GPWC group of carmakers before talks between the two sides broke down this month.

"Everything the GPWC set out to get, they have got," Mosley said. "Their raison d'etre has disappeared."

Agree with it? F1 seniors gone too far? Should the same thing happen to other sports?

PJ · 06-05-2004, 03:58 PM

no and im not that intrested in f1 racing maybe nascar and rallys

*seaempty* · 06-05-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Peej
no and im not that intrested in f1 racing maybe nascar and rallys

Then why bother posting?

I think that it's good that they are trying to level out the playing field, but I don't think that the measures will have that much of an impact. The bigger teams will always have the advantage on the little teams. Reducing the costs is a start however.

The only really way to make F1 "fair" is if there was only one engine, one car design, etc but that's just ridiculous.

Cap'n Zola · 06-05-2004, 04:34 PM

Yeah, I think trying to level things out is the way to go because I'll barely watch Grand Prix's now because it's just not that competitive now! It's all about Ferari's engine. That's it. They win.
Good move by the seniors, methinks!

*jonffm* · 06-05-2004, 05:10 PM

I think its great. Finally a sporting body has the guts to get in and make solid changes to make sport fairer and more exciting. Its worked for me, because I haven't watched F1 in years..not since the Damon Hill years, but I'll start watching again when they start these rules.

*Dr S* · 07-05-2004, 03:57 PM

it will mean that the drivers will have to ... learn how to drive their cars.
Making it a much fairer and in my opinion better sport.

I can't wait

*Dr_nwa* · 07-05-2004, 05:20 PM

While a bit drunk last week, we came up with a suggestion for F1. for the first half of the season, as normal. then when there are half of the races left to go, swap the best drivers with the worst drivers. so, for example, Michael Shumacher would be driving a minardi. give them 4 weeks to sort out the ergonomics of each car and then race for the second half of the season!

Okay, maybe its not such a good idea. but it would show who the best drivers actually are. If Schumacher could win in a minardi as well as a ferrari, he must be a damm good driver...

i-am-the-eggman · 07-05-2004, 05:33 PM

I agree with the changes but if anything its gonna make schumacher EVEN BETTER since he is one of the few drivers still in there from the old school that learnt to drive without all the computer techy stuff - the man is truly a racing legend, even if i still havent forgiven him for writing of hill when he was gonna win the title

I like F1 but prefer british touring cars myself as its more intense racing with more room for contact without writing the car off.

Thoroughly pleased F1 is going back to driving rather than the scalextric game it was going towards.

Mystical Parrot · 07-05-2004, 06:57 PM

i like f1, its a good way to waste a sunday afternoon, hopefully the changes will make it fairer, the changes last season made it pretty close to at the end but to be honest if the last set didnt stop him maybe new ones wont also.

still the changes would be nice and a welcome addition to last seasons changes.

1 lap qualifier is great

i-am-the-eggman · 07-05-2004, 07:00 PM

maybe they should make schumacher drive around in a vauxhall nova, that might make him a bit less competitive

astral · 10-05-2004, 12:57 PM

Sorry for the bump, but I've only just spotted this thread...

I'm a huge F1 fan, and I hate the idea of these new rules. Don't forget that the reason F1 is so screwed up at the moment is because of the safety measures that Max Mosely put in place after Senna's death in 1994. Mosely is the one responsible for F1's current mess. All he has to do is reverse the rules by five or six years to take the sport back to greatness - remember the Schumacher v Hakkinen battles of 1998 and 1999? Those were the days... *reminisces*

But no, instead of reversing the current rules that make F1 artificially competitive, he's introducing more artificial rules that try and cancel each other out. I hate it.

They're trying to reduce costs and "level the playing field". THIS IS FORMULA ONE, not bloody karting!! It's csupposed to be cutting-edge technology, it's supposed to be expensive! By reducing the cost of things will not mean the teams spend less, because they'll always spend every penny they have trying to make the cars faster. The only way to curb costs is to introduce a limit on the team's budgets, but of course the FIA never listen to the fans. </rant>

*jonffm* · 10-05-2004, 01:02 PM

I think it'll make it more intresting to watch, and put the pressure on the driver rather than the car.
At the moment, whoever is driving the ferrari is nearly sure to win. Its the reason I don't watch F1 anymore. I'll see what its like when the rules are changed though...

astral · 10-05-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by JonnyFFmaster
I think it'll make it more intresting to watch, and put the pressure on the driver rather than the car.

That's true, but there's a lot of other series where the cars have been slowed down to put the emphasis on drivers instead of the sars. F1 is the only series in the worls where the teams build their own cars from scratch instead of buying them and tuning them, so it makes no sense to slow the cars down.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the FIA introduced a one-make series for F1 in the near future...

SWE · 10-05-2004, 01:42 PM

I think it's a good idea. My dad will probably love it. He likes F1.

Mystical Parrot · 10-05-2004, 02:04 PM

1 car idea is bad for f1, it would totally ruin the sport as the whole idea is you support a manufacturer, if all the cars were made the same it would just become another racing thingy (i dunno what to call it) that few people will watch

ive only been watching f1 for the past 2/3 years, so i cant comment on what it was like before the changes

but still micheal schumacher is a great driver who can drive well without a car working to its peak, just like he did on sunday with the broken exaust

06-05-2004, 03:12 PM	#1
jonffm SHUT UP, WESLEY! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Poole Posts: 4,905 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 249^th	The F1 revolution Who's heard about the new rules being applied to F1 racing? For those who haven't... From BBC.com... The Formula One teams have agreed to sweeping changes that will dramatically change the future face of Grand Prix racing, according to the sport's boss. FI president Max Mosley said the teams were in almost complete agreement over the "revolutionary proposals". One of those proposals includes using a single tyre manufacturer and smaller engines, by 2006, Mosley said. He also believes the meeting had ended any threat of the carmakers setting up their own championship in 2008. However, a senior F1 insider cast doubt on Mosley's positive assesment of the meeting, saying it was little more than a discussion group. "An agreement was reached in principle but, as ever, the devil is in the detail." It is also believed that a new qualifying system may be introduced by the end of the season. Team bosses expressed their satisfaction after leaving the meeting. "I was enormously pleased," said Eddie Jordan, whose team has struggled to compete against better financed rivals. The changes may also have much to do with Michael Schumacher's continued domination of F1 - the German, in the Ferrari, has won the drivers championship for the last four years and the first four races of this season. The introduction of a single tyre manufacturer and smaller engines are measures designed to allow all teams to compete on an equal level and increase competitiveness. Mosley said engine manufacturers were spending as much as £1bn a year on 14 of the 20 cars that currently race - an amount that he said was not sustainable. He said there was a wide measure of agreement to reduce engine costs by 50%. Other measures including technical changes to the cars were also agreed to, he said. Mosley said commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone had agreed to increase revenue payments to teams in line with what had previously been agreed with the GPWC group of carmakers before talks between the two sides broke down this month. "Everything the GPWC set out to get, they have got," Mosley said. "Their raison d'etre has disappeared." Agree with it? F1 seniors gone too far? Should the same thing happen to other sports? __________________ Click me for Torres' Top 20 'Pool Goals. STTRRIKKEERR!

06-05-2004, 04:34 PM	#4
Cap'n Zola Got some pie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pirate Ship... Aberdeen. Posts: 4,413	Yeah, I think trying to level things out is the way to go because I'll barely watch Grand Prix's now because it's just not that competitive now! It's all about Ferari's engine. That's it. They win. Good move by the seniors, methinks! __________________

06-05-2004, 05:10 PM	#5
jonffm SHUT UP, WESLEY! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Poole Posts: 4,905 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 249^th	I think its great. Finally a sporting body has the guts to get in and make solid changes to make sport fairer and more exciting. Its worked for me, because I haven't watched F1 in years..not since the Damon Hill years, but I'll start watching again when they start these rules. __________________ Click me for Torres' Top 20 'Pool Goals. STTRRIKKEERR!

07-05-2004, 03:57 PM	#6
Dr S 'sup Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Yorkshire \o/ Posts: 3,138	it will mean that the drivers will have to ... learn how to drive their cars. Making it a much fairer and in my opinion better sport. I can't wait __________________ insert signature here

07-05-2004, 05:20 PM	#7
Dr_nwa loves otters Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: hipster headquarters Posts: 2,377	While a bit drunk last week, we came up with a suggestion for F1. for the first half of the season, as normal. then when there are half of the races left to go, swap the best drivers with the worst drivers. so, for example, Michael Shumacher would be driving a minardi. give them 4 weeks to sort out the ergonomics of each car and then race for the second half of the season! Okay, maybe its not such a good idea. but it would show who the best drivers actually are. If Schumacher could win in a minardi as well as a ferrari, he must be a damm good driver... __________________ doin dat stanky legg 4 SWE and ray my posting bros pour out a 40 for my homies

06-05-2004, 03:58 PM	#2
PJ Auto Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yer maa Posts: 2,848	no and im not that intrested in f1 racing maybe nascar and rallys

07-05-2004, 05:33 PM	#8
i-am-the-eggman mini-pie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 145	I agree with the changes but if anything its gonna make schumacher EVEN BETTER since he is one of the few drivers still in there from the old school that learnt to drive without all the computer techy stuff - the man is truly a racing legend, even if i still havent forgiven him for writing of hill when he was gonna win the title I like F1 but prefer british touring cars myself as its more intense racing with more room for contact without writing the car off. Thoroughly pleased F1 is going back to driving rather than the scalextric game it was going towards. __________________ This week i ave been mostly: Staying up at unearthly hours creating comic sketches and shirt animations for uni

07-05-2004, 06:57 PM	#9
Mystical Parrot Slept with a Nazi Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brighton or Leicester Posts: 2,289	i like f1, its a good way to waste a sunday afternoon, hopefully the changes will make it fairer, the changes last season made it pretty close to at the end but to be honest if the last set didnt stop him maybe new ones wont also. still the changes would be nice and a welcome addition to last seasons changes. 1 lap qualifier is great __________________

07-05-2004, 07:00 PM	#10
i-am-the-eggman mini-pie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 145	maybe they should make schumacher drive around in a vauxhall nova, that might make him a bit less competitive __________________ This week i ave been mostly: Staying up at unearthly hours creating comic sketches and shirt animations for uni

10-05-2004, 12:57 PM	#11
astral Designed for life Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northampton Posts: 821	Sorry for the bump, but I've only just spotted this thread... I'm a huge F1 fan, and I hate the idea of these new rules. Don't forget that the reason F1 is so screwed up at the moment is because of the safety measures that Max Mosely put in place after Senna's death in 1994. Mosely is the one responsible for F1's current mess. All he has to do is reverse the rules by five or six years to take the sport back to greatness - remember the Schumacher v Hakkinen battles of 1998 and 1999? Those were the days... reminisces But no, instead of reversing the current rules that make F1 artificially competitive, he's introducing more artificial rules that try and cancel each other out. I hate it. They're trying to reduce costs and "level the playing field". THIS IS FORMULA ONE, not bloody karting!! It's csupposed to be cutting-edge technology, it's supposed to be expensive! By reducing the cost of things will not mean the teams spend less, because they'll always spend every penny they have trying to make the cars faster. The only way to curb costs is to introduce a limit on the team's budgets, but of course the FIA never listen to the fans. </rant> __________________ :[

10-05-2004, 01:02 PM	#12
jonffm SHUT UP, WESLEY! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Poole Posts: 4,905 gXboxLive Leaderboard: 249^th	I think it'll make it more intresting to watch, and put the pressure on the driver rather than the car. At the moment, whoever is driving the ferrari is nearly sure to win. Its the reason I don't watch F1 anymore. I'll see what its like when the rules are changed though... __________________ Click me for Torres' Top 20 'Pool Goals. STTRRIKKEERR!

10-05-2004, 01:42 PM	#14
SWE Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,099	I think it's a good idea. My dad will probably love it. He likes F1.

10-05-2004, 02:04 PM	#15
Mystical Parrot Slept with a Nazi Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brighton or Leicester Posts: 2,289	1 car idea is bad for f1, it would totally ruin the sport as the whole idea is you support a manufacturer, if all the cars were made the same it would just become another racing thingy (i dunno what to call it) that few people will watch ive only been watching f1 for the past 2/3 years, so i cant comment on what it was like before the changes but still micheal schumacher is a great driver who can drive well without a car working to its peak, just like he did on sunday with the broken exaust __________________